[00:09:14] <.labster> Can we? I’d like to do that [00:09:58] IIRC there was an RfC to establish a Wikidata-like Miraheze project, but it didn't pass [00:11:31] https://jwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Property:P1 [00:12:00] <.labster> Wow, hot property [00:13:36] 😄 [00:14:56] [1/2] To me it is non-sensical as I have to personally update all Q's manually which are used by only 1 page. [00:14:56] [2/2] That's why I want to pull the data from external sources [00:31:49] <.labster> Your main use is just pulling external sources, right? [00:32:34] <.labster> Or did you want to add more attributes? [01:33:37] [1/2] Hey all - decided to not go the json media content route and just write a parser to insert all the pages based on the json, which leads me to my next question. I've created a bot account and assigned it the `bot` usergroup, and was attempting to create the pages programmatically, and received a warning after a short while. Is there another way that bots are supposed to authenticat [01:33:37] [2/2] e for wikis? This might be more of a MediaWiki question, actually... [01:38:08] Can you send a screenshot of the warning you recieved? [01:39:32] ah - i might have closed the console with it open, let me grab it again. One moment [01:39:37] To send images, you have to authenticate first though. [01:39:48] So try /auth when your free [01:40:49] I'm using a nuget package called `WikiClientLibrary` which handles authentication to the bot user account via password [01:41:19] I mean't auth on discord [01:42:32] ahh gotcha! [01:43:45] Thanks for that [01:43:53] No proble, [01:46:48] Ahhh, i was only looking at the resultcode, the message for this was that it tried to upload the same file a second time. Thanks for being a great rubber duck! [01:47:57] Haha [01:48:02] No worries [01:48:22] Sometimes it just takes explaining something to figure out what went wrong [01:48:37] 🦆 [01:50:50] [1/5] For me, I only want to keep certain data up to date, as they often rotate each year. [01:50:50] [2/5] 1 Kingdom Hall can have up to 5 congregations, and they rotate meeting times. [01:50:51] [3/5] To change those meeting times manually every year, (And some do that twice a year) is to much work. [01:50:51] [4/5] So it would be great if I can just pull the data, when it is requested. [01:50:51] [5/5] As my visiting numbers won't be high, and certainly most pages might get a visitor per year if I am lucky, it wouldn't be much traffic being generated from my wiki to jw.org. [01:51:57] [1/4] See: [01:51:58] [2/4] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Kristiansand_Kingdom_Hall [01:51:58] [3/4] and [01:51:58] [4/4] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Mandal_Kingdom_Hall [01:54:07] Some congregations in Norway for example (often those Kingdom Halls with only one congregation) have a Winter and Summer time schedule, where the have Sunday meeting at 14:00 in the winter time, and in the summer at 11:00 [01:55:08] That means I would have to change that time on 2 pages. The congregation page, and the Kingdom Hall page [01:55:47] So that is why I so desperately want the External Data connection working. [01:56:12] <.labster> And what is the external connection to? Wikidata, some other API? [01:56:27] https://apps.jw.org/api/conventions/convention-congregation-list/ [01:56:50] https://apps.jw.org/api/conventions/convention-congregation-list/NOR?name=Mandal [01:59:30] <.labster> I don't really know this for sure, but I think you can't use Wikidata directly with arbitrary APIs. You'd need some sort of bridge code, either to convert into wikidata, or just some parser function that understands this API, and can convert it into wikicode [02:00:18] It shouldn't connect to Wikidata though, should it? [02:01:02] I mean.. The reason to test Wikidata was to see if an external connection could be made [02:01:19] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data [02:01:36] This one should make that possible? [02:01:52] That depends on Wikibase I believe [02:03:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218741406596857906/image.png?ex=6608c462&is=65f64f62&hm=ce4bed5b2d392f6dfc81723f384e9ae639a34893a4dd401dcd5162838a7a2720& [02:04:09] <.labster> Yeah, this sounds better for your use case [02:04:35] Just haven't