[00:08:19] [1/2] I am also logging off. [00:08:19] [2/2] I am also not awake in my head anymore. So have a nice evening in the America's, and G'Morning to Stralia 😄 [00:08:31] [1/2] 💤 [00:08:31] [2/2] 🛌 [01:13:48] test [01:15:02] tesy [01:15:06] test [01:15:06] ok [01:15:07] IRC should be working [01:15:36] I was setting up IRC on Tor and it took me like half an hour because I am really bad at reading instructions [01:20:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/41725#mw-section-request [01:21:44] Be patient, the wiki creator will get back to you soon [01:21:58] They have obligations in real life that prevent them from responding to some requests in a timely fashion [01:22:54] We are all volunteers [01:23:13] Yeah [01:25:25] I only have this issue on meta: You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: [01:25:26] Your IP address, 2a0b:f4c2::4, has been automatically identified as a Tor exit node. Editing through Tor is blocked to prevent abuse. [01:25:35] Is there any way to edit without turning off Tor? [01:25:35] OS will be around within a day I expect, he's not chronically online but he's consistent enough [01:25:50] If not I'll just go edit on normal Firefox but Tor is fun to use [01:26:07] I don't think so [01:26:13] I assume its designed that way [01:26:37] Also, if you are here to ask for a wiki request be fufilled, don't. We are all voletneers and your request will be handled in due time. [01:27:06] I think Collei knows that well [01:27:11] Collei: are you logged in? [01:27:19] you should be able to bypass that while logged in [01:27:34] Refers to https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1214381877729693767 I think [01:27:35] oh, misread Globe's ping [01:27:36] yeah [01:27:44] I am logged in [01:28:00] let me see [01:28:01] Meta is the only wiki where Tor doesn't work when logged in [01:28:16] sorry [01:28:30] Is there a tor block exeption role? [01:28:44] there's an ip block exemption role but I'm not sure it necessarily applies to that [01:28:50] it's bundled into the normal `user` group [01:28:51] I need to be patient been told before sorry [01:28:52] or at least should be [01:29:02] Brb my computer is glitching need to restart [01:29:13] I know I've seen deem(?) or someone who starts with D anyway edit through tor just fine [01:29:15] No worries. I understand it is exciting to get a wiki made! [01:29:31] Yes I know [02:14:03] Yeah on Meta ipblock-exempt has torunblocked but strangely the Users group doesn't but in all the other wikis I've visited the Users group does [02:14:12] I assume someone must've changed it at some point [02:15:06] Very interesting [02:30:50] [1/2] any ways i could improve this? [02:30:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214399695745716314/k7LTTrs.png?ex=65f8f8d9&is=65e683d9&hm=1dd6d7f3e473bbeb60b7ef24bf993c10c4724726e82fa799af3f1ee205686383& [02:37:34] Improve in what way? [02:41:52] text [02:43:09] In the tagline (or whatever it's called, the thing at the introduction that you add describing what it is), bold The Sky Islands, and remove that h2 saying "Sky Islands", it's redundant with the page title. Otherwise, I don't know anything about the wiki topic, so I can't say. [02:48:10] [1/2] [insane](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1100726533317984337.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=insane) [02:48:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214404056555065405/SsezJHy.png?ex=65f8fce9&is=65e687e9&hm=e3a99f2923399c6e0ce25f5d018e99ab3f59e1667938b235bf6bb174092c8743& [02:55:55] Try doing {{DISPLAYTITLE:Sky Islands}} or something if you want to change that [02:55:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:Sky_Islands [02:56:03] Also Tor seems to be working now, idk what changed [03:13:25] Tor is broken again [03:22:40] I would recommend against having everything as a subpage under the Main Page. [03:23:01] because it makes every link unnecessarily longer [03:23:20] k, theres many pages so it would take alot of time tho [03:23:52] Maybe start keeping things separate for any articles created after today [03:23:56] theres the link shorter, yknow [03:24:02] and you could go back and change previous pages every once in awhile [03:24:12] i can just do it tmrw [03:24:28] i know but it’s easier to just have everything be readable [03:24:40] ok [03:26:05] logged in bypass on Meta it doesn't work w/ Tor, Zppix later added permission to me [03:26:13] [1/7] because it is easier to read/write smth like [03:26:13] [2/7] ``` [03:26:13] [3/7] JetBot100 created the [[Sky Islands]] [03:26:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Sky_Islands [03:26:14] [4/7] ``` [03:26:14] [5/7] as opposed to [03:26:14] [6/7] ``` [03:26:14] [7/7] JetBot100 created the [[Main Page/Locations/Sky_Islands|Sky Islands]] [03:26:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page/Locations/Sky_Islands [03:28:21] Also, organisation-wise, it doesn’t make much sense for Sky Islands to be under the main page. [03:28:50] On the other hand, if you had a Gallery page, for example, `Sky Islands/Gallery` makes sense. [03:29:06] [1/2] the location page is in the main page so /shrug [03:29:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214414358772449370/3YN4w6W.png?ex=65f90681&is=65e69181&hm=da66dae6f259805f5758feec2385bb02dffda383b1bcf2dc6c40889cf1581bb0& [03:29:35] do i also make https://arosi.