[00:00:22] k [00:00:41] You panic to soon mate šŸ˜‰ [00:06:11] [1/2] im screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewd [00:06:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211464190041137252/79xZzf1.png?ex=65ee4af2&is=65dbd5f2&hm=1000efcf57a63c0cb660f26573cdf4aee1db7011a7c1f0eca75f7b082910b7ff& [00:06:43] hmm? [00:06:56] That's copyright for you [00:07:07] You can't just download images and use them [00:07:39] [1/2] For example, I am writing pages on these buildings: [00:07:39] [2/2] https://www.stenhaug.one/rikets-saler.html#S-Norge_A-O [00:08:35] [1/3] At the bottom, it says: [00:08:35] [2/3] Photographer: Jan Vidar Stenhaug - Kilde: www.stenhaug.one - cc-by-sa-4.0 - 2024 [00:08:36] [3/3] So I have to place that same line on each image I upload [00:09:52] [1/4] Now I do that a bit more fancy with templates, etc. [00:09:52] [2/4] But basically that is all you need to do. [00:09:52] [3/4] Find the license, and copy that over to your own files. [00:09:52] [4/4] If it says (c) 2024, then it's prohibited [00:10:22] If there aren't any licenses to be found, the rule of thumb is: It is prohibited to use anything from that website [00:11:00] Does Roblox have copyright over the content its creators makes? [00:11:05] Yes [00:11:11] :SKULL_SKELETON: [00:11:12] what [00:11:38] unless you can prove you made it before you uploaded it to Roblox [00:11:44] This is why I hate boblox [00:11:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1203744081482747944.webp?size=48&name=silly&quality=lossless [00:11:56] i feel like giving up my wiki [00:11:58] because of this [00:12:03] You can hate most websites then [00:13:08] That's why I mostly use images from Commons. I then dont have any hussle [00:13:38] Only these buildings I am uploading locally. The rest is commons on my wiki [00:14:23] It's a problem most people face when suddenly their images are deleted from instagram, or video's are removed from Youtube, etc [00:15:42] <.labster> That sounds a bit like an unconscionable contract, with the mere act of uploading getting ownership of IP in exchange for no consideration, monetary or otherwise. [00:16:36] <.labster> Like, I'm not a lawyer but that does sound illegal in the USA. [00:16:50] No, it is the same in the US. [00:17:08] <.labster> Just because a company offers a contract doesn't make it legal [00:17:11] Only, Fair use is limited to an explanatory function [00:17:18] This is Robloxā€™s MO [00:17:35] It's the same with Disney [00:17:58] They take 30% of any transactions on their site [00:18:10] It's even valid for the statue of the little mermaid in Denmark. You can't upload it as it is copyright protected [00:18:13] And their Dev exchange program is a jokr [00:20:45] [1/3] I had to learn it the hard way in the early 2010's when I uploaded a beautiful painting on a Wall in HelsingĆør. [00:20:45] [2/3] As it is on the street I thought it to be public, but no. It is an artistic expression, protected by copyright. [00:20:46] [3/3] Even a Tag on the wall can be protected by copyright here. [00:21:12] (Denmark has very strict laws) [00:21:26] It differs from country t country [00:21:29] <.labster> Just take a photo of the little Little Mermaid statue in Solvang, California, that's copyright free [00:22:32] Don't think so, as the artist who made it can have copyright on it, such as that you aren't allowed to put it on a cup, and sell those by 100's [00:23:06] <.labster> Copyright law is national law. An event that happens entirely inside the United States cannot trigger Danish law. [00:23:08] You can use it on a wiki page, but not use it commercially [00:23:23] I know that [00:23:41] But US has also copyright laws [00:23:53] Just take a look on commons [00:25:45] [1/2] Which ones do I tick? [00:25:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211469113113714708/IMG_7010.png?ex=65ee4f88&is=65dbda88&hm=05027ae45d6af90c029c27a700ab7510b1dcc922c8a6912ce3c5e97548c2cee4& [00:26:45] Include templates [00:27:01] All three [00:27:16] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory [00:27:55] Thanks [00:30:15] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Consolidated_list_Northern_America#United_States_of_America [00:30:50] My eyes water looking at this link [00:32:04] Btw @rodejong I canā€™t find the CC-BY-NC-SA template on Wikipedia [00:32:10] Whatā€™s up with that? [00:34:05] Ohw... likely because I use upper case instead of lower case. Sorry [00:34:40] wdym? [00:35:10] [1/2] It actually is forbidden to upload it to commons: [00:35:10] [2/2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Consolidated_list_Northern_America#Artworks_and_sculptures [00:35:45] i use CC-BY-SA but Wikipedia uses Cc-by-sa [00:36:35] wait so I need to re write the licenses page? [00:36:43] Like what do I need to do šŸ˜­ [00:38:00] [1/2] yeah I'm sorry. the license templates need to be lowercase to match Wikipedia's [00:38:00] [2/2] Or you need to copy the ones you want manually [00:38:18] I hadn't thought of it. [00:38:29] I copied them manually over [00:38:50] Iā€™ll copy them manually. [00:39:21] ok [00:39:30] Again, so sorry [00:39:45] [1/2] i have perm [00:39:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211472639038857287/3XGmiR1.png?ex=65ee52d1&is=65dbddd1&hm=818ed92624f78307f65646879a7769acc148e3b55548dc88effb537e126c077f& [00:42:22] Lucky you. [00:44:34] :Partyheze: [00:47:39] I copied over CC-BY-SA-4.0 and now it gives me red links on its page. [00:48:28] link? [00:49:07] https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Template:CC-BY-SA-4.0 [00:59:03] [1/9] Yeah, you have to include the templates: [00:59:03] [2/9] documentation [00:59:03] [3/9] imbox [00:59:04] [4/9] image other [00:59:04] [5/9] center [00:59:04] [6/9] error-small [00:59:05] [7/9] free media [00:59:05] [8/9] Module: [00:59:05] [9/9] yesno [00:59:33] I can't use the source editor šŸ˜¢ [00:59:46] I'm lost without it šŸ˜„ [01:14:04] :agony: [01:25:12] I'll help you out [01:47:58] [1/2] how do i center text [01:47:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211489803829383229/9D3qW0g.png?ex=65ee62cd&is=65dbedcd&hm=d7a1e311b97962be09b45fa076d2948b232a18c6fcdae8fff15963180859b90f& [01:48:02] i made the template for it [01:48:11] [1/2] yet it doesnt work [01:48:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211489861177974854/yw73CmK.png?ex=65ee62db&is=65dbeddb&hm=60e809ad6f630faf0e12ff9e3955717b65f74683439266707a1faf82a06d109e& [01:48:30] I think
may work? If not a css div [01:48:50] the latter Iā€™d need to lookup the style names [01:49:23] i thought it stopped being supported? [01:49:42] Did it? It may be and I didnā€™t hear [01:49:51] :huhh: [01:50:20] idk, i heard it a while ago [01:50:38] [1/2] doesnt support headings [01:50:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211490478348963870/0ooYHT5.png?ex=65ee636e&is=65dbee6e&hm=2a1103683479574cadf810c2e8a2db46df92c2b622d554d73066b6fb17ebe714& [01:51:01] Drat [01:51:03] It's supported but deprecated [01:51:06] Makes sense [01:51:10] yea, that [01:51:13] Browsers might stop supporting it some day though [01:51:15] Divs it is :/ [01:51:20] that was what i [01:51:40]
