[00:42:04] hi, it seems like miraheze might not support gmail aliases? (i.e. using email+1@gmail.com or what have you) [00:42:07] idk if thats intentional [00:42:18] the . method works though (em.ail@gmail.com) [00:43:36] [1/3] and filtering out bot edits doesnt seem to be working [00:43:36] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214735098574934116/image.png?ex=65fa3138&is=65e7bc38&hm=e92f709694b1bf21b92ebad1d20cbf85d3476bfed9a01158908666b56867a06d& [00:43:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214735098847432714/image.png?ex=65fa3138&is=65e7bc38&hm=a9e2dde1c1f5b1fbe1735bae03f5a80dbed306784166f0029243b8734f1f647e& [01:00:12] [1/2] 💤 [01:00:12] [2/2] 🛌 [01:00:59] If y'all have a moment, could you fill out the above poll? Curious to see what the reception is. [01:01:36] that's a bold question to ask [01:02:15] Definitely, but I was curious to know going forward if people view them as productive. [01:09:39] I'd love to say yes but last one took place at 5am my time so no idea actually. XD [01:12:30] the meetings need to be rethought somewhat [01:13:28] more consistent, more ability to follow through and effect consequences of the meetings (for example I've meant for a while now to make a review of last meeting and see if stuff from it could be progressed upon and referred to in a future meeting), better reach/probably more diverse timing [01:57:46] +1 to all of that [02:13:54] The meeting is useful but from my view, it's a bit tiresome and you can't post 24/7 [02:16:08] there isnt an option for 'the meetings dont affect me personally and i dont attend them' but thats my vote, haha [02:16:17] i support them wholeheartedly they just arent relevant to me and what i use miraheze for [02:21:02] [1/2] does it look good [02:21:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214759619163983923/zjMZfNQ.png?ex=65fa480e&is=65e7d30e&hm=1ab72e639b62a6854f0126847ac6369e74741585007a37a28653a34871ee160b& [02:22:18] Yea, no issue [02:27:40] [1/2] ummm [02:27:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214761287624433704/ZklJ0Hu.png?ex=65fa499c&is=65e7d49c&hm=7c9d907e0f781ed2cad4c4fbee500067b51ec3ee586098e5852f4cbe98b18dc9& [04:35:04] I still can't edit with Tor on Meta [04:40:07] IP blocked? [04:41:27] Yeah on Meta but not on any other wiki the Users group doesn't have torunblocked [04:41:33] Usually the Users group has torunblocked [04:41:45] I've asked on IRC and Meta admin board to fix this so hopefully someone will get to it [05:12:05] you need permission [05:12:19] edit w/ Tor oj Meta requires permission [05:12:40] I said that yesterday but everyone ignored [05:14:40] lol [05:14:41] [05:14:54] (I would ask for it later tho) [05:50:57] @theoneandonlylegroom Oh I didn't notice that [05:51:01] Ok [05:51:05] Who do I ask for permission? [05:51:25] I guess Meta admins [05:51:48] :thumbsup: [07:47:31] How do you link a category without putting that page in said category? [07:48:20] [[:Category:KoolestKategoryEver]] iirc [07:48:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Category:KoolestKategoryEver [07:48:21] [07:49:01] ? [07:49:20] that's how I remember how to do that [07:49:44] it creates a link to a category on an article without putting that article in the category [07:49:59] just replace KoolestKategoryEver with an actual category [07:52:20] it is bruh [07:52:42] it simply just putting a `:` before the category [07:54:22] so if you wants to link to `KoolestKategoryEver`, you just put `:` before the category ns `[[:Category:KoolestKategoryEver]]` [07:54:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Category:KoolestKategoryEver [07:55:23] And it's interesting that putting the wikilink in ` `` ` won't trigger WB [07:57:52] Anyways [07:58:31] [1/2] How do i disable this learn section in the upload wizard? [07:58:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214844546530410516/IMG_1231.png?ex=65fa9726&is=65e82226&hm=d9c19c096924652753a7773325ebdad95e3e1e0b0cc7994ee163f9614a55e4dd& [08:06:23] did you imported something off WM Commons? [08:06:57] No i just enabled the upload wizard extension [08:32:20] so does anyone know how it could be removed? [08:33:44] This is why you have to look further to the documentation... [08:33:50] Lemme find something [08:37:21] This can be disabled if you turn [[mw:Extension:InstantCommons]] off from ManageWiki. [08:37:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InstantCommons [08:37:22] [08:41:48] that can’t be it,,, [08:43:04] [1/3] I mean there is, at ManageWiki/settings [08:43:05] [2/3] search commons and you would found it [08:43:05] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214855761612513290/t.png?ex=65faa198&is=65e82c98&hm=0bcab748a66634e0c3bdb1bb3afd24af480913df32e4e09ca499ae0d77c3ca2e& [08:45:57] then it’s not an extension [08:46:16] it's a misread- [08:48:20] https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231 [08:48:25] [1/2] I found this but disabling it doesn’t change the learn