[00:00:04] oh holy hell wtf [00:00:41] How many [00:00:49] 50ish [00:01:25] Mia nosa [00:11:31] around how long should i approximately have to wait until my SN request to get Cargo enabled is done? [00:19:39] How long has it been open? [00:21:26] since the 27th but i see some cargo requests open since mid february [00:21:28] people have probably asked this many times before, but if the wiki is private - can I use copyrighted art in my articles? [00:22:03] only if it is fair use and attributed [00:22:52] copyright law applies whether the wiki is private or not [00:24:11] would I only need to attribute the author only in the file description, or also on every article where it's featured(with a caption) [00:29:12] i'm not a lawyer, but i think you'd be good with attribution on the file page description. it needs to meet fair use guidelines. if you're unsure about the caption, it might be wise to include attribution. [00:29:18] Hi, I just got feedback from a volunteer and got my wiki approved. Could I just get a clarification on what the feedback is about specifically? [00:29:38] should I post it on #support ? [00:30:11] do you mean clarification on the approving comment ie if it's okish/not perfect but approved anyway? [00:30:19] yes [00:30:52] the approving wiki creator would need to directly explain their process, you can contact on their talk page if you want to follow up [00:30:59] I'll take a look and see if I can reasonably deduce [00:31:15] its minbokworld wiki [00:31:26] or yeah i probably could just message the mod [00:31:41] [1/2] I see it, yeah, send @bwm0 a message including the link [00:31:42] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/41644#mw-section-comments [00:33:38] That is a canned response. Your request met the basic requirements, so you're good. Please ensure your wiki complies with Content Policy and Terms of Use. [00:33:41] part of the issue is that the descriptions are innately unhelpful yes [00:34:51] Also you probably aren't going to get shut down for copyright infringement unless it's really blatant and Miraheze takes action or the copyright owner complains [00:35:28] Yeah - the descriptions absolutely need to be revised down the line but again, down the line as there's a lot else on our plate currently. [00:35:41] Just ensure your wiki doesn't deviate from your stated scope and you're fine. [00:35:51] the descriptions are why I always did manual approvals, even if I reused portions [00:35:51] alright. thanks for the approval! [00:36:19] Yeah - one thing I'd support is personalized canned responses. [00:36:36] there should be a good handful of wiki creators aboard soon and I have somewhat de iced on the prospect myself, though at this point I may well not be needed either way [00:40:43] Always need more tbh [00:41:24] it's true, even a wave of several can fade off quickly [00:42:06] trying to figure out where the main page generation stuff is on mira github [00:58:40] [1/17] No. Copyright protected art is not allowed on private wiki's [00:58:40] [2/17] Whether the wiki is privat or not, the art is always visible via it's permanent (static) link [00:58:40] [3/17] Besides that, Copyright laws only allow usage, if the author/creator has released it under a license that is compatible with "Public Domain" or one of the Creative Commons licenses, as follows: [00:58:40] [4/17] 1. BY: credit must be given to the creator. [00:58:41] [5/17] 2. NC: Only non-commercial uses of the work are permitted. [00:58:41] [6/17] 3. ND: No derivatives or adaptations of the work are permitted. [00:58:41] [7/17] 4. SA: Adaptations must be shared under the same terms. [00:58:42] [8/17] 5. CC0 (aka CC Zero) enables the creator to release the work in the public domain. [00:58:42] [9/17] Except for CC0, You can combine the above as follows. [00:58:42] [10/17] a. CC-by [00:58:43] [11/17] b. CC-by-nc [00:58:43] [12/17] c. CC-by-nd [00:58:44] [13/17] d. CC-by-nc-nd [00:58:44] [14/17] e. CC-by-nc-sa [00:58:45] [15/17] f. CC-by-sa [00:58:45] [16/17] If no license is presented on the source page, the rule of thumb is: [00:58:46] [17/17] Everything on that page is copyright protected, unless otherwise stated. [01:00:12] thank you for the answer, just for completeness, what about AI-generated images? [01:01:04] For your second question, The page where the file is uploaded to needs to have a License template, that states what the license is. A link in the summary field is not enough [01:01:26] God knows [01:04:14] [1/4] For this question it is not clear cut. The opinions are divided, but there isn't a clear law on that yet. [01:04:14] [2/4] But the more ethical question is, where the AI get's the the data from, as that could well be protected by copyright laws. [01:04:14] [3/4] But as it is now, we don't really know what to make of it. [01:04:15] [4/4] I would advice against it, but there is no strict law against it. [01:06:11] [1/3] I personally am against AI creation without the AI giving a source. And who would we credit? [01:06:11] [2/3] And who owns the copyright? What license has to be used? [01:06:11] [3/3] So for me that is a slippery slope. [01:08:37] And as far as I am aware, there are talks about restricting this already in the EU, but how fast such law would be implemented? Who knows [01:09:01] Hope that