text here/div I think. Or centre, however you spell it lol [01:51:54] center I think [01:52:00] Should work [01:52:07] I forgot that text- part lol [01:52:15] i did that [01:52:16] CSS is um, not my area of expertise [01:52:44] it broke when i putted it [01:52:47] wow [04:28:51] Any rules particular to Discord you would add? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_Conduct_Policy_and_Global_Bans#Proposal_6.0:_Support_Platform_Conduct_Policy [04:31:42] None but regarding the VCP, I'd consider strict guidelines for how to handle with irresponsible volunteers [04:32:07] It's a policy but there's no statement of what'll be done if a volunteer fails to meet said standards [04:33:08] Actually, re Discord: Admins have operational authority. If none are present, Moderators do. [04:33:57] What if both are [04:34:46] If neither, are the people expected to cooperate nonviolently in anarchy? šŸ˜ [04:37:02] No heh, it's just explicitly stated for the IRC ops, so I assume it's probably good to do for Discord as well [04:38:15] [1/3] That was great! [04:38:15] [2/3] Volunteer Conduct Policy! [04:38:15] [3/3] Didn't even know it existed. šŸ˜„ [04:38:50] But I see I do not have to change myself. I'm already up o standard I see [04:42:38] [1/3] Oh dear!! [04:42:38] [2/3] It's 5:42 am!! [04:42:38] [3/3] Again an all nighter! [04:42:55] _goes to bed!!_ [04:42:56] <.labster> What do you mean, night just started here [04:43:18] Well, here morning is starting šŸ˜„ [04:43:41] just about 8:45pm here [04:43:43] Sunday night [04:44:02] šŸ’¤ [04:44:09] šŸ›Œ [04:44:34] <.labster> @serverlessharej Do we have a reason for the separate policy? Can't global conduct policy just be global? [04:45:08] Global conduct is indeed global. These are for the very specific bits that are not globally relevant [04:45:56] <.labster> I mean, it makes some sense to not have to amend the global conduct policy if we open a Mastadon or whatever. [04:46:33] <.labster> But it also feels like a one-document kind of thing. [04:47:03] We have a Mastadon IIRC [04:47:22] <.labster> Account, not server, right? [04:47:31] <.labster> Right, Anakin? [04:47:43] I'm not sure lol [04:48:05] I don't quite understand how Mastadon even works as I've never used it myself. [04:48:40] Neither have I [04:48:45] But was also curious [04:48:48] <.labster> I assume we should just hang out on wikis.world and twoot there [04:50:33] <.labster> I do think we should say something discord-specific, but I'm not sure what. [04:50:53] are we giving Stewards any authority here? [04:50:55] or SRE? [04:51:16] <.labster> no lol [04:51:20] I feel like there's a scenario in which SRE/Stewards/Board/T&S are given limited authority when no one else in present [04:51:26] but up to you guys and your interpretation [04:52:14] I would oppose that lol there is a reason it was made seperate and it has worked better ever since. We have enough moderation that it is unlikely no one else would ever not be present. [04:52:28] <.labster> Unlike Meta which really isn't a different community, this is a slightly different community and way of moderating than the wiki [04:52:50] <.labster> I do think that global bans on the wiki should be enforced here, unless it's against Raidarr of course. [04:56:58] @Labs [04:57:21] @.labster .... I saw the raidarr comment of course šŸ˜ [04:57:26] but we'll pretend that doesn't exist [04:58:09] <.labster> not sure what you're talking about :1984: [04:58:18] || IRC chat logs || [05:02:20] šŸ˜‰ [05:03:44] <.labster> In general I think that global bans should propagate here, unless it's a circumstance where it's unlikely or impossible to repeat the conduct here on Discord. I don't want to shut of lines of communication with people, unless they really do deserve it. [05:04:22] <.labster> Like, it always sucks when someone at work gets fired, and you just literally can't talk to them any more on Slack, and where did they go? [05:05:37] I agree [05:06:47] <.labster> Technology can be a huge agent of instant alienation, and I'd like us to avoid that where we can. [05:10:07] If we could find some way to articulate whatā€™s in there as general principles then we can do away with the separate policy. I guess what I want to avoid is a one document approach turning into ā€œhereā€™s the main policy and a bunch of niche side carsā€ [05:25:54] I know this is more of a discord question than a wiki specific question, but I keep joining threads on accident and donā€™t know how to leave/stop getting notified šŸ˜“ is there an option for that? [05:26:59] there's unfollow button [05:27:18] under like thread's headee [05:31:35] I just got my wiki accepted, are there any tutorials or essays I should check out aside from the policies? [05:35:32] [1/3] Just asks question away! But: [05:35:33] [2/3] For infoboxes, read this [[Infoboxes]] [05:35:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes [05:35:33] [3/3] For how to use WikiSEO, see this [[User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking]] [05:35:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking [05:35:33] [1/2] [05:35:34] [2/2] [05:36:28] And to configure your wiki, we use [[ManageWiki]]. [05:36:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki [05:36:30] [05:52:45] Ohhh I don't think that shows on mobile :Thonk: but at least I can unfollow it on desktop lol [06:07:01] How do I use modules? [06:08:02] Do they act the same as templates with the way you add them? Or is there anything special needed [06:08:31] Lua Module usually require knowledges on Lua language, and to call it you will have to invoke it [06:09:48] So unless you wants something that is way more advanced, I may not going to try and understand these craps [06:10:53] Iā€™m trying to get the dependencies done for the mbox template [06:15:38] mbox is needlessly complicated for smaller wikis [06:17:55] [1/4] you can make every template that uses is to go w/ just a div or table [06:17:55] [2/4] these examples are like that (although visual/styling part is fancy) [06:17:55] [3/4] [06:17:56] [4/4] [06:46:44] Hmm is there anything specific I should know before making a template on devwiki? I might make a very simple mbox alternative with wikitext only with an icon too, so smaller wikis could use that [06:48:26] There's not as many templates there as I thought there would :ThinkerMH: [07:14:16] [1/2] This category automatically appeared on my page and it doesn't show in edit source, is there a way to remove it from the page? [07:14:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211571922211438592/image.png?ex=65eeaf48&is=65dc3a48&hm=5d4d1b20d48280765609735053df30395e95045d5140e9a5757f8c9a22d373e2& [07:19:19] there is not but you can make it hidden, so users won't see unless they enabled preference [07:23:36] Yup, [[mw:Help:Categories:Hidden_categories]] [07:23:36] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories:Hidden_categories [07:23:37] [07:24:03] Yup, [[mw:Help:Categories/Hidden_categories]] [07:24:03] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories/Hidden_categories [07:24:04] [07:24:41] Yup, [[mw:Help:Categories#Hidden_categories]] [07:24:41] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories#Hidden_categories [07:24:42] [07:26:58] so it just simply as to put a magicword in the cat page and it's now hidden lol [07:30:04] Yup [07:30:54] [1/2] it doesn't seem to work though [07:30:54] [2/2] i tried the hidden cat one and check it from another device as guest but it's still there šŸ¤” [07:31:22] Have you tried purging the page you're checking on? [07:32:47] yes, few times already [07:37:00] <.labster> Can you give a link to that page? [07:37:06] update: just checked on my phone too and it did in fact disappear but on pc it's still there [07:37:25] [1/2] https://nikkevn.miraheze.org [07:37:25] [2/2] here you go [07:37:30] <.labster> That could be a page cache then [07:38:23] at first i thought it was just chrome being buggy but edge and firefox also have it too [07:38:41] <.labster> that's weird. I see it too. [07:39:28] <.labster> And you added `HIDDENCAT` to the page [07:40:27] <.labster> try creating the category, maybe that will refresh the page? [07:42:41] tried it + repurging main page but nothing changed [07:43:52] Shouldn't `HIDDENCAT` be on the category page? [07:44:42] <.labster> Yes. [07:44:48] ooooh i see [07:44:56] <.labster> ooooh I see also [07:45:02] i thought you just put it in whatever page you need [07:45:08] <.labster> I knew this, I'm just stupid tonight [07:45:40] welp thanks everyone :googlythumb: [07:47:03] Heheh just woke up so had to double check too [08:10:01] countryman yo [08:15:08] bump [08:15:36] <.labster> That seems like a good idea to me [08:16:10] Tbh, not really anything specific, just don't do anything stupid ig [08:16:12] <.labster> I recently copied the other mbox template because I think we were using ambox, which was overkill. [08:21:20] [1/2] Labster, you might need to check the wiki brought up in recent closure appeal [08:21:20] [2/2] it has links to some questionable ones (supposedly already deleted) wikis [08:21:50] I haven't dug around it tho [08:30:45] wait my bad, you aren't steward [08:30:48] sorry [09:19:00] [1/2] So it may be a bit basic, but would those with more experience creating wikis be able to give me an idea of if this is a sufficient front page? I'm not exactly great at coding so I did keep the basic template. I'm planning to put a gallery of gameplay images below the overview as well, I just haven't gotten to uploading them quite yet. [09:19:00] [2/2] https://anemoiapolis.