page [08:48:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214857102288359435/IMG_1232.png?ex=65faa2d8&is=65e82dd8&hm=3d6ce2e4fba364634e5de7cb78e13cf51593680df46af3e7bbe7edfec7a1fe12& [08:48:48] it take times? try purging it [08:48:55] I’ll try [08:49:03] Can you send me a link to your site [08:49:20] InstantCommons does not create that [08:49:26] I have it on my wiki and it doesn't happen [08:49:28] https://wiki.mineplay.nl/ [08:49:39] Alright hold on [08:52:04] I don't have that happen on my end at https://wiki.mineplay.nl/wiki/Special:Upload [08:52:11] What page are you specifically having an issue with? [08:52:29] You mean `Special:UploadWizard`? [08:52:45] the one you put is the alternate one [08:52:52] Oh I see [08:52:55] I'll check [08:53:11] Yeah I see it [08:53:18] It litterally has a link that let's you skip that in the future [08:53:24] at least I would try to use it in my wiki and then give you some ideas [08:54:00] yeah but I want it that it never appears for everyone on my wiki [08:54:00] [1/2] Hmm [08:54:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214858510588715048/Screenshot_20240306-005350.png?ex=65faa427&is=65e82f27&hm=b0b75777851a616c0cc95e4d495ec7f61b9575324123c46a296dbd8f9bf1055b& [08:54:15] Are there any settings for the UploadWizard extension? [08:54:16] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214858576896458772/image.png?ex=65faa437&is=65e82f37&hm=1aaa6f406547399cc0bf970fc3de50fb45ddfb151818d4f63001545ac4cbd24e& [08:54:36] Yeah but they want the graphic to not show up on the page [08:55:11] Special:Upload [08:55:30] Put it in your sidebar [08:55:48] No they want Special:UploadWizard to by default not show that graphic [08:55:57] I've got both links so users can choose [08:56:09] Can't be done [08:56:13] Oh [08:56:19] It's the feature [08:56:29] Users can just disable it [08:56:31] I guess it could be hidden with CSS then [08:57:17] pass... No Idea how or if you can do that via css. But I guess those with css knowledge do know [08:58:56] Use DevTools to find a selector for whatever has the graphic in it then go to your CSS file and apply display: none to that selector [08:59:33] But wouldn't it be better to change the picture? Upload it locally? [08:59:47] Yeah probably [08:59:53] But they asked how to remove it altogether [08:59:55] I would do a video of myself explaining that- [09:00:14] I mean. They need to know, and then skip it [09:00:44] I'm not that photogenic [09:01:01] No, I mean, specifically for my wiki [09:01:33] Yeah I know. Just teasing [09:08:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214862109196947476/image.png?ex=65faa781&is=65e83281&hm=78f8bd6498cb8449306dfe4df3604366806417a77f966d939cad2a34c5923bc5& [09:13:19] does anyone know if i make a wiki if i can load my own fully custom css and fully customize everything like font, background image, etc. [09:13:31] yes [09:13:41] fully custom javascript as well [09:13:50] only rule is don't upload malware [09:15:05] malware = global ban, no doubt [09:15:28] ok thankyou. [09:15:34] I think if you posted a link to malware but made it clear that it's malware it wouldn't get you banned [09:16:35] I meant malware as in mining crypto on your visitor's browsers with JavaScript [09:17:57] [1/2] @tali64 could you remove this post from the #server-invites channel? I posted it over a year ago but I don't have control over that server anymore because that account got nuked [09:17:57] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1001373934874284112/1064669824703271042 [09:18:04] Oh yeah that makes sense [09:18:55] Done [09:39:02] Thanks [10:04:57] [1/2] Pro tip: those license guides from Wikimedia are svg and can be easily edited to your premise: [10:04:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214876364923215922/z.png?ex=65fab4c8&is=65e83fc8&hm=b8ec8bb4d363e3fa25c0d5d4aeb015676657fac6661066c4c6270c140eb65b9c& [10:06:19] yet you would still have to credit the og as the license required, unless you made an entirely difference file (that do not based from this) specifically to your wiki. [10:16:32] is it possible to make an element in the article that covers the entire page? kind of like having one object that covers the entire of the article (for some effects) [11:05:09] how do you change the svg then? [11:13:12] svg editor [11:13:42] MS Paint aint gonna help 😄 [11:33:39] I mean how do I upload the new file? [11:39:03] [1/6] fellas, unusual question [11:39:03] [2/6] aimed more likely at SRE or stewards [11:39:03] [3/6] is there a way to "dormancy history" of a wiki? [11:39:04] [4/6] the case - a wiki got closed at some point due to inactivity, and later was reopened and adopted by another user [11:39:04] [5/6] I'd like to see when and for how long the wiki entered the dormant state [11:39:04] [6/6] recent changes feed is limited to 180 days, so I can't use it to see things before December [11:39:13] or affinity designer since it work well with svg [11:43:18] yes, but it