answers all your questions [01:09:16] hmm, yes, thank you [01:09:43] currently adding license info to some of the art on my wiki [01:12:03] Just make sure, that you have the right to use the art on your wiki, and put the correct license on the upload page. [01:12:25] [1/2] I just had a draft written: [01:12:26] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Drafts/License_templates [01:12:38] Perhaps it is of use [01:22:36] Great so the wiki creator backlog is gonee [01:22:50] 125 requests actually [01:22:52] not 50 [01:22:59] y'know [01:23:01] typical day [01:23:15] Jimbo Christ [01:23:19] Pardon [01:23:34] That took 60 minutes+ [01:23:38] 90ish actually [01:23:46] that's mentally tiring though [01:23:53] You got through them all? [01:24:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213295715766243368/Screenshot_2024-03-01_at_5.23.57_PM.png?ex=65f4f4b0&is=65e27fb0&hm=7d21bce4aa41937873f4ad582c72c04c96c7f62000e6f7a229cbd7722cef88d1& [01:24:04] all gone [01:24:11] on hold requests are a different story [01:24:22] https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194 [01:24:25] but that's also something I'm not taking care of till Sunday [01:24:42] [[Special:RequestWikiQueue]] [01:24:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [01:24:43]

[01:38:01] So that’s what the various letters mean. [01:38:03] Thank you. [01:38:36] farmer log 🧑‍🌾 [01:38:56] In all seriousness, wow, that is insanely impressive. [01:39:44] top wiki creator in the world 💪 [01:40:05] @.labster i don’t get paid enough [01:40:09] _takes note_ [01:40:58] But not top wiki creator ever [01:42:24] Also want to add that not all images are copyright eligible. For examples, flags are often considered not eligible because of their simplicity/lack of creativity. But it's very hard to know what is or isn't because usually the court decides that if there's an issue. [01:42:39] I responded to the wrong comment but you get the idea lol [01:42:40] MJ and Lebron ykwim [01:44:14] fyi I want the Shohei Ohtani 10 year, $700 million contract [01:44:46] [1/2] Quick query that a wiki editor of mine has asked, is it possible to change the author of edits? [01:44:47] [2/2] SO for example, any edits by UserX is instead replaced with UserY? [01:45:16] <.labster, replying to bwm0> Okay you can have a 20% raise [01:45:39] :thunk: [01:54:52] Doing so would involve modifying pure XML; it's doable, but I don't think there's an extension that does it [01:57:41] [1/2] Yup, it's definitely possible [01:57:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213304190647148574/image.png?ex=65f4fc95&is=65e28795&hm=60a6527ea3b9e23f334526f463717205ba0a83abf965665e38031263defbeb24& [01:58:00] Correct. But if you keep to the rules from commons.wikimedia.org than you'll never be wrong. [01:59:22] There are so many different copyright laws, and they differ per country as well. But if you just keep the basic rules in mind, you'll ofen be okay. [02:03:07] Oh interesting, thanks. I haven't touched the XML stuff at all yet. Is it automatable? Cause 1,500 edits is a lot for my small smush human brain lol [02:04:03] I don't think a script exists yet; such a script should be easy to create however, and it can already be semi-automated with a text editor that has a find/replace function [02:04:41] Yeah okay, I don't want to really make up a script if it doesn't exist already. Would rather use something supported than I know won't break anything. :') [02:08:41] [1/2] Proof of concept of how powerful this trick is: I made it look like a page was created by someone who doesn't exist and hide the fact that it was "imported" at the same time [02:08:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213306956672933968/image.png?ex=65f4ff28&is=65e28a28&hm=26c0262884ea280582c527fc57015d049c008ac1f3bc4f3494ff463165d8965d& [02:10:28] Oh that seems.. dodgy. XD [02:11:14] Gonna write up a bunch of hate messages and change the author to be someone I dislike lol /j [02:12:58] [1/2] Forgot about the import log, but that can easily be taken care of by revision deletion [02:12:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213308034462519427/image.png?ex=65f50029&is=65e28b29&hm=0efb4966012447da6f5ba3482759100d6ea501368ae16fd0e0f9d106581dfb8c& [02:18:28] It is, with a simple maintenance script [02:22:35] I'd trust if you do it, I wouldn't do it myself though haha. Should I log a phab request? [02:24:05] Tali64 over here just casually working out how to commit moral crimes lmao /j [02:24:51] [1/2] Found a time traveler [02:24:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213311025118715904/image.png?ex=65f502f2&is=65e28df2&hm=8c96a0bc312873af84c5f4c391189f24cadce2ea5bcd4fc0014e81abd5b883ca& [02:25:19] XD Oh no [02:25:35] The time travellers are coming for your edits /j [02:25:39] I’m migrating my other Wiki back to Miraheze [02:26:10] Always nice to hear that [02:26:18] (emm read that) [02:28:18] Already migrated iNext and Kayla & Rachel back to Miraheze and combined it into 1 Wiki [02:28:45] Already migrated iNext and Kayla & Rachel Wiki back to Miraheze and combined it into 1 Wiki [03:03:18] I am off to bed. it's past 4 am here [03:03:30] [1/2] 💤 [03:03:30] [2/2] 🛌 [03:27:05] [1/2] how do i make the no invert thing work [03:27:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1213326688834818048/my4Hq8X.png?ex=65f51189&is=65e29c89&hm=69e2d6594c00e9f1a3e3f62238eb38846cf2ecf12692079544e97a0da1c38fd9& [03:27:18] @nibblypup could you give me a helping hand, plesae? [03:34:15] where do iuse this? [03:34:16] $wgThemeToggleLoadScriptOverride [03:36:37] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php i found this [03:36:42] yet i cant access the php [03:36:45] on my wiki [03:39:02] why does the dark mode extension stay when i remove it [03:39:08] nvm [04:06:44] I really don't know that much about css or mediawiki, outside of the obvious stuff, sorry. online css/js support volunteers may be able to help more [04:07:36] k, I already gave up on dark moe [04:07:48] how do I put themetoggle to my wiki? [04:12:02] Being stupid is getting tiring gn [05:29:21] For changing the author of edits, one could either use the built-in reassignEdits.php maintenance script or the ChangeAuthor extension. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ChangeAuthor [05:30:55] Ooh [05:31:20] This would be really handy. [05:31:22] Thanks! [05:34:58] ChangeAuthor is not available on Miraheze; the only options are reassignEdits.php (which only SRE can do) or manual XML editing (which takes some effort) [05:37:50] (or we can just install it?) [05:38:33] I am pretty sure that there's a reason they wouldn't accept it [05:38:52] Like you could make it look like someone left a talk page message they didn't [06:12:30] Miraheze doesn't have, and ai tried to request it, there are issues w/ this extension [06:45:56] What was it that Dmehus did wrong? He's been brought up before but I wasn't around when he was around [06:46:50] Uhm [06:46:58] I would just look up Dmehus on Meta [06:47:05] Might be easier than explaining it all again [06:47:11] Messiness is what happened, in short [06:47:20] Alright [08:11:10] $0 × 120% is still 0. 🤔 [08:12:04] That’s . . . dangerous. [08:42:42] Hey guys. My wiki show the "Wiki deleted" page, and I don't know why. I tried for a "Requests_for_reopening_wikis" request, but it reads: "[You are a bureaucrat...] INSTEAD GO TO Special:ManageWiki ON YOUR WIKI AND UNCHECK THE "Closed" BOX". But this page says Wiki deleted too for me. How to know why it is deleted, and how to sort this? Thx! [08:44:31] Go through this: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/(Un)deletions :) [08:45:08] It's a known issue at the moment for a few weeks. ^^ [08:45:14] But you'll need to request an undelete. [08:46:29] thx! [09:24:44] <572943> is there a page to search for a wiki? [09:25:00] <572943> by name [09:25:18] Please stop pinging random people. [09:26:02] [1/2] Yes: [09:26:02] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover [09:26:18] Just narrow the search parameter [09:26:33] <572943> hmm [09:26:42] <572943> I wish there was a search input box [09:26:52] search by a name is something we've been asking, hopefully can be implemented soon [09:27:03] what is the name of it? [09:31:55] <572943> it should be "Сведник Пьрꙑзуподвьрзьньои" or something like that [09:32:22] <572943> a former admin of the wiki claimed they'll fork the wiki to Miraheze, I'm curious if they ever did that [09:33:02] a steward with a significant effect but controversial background [09:33:51] @theoneandonlylegroom that's your region of expertise. Ukrainian I believe? [09:33:53] and yes, it would take a lot of words or dedicated research to get into the why properly. There's not a lot he did strictly wrong but there were a couple instances that resulted in damage [09:35:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover?language=uk&category=any&state=any&visibility=any [09:35:33] <572943, replying to rodejong> the language... is complicated ||it's "Proto-Indo-European", not Russian nor Ukrainian, that's the whole reason why the admin got demoted from the Fandom wiki, as well as violating some of Fandom's policies|| [09:35:44] uuh no? there are several slavic langs too [09:36:19] I wrote "region" 😄 [09:36:30] huh, didn't know this might be a reason for a kick off fandom [09:36:46] but I'd suggest to try old subdomain? [09:36:58] luke what was before `.fandom.org` [09:37:07] <572943> madeinabyss [09:37:30] https://madeinabyss.miraheze.org/wiki/ not found [09:37:32] <572943, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> they were writing in a language that was different from the language the wiki was set up [09:37:56] this name rings a bell actually [09:39:00] :ThinkerMH: [09:42:57] maybe worth to ask again really [09:43:03] the admin [09:43:38] there's also a chance they might abandoned the wiki and it got deleted due to inactivity/lack of exemption [09:53:08] [1/2] still nope, I might understand something of Ukrainian but I don't know it well, and it was obvious it's neither [09:53:09] [2/2] and Slavic langs are fun cus meaning of seemingly similar words can differ critically, like "tvar" in Chezh means "face" while in Russian is biblical word for "animal" which is often used as slur ||(similar to "bitch")|| [09:54:57] But I can assume, you know more of the language then I do right? 😄 [09:56:16] I mean, the Russian language had a strng influence in the 40+ years last century [10:20:29] Are there others who's global login isn't working? [10:20:48] I have to login to login wiki everytime [11:16:16]