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [09:23:46] tank his gs request and re-nominate him for steward [09:32:54] [1/2] it's alright but the image sizing might be a problem [09:32:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211606808884547585/IMG_20240226_123241.jpg?ex=65eecfc5&is=65dc5ac5&hm=2b5a6a4c8b8d60fa9cf7f926bd7c616c10d00dddbf27445f4231f419117603ee& [09:36:42] 900px might be too big [09:37:13] percentage value is more preferable but not sure how to implement that w/o bringing css hacks [09:52:07] 900px will kill at smaller screen sizes [09:52:32] I think a bit of css trickery would be the way to go, and for the main page it's probably warranted [09:55:18] Gotcha, Iā€™ll shrink it. I sized it to my own monitor and didnā€™t really register that it wouldnā€™t scale [09:55:33] Sadly I know approximately 1 CSS command [09:58:46] If there is something I could add to make the image scale that would be great [11:06:30] [1/7] Paste this into [your global CSS](https://anemoiapolis.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css): [11:06:31] [2/7] ```css [11:06:31] [3/7] img { [11:06:31] [4/7] max-width: 100%; [11:06:32] [5/7] height: auto; [11:06:32] [6/7] } [11:06:32] [7/7] ``` [11:07:03] it will keep images from overflowing [11:10:35] Oh fantastic, thank you [11:10:42] keep in mind it can take a moment to kick in [11:12:24] Iā€™ll have to get to it tomorrow either way since itā€™s pretty late so Iā€™ll put a note in my pad to do this then, I appreciate it :thumbsup: [11:49:40] [1/2] "Listen, you American bum, delete the wiki and then be fine. I'm not in the mood for your American shit. So delete the wiki [11:49:41] [2/2] and fuck off, fuck, Americans! And if I feel like it, I'll take you to court too! Damn pack!" [11:49:52] so, um... [11:49:54] yeah [11:51:01] Ye that's enough for a lock [12:13:07] how do i request the un-deletion of 2 wikis from inactivity? [12:16:00] Leave a request at [[Steward requests]] [12:16:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests [12:16:01] [12:25:08] "No, I will file a criminal complaint. I will also file a criminal complaint and claims for damages against the provider. That will go through the European Court of Justice." [12:25:12] Ooh scary [12:25:48] lol [12:26:15] at least that isn't worse than the Baby Shark themed skin for El Primo in Brawl Stars- [12:27:45] lmao [12:29:11] if I was getting $1000 for every ridiculous legal threat Miraheze is getting I would have at least $3000 [12:31:04] Here is a picture of the guy behind this [12:31:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211651652306599946/150px-Andreasalexanderulrich_2.png?ex=65eef989&is=65dc8489&hm=ea469c0c222afc0fc8959d29516488c079ae8ba4deab45ffd5177eea17bb37db& [12:31:10] LMAO [12:47:12] @alpad_ Request a global lock for them, now that their comments harassing you are cross-wiki. [13:23:37] Can a global rollbacker/steward/sysop look at this? https://polandballwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/GroyperGroypist [13:31:25] #cvt [13:31:51] Already filed a report there [13:32:04] looks banable to me- [13:32:33] lockable [13:32:45] Its a sock of MARIOPLAYER1985 [13:35:50] [1/2] oh and btw- [13:35:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211667945319694357/a.png?ex=65ef08b5&is=65dc93b5&hm=5ded58c7901c64388887337f09a18b8ae3ea3f33e13afca37036323456d31d80& [13:36:08] omg the text :skull_c: [13:56:34] Just do. If something is needed, [[dev:User:Pppery]] can help you. Or he will tell you soon enough šŸ˜‰ [13:56:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:User:Pppery [13:56:34] [14:15:30] @xenareee You're always welcome to contribute more on dev. We need knowledgeable people šŸ˜‰ [14:32:51] [1/2] Why can't I make a grid? [14:32:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211682296806121502/image.png?ex=65ef1613&is=65dca113&hm=211eff313ca9c632d5215af3c7be5aabc306f55dca815cf0d5418bd39f1f1d58& [14:45:48] Does anyone know any infoboxes for OSTs? [14:53:44] eh... Not really, But I can look around for you [14:57:35] [1/3] There is [[w:Template:Infobox song]] [14:57:35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_song [14:57:35] [2/3] But it requires a bunch of templates, modules, styles and dependencies. [14:57:35] [3/3] If that is something you want, I can look for simpler versions for you [14:57:35] [14:58:14] If you could look for simpler versions, I would be grateful. [15:03:16] [1/2] You need Template:Infobox first: [15:03:17] [2/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:SimpleInfobox [15:03:33] Name it Template:Infobox on your own Wiki [15:03:55] It's a one page template [15:04:30] alright gimme a sec [15:06:10] Done @rodejong https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Template:Infobox [15:07:28] Now what do I need to do next? [15:07:57] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_song&action=edit&oldid=425979115 [15:08:05] Take this version: [15:08:33] What do I name it? [15:09:00] The same as on WIkipedia, is easiest, as you need a few files more [15:09:36] Done, what other files are needed? [15:11:07] [1/2] Then you need to copy [15:11:07] [2/2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_song/color&action=edit [15:11:19] To the same name on your page [15:13:12] Done [15:16:14] Anything else? [15:17:12] [1/31] Copy the following in [Template:Infobox song/doc] [15:17:12] [2/31] ```==Usage== [15:17:12] [3/31] This is the template for the infobox for a song articleā€”if the song has been released as one of the [[A-side and B-side]] of a single. [15:17:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/A-side_and_B-side [15:17:12] [4/31] 
[15:17:13] 	  [5/31] {{Infobox song 
[15:17:13] 	  [6/31] | Name           = 
[15:17:13] 	  [7/31] | Type           = 
[15:17:14] 	  [8/31] | Artist         = 
[15:17:14] 	  [9/31] | alt Artist     = 
[15:17:14] 	  [10/31] | Album          = 
[15:17:15] 	  [11/31] | A-side         = 
[15:17:15] 	  [12/31] | Recorded       = 
[15:17:16] 	  [13/31] | Released       = 
[15:17:16] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Start_date 
[15:17:16] 	  [14/31] | Published      = 
[15:17:17] 	  [15/31] | Genre          = 
[15:17:17] 	  [16/31] | Language       = 
[15:17:18] 	  [17/31] | Length         = 
[15:17:18] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Duration 
[15:17:18] 	  [18/31] | Writer         = 
[15:17:19] 	  [19/31] | Composer       = 
[15:17:19] 	  [20/31] | Label          = 
[15:17:20] 	  [21/31] | Producer       = 
[15:17:20] 	  [22/31] | Tracks         = 
[15:17:21] 	  [23/31] | prev           = 
[15:17:21] 	  [24/31] | prev_no        = 
[15:17:22] 	  [25/31] | track_no       = 
[15:17:22] 	  [26/31] | next           = 
[15:17:23] 	  [27/31] | next_no        = 
[15:17:23] 	  [28/31] | Misc           = 
[15:17:24] 	  [29/31] }}
[15:17:24] 	  [30/31] /pre
[15:17:25] 	  [31/31] ```
[15:20:02] 	  It should work!