is not straightforward, and you'll never know the exact moment of when the wiki was made inactive. You're going to have to put multiple logs together for this, from both Meta and the wiki you're interested in. [11:45:36] [1/2] I only vaguely can tell that in August or September it was in closed state, and I guess I can find re-open date per Meta [11:45:36] [2/2] dormancy closure isn't fetched by RC? [11:46:00] the script that does that doesn't leave public logs iirc [11:46:11] I'll check [11:46:15] or at leas find when was the last edit before reopen [11:46:27] but that means going far beyond 180 days [11:47:03] that's not possible unless you scrape the entire wiki, because RC entries that you can't see on the wiki don't even exist on the database [12:19:04] Not certain it is, but you could check WebArchive? [12:19:35] Perhaps they have a copy of the pages with activity on it? [12:22:30] I dunno man, lots of pages got created after reopen [12:22:35] I can only guess [12:22:46] and look at special: oldest pages [12:22:48] What is the wiki name? [12:22:54] I'll search [12:24:59] Have a link for me? [12:25:04] or wiki name? [12:28:34] seems like Special:AncientPages sorts by how long ago the last edit was from [12:28:48] not how old the page itself is [12:30:43] question: it's normal that ``.vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled`` was in the css? [12:33:47] later, there's chance it might be irrelevant now [12:41:11] [1/2] I just made a file for the UploadWizard, and it's now ready to be used for learning what to upload and what not. [12:41:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214915682555134082/D.png?ex=65fad966&is=65e86466&hm=6a7568c1be05b1fdc00c1ebf0ab0d82cdeedec6499681cb93a8bc9e13168d862& [12:43:43] So first I would enable instant commons and use it to fetch the local file name that the UW used. Then override it with your own version by upload that file with that name [12:48:13] You can also just add it to the upload text in MediaWiki [12:48:50] But at least I have done it the hard way so- [12:48:57] worth it [12:49:32] I also may have to edit stuffs around GitHub to make it absolutely working [13:10:41] [1/2] I kept it simple 😉 [13:10:41] [2/2] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Uploadtext [13:12:36] Yea, but is there any ways of changing it for the UploadWizard? [13:17:03] All pages have a text, I just have to find it for you 😄 [13:18:15] MediaWiki:FileUploadWizard.css [13:22:27] this is a CSS page... [13:29:35] Yeah, It's the only page I could find other then the normal ones. Still looking 😄 [13:33:23] [1/2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=upload&namespace=8&translate-hidetranslations=1 [13:33:23] [2/2] So many pages 😄 [13:36:06] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Upload.js [13:39:28] I don't think that is going to be a thing without direct modifing the repos [13:41:40] I agree. It has to be there somewhere, but wow, so many pages [13:41:49] yo [13:42:15] Do you lads know if there is any platform suitable for me to hire a freelancer or someone that can reliably modify the style of the wiki? [13:42:47] I believe the mediawiki Discord server has a channel for that [13:43:04] which one is it :ThinkerMH: [13:43:50] simply 'MediaWiki' at #server-invites [13:43:56] should be right about there but it's also pinned [13:46:20] Media Wiki Discord: #Skinning [13:46:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214932180581621792/image.png?ex=65fae8c4&is=65e873c4&hm=85bfe6de2e6f2f0e5b14b501a2b31e9f979bb4dc0010ded53d3d5a0a37bd855e& [13:46:48] https://discord.com/channels/178359708581625856/178361730986934273 [13:46:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214932238291173387/image.png?ex=65fae8d1&is=65e873d1&hm=26e56bd262760789f61c188d5d02791f7365c2a3dd5f8d3df5c597d2927a1f70& [13:47:49] they aren't in the server yet... [13:48:21] https://discord.gg/ZrV2Ex9 [13:49:01] thanks a lot lads 🙂 [13:50:09] Hmm, I couldn't invite [13:50:47] weird [13:50:53] they disabled it. The only way to get the link is go to `#info` [13:51:06] Ah okay [13:51:08] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:UploadForm.js [13:55:23] [1/2] I made steward requests counter ( [[User:Waki285/sandbox]] ) [13:55:23] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285/sandbox [13:55:23] [2/2] Are there any improvements? [13:55:24] [13:56:36] I can invite you to some freelancing servers I am in [13:58:15] I will first try the MediaWiki site, I much rather have someone with a bit of passion about his hobby than just straight up freelancer.. [13:58:26] If I fail to find someone I will dm you [13:58:29] Yes, that is a good idea [14:04:16] Very cool, definitely useful for stewards [14:05:47] Why do I constantly get logged out, like every 1-2 hours? [14:06:22] (i posted it to comportal too) [14:06:24] this is a everyday thing [14:06:33] tbh I have no idea [14:06:38] I mean [14:06:42] I know but [14:06:58] could it possibly