been able to get it talking 😄 [02:05:31] There is no documentation to make modules from [02:06:27] <.labster> This one has lots of documentation though https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data/Retrieving_and_displaying_data [02:09:31] <.labster> heh, External Data supports SPARQL queries: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data/Web_pages/examples#Wikidata_-_individual_entry [02:09:51] 😮 ? [02:16:44] [1/2] Legacy mode [02:16:44] [2/2] Legacy mode is enabled, when $wgExternalDataAllowGetters = true;. Only in legacy mode, Data retrieving functions are available, as well as Lua functions other than mw.ext.externalData.getExternalData(). This mode is kept for backward compatibility. [02:17:16] So is `$wgExternalDataAllowGetters = true;` enabled as true or false? [02:20:15] Or ... legacy... it's not really available? [02:20:49] [1/2] It's 3:30 almost. [02:20:49] [2/2] I have to get to bed, and do this tomorrow. [02:21:06] Can't think straight anymore 😄 [02:58:16] [1/2] why isnt it working? [02:58:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218755255504732181/W8CnIrq.png?ex=6608d148&is=65f65c48&hm=d2944fb70941d709a0d9c9f08d37ee07e26efcba508c0413fcc9c39fd5b3cd5d& [02:59:12] @rodejong [03:02:20] okay it works [03:02:29] apologies for pinging you, ro [03:03:16] was just trying to take some stuff and put it in my wiki [03:53:57] <.labster, replying to rodejong> I don't know why those functions are considered legacy honestly. You can call parser functions inside of templates, of course. But then you don't get the full data structure inside of Lua. [05:10:48] How difficult would it be to switch all the infoboxes on a wiki from portable to the regular ones a:1380pepemitniytip: [05:19:16] I'd imagine probably difficult [05:19:26] Every infobox has to be manually switched [05:26:15] It would be difficult and also pointless [05:26:24] Unless you have really specific needs, PortableInfobox should be fine [05:26:37] CSS and JS can fix most problems you'd have with PI [08:51:34] <.labster> You don't have to switch all of the infoboxes, just the ones that need to do something complex anyway. [10:22:00] [1/3] does anyone know how I can get rid of that white bar between menu items and logo? [10:22:01] [2/3] thank you if you can help [10:22:01] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218866924759416912/image.png?ex=66093948&is=65f6c448&hm=0949f35a7049c20ee47613438be0df095cfb2d672b7da36d406b7d16fc97d266& [10:56:21] [1/2] i tried importing this template [10:56:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218875566619361351/djLLI9U.png?ex=66094154&is=65f6cc54&hm=a4bb3cf2f9568f40b978fd85f7b2d21286aae203c7dbb07f56caab48b891d3ce& [10:56:36] many others have this error though [11:29:29] It has to be some VERY specific stuff for it to not be doable with a PI though. There is almost nothing that can't be done with PI (the key being you have things like the navigation tag that takes straight up any wikitext in them, if all else fails) [11:32:26] kick [11:33:37] [1/2] this account creation spam is like a plague to us [11:33:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218884947977175080/2024-03-17_14_33_13.png?ex=66094a11&is=65f6d511&hm=7258757b031a23416df682e8560242ecc9078479553ac5a6d8c6fdaab4af4fe3& [11:41:10] making a rule to the effect of one account per user, monitoring these events and having stewards enforce may be a way to deter [11:41:39] at least if they're being created as a source account on the same wiki [11:49:24] abuse filter rule? I'm just zero at abuse filter and never understood how to or where change its settings [11:51:27] query labster on that probably [11:51:44] @bluemoon0332 another logout on new wiki visit [11:52:01] tempted to give a chrome base browser a try for a while and see if it makes any difference [11:53:15] I'd guess this isn't a case of 2+ people sharing one computer. [12:04:18] No, as it seems 3 same user names, just with a different number [12:05:02] Me too [12:05:27] we got a lot of such account creations, same username w/ small differences [12:05:46] we can't fathom why they do this in the first place [12:05:52] Block the IP [12:06:02] we can't block IP's lol [12:06:07] ?? [12:06:20] We can't? [12:06:21] only abuse filter can block IP if its account