[15:21:10] 	  It now has been copied.
[15:21:30] 	  Try one
[15:21:44] 	  I just have to follow the doc right?
[15:21:54] 	  Correct
[15:22:07] 	  I'll be here
[15:25:42] 	  https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Soundtrack
[15:25:53] 	  Looks like I need two more templates
[15:25:56] 	  Start date and duration
[15:26:13] 	  Ok. hang on
[15:26:48] 	  Sure I'll wait!
[15:28:31] 	  [1/23] i have this in my common.js
[15:28:31] 	  [2/23] ```js
[15:28:31] 	  [3/23] / Tout JavaScript prƩsent ici sera exƩcutƩ par tous les utilisateurs Ơ chaque chargement de page. /
[15:28:32] 	  [4/23] ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
[15:28:32] 	  [5/23] / Ajustement de la largeur des bandeaux d'information /
[15:28:32] 	  [6/23] ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
[15:28:33] 	  [7/23] function ajusteTailleBandeau(bandeau){
[15:28:33] 	  [8/23]     let previousEl = bandeau.previousElementSibling();
[15:28:33] 	  [9/23]     if (previousEl){
[15:28:33] 	  [10/23]         let size = previousEl.offsetWidth;
[15:28:34] 	  [11/23]         bandeau.style.width = size;
[15:28:34] 	  [12/23]     }
[15:28:35] 	  [13/23] }
[15:28:35] 	  [14/23] let bandeaux = document.getElementsByClassName("bandeau-generique");
[15:28:36] 	  [15/23] if (bandeaux) {
[15:28:36] 	  [16/23]     document.addEventListener('click', (event) => {
[15:28:37] 	  [17/23]         bandeaux.forEach((el) => {
[15:28:37] 	  [18/23]             ajusteTailleBandeau(el);    
[15:28:38] 	  [19/23]         });     
[15:28:38] 	  [20/23]     });
[15:28:39] 	  [21/23] }
[15:28:39] 	  [22/23] ```
[15:28:40] 	  [23/23] however when i load a page i get ``JavaScript parse error (scripts need to be valid ECMAScript 5): Parse error: Missing ; before statement in file 'MediaWiki:Common.js' on line 6``
[15:28:40] 	  why
[15:28:53] 	  there is no such thing as a missing semicolon i reread like a thousand time
[15:32:27] 	  [1/3] late to the party but I have this
[15:32:27] 	  [2/3] 
[15:32:28] 	  [3/3] and my music themed wiki has several hardcore table infoboxes lol
[15:33:12] 	  [1/2] I'm copying this to our Development wiki at the same time:
[15:33:12] 	  [2/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Start_date
[15:33:21] 	  Now you tell me?
[15:38:40] 	  You should copy the duration one too if it isn't already there.
[15:39:00] 	  I am
[15:39:16] 	  I write all the dependencies down as well
[15:40:12] 	  I think I prefer this one. It's much simpler to use for a soundtrack.
[15:40:35] 	  https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_song/doc
[15:40:37] 	  It's also a portable infobox, so the aestethic matches too.
[15:40:57] 	  Yeah, If I had known about it šŸ˜„
[15:41:05] 	  I don't blame you
[15:41:18] 	  Lol
[15:41:42] 	  error 500 is temponaily?
[15:44:07] 	  [1/2] Uh oh @rodejong
[15:44:07] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211700229540417577/Screenshot_2024-02-26_alle_16.43.32.png?ex=65ef26c7&is=65dcb1c7&hm=9ccf331968e0a98ddd0062998d39787c4a097dd8d738b91a0a7643cbee42e931&
[15:44:38] 	  I already saw it comming šŸ˜„
[15:45:03] 	  It's copying over 1 on 1
[15:45:15] 	  From their page to your page with the same name
[15:46:37] 	  wait wdym?
[15:48:14] 	  Copy from their wiki Template:Infobox.css and place it on your wiki on Template:Infobox.css
[15:50:10] 	  i did it but it looks like a normal page https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Template:Infobox.css
[15:52:05] 	  Remember what I said in PM?
[15:52:17] 	  Find the link "Page information"
[15:52:36] 	  [1/2] upload server down again  ?
[15:52:36] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211702364436832286/image.png?ex=65ef28c4&is=65dcb3c4&hm=ccf2c5a0721dbea4e8282939145f6c591f5547313b9251744967edcc9d769513&
[15:53:01] 	  Done
[15:53:20] 	  Uhhh
[15:53:26] 	  it now looks like the pizza tower one
[15:53:28] 	  which is a good thing
[15:53:38] 	  but i didn't want to make it look like that
[15:53:45] 	  i just wanted to get rid of the red text
[15:54:05] 	  Yeah you need to change the colour of the font
[15:55:33] 	  [1/2] just the color of the font?
[15:55:33] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211703104203005972/image.png?ex=65ef2974&is=65dcb474&hm=f0d83d8512cb6cefd2c8cb346d5b2c149c2e7712af6fc9167a00c1cac55ea7f3&
[15:56:14] 	  i want it to look bland
[15:56:29] 	  Which colours
[15:56:30] 	  no colours and no styling...
[15:56:35] 	  Ok
[15:56:50] 	  but i want to get rid of the red text
[15:57:00] 	  Make "Background:Transparent"
[15:57:15] 	  ?
[15:57:30] 	  Hang on
[15:58:10] 	  Which red text?
[15:58:33] 	  this red text @rodejong
[15:59:09] 	  ah... Because they are empty pages still
[15:59:34] 	  what do you mean by that?
[16:00:23] 	  You haven't copied these files over
[16:00:52] 	  brb
[16:01:01] 	  copying them over from where?
[16:02:08] 	  https://pizzatower.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_album/style.css
[16:02:24] 	  https://pizzatower.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox.css
[16:03:51] 	  [1/3] Put them here:
[16:03:52] 	  [2/3] https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Template:Infobox_album/style.css
[16:03:52] 	  [3/3] https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Template:Infoboxcss
[16:04:04] 	  I copied this one over however I don't like the style of it
[16:04:20] 	  I just wanna get the red links off the page
[16:05:10] 	  I understand. But then you need to change the colours on Template:Infobox.css
[16:05:43] 	  Can't I just make those 2 pages but put nothing in them?
[16:05:46] 	  Wouldn't that solve the issue?