be that token session is too short? [14:07:06] or is it just a bug [14:07:10] if u have any idea [14:07:20] I forgor [14:07:31] but it hasn't been hours for me, usually a day [14:08:37] when I am afk editing/translating a page, u know, like taking like 1-2 hours to do it (because of multitasking for personal reasons), I get logged out after attempting publish to edit, oddly enough [14:09:23] I know there is a session expiry when editing, and that's not a Miraheze thing, but more of a MW thing, but what I'm talking about is something else [14:11:27] I see... Ticking keeping yourself logged in doesn't help [14:11:51] yeah [14:12:56] Btw, Agent just give me another set of questions. Let's see how he react to it [14:17:05] Congradulations to @rodejong on becoming a wikicreator!! [14:17:30] Why do to have to be so fast? [14:18:35] I like to keep an eye on things 👀 [14:18:44] Too closely it seems [14:18:50] Haha [14:18:52] Ig [14:19:03] we're also big brother #meta-feed, we can see everyone from here [14:19:46] Yeah, I might have just seen it there 🤭 [14:20:09] ||BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU|| [14:20:22] lol [14:26:44] and then there's me just not being logged out at all for quite a long time [14:27:17] there has to be some sort of behavior taking place to cause it and it's not the first time I've heard of it so I would hope there might be a phorge task to refer to or if not one should be made [14:27:53] could be interesting if it's automatic & perhaps hosted on the central SR page [14:28:17] I also have had the logged out issue. I don't think its new [14:28:26] I know I've heard of it for some time [14:28:49] Yep, Waki suggested adding it to the SR page on the community portal [14:29:00] if sre can't spot anything on their end then I'd wonder about browser, wiki attachments... dunno how much else though [14:30:17] this is a forced implementation of counting the number of "In progress" appearances on the SN page (anyway I will post it on SN central in a while) [14:30:38] That is a good way to keep track of them [14:31:08] the problem is with reproducing the issue. Current theory as far as I remember is it is related to the cache where we store user sessions [14:33:01] only way we can pinpoint the issue more is by a complete log with all headers of every single request from the moment someone logs in to the moment the logout happens, which we don't have and probably never will [14:34:13] A question for those, when the logout happened did you browse to another wiki, for example? [14:34:29] I think yes? [14:35:14] Like, awhile after I go to a wiki that I first come, it would just make me logged out at Meta [14:35:23] I mean logging in on one wiki, then time later browsing to another wiki (and have the logout happen after going to that wiki) btw [14:36:22] a clearer idea of who, when, how often and behaviors (ie swapping around wikis, I know I've had odd behaviors related to custom domains I can pin directly to my config but it rarely kicks out completely) would help isolate [14:36:24] You see, there's actually two separate sessions created when you log in by CentralAuth, it is possible the cache has evicted the data related to the global session, then because you don't have a valid global session anymore, all your other sessions are terminated [14:39:33] [1/2] copypasting for IRC users: ``` [14:39:34] [2/2] You see, there's actually two separate sessions created when you log in by CentralAuth, it is possible the cache has evicted the data related to the global session, then because you don't have a valid global session anymore (which CA checks when doing autologin, for example when you browse to another wiki), all your other sessions are terminated ``` [14:43:07] It's not that, probably [14:44:00] my guess is as good as anyone else really [14:44:48] Memcached used to evict keys when it got full but ever since we quintupled cache capacity, it still happens even though Memcached is like 25% full [14:45:05] so either way, we switched to Redis which wouldn't kick out keys but it still happens [14:45:14] so we think it's browser related [14:45:29] As browsers work towards deprecating third party cookies, they start messing with CentralAuth [14:46:35] hi [14:47:44] hello [14:48:32] welcome [14:54:44] I had requested a wiki a long time ago, and it was immediately accepted, but later I forgot to use and fill the wiki. Are unfilled wikis deleted after a time period? [14:56:15] usually yes, but after a long whiles [14:56:32] see [[Dormancy Policy]] for more details [14:56:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormancy_Policy [14:56:33] [15:00:12] "If no user has requested the reopening of a wiki at least 120 days after the closing of a wiki (minimum 180 days/6 months inactivity) and it still remains inactive, it will be marked as deleted. Two weeks after that, it will become eligible for permanent deletion" yeah it should have been deleted [15:01:20] still, it's better