got banned [12:06:25] by default [12:06:33] On Wikipedia they can [12:07:19] Never tried it though [12:07:20] I mean, we can't see IPs of registered account, we have to fill checkuser request @ stewards on a sock suspect [12:08:02] we just want to limit registration per IP first [12:08:33] no another account registration from an IP which already registered a first account [12:08:47] I just send them through MH:Login first. Anonymous users can't login on my wiki [12:30:04] yeah I'd work on that with @.labster if looking to use abuse filter to make a measure [12:30:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218899350399356969/remix-42e66458-06a6-4c04-8ea4-668b12e1320b.png?ex=6609577b&is=65f6e27b&hm=82aa04f3003a320cbdccdd2953229c3d6e659df40dd546f765fd5d399a35e0fc& [12:30:58] [1/2] Is miraheze disallow to advertising and begging about other discord server? She doesn't want to join that server and the performer is an admin of that said wiki [12:30:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218899379340050473/Screenshot_20240317_183531_Discord.jpg?ex=66095782&is=65f6e282&hm=90e451b5b16c3a8923005804cab4e94d27aac0c82b1d647e5c491bb0f7c9a30c& [12:33:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218900004458987520/remix-1a4dfd9e-2425-461e-9797-686b7ee71e55.png?ex=66095817&is=65f6e317&hm=e538a5bc7710a04fd3a1cff7dba92bfba6661b455a45909c8de5c3046210b007& [12:33:47] He also asked for the server 10 days ago [12:33:56] This is not Miraheze [12:34:05] miraheze frankly doesn't care about the server thing [12:34:09] This is Mockuppedia [12:34:24] It's their policy [12:34:26] did you ever get bureaucrat or did that just never get resolved [12:34:42] fjattar's word seems final given he would be the primary bureaucrat if not [12:35:05] I asked to get a bureaucrat, but fjattar deleted the local election about my local election [12:35:30] this is the time when stewards would be able to intervene more promptly [12:35:48] if attempted or discussed again and fjatter intervenes, proceed to the [[SR]] [12:35:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR [12:35:49]

[12:37:05] *fjattar [12:37:08] although the problem then is that he might still be able to block your every effort since he's clearly not absent, he just doesn't give a fuck if his contrib history is as weak as last time I checked [12:37:17] I kinda don't care tbh, the guy's a pure obstructionist [12:38:00] Recently he blocked 2 users who he thinks he don't like/hate to without see their contributions [12:38:14] [1/2] okay so he's still administrator [12:38:14] [2/2] https://mockupedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop [12:38:23] try a local election asap and if he deletes again get a steward on deck [12:38:27] I can hotline one the moment he does it [12:38:56] fesko is still very very dead [12:39:00] For example: yigit eren edits well for fixing typos, but fjattar ban him because his personal reason [12:39:12] I'm more active than him [12:39:35] simplest way to depose him I think would be to get fja to intervene in a proper [[local election]] again which he will do because that's what he's always done [12:39:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/local_election [12:39:36]

[12:39:47] And i will make mockupedia respect the NPOV things [12:39:50] a steward will then intervene and either strip him of rights or threaten him with it on further intervention [12:40:23] if the bureaucrat election proceeds in your favor you would be able to address him directly for abuse of power [12:40:53] alternatively you can make the case on the spot with a collection of his greatest hit abuses and noting that the bureaucrat has never been bothered [12:41:19] [1/2] But if he deleted my local election once again... [12:41:19] [2/2] ...what will happens [12:41:31] again, report [12:41:36] he will not get away with it this time [12:41:39] cc @reception123 [12:41:57] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STkR_womu10 also the behaviour of Fjattar [12:42:08] (Not related to wikis and miraheze btw) [12:42:57] if you were to compile an on-wiki list of his disruptive activities including diffs and links to even the deleted pages for review you could call for an intervention [12:43:34] Is the intervetion is between me and miraheze stewards? [12:44:