[16:06:53] 	  No, because they do more than just making colours, the also make how they appear. (left right center, height, width
[16:09:57] 	  Well, how do i remove all styling apart from the important stuff?
[16:10:27] 	  @theoneandonlylegroom I think that that is your department šŸ˜„
[16:10:49] 	  Styling is not my fortƩ
[16:11:54] 	  Or @xenareee ?
[16:22:56] 	  you didn't have to copy styles.css, just remove the tag
[16:23:06] 	  it's was for our wiki's formatting
[16:23:28] 	  One way for making it blend into the backtground, would be color pick your wiki's background color for the background of the template
[16:23:40] 	  you can modify it later into something else via Common.css, or styles.css when you'll get better
[16:24:13] 	  remove the tag?
[16:24:39] 	  [1/2] ```
[16:24:39] 	  [2/2] ```
[16:25:44] 	  [1/2] remove this and `/div` in the end
[16:25:44] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211710701501161614/IMG_20240226_192513.jpg?ex=65ef3087&is=65dcbb87&hm=9931b85a440ca5b936b49c50ad280778a9fb0ae6dfee881c8fc785203a104435&
[16:27:52] 	  Ok i just deleted that
[16:29:05] 	  [1/2] Right after you tell me how to center that infobox title, i'm gonna go learn css.
[16:29:06] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211711547030638662/image.png?ex=65ef3151&is=65dcbc51&hm=57c79a2878b670d9e221849c48a2a458924572237c3d8276bc14191d90f0f1c1&
[16:30:22] 	  [1/6] Like so:
[16:30:23] 	  [2/6] ```css
[16:30:23] 	  [3/6] .portable-infobox .pi-title {
[16:30:23] 	  [4/6]     text-align: center;
[16:30:24] 	  [5/6] }
[16:30:24] 	  [6/6] ```
[16:30:50] 	  This will center every single portable infobox title if you put it into Common.css
[16:31:03] 	  Then that's what I'll do.
[16:32:13] 	  I personally use this site https://www.w3schools.com/css/ but I've also seen people link this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Getting_started_with_the_web/CSS_basics :pupCoffeeMH:
[16:32:27] 	  For learning
[16:32:43] 	  And the most valuable tool of all is your browser's inspector tool
[16:32:56] 	  That's what I used to get this
[16:33:34] 	  I'll start learning with the first website.
[16:34:18] 	  i'm a fan of codecademy
[16:34:19] 	  https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-css
[16:34:36] 	  Goodluck, and if you run into any issues feel free to ask. Experimenting in the inspector will help you understand what does what
[16:35:02] 	  There's no "best" resource so pick one and go :pupCoffeeMH:
[16:35:07] 	  yeah, CSS is pretty easy to wrap your head around
[16:35:18] 	  it's just getting used to all the different options
[16:36:04] 	  i need to figure out how to fix inspect element on my wiki... or my browser... or my computer...
[16:36:27] 	  Oh it's not working for you?
[16:36:35] 	  it's funky
[16:37:04] 	  [1/2] this video kinda shows it
[16:37:04] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211713552608661584/opera_JGYEQBbG6f.mp4?ex=65ef332f&is=65dcbe2f&hm=02c801025ed831376fb3c9824c2e8af1d257871cf9cd12b330666bdf5b4493d3&
[16:37:10] 	  although it's worse in reality
[16:37:13] 	  Which browser? The only issue I faced in Chrome was color pickers not letting me to pick color
[16:37:27] 	  it's Opera GX :P
[16:37:36] 	  although it works fine on other websites
[16:37:47] 	  idk what's the cause of my issue in particular
[16:38:32] 	  And so I keep learning too šŸ˜„
[16:38:35] 	  @xenareee I am very happy at the mobile main page I made for my wiki
[16:39:46] 	  Oh I saw you post this before I think. Yeah I'm clueless haha, very odd
[16:40:04] 	  [1/2] here this is a better showcase
[16:40:04] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211714308833149018/opera_1MUMRyuFbd.mp4?ex=65ef33e3&is=65dcbee3&hm=99ce81de14111706ec14ffa5d4bcb412e5585e707c8d18700c013042394e03b6&
[16:40:08] 	  you can see how erratic it really is
[16:40:45] 	  notice how the page title turns red
[16:41:03] 	  which seems to be something remembered from previous inspects??? on different pages too???
[16:41:07] 	  idk it's really bizarre
[16:43:56] 	  Whoa your inspector is posessed
[16:44:19] 	  tried in incognito?
[16:44:23] 	  Maybe a bug in Opera? Could happen on your wiki because you inspected there before
[16:51:00] 	  Strange. Is tab templates hard to make?
[16:51:44] 	  like templates using tabber? kinda, they require parser function syntax instead of tags
[16:51:51] 	  Why?
[16:53:30] 	  i dunno lol
[16:53:36] 	  same goes for gallery tags actually
[16:53:42] 	  some funky mediawiki thing
[16:54:20] 	  [[mw:Extension:TabberNeue#Nested_tabbers]]
[16:54:20] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue#Nested_tabbers
[16:54:21] 	  
[16:54:59] 	  [1/2] Still getting this error
[16:54:59] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211718062370193448/image.png?ex=65ef3762&is=65dcc262&hm=c5aae3cbb117f4ebb7accc7faf7f7a168eedf4ba359fd7c8a6be6d03f20324a6&
[16:56:45] 	  Hey, could you add any details (what were you trying to do/link to the wiki)?
[16:57:13] 	  i have now, and yeah
[16:57:13] 	  no one checked up on Matomo
[16:57:34] 	  I'm trying to upload a image but then I get the error
[16:57:44] 	  https://jojowiki.com/Template:Tabber
[16:58:26] 	  What's the link to your wiki? It can be helpful for people who check the issue
[16:58:51] 	  sontails.miraheze.org
[16:59:06] 	  Thanks!
[16:59:42] 	  I was working on r place 2023
[17:01:20] 	  try now
[17:01:26] 	  I cleared Varnish logs once again
[17:01:30] 	  and restarted Matomo
[17:03:27] 	  it works
[17:06:50] 	  wait, you are accessing the shell right now?
[17:12:16] 	  thanks for making it done!
[17:13:14] 	  Oh I mentioned the 500 error in the resolved issue on Phorge. Should I delete that?
[17:13:37] 	  perhaps just note that Varnish logs were again purged and Matomo was restarted
[17:14:33] 	  504 time
[17:15:05] 	  [1/2] I will now acquaint to the new article path ig
[17:15:05] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211723119840985200/s.png?ex=65ef3c18&is=65dcc718&hm=889f4120247ea7ac2862935f114f45f37cbbe4510f9740b2e6233d321947028d&
[17:15:16] 	  trying to access 
[17:16:00] 	  Huh, loads for me correctly
[17:17:30] 	  does it have audio files?
[17:17:40] 	  keeps falling into 504 for me
[17:18:40] 	  It does yeah
[17:18:41] 	  loads for me too, did take 7.11s to get a response from the server tho
[17:18:50] 	  :ThinkerMH:
[17:19:08] 	  Didn't notice because my internet is spotty but it does load for a moment
[17:19:28] 	  just wanted to deleted some freshly uploaded images
[17:20:04] 	  then remembered I ahve problem w/ audio files, but I believe they shouldn't appear in UnusedFiles
[17:20:20] 	  well, they are there
[17:20:45] 	  they do download pretty quickly tho
[17:21:16] 	  I have resource loader script but idk what do w/ categories
[17:21:41] 	  they go 504 and I can't even edit one to disable gallery view
[17:22:14] 	  no such problem on fandom tho, but you know, they have stronger servers
[17:24:47] 	  could be a variety of problems
[17:24:57] 	  a 504 indicates PHP gave up
[17:43:30] 	  but why it fails for me and not for others?