to looking for your wiki first [15:01:59] You're right [15:02:10] if it really isn't there, get on there and get your wiki up, again [15:05:51] I wonder if they respond to requests as quickly as they used to because they were got a thunder's speed [15:07:42] As long as they are available [15:08:11] Should I disable MobileFrontend if my skin (Citizen) it already mobile adaptive? [15:08:49] Y E S [15:09:03] MF may messes up the UI and stuffs [15:10:53] How will MediaWiki keep you logged on without cookies? [15:11:52] Wdym? [15:12:56] Uh, I remember having issues with certain skins that I used with it enabled [15:13:21] but it was from a long time, like few years ago whiles I'm making my wiki here [15:14:49] so yea, either it's responsive, or extensively modifing CSS. [15:38:39] @Meta-Wiki Administrators mind if we tap on `autopatrolled` to Rodejong? [15:39:42] [1/3] Did you check your wiki to see if it's just closed? If you're a bureaucrat you can reopen it. [15:39:42] [2/3] Otherwise, you can check the list here to see if it's "deleted". If it's in this list, you request it be undeleted on [[SN]]. [15:39:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SN [15:39:42] [3/3] If not there, then you'll need to request a new wiki. [15:39:43] [15:40:06] [1/2] Oops. Sorry. Here's the list of "deleted" wikis: [15:40:07] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:DeletedWikis [15:40:43] I'll but i forget my both username and password [15:40:50] :p [15:43:16] we should give to patrollers the ability to add autopatrolled honestly [15:43:34] Would be nice [15:43:43] Though it makes some level of sense why not [15:44:00] I had proposed something similar a bit ago but I forget [15:44:11] sure doesn't to me [15:44:47] Ehhhh, patrollers are patrol and rollback....guess so [15:44:51] It's trustworthy enough [15:44:55] and autopatrolled is little to none [15:45:37] [1/2] waiting 3 days and still in review and the only comment is myself asking when itwill get approved [15:45:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214962097583038525/image_2024-03-06_172955485.png?ex=65fb04a0&is=65e88fa0&hm=88cf589faa9cafbb9310607cfaee08f767d9d74cff5f55d43ac28709c6ad7d8e& [15:49:15] drop a link at least [15:50:10] We currently have a shortage of wiki creators at the moment; hopefully more wiki creators will be onboarded soon to prevent this from happening again [15:50:12] patroller adding autopatrolled would give it a more functional purpose [15:50:27] I find patroller an inherently useless function and rejected it for that reason at one point [15:50:46] Thanks for bearing with us, as Tali mentioned there's a substantial backlog but we've got folks onboarding to get things back on track very soon. [15:50:53] we got a couple wiki creators but they are new and need to settle in [15:51:12] [1/2] i got a very funny bug with my wiki....... i have no idea how this happened XD [15:51:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1214963501681082439/image.png?ex=65fb05ef&is=65e890ef&hm=93bb0b20936b80f0652a116f54a109887b7db0f3fdd9b280bca7f0fd36b617db& [15:51:17] I could probably nibble whenever successful but then maybe they'll be on a roll by then [15:51:30] a footer header, nice [15:51:37] right! [15:51:45] that is not supposed to happen lol [15:51:48] good thing people see license first [15:51:56] hahahaha [15:51:57] how you did this tho lol [15:51:58] it's an interesting concept [15:52:04] no idea! [15:52:07] I assume something about shifting blocks around in a way that reordered them [15:52:14] a link to the css or even js would be nice [15:52:17] Honestly, I think it looks nice in an odd way [15:52:25] I was thinking about placing license not in place where wiki tagline is [15:52:45] i was trying to fix alot of problem i encountered with that thing: .vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled [15:52:46] under page title, you know [15:52:48] more useful than the tagline probably [15:53:12] here the css code source [15:53:13] https://miaruniverse.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css [15:54:01] feel free to help me troubleshooting that code [16:04:09] since the theme were completely different from my local wiki due to version 1.39 and 1.41 difference... XD; [16:05:16] yeaaaa those small versions changes are annoying :moonch: [16:18:06] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/41784 [16:31:19] A wiki creater will get to it wheng they have time. They are unpaid volunters. Please be good-at-waiting. Adding uneeded comments will not get yrour wiki appoved any faster [16:31:44] jhongame was asked to drop the link [16:32:51] yes i was asked [16:33:00] I noted the comments on it. [16:33:24] I thought polandball wikis was not allowed? [16:33:37] You are correct, new ones are not [16:33:39] by my understanding it would not be approved [16:33:47] oh [16:34:06] sorry! XD; i managed to fix the problem [16:34:12] Just wondering, why would polandball wikis not be