Welcome to [[FurrNations]],/div [12:37:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FurrNations [12:37:49] [5/6]

the furry micronational free encyclopedia that everyone can edit./div

[[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFPAGES}}]] articles in [[w:English language|English]] [12:37:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:NUMBEROFPAGES https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language [12:37:49] [6/6] |}``` [12:38:08] The Div plainlinks is not necessary, as it is all internal links. [12:40:06] This should be correct [12:46:40] Okay, thank you for letting me know [12:47:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213105420726566942/image.png?ex=65f44376&is=65e1ce76&hm=a6d5ed74f2ea4bfbc3827a9d3ac2fd715e551d796bf38e6e6e150ada20c579d1& [12:47:55] it worked [12:48:13] Nice, enjoy your wiki 🙂 [12:48:27] I know you were pretty excited about it [12:51:16] i need to add the feature thingy and other stuff [12:54:34] there's a way? [12:55:09] I'm not aware of "Thingy" and "Other Stuff". Are those Gadgets ?? 😉 [12:55:35] I mean Featured article, the did you know... [12:55:40] and etc [12:56:10] these are templates [12:56:10] Ah, I've never used those. Let me check [12:56:21] but I suggest to create articles first [12:56:31] of those templates won't have nothing to show [12:56:38] ok [12:56:53] I'mma do one by testing [12:58:19] I think you need to write many more to make a classification and difference in quality [12:58:41] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Dragania [12:58:44] [1/3] But you can take a look here: [12:58:44] [2/3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Peer_review_tools [12:58:45] [3/3] Where there is a navigation to most used [12:59:19] We mean, real articles [12:59:27] nice [12:59:36] oh ok [12:59:44] tho tbh I tried adding align="center" for the top div but dunno why it didn't work out for me [12:59:56] I'mma import the templates [13:00:59] it was just an advice [13:01:48] Inporting Wikipedia templates is a bad idea unless you are willing to spend hours fixing/de wikipedia theme/finding depenacies [13:05:05] [1/2] You need to understand what those templates are doing, what is useful and what is not. [13:05:05] [2/2] When you are unaware, you'll be doing a lot of work, for which you most likely won't use half of it [13:05:19] I'm considering making a "don't make me tap the sign" image for this case [13:06:55] Please do it [13:22:16] [1/2] uh oh [13:22:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213114082203410532/image.png?ex=65f44b87&is=65e1d687&hm=bbabe4967b601868d7d20d3966ec96c8763acf58314bd65e4f6236750d510436& [13:24:17] error in importing the css [13:27:05] I said said, inporting from Wikipedia is a bad idea, try making your own templates [13:29:37] You need to change the page property [13:30:11] Wikipedia templates are very complex and designed for a huge wiki with over six million pages. For a small wiki, making your own templates are abetter idea [13:30:58] [1/2] Add ```?action=info``` behind the page url [13:30:58] [2/2] Change "Scribunto" to "Sanitized CSS [13:31:18] I kinda wish there was command one could type, and it shows a pre made message [13:31:34] Indeed [13:31:56] As it appears a lot of people like inporting Wikipedia templates [13:32:40] Yeah, they don't want to hussle with creating it, so rather copy. They end up having more trouble than creating one self [13:33:31] I think it would be quite easy to make a Wikipedia look-alike template [13:34:18] Yeah, I think I will import older versions to [[dev:]] [13:34:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev: [13:34:18]