[17:53:25] 	  ok, maybe temporarily disabling media handler will do something ...
[17:57:44] 	  ok, it didn't, but it loaded in incognito :ThinkingHardMH:
[17:57:57] 	  time to disable whatever user stuff I have
[18:24:57] 	  I think the Extension:Moderation seems like an good anti spam/vandelaism one
[18:25:12] 	  It is
[18:25:24] 	  it was for example used by AVID back when they were on MH
[18:25:36] 	  so it is also proven to work on bigger wikis
[18:37:21] 	  I know that if I hand review, I can get most if not all spam/vandelism
[18:40:20] 	  https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11908
[18:53:40] 	  [1/2] why is it that on the main page, the wiki still exists? however, when I try to visit other pages, they either have broken css or show that the wiki is deleted
[18:53:40] 	  [2/2] https://slimebit.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[18:53:54] 	  in this case, would it be cache and the wiki is truly gone?
[18:57:10] 	  It's likely Varnish that did an extra good job at caching that page though the wiki is technically deleted (or rather, hidden from public view)
[18:58:01] 	  I see, thx
[18:58:10] 	  we call wikis deleted the same way we call pages "deleted" by sysops on wikis deleted: They aren't actually deleted, just hidden
[18:59:36] 	  We should really purge on deletion
[19:00:55] 	  Are other people getting logged out very frequently recently? Maybe it's a side effect of fixes being done
[19:01:14] 	  It's likely your browser
[19:01:18] 	  a lot :pupCoffeeMH:
[19:01:20] 	  but yes, everyone's been experiencing that
[19:01:26] 	  Unfortunately,  SUL is messed up due to browsers trying to be secure
[19:01:38] 	  won't be fixed probably until WMF releases SUL3
[19:01:45] 	  which is soonā„¢ļø
[19:02:01] 	  you missing some TMs on that message
[19:02:04] 	  even potential CA fork won't fix it
[19:02:14] 	  Soon by a WMF standard
[19:02:22] 	  Yes but whose gonna write that
[19:02:40] 	  ye that's why potrntial
[19:02:44] 	  I have plans to, but it is just a thought experiment for now
[19:02:56] 	  A fork would still need to address browser cookie restrictions
[19:02:57] 	  SUL3 will be out by the time I seriously consider that
[19:03:20] 	  I seriously doubt us replacing CentralAuth will come before SUL
[19:03:31] 	  Maybe even SUL4
[19:03:56] 	  or SUL5, while we're at it
[19:04:18] 	  Well when making extensions we do just put v5 on the end
[19:04:23] 	  For new versions
[19:04:40] 	  _wonders who can name the extension that misses V2-4_
[19:09:00] 	  I really dont think this is a centralauth issue because ive not experienced this on any platform using CA except Miraheze
[19:10:38] 	  It does affect WMF
[19:10:43] 	  I've seen issues on Wikimedia
[19:10:48] 	  Not as bad but they exist
[19:23:41] 	  yeah, but at the same time, I honestly forgot I was not logged in šŸ˜…
[20:15:28] 	 <.labster> SUL6 when
[20:15:40] 	  SUL57
[20:16:16] 	  SULInfinite: No more accounts, everyone is an anonymous editor with temp usernames
[20:16:34] 	  would fix logout problems FOREVER
[20:16:47] 	  Wouldnā€™t that be SUL0?
[20:17:02] 	  Don't give em ideas
[20:17:11] 	  More like SULāˆž
[20:17:25] 	  Give them the [[wp:BEANS]]
[20:17:25] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wp:BEANS
[20:17:26] 	  
[20:17:54] 	 <.labster> No, SUM0 is after SULāˆž
[20:18:01] 	  Overflow
[20:18:50] 	  SULi
[20:22:32] 	  Sul-9223372036854775808
[20:29:24] 	  It could be like 4chan where everyone is just named Anonymoud
[20:29:34] 	  Hi Anon
[20:29:42] 	  Hey there Anon how you doing
[20:29:47] 	  Not much Anon how about you
[20:30:38] 	  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211772332046291004/BCCt09D.mp4?ex=65ef69ed&is=65dcf4ed&hm=6d2a57a3782470b0f7e7b30f032759266a7621bd541b425fd295291af9c1cc3a&
[20:31:10] 	  very wholesome video šŸ˜Š
[20:31:26] 	  [1/3] I heard Anon was working on a new wiki.
[20:31:26] 	  [2/3] No Iā€™m not?
[20:31:26] 	  [3/3] No not you Anon I meant Anon.
[20:31:34] 	  not sure how to feel about that
[20:31:42] 	  Lmao
[20:31:55] 	  Reversing videos backwards always looks weird
[20:31:58] 	  Well that was horrifying
[20:49:15] 	  [1/2] Why can't I make a grid?
[20:49:16] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211777020724514846/Skarmbild_2024-02-26_153240.png?ex=65ef6e4b&is=65dcf94b&hm=ee05e6dc865c57e234319640dfeb9840a750a57d509645043561e0a9463660d2&
[20:51:10] 	  I'm not sure what are you trying to achieve
[20:52:34] 	  Make a grid layout on the main page
[20:53:22] 	  The page looks like this now https://geografenstestamente.miraheze.org/wiki/Geografens_testamente_Wikia
[20:53:43] 	  As you can see it doesn't work
[20:54:04] 	  Hej nabo. Hilsen fra Danmark šŸ˜„
[20:54:52] 	  [1/2] i can't enable this extension...
[20:54:53] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211778433609240626/dQjJjlF.png?ex=65ef6f9c&is=65dcfa9c&hm=7eb0270f3313725f853a0616c7bc852934cd33e1920625d71b0881abef11e1f4&
[20:54:55] 	  any reason why?
[20:55:20] 	  You need to ask stewards
[20:55:23] 	  Itā€™s a heavy extension
[20:55:40] 	  https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1203229472510320721
[20:55:42] 	  heavy extension? wdym?
[20:56:15] 	  are content pages just articles?
[20:56:30] 	  Yeah
[20:56:35] 	  Main space s
[20:56:46] 	  means my wiki is definitely not eligible
[20:56:53] 	  it can put some strain on Miraheze and is only for really big wikis, because they actually need it
[20:57:08] 	  yeah makes sense
[20:57:17] 	  at testing stage too, added recently
[21:11:08] 	  can i set an event listener on the common.js file
[21:11:13] 	  'cause it don't seems to work
[21:11:41] 	  [1/2] is this a heavy extension too?
[21:11:42] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211782665204801556/42OKekg.png?ex=65ef738d&is=65dcfe8d&hm=45aada2300b060b416897544aa86ab41989b6b90c269dcae8d6ba61fecb74d94&
[21:12:21] 	  Seems so. If itā€™s ManageWiki restrictive you need stewards to enabler
[21:16:44] 	  That is specific for extracting data from sites like Wikidata who have a database
[21:18:50] 	  I think only those who have a wiki that rely on constant updates from databases would get that extension enabled. But so far it is not even activated I think, as it requires access from certain pages, which Miraheze has to get permission from I believe.