appoved? [16:34:57] yeaaah, I suspected this might be the reason but wasn't sure [16:35:02] In a nutshell, Content Policy provision 5 [16:35:21] i didn't know i cant translate the polandball wiki into Hebrew [16:36:31] There isn't currently any provision explicitly banning polandball and as such they're not "banned", it's just that in practice in order to satisfy wiki creators that they will comply with the CP, they will need to provide extra information/details [16:36:33] I did not know about the toxic commityu of pololand ball wikis. I do stay out of wiki drama and focus fully on Taerel so I know little about the commuties of other wikis [16:36:43] And if that's not convincing then they would not get approved [16:37:36] [1/4] @jhongame content policy section five so you know and I think that is why it was declined} [16:37:36] [2/4] 5. Miraheze does not host wikis where the community has developed in such a way as to be characterised as toxic. [16:37:37] [3/4] This may include wikis where there have been repeated personal attacks, harassment of users, 'doxing', hate speech and other Code of Conduct violations and where local administrators have ignored, enabled, and/or done little to stop this. Stewards and/or Global Sysops will attempt to remediate the issue first where possible with local administrators and the co [16:37:37] [4/4] mmunity. [16:37:58] oh sorry ok 😦 [16:37:58] Athria, I think they understood [16:40:01] Just wondering, how common are delinces under section #5? [16:40:08] Common enough [16:41:44] Just supised how many commuties do become toxic on wikis [16:41:50] How would one avoid that? [16:41:51] many can tbh [16:42:14] sometimes it's avoidable with strong moderation and sometimes that's just the type of group that forms around a subject regardless of the individual intents of the creator [16:42:53] yup [16:42:58] for example I know jhongame does not have toxic intent: the issue is what arises from the communities at scale and how it causes unique maintenance burdon to the platform similar to reception wikis, not the individual intent of the creators [16:43:17] it can be but I don't get that feel here [16:44:43] I guess there is not enough volunteers to deal with such wikis and all the other wikis [16:45:04] well for reception wikis for example a majority of my time as steward was specifically attending to them so they did not draw at other steward attention [16:45:31] for a time agent became the polandball steward having to wrangle them from a platform perspective largely on his own [16:45:42] I guess they take up so much time hard to deal with other stuff [16:46:07] actually before we got a lid on it polandball became far messier than even reception wikis managed to do which was sort of impressive [16:46:25] the polcompball line more specifically [16:46:26] I didn't receive any password reset email for hours any suggestion? [16:46:32] spam folder? [16:46:39] I mean, they were kicked off fandom in far louder manner than reception wikis? [16:46:58] are you sure you attached email to your account tho? [16:47:14] Yeah im pretty sure [16:47:15] Pretty inpressive to be kicked off miraheze and FANDOM and maybe even other platforms [16:47:16] that was around the time fandom started to really kick things simply because it didn't like them, reception wikis were a bit more targeted I think [16:47:26] I already checked out [16:47:46] hours is unusual, hm [16:47:50] There's been some other reports as well, I've notified SRE that it's still ongoing. [16:49:27] blah i though i really fixed the problem but it's still there.... [16:49:29] Thanks [16:50:33] it see that vector skin use grid to mess up with it... [16:54:31] but some know where i can make a Polandball Hebrew wiki? [16:55:00] or all places Baned it? [16:55:43] i will stop mess around the css for now, so here the current version of CSS code: https://miaruniverse.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css the problem is indeed the grid feature that mess with my css... [16:56:48] regrettably there's no real farm I can think of that would go for it short of you going self host or to very obscure options like editthis that I would not recommend [16:57:12] oh ok [17:00:37] finally done the content policy... ([[Content Policy/vi]]) [17:00:37] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy/vi [17:00:38] [17:17:18] very cool [17:17:27] unfortunately going to need to do it again when the rfc passes :p [17:18:10] that's why I'm holding off w/ translation lol [17:18:39] (I translated Content Policy in mid 2022, only to see it getting rewritten soon by RfC) [17:35:40] well, since my css has some problem, i decided to resume the transfer of templates from my local wiki [18:01:34] most of them can be done with GT so, not that hard for me. the only thing that is not convenient that is it would never get the `Stewards` or `Global Sysop` correctly. [18:02:43] So, not that hard, so easy that Vietnamese Wikipedia has to restrict Content