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page/Tools its own page [03:30:08] You may as well to maintain consistency with the other pages [03:30:22] k [03:37:30] Then you would end up with every single page being under the Main Page. [05:24:25] Where's the best place to ask questions about the Global Content Policy? [05:28:48] I believes is here right now [05:29:07] this is fine [05:49:31] hmm [05:49:45] i keep getting the message, something went wrong w/ no error code [05:50:04] oh wait i see the code, it got moved to the bottom.. [05:50:09] [1/2] oh this isn't good: [05:50:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214449854424686672/image.png?ex=65f92790&is=65e6b290&hm=1ea60a2fd5a99058b50c75910e830eb7fa7d3cc349f7a901e05bb5947bf17f47& [05:50:41] it fixed by going to a different page then returning [06:10:46] My question about the Global Content Policy is that rule #1 states the primary purpose of a wiki cannot be for commercial activity [06:11:26] However, would it be allowable for a wiki to have paid sponsors? [06:11:55] I.e., Is the emphasis on "commercial activity" or "primary purpose"? [06:14:59] [1/2] Paid sponsors for me is allowed, as: [06:14:59] [2/2] > However, you can have limited fundraiser-type sales or provide an informational site supporting a commercial activity(for instance, a wiki describing characters from a commercial work of fiction). [06:16:18] I do put some donation links to my main wiki, tbh, as to keep my domain alive [06:16:49] So hypothetically, if I created a wiki about Yo-yo's, and then allowed Yo-yo manufacturers to pay for sponsorship of certain pages or banners [06:17:24] Is there a way for me to search precedent for what has been determined to be breaking Rule 1? [06:17:57] Tbh, I'm not too sure about this. @Wiki Creators may have more ideas on this [06:18:59] Thank you for chiming in! I interpret the rule the same way you do, for what it's worth. [06:19:12] But I want to make sure I'm following the rules, I respect Miraheze's mission. [06:23:17] Whiles I'd love to, as I'm appling to be one, I would love to learn more on what I should do when cases like this happens. [06:23:45] So hey, I would like to hear some of the WC's answers [06:36:57] Not a current wiki creator, but I'd have probably ruled against that. [06:38:00] If it's yo-yo manufacturers paying for content that provides them a benefit, that's a commercial purpose [06:38:26] Paying for content would be if they paid an agency to write an article about them on the wiki [06:38:41] I'm suggesting something like: the homepage of the wiki has a sponsor list [06:39:01] If they are paying for anything on your wiki, they have a commercial interest in it [06:39:30] Wiki content needs to be balanced and fair [06:39:32] That doesn't make it the primary purpose [06:39:42] and doesn't necessarily mean the content isn't balanced or fair [06:40:26] [1/3] >>>> 1. The primary purpose of a wiki cannot be for commercial activity. [06:40:26] [2/3] Miraheze is not a free hosting service for spam and search engine optimisation ("SEO"), either. However, you can have limited fundraiser-type sales or provide an informational site supporting a commercial activity (for instance, a wiki describing characters from a commercial work of fiction). [06:40:27] [3/3] Using a third-party advertising network to display advertising is prohibited on Miraheze. [06:40:41] [1/4] > 1. The primary purpose of a wiki cannot be for commercial activity. [06:40:41] [2/4] > Miraheze is not a free hosting service for spam and search engine optimisation ("SEO"), either. However, you can have limited fundraiser-type sales or provide an informational site supporting a commercial activity (for instance, a wiki describing characters from a commercial work of fiction). [06:40:41] [3/4] > [06:40:41] [4/4] > Using a third-party advertising network to display advertising is prohibited on Miraheze. [06:40:53] I know what the CP says. I wrote parts of it. [06:41:06] I'm not suggesting you don't know what it says [06:41:13] I'm providing it for easy reference [06:42:18] Would discussion about the creation of this rule be documented in some public place I can refer to? I want to understand the intention better. [06:42:27] The new content policy that's under vote now drops the primary bit [06:42:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy/2024 [06:42:46] Thank you [06:43:36] I'm not sure the example I outlined violates that policy either [06:44:05] I simply don't believe that manufacturers wouldn't gain a commercial benefit if they are sponsoring the wiki [06:44:32] I'm having trouble finding the part that says they cannot reap a commercial benefit [06:44:41] To the people providing the funds, the aim isn't going to be balanced and fair information for educational benefit [06:45:28] The aim is going to be to further their gains so it's a commercial activity [06:45:51] [1/2] I think I see where this is going tbh [06:45:52] [2/2] Talking about the sponsors, I know an example [06:46:34] @rhinosf1 I recognize that my questions are coming off as difficult, and I appreciate you taking the time to help me understand better [06:46:53] I've asked for a 2nd opinion from the people who have the final say [06:47:02] Thank you [06:47:20] Sincerely my intention is to respect the community [06:47:32] But id only accept it if i thought they were sufficient and strong controls in place to ensure no sponsor is directly gaining and impacting content [06:47:57] I agree with you that gain would be unavoidable [06:48:04] I don't think content necessarily need be impacted [06:48:45] is there a wiki farm that you think is better suited for this use case? [06:48:54] Probably a paid host [06:49:25] Any in particular you'd recommend I consider? [06:49:36] WikiForge exists [06:49:57] Ran by some of the same people [06:50:14] hm thought I'd ruled out WikiForge, need to remember why [07:01:26] While it's not explicitly stated in that particular block, we've generally not permitted pay-for-post schemes (using the British sense of scheme) or sponsorship structures that result in personal enrichment/remuneration of wiki contributors [07:02:47] It sounds like if I'm asking the question, it's probably not the best solution for what I'm trying to accomplish? [07:02:54] Since that's not the intention [09:40:06] if a wiki does have paid sponsors I'd wonder why it's not independent at that point tbh [09:44:13] mediawiki scary ofc [09:44:23] also cought nato wiki lol cough [09:45:08] any sponsors better donate :ThinkingHardMH: [09:45:57] nato'll never donate [09:46:15] I saw that [09:46:31] disappointing [09:46:54] It's government [09:47:19] public sector procurement rules are hell [09:47:58] I had to ask my boss's boss' boss last time i did a requistion [09:48:21] Sometime, it’s like this: [09:48:28] https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397 [09:49:43] [1/2] in other news, guess who needs to learn math parser functions or whatever [09:49:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214510145955037184/IMG_20240305_124905.jpg?ex=65f95fb7&is=65e6eab7&hm=debb1e317bee63afbe34a3f906e61a37331b68ddb73c8487cf2905e5c2243ba3& [09:50:26] the new game shows you base damage value (versus no info in the old version lol), but there's fucking unseen math further [09:52:38] When it come to math, that is how i feel: [09:52:50] https://tenor.com/view/stuck-lost-confused-umm-gif-25622332 [09:54:10] Joke aside, any of you know how to protect page on wiki? [09:54:23] there's a protect button? [09:54:29] next to move, delete [09:54:40] My wiki just got created [09:54:41] or you can protect the entire namespace [09:54:54] or [09:55:02] if you want to be the sole editor [09:55:14] you need to poke around user groups permissions [09:55:21] I see [09:55:44] For now, everyone can edit my wiki without being logged [09:56:09] I would like to restrict them from doing unless they’re registered [09:56:25] To avoid vandalism XD [09:57:14] [1/4] Manage this wiki's permissions -> [09:57:14] [2/4] choose Everyone (*) group -> [09:57:14] [3/4] untick all edit related permissions [09:57:14] [4/4] then check that User group has these permissions [09:57:32] Gotach [10:12:23] [1/2] how do i get parserfunctions to work on my wiki? [10:12:24] [2/2] i've looked at the mediawiki documentation for it but it just displays as something like `{{#explode:}}` instead of processing the function [10:12:24] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23explode:Template: [10:12:57] and i tried on a different wiki i have and it works fine [10:18:21] [1/2] Go to your admin section [10:18:22] [2/2] Special:ManageWiki/extensions [10:19:24] I don't think we have that one? [10:23:31] [1/2] [Special:Version] [10:23:31] [2/2] Search for the word "Explode" and see if it is there [10:24:24] parser functions are enabled by default but not sure about explode [10:24:25] Go to Special:ManageWiki/settings and enable `$wgPFEnableStringFunctions` [10:24:40] It was indeed a string function [10:25:10] [1/2] inchresting [10:25:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519064316092426/IMG_20240305_132451.jpg?ex=65f96805&is=65e6f305&hm=1baf33408149fe780863a0dfa566cf51ccb005886fb99d2a5b637716268da14b& [10:25:21] [1/2] it's already enabled [10:25:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519112060112917/image.png?ex=65f96810&is=65e6f310&hm=42cf9e8198e14bfce337de9634e89a4f6b526ebd3f3974e214e1de038c7d339d& [10:25:43] [1/2] but some of them are still missing [10:25:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519206478094376/image.png?ex=65f96827&is=65e6f327&hm=7efceae872e2ab469b67744c30043090601d463e10f78f8c45ce156426b12dd3& [10:25:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519239399182336/image.png?ex=65f9682f&is=65e6f32f&hm=474cfebb62818d45b7a10fdda3cb962a807e4c9ff818ee68615264dc39845602& [10:26:27] [1/2] Me found explode- [10:26:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519387265048606/i.png?ex=65f96852&is=65e6f352&hm=bfde945fdce27900926cd391e1144846d8df28cd05000a8ec9b2c0d29bf9df44& [10:26:46] Me too ↑ [10:26:48] can I have your wiki URL? [10:26:48] it's a different wiki from the one in my bio [10:26:55] https://kaylaghdisco.miraheze.org/ [10:27:44] Indeed, it is not there [10:28:22] [1/2] bullcrap detected- [10:28:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214519870306394132/d.png?ex=65f968c5&is=65e6f3c5&hm=bb3bce64661f3ef1789639976450e54007c16dec71783412a5fe373629aa502d& [10:28:43] check those boxes then type in the reason and press Save [10:28:51]