[21:19:08] 	  And yes, it is heavy
[21:19:43] 	  Where is LocalSettings.php? If I go to MediaWiki:LocalSettings.php, it just says "File not found"
[21:19:55] 	  Itā€™s a file
[21:20:05] 	  Not a page
[21:20:16] 	  You canā€™t directly edit without server access
[21:20:44] 	  Chances are the setting is already in ManageWiki
[21:20:50] 	  So you can change it there
[21:20:57] 	  Okay, will try
[21:21:02] 	  Yeah ManageWiki is really powerful
[21:21:15] 	 It's flexible not powerful
[21:21:21] 	  Yeah
[21:21:26] 	 It's only as powerful as we make it because you ask for config
[21:21:31] 	  If the setting isnā€™t in MW we can add it
[21:22:36] 	  [1/2] It's from the TocTree extension
[21:22:37] 	  [2/2] $wgDefaultUserOptions['toc-expand'] = false;
[21:23:06] 	  Search for it
[21:23:19] 	  If its not there we can see about it
[21:24:10] 	  It isn't there
[21:24:19] 	 DefaultUserOptions probably isn't there
[21:24:26] 	 That's a tad more complex for ManageWiki
[21:24:34] 	 Easy to add with a task though
[21:25:13] 	  Yeah
[21:26:21] 	  [1/2] Okay
[21:26:21] 	  [2/2] How would I do that?
[21:41:01] 	  Y'all need to post more on the Mastodon account
[21:47:26] 	  I requested a wiki. can you do one thing when I make it?
[21:48:50] 	  Another question from the problem child AoC wiki: This (https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Replacements_for_the_Widgets_extension) works for Discord, how do I make it work for other things?
[21:50:48] 	  Define other things
[21:53:10] 	  itch.io, Steam, Twitter, potentially a game company's website
[21:54:01] 	  Discord provides its own support for widgets to integrate with
[21:54:08] 	  It depends on if those guys support them
[22:06:58] 	  alright. its requested.
[22:09:16] 	  Wdym
[22:11:02] 	  Just don't delete it.
[22:11:19] 	  What
[22:11:50] 	  Only Stewards can delete a wiki, which they will only do if it violates the [[Content Policy]]
[22:11:50] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy
[22:11:51] 	  
[22:13:55] 	  Wdym?
[22:14:52] 	  sorry, but, is allowed to move a wiki with a page like this http://humoristica.vphs.top/wiki/Category:Sex to Miraheze
[22:15:29] 	  Gah my eyes
[22:15:40] 	  Monobook?!?!?
[22:16:00] 	  Mm, in the best case itā€™s taunting the CP
[22:16:18] 	  I dont know the context of the wiki and donā€™t care much
[22:16:26] 	  But it very well May be a content pol vio
[22:16:35] 	  I ainā€™t a stewards or WC though
[22:18:37] 	  Is a wiki owned by Snowballasmedia (who maintain the humorous spanish wiki: Snowballaspedia) and is made for articles with internet memes (so is a ED but without pedos and horrible stuff)
[22:19:05] 	  strange website
[22:19:28] 	  very
[22:19:37] 	  sorry
[22:19:52] 	  anyway it seems fine if the wiki has proper notices
[22:20:52] 	  im going to do that when the wiki gets moved to here. Because the free hosting (I'm don't have the money to pay paid hosting) is slow
[22:21:43] 	  If the content is pervasive follow "Additional rules for wikis considered 'not safe for work'" in the cp straight, if it's a one-off I'd either warn that the content may appear or avoid that one explicit image appearing straight up if the wiki isn't clearly that sort of thing
[22:23:25] 	  you are referring to ||Child Porn|| with CP or Content Policy?
[22:23:32] 	  always the latter
[22:24:06] 	  and is kinda a https://daemonica.org rip off
[22:24:21] 	  per agent
[22:24:43] 	  If itā€™s the former shit has really hit the fan
[22:24:45] 	  I've always wondered when someone was going to do that, it's a bit of an unfortunate acronym
[22:24:58] 	  same ere
[22:24:58] 	  if it's the former it's time to report the site to the fbi and scrub all history
[22:25:36] 	  thatā€™s why the CSAM acronym exist
[22:25:47] 	  Do I even want to know
[22:25:58] 	  Would reporting the content of that site to the UK police help?
[22:26:06] 	  US now
[22:26:25] 	  CoPo?
[22:26:57] 	  If itā€™s deals with CP^2 fuck it all, summon the fbi burn the thing to less then ash and salt the cursed earth from which is grew
[22:27:32] 	  I have heard rumors of such stuff going around the net, inculding AI made uh CSAM on an well known art site
[22:27:39] 	  [1/2] because this
[22:27:39] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1211801779998560286/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-02-26_a_las_4.22.03_p.m..png?ex=65ef855a&is=65dd105a&hm=bce28e2d6a41a92e12e09ddcbac5d776f27e23ce78dede19e4d7aa908cae51da&
[22:27:53] 	  I imagine 4chan
[22:27:57] 	  And what is that
[22:28:27] 	  I have AI stuff turned off on the [well known art site known for NSFW stuff]
[22:28:30] 	  Uh huh okay moving on!
[22:28:45] 	  this was purely a hypothetical situation but to top off the subject, a report must be made in the jurisdiction a site is hosted
[22:28:47] 	  Either way, I am pretty confused at
[22:29:00] 	  There was a news that a psicologist recorded young pacients and used AI to make it sexual, so was making AI CSAM
[22:29:14] 	  not a topic that ought to be front line in this channel
[22:29:25] 	  Whatā€™s happening here?
[22:29:31] 	  Meh, I am more confused at this: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1211801780225310761
[22:29:32] 	  @theburningfirethatscorchessouls That link is not allowed.
[22:29:51] 	  Yeaaaaah
[22:29:56] 	  I am more confused at that "invaiuld reply from  server" screen shot
[22:30:00] 	  "Time to check in on my favourite wiki help serve-"
[22:30:04] 	  End of conversation.
[22:30:26] 	  What even makes a server make such a reply ("invailed respose from server")
[22:30:29] 	  Letā€™s talk about that invalid reply from server issue
[22:30:43] 	  Servers are picky littles bitches
[22:30:55] 	  yes for all the people that is using discord with her mom in his shoulder
[22:31:04] 	  Just look at [[phorge:]]
[22:31:04] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge:
[22:31:08] 	  I have managed to white screen mediawiki, I have managed to make it show an  load of error text, but never managed that
[22:31:11] 	  
[22:31:22] 	  we actually had invalid response/similar when old mira servers were pooping out or when we had a particular issue with... I think it was parser functions, related to structureddiscussions and similar
[22:31:23] 	  You took your time
[22:31:24] 	  https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629
[22:31:26] 	  Ditto
[22:31:45] 	  Is eepy
[22:32:00] 	  [1/2] because is free and has unlimited space, but is capped by the inodes
[22:32:01] 	  [2/2] https://pony.icu
[22:32:10] 	  Wonder if it was Parser Funchens
[22:32:56] 	  I once hosted MediaWiki on Windows, after 3 days it white screened I think with  no changes
[22:33:23] 	  Thatā€™s why you never self-host MediaWiki.
[22:33:25] 	  Never.
[22:33:42] 	  I have had a Linux one running for over a year on a  RamNode box
[22:33:54] 	  the interwiki is for miraheze phorge, the site is self-hosted
[22:34:35] 	  except if you have some good web hosting like... idk ĀæHostinger?