Translation Tool to extended-confirmed. (30/500) [18:05:46] so that's a bit of an issue I'm afraid as miraheze explicitly discourages the use of GT and by far prefers hand produced translations unless you mean GT to take out the bulk and you comb manually for sensibility [18:08:13] that is my style for getting things translated and working sinces 2023 [18:09:16] it's sad that a great tool in our WP are being abused to the point that legitlimate users can't contribute with it [18:14:17] I guess it's my time to out for the night. [20:41:05] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_website [20:41:12] welp [20:41:17] I tried [20:41:32] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox [20:54:56] Guys I tried to used a class to give this table a background-image. It didn't work what should I do? [20:55:22] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215040046462275705/Screenshot_20240306_205058.jpg?ex=65fb4d39&is=65e8d839&hm=123846ed33666e11b3c881b3a5a70d989938785151268c5b6ceaf4a1344bc036& [20:55:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215040046755872768/Screenshot_20240306_205016.jpg?ex=65fb4d39&is=65e8d839&hm=cbc34deb2c02313f0b60bca94df0d540b21560048d618718b3c2dbd6b6524445& [20:55:26] y’know MacFan4000 you should probably join the Discord [20:56:10] Oops never mind [20:56:46] no feel free to ask questions haha, I was just adding a note in there [20:57:47] Congrats @rodejong [20:58:13] I'm not sure macfan actually has a discord account [20:58:29] not the worst if he doesn't tbh [20:58:45] he does not I don’t think [20:58:48] he’s IRC [20:58:50] although it's defacto become the cases anyone more involved probably should [20:58:58] but something like meta admin, eh [20:59:07] True though ideally SRE [20:59:07] and he's gotten on with sre [20:59:39] though I can't say having never been involved on that side and I know they do more things through discord than ever now [21:00:27] I’m pretty sure we even got rid of the internal comms bridhes [21:00:40] It definitely doesn’t exist anymore for WCs [21:00:59] well the wc was never officiated anyway [21:01:18] but I know for cvt for sure it broke down as everyone cvt is discord accessible and it's a million times simpler [21:01:34] cvt being gs as present & stewards [21:02:13] MacFan4000: ^ [21:03:08] yeah [21:03:32] There’s a CVT channel I have access to but unsure if that’s where GS does their business as well [21:03:53] unless something radically changed since my time I bet it's dead, buried and overgrown with trees [21:04:15] its last proper use likely corresponds with the last use of the long-abandoned cvt action log [21:05:12] You copied from Wikipeida, did you? 😉 [21:05:29] I mean Discord haha [21:05:51] Basically FurrNations is a hybrid of Wikipedia and MicroWiki [21:06:02] but for furry micronations [21:06:07] Hm, I still suggest homebrew templates [21:06:40] I doubt it would see all that much more use as I imagine coordination would likely directly be between stewards and possibly including anyone lower as-needed [21:06:50] Read: 12 hours, 6 cans of Monster and lots of soda of failed work [21:07:22] I do think, especially in case of cvt wiki the lower level should be the primary communication area and the deepest level only for sensitive exchanges, ie how cvt wiki is supposed to have everything short of nda and steward was being arranged to have nda locked content [21:07:52] it’s rarely been used [21:07:56] likely the stewards channel more [21:08:04] likewise chitchat should be encouraged in as low a level as possible to include as many people as possible even if it could go to a more internal room for inclusivity's sake [21:08:05] or GS + S as needed if it exists [21:08:09] yes steward channel would most likely be most used [21:08:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215043293596098620/image.png?ex=65fb503f&is=65e8db3f&hm=90f88bdad1f13c616f11a88db30a154512e46ffb32d21b625b2d0df735f0d9dd& [21:08:18] in my time it was its own chat but I believe the one I'm thinking of is defunct [21:08:28] I see CSS oddness there [21:08:32] there’s also 6 stewards so reduces the need for the rest [21:08:47] yes, top heavy stewards and until very recently no gs = no need to use anything else [21:08:49] Seems Miraheze is getting lots of volunteers again [21:08:50] since it’s Labster at GS (with NDA access as Board chair) and me [21:09:03] luckily [21:09:09] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:FurrNations:Today%27s_featured_article [21:09:25] gr has never been built in too deeply and for example in your case you already have direct lines where needed, lab also has lines as needed so using the 'official' venue is not really needed probably [21:09:36] I do think the main volunteer server should be the nexus as much as possible [21:09:40] That too [21:09:48] Jaro is actually still in there [21:09:54] wellp there you go [21:09:56] with just the member flag [21:10:03] though no channel access of course [21:10:11] it has room to be improved [21:10:15] we should look to expand, yeah [21:10:17] still like the emeritus volunteer idea [21:10:27] not even with sensitive access, just more general access [21:10:51] Yeah, a general channel could be useful [21:10:53] tap experienced/involved shoulders in a way that can deal with problems as they come up without making an open fuss [21:11:05] the more people actually say hello to each other the better, that's always been a problem [21:11:29] stewards, wiki creators, cvt, sre, t&s, these should not be islands that don't bump shoulders until something explodes [21:11:34] hmm yeah I like the idea that we do that, definitely would increase collaboration [21:12:04] SRE, community, legal are all separate servers I believe [21:12:06] and of course being able to bs from time to time is plain healthy and may improve coordination further [21:12:12] though SRE and legal might be joint [21:12:22] they used to be, and a split venue from stewards [21:12:38] I believe that is a mistake; they shouldn't all be in the same room per se but they should all have a common room to use [21:13:51] db141 was a mess but what helped clean up the mess somewhat was actually being able to reach the widest possible variety of volunteers through the cabal channel, which consisted of sre, stewards, and involved parties who could all somewhat come up with an approach that made things more sensible even though it was still kind of a shitshow [21:13:59] That’s very true [21:14:37] wiki creators should be able to internally go 'ay wots with this', sre should be able to disseminate info efficiently, and so on and so forth [21:14:39] Hmm we’ll definitely look into it I imagine and hope that it gets done [21:14:52] I’m probably of the opinion of a single volunteer server [21:14:58] rather than split them all [21:15:09] with the Board chair or DT&S having server owner [21:15:34] the server is there but there should be some unity even if it's sre and co having their own server but being able to operate in the volunteer server's common room so they can chitchat or pass on seriously important notes [21:15:45] given how much goes through discord anyway [21:16:01] I feel like separate servers would dissuade that [21:16:16] one joint server does a lot more for bringing it all toguefer [21:17:16] one step at a time; at least offer the room, and if the desire to truly unify grows from that then perhaps they could [21:17:29] yeah [21:17:37] hmm [21:17:41] definitely I gave up [21:17:45] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215045681354506370/image.png?ex=65fb5278&is=65e8dd78&hm=11f92d70b639fa37277e734fab3c96442c79b1e64ff1294c7965fff18f979582& [21:18:27] also [21:18:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215045869334700173/image.png?ex=65fb52a5&is=65e8dda5&hm=d29a55b11d12b2ec45b61cd61c20663d5f6f9a6838b7a9f4c44173919279e5fd& [21:18:43] WOOOOOOOO [21:18:52] https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-clap-clapping-clapping-gif-gif-13465728489229726846 [21:18:53] @rodejong [21:25:51] And thanks 😄 [21:26:32] I also used the last of my super reactions on the announcements since my nitro trial runs out tomorrow [21:26:43] you know I've had the most mixed of luck trying to tell server mods in some places to delete something clearly suspicious either because it was a dodgy server link that wanted account api access or was literally an ip grabber [21:26:59] what needs deletion? [21:27:08] nothing here, just a general muse [21:27:17] this of course is on the ball [21:27:35] and generally free of that kind of edgelord in the first place who'd post those things [21:28:28] It’s mainly just compromised accounts [21:32:13] generally yes [21:32:22] but there are some who are not [21:32:48] the type who'll post a legit message, edit in something problematic and get in a row with you for calling it out on the spot [21:50:41] GS has a relayed private channel [21:50:55] I do have a discord account that doesn’t get much use [21:51:09] You should def use it if you want [21:51:37] In my experience it’s also easier to navigate [21:53:10] there's a familiarity curve and it may be useful if you want to reach a somewhat larger audience ie, pms and satellite servers [21:53:18] not much point if you don't want those things though [22:34:50] [1/2] the [[Help:Global blocks]] page has an WikiSEO error [22:34:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Global_blocks [22:34:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1215065082405458020/image.png?ex=65fb648a&is=65e8ef8a&hm=62cad9132dbaa20438a91230821d37e34467d88ef831d93f4069db4c5e69d283& [22:34:52] [22:42:53] fixed [23:48:24] can you directly rename a page? [23:49:25] you rename a page by moving it. you can leave a redirect or not, as you choose. [23:49:32] you can move pages to a new name, that's the only way it works really ^ [23:50:05] suppressing the redirect would be a conventional no-traces move [23:50:08] alright, ty!