[13:35:42] I have some old CSS on Github I may add to dev [13:39:55] I think new folks are just scared of templates and they think getting pre-made templates from somewhere else is easier. Somewhere else is usually Wikipedia cause.. who doesn't know about Wikipedia. But it is far better if folks learned a little about templates and made their own. It also adds your own little flavour to the wiki. :) [13:41:17] yea, I do sometimes made templates myself, but mostly I recook those already available out there [13:41:50] I like to define my templates.. as home made but inspired by others lol [13:42:22] yet, I can somehow just make the CSS myself- [13:42:38] Cheers to "knowing just enough CSS to get by" lol [13:43:21] I have some experiences with DevTool stuffs and getting to working with the CSS [13:45:41] My wiki's templates are custom, and designed not to need TemplateStyles [13:46:15] When someone starts a new wiki on Fandom, the creation of the wiki usually comes with a bunch of templates, such as !, licensing templates, context links, a bunch of infoboxes, etc. [13:46:36] I think there is an add on to let FANDOM templates work on Miraheze [13:46:47] interesting [13:46:49] [1/2] that's why I get this result at the moment [13:46:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213120258936676383/k.png?ex=65f45148&is=65e1dc48&hm=6c63d30e35a748295a877e1059e8d2a54fed50d925f6c15c5906c62411a0dd7e& [13:47:08] I prefer custom div based templates myself [13:47:18] because those handful of templates are actually pretty useful for many smol wikis [13:47:18] You mean PortableInfobox? [13:47:36] Yes. [13:47:58] [[Extension:PortableInfobox]] [13:47:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extension:PortableInfobox [13:47:59]

[13:48:02] at least that's the simplest way to get it working [13:48:09] PortableInfobox imo is actually pretty good [13:48:21] you mean [[mw:Extension:PortableInfobox]]? [13:48:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PortableInfobox [13:48:22]

[13:48:30] I see it as handy for the FANDOM leaver wikis [13:48:48] I see them useful for any wiki tbh [13:48:57] instead of having to build complicated tables, u just have simple infobox markup u can work on [13:49:20] Athria, can you try react to that old link? [13:49:27] Ty. [13:49:58] [[dev:Template:SimpleInfobox]] [13:49:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:SimpleInfobox [13:49:59]

[13:50:15] It's a single template, no module [13:50:29] What a complex looking template [13:50:36] ironic [13:50:50] It has no dependencies [13:51:05] Well, that is nice at lest [13:51:17] I mean, that's one good thing [13:51:22] There seems to be choices for 80! labels [13:51:29] [1/2] [[dev:Template:Infobox]] [13:51:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Infobox [13:51:29] [2/2] One template, and one module [13:51:30]

[13:51:35] but on the other hand, it still does have complexity [13:52:06] I'ts easier then needing to import dependencies [13:52:24] And working in text editor is just awesome [13:52:29] Wish there was some way to encorage use of dev wiki [13:52:45] I keep advertising for it [13:53:02] yeah, especially since the miraheze community is generally pretty technical [13:53:13] I don't see why we shouldn't promote the dev wiki [13:55:39] |Wonder if a easy to see link to it somewhere would help [14:11:05] ! is still part of default templates? it's been part of parser function for several mw versions already [14:11:30] ye [14:12:09] you can just import them, I always suggest to import fandom wikis templates because they are undoubtedly much simper [14:12:49] yeah [14:12:58] and it makes sense too [14:12:59] BUT [14:13:13] while wikipedia's templates have like plenty of modules and dependencies [14:13:17] I encourage learning above everything [14:13:40] ^^^^^^^^^^^ [14:14:57] Yes, FANDOM templates are good for Miraheze wikis [14:15:32] [[Dev:Template:Citation]] Just imported a simple one! [14:15:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dev:Template:Citation [14:15:33]