[22:34:37] 	  Free seems to most of the time have a catch
[22:35:02] 	  Miraheze doesnā€™t have a catch
[22:35:33] 	  My RamNode box is a $6 a month VPS. Worth it I guess for not having to follow Miraheze's rules and have full self control
[22:35:42] 	  Mine probably had to do with randomly trying to get composer to install in the wrong directory
[22:35:50] 	  Or the chown -R
[22:35:51] 	  How did you manage that?
[22:35:58] 	  [1/2] if Mira had catches:
[22:35:59] 	  [2/2] Free unlimited all, but is capped at 3000 inodes and MW can use all of that
[22:36:04] 	  I reiterate. Never make me SRE
[22:36:21] 	  Trying to install [[mw:Extension:OAuth]] on a vem
[22:36:21] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuth
[22:36:22] 	  
[22:36:26] 	  Measuring inodes isn't something we'd be able to do
[22:36:30] 	  I consider not having full control as why I self host
[22:36:41] 	  Maybe file size or database size
[22:36:56] 	  I donā€™t even know what an inode is.
[22:37:08] 	  I tend to trim my wiki down to the latest rev each time I do large amounts of editing
[22:37:11] 	  (Same)
[22:37:13] 	  why isn't a ManageWiki like extension for self-host!!
[22:37:20] 	  It's a number that is assigned to each file
[22:37:34] 	  What
[22:37:42] 	  :Cursed_SkullEmoji:
[22:37:46] 	  I do not need ManageWiki
[22:37:54] 	  You can install managewiki on a self-hosted wiki, but it is just extemely difficult
[22:37:54] 	  the webmasters
[22:38:09] 	  hmm, who would be Miraheze webmasters?
[22:38:11] 	  it needs to have also the CreateWiki extension
[22:38:15] 	  SRE
[22:38:15] 	  no one made it
[22:38:18] 	  I only keep the lastest versons as the wiki is desigened to have pages "finished!
[22:38:29] 	  ManageWiki is nice but also a pain
[22:38:33] 	  and CreateWiki needs a rewrite
[22:38:35] 	  believe me I'm very interested in the thought of an independent wiki admin control panel
[22:38:45] 	  some parts haven't been touched since John first wrote them years ago
[22:38:49] 	  Why so?
[22:38:53] 	  that doesn't need a rewrite and is inseparable from miraheze dependency :p
[22:38:54] 	  It's okd
[22:39:02] 	  Absolutely
[22:39:11] 	  If it ainā€™t broke donā€™t fix it
[22:39:12] 	  also
[22:39:19] 	  It is broke tho
[22:39:19] 	  I would mean, such a control planel could be helpful
[22:39:21] 	  I don't think you understand MediaWiki
[22:39:27] 	  If it's old, it needs to be fixed
[22:39:30] 	  I would challege you to install it
[22:39:34] 	  Then speak
[22:39:38] 	  it works
[22:39:38] 	  šŸ’€
[22:39:40] 	  Iā€™m just joking lol
[22:39:52] 	  MediaWiki likes to change a million things per update
[22:40:02] 	  CW will sooner or later start breaking
[22:40:03] 	  My way is "chug soda, stay awake for 12 hours to fix something then stay awake all day next day"
[22:40:15] 	  I'd guess sooner, unfourunately
[22:40:20] 	  Looking at the full changelog gives me nausea
[22:40:21] 	  The MW 1.41 update exposed some interesting bugs
[22:40:23] 	  MediaWiki is just variable levels of broken that are kept together with enough spit and tape that it manages to function
[22:40:26] 	  like the cache bug
[22:40:28] 	  and fill up your inodes in self-hosted with the new 1.41
[22:40:34] 	  I tend to stay on LTS versons
[22:40:44] 	  it only gives you borrowed time
[22:40:54] 	  bit more time to absorb the impact
[22:41:00] 	  sooner or later, you'll need to update and it's always a pain to see the LTS changelog
[22:41:00] 	  I also do not use Create Wiki/Manage Wiki
[22:41:10] 	  no one does \;)
[22:41:16] 	  other than Telepedia
[22:41:29] 	  I just update LTS to LTS as they come out
[22:41:30] 	  Remind me what that is
[22:41:36] 	  even that's part of miraheze sre now
[22:41:44] 	  It's like Fandom but for TV shows only
[22:41:50] 	  and it has Qualitipedia on it for some reason
[22:41:57] 	  I do update: When the next LTS comes out
[22:41:58] 	  tp still has a bit of an identity issue tbh
[22:42:24] 	  So itā€™s full of ads?
[22:42:27] 	  what happens if a good company like mira buys Wikia?'?'?
[22:42:28] 	  this.
[22:42:31] 	  yes
[22:42:31] 	  I think so, yeah
[22:42:38] 	  it's not fandom bad but it is rather heavy on ads
[22:42:43] 	  I have ad blocker on but I remember it was heavy on ads
[22:42:47] 	  I think updating would have little effect on my wiki
[22:42:53] 	  what if the red cross was the american government... incomparable
[22:43:08] 	  I only care if it breaks one of the I think 3 add ons I use
[22:43:20] 	  it was joke
[22:43:33] 	  well it would be a nice thought
[22:43:50] 	  expect it to be acquired by a more greedy company eventually though
[22:43:53] 	  who wants a video in top of your article??????????
[22:43:55] 	  The Matrix shows its cracks and we all get a chance to leave the simulation.
[22:44:48] 	  who wants to contact for creating a Namespace???????????????
[22:44:54] 	  [1/7] I only use
[22:44:54] 	  [2/7] wfLoadExtension( 'MobileFrontend' );
[22:44:54] 	  [3/7] wfLoadExtension( 'Moderation' );
[22:44:55] 	  [4/7] On one wiki and
[22:44:55] 	  [5/7] wfLoadExtension( 'MobileFrontend' );
[22:44:55] 	  [6/7] wfLoadExtension( 'WikidataPageBanner' );
[22:44:55] 	  [7/7] On my wiki. As I do not add tons of add ons. If the next LTS breaks one of those three, there may be a problemn but those are well updated, and 2 are WMF used
[22:45:02] 	  Like who?
[22:45:03] 	  Huh
[22:45:21] 	  Whatā€™s qualitipedia?
[22:45:24] 	  oh I don't know, maybe just jump straight to microsoft
[22:45:33] 	  What do you think of my add on choices for MediaWiki?
[22:45:37] 	  per name i think is a reception wiki
[22:45:59] 	  it's a dumping ground for people to whine or simp about things they respectively don't like or like
[22:46:26] 	  with a thin basis of reception to back up the articles
[22:46:38] 	  why is it on telepedia then?
[22:46:50] 	  it got there early and it wasn't gotten rid of
[22:46:55] 	  If it has nothing to do with tv shows?
[22:46:58] 	  desperate wiki farm
[22:46:58] 	  it does have a vaguely entertainment purpose
[22:47:04] 	  after all it does have tv shows covered
[22:47:11] 	  among other entertainment which is mainly the point
[22:47:21] 	  Telepedia focuses on entertainment-related wikis in general, not just TV shows
[22:47:30] 	  What do you think of my add on choices for MediaWiki?
[22:47:57] 	  ShoutWiki can be good if it is gonna allow creating wikis at some point
[22:48:07] 	  Shoutwiki is outdated right?
[22:49:05] 	  it has the LTS version
[22:49:50] 	  1.35 I think. My own wiki uses 1.39
[22:52:30] 	  1.35 is in EOL
[22:54:23] 	  I  think so
[22:56:02] 	  Yes.
[23:08:21] 	  What kind of wiki CSS themes woudl you like to see?