[14:15:53] Suggest including certain templates to newly created wiki by defaults? [14:16:46] One of the only things that Fandom is great for- [14:17:49] tbh I think this rule goes for any wiki, Miraheze, Fandom, or whatever [14:17:55] absolutely [14:18:12] ye [14:18:31] I learned by looking at other wikis, but I didn't know about export/import and would copy and change code bits [14:18:57] I learned sinces 2019 till right at this moment lol [14:18:59] plus my experience w/ HTML helped [14:20:11] if I'm gonna be honest, editing wikitext/templates on Fandom back in like 2017-2018 is what got me into html css, then computer science [14:20:25] What templates would you incule as a defalt set of templates? [14:20:34] [1/2] this was brought up several times really, and I forgot what was consensus the last time [14:20:35] [2/2] I think it would be more convenient to have repository on Dev Wiki and explain it right on default main page, that admins can choose and import what they need/want [14:21:36] some wikis desperate for country infobox, and the other for election infobox [14:21:42] Let's say, Infobox (the bear bone one), article status box, Cititations, and certains licensing boxs [14:22:52] each vertical on fandom uses different default infoboxes [14:23:48] I mention the bear bone one only because one of the target of making a wiki is deciding what kinds of contents would you put in there [14:24:16] bare bone u mean? 👀 [14:24:48] ah yea, my en level is not that high, yet can still understandable [14:24:51] ^Barebone with an extension usage guide is much easier to understand [14:25:27] Templates are just extension with loop [14:26:01] ^I mean when you want to use the same code on different pages [14:28:00] [1/2] I think it's should be a thing right now [14:28:00] [2/2] I think I shall pass an RfC for this [14:31:16] for what? [14:32:10] uhhh... the default templates? [14:32:27] I'm looking for some instances first tho [14:32:32] you mean preloaded on new wikis? [14:32:39] yea [14:32:49] I think we need some sort of confirmation if CreateWiki can pull this [14:33:50] Hmmm... interesting [14:34:08] This would be a draft until then [14:34:11] Definitely [14:34:24] Yes, can't hurt to make a draft RfC in case [14:36:57] and it should be made as a checkbox option in the wiki request form [14:37:14] Thanks for the proposal idea [14:37:18] np [14:38:42] "Preload useful templates, such as infobox, article status, and citaions, on your wiki automatically." [14:39:06] sure [14:39:14] maybe include a help page for it [14:39:31] ? [14:43:42] Can you give the URL here? [14:44:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1205770821704876052.webp?size=48 [14:44:44] hchbhjbygbjb7yb7ebhudbshvxug7 [14:44:47] ok fine [14:44:55] arosi.miraheze.org [14:48:02] I'll see about an rfc to ratify a new default maim page this evening which should help on this and related matters [14:48:31] Could we co-author this? [14:49:28] that's probably more broad subject [14:52:11] I can certainly ping when it's up [14:52:37] The draft is there and done pretty much, just needs implementing [14:59:21] [1/2] So I'm thinking on 2 proposal here: [14:59:21] [2/2] 1. Preloading useful templates by default when creating a new wiki from Special:CreateWiki/ [15:00:48] yes [15:06:35] so?? what about this? [15:06:53] and is there a way to make images on dark mode look, not bad [15:08:52] I don't see it and can't seems to find it [15:10:27] hm, I forgot I already tried to remove the blue thing but it looked horrible [15:10:44] bruh [15:10:54] still it looks good to me- [15:11:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1212950753153392640/x6AWWVL.png?ex=65f3b36b&is=65e13e6b&hm=69edaee1fd33849a759210d29e946006a08306f74927c87757387b034a62aad3& [15:11:48] I think I fixed it by changing `background-repeat` to `round` [15:12:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213141736755437628/b.png?ex=65f46549&is=65e1f049&hm=89e98e95d6f750908e157e341b0b6ea1f75a5439c407b4fba382e5b29f22d425& [15:13:16] looks stretched tho [15:13:41] it is ngl, but better than having that line [15:15:00] I'm writing out the RfC, so see me in a whiles ig [15:17:45] [1/2] [[dev:Template:Citation]] added to Developement wiki. [15:17:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Citation [15:17:45] [2/2] 1 template for citations, and 3 for Harvard Citations. [15:17:46]

[15:26:37] and wait. If we do actually preload those templates, where are those templates should be sourced? [15:29:27] I'm thinking of 2 options, but for the infobox only: either from Dev Wiki (SimpleInfobox), or by reusing the bare bone Infobox from the PortableInfobox (and at the same time, enable PortableInfobox by default) [15:29:45] what templates would be preloaded in the first place? [15:30:26] > Let's say, Infobox (the bare bone one), article status box, Cititations, and certains licensing boxes [15:33:20] Certain Licensing boxes? [15:33:24] Why not most of them? [15:34:10] Only those that are often used. [15:34:37] Some are rarely used, depending on the type of wiki. [15:34:47] all the CC ones are worth it [15:34:49] But All PD and all CC should be [15:36:55] yeah, maybe not something like the NASA one… [15:38:55] The Creative Commons and Public Domain templates are necessary for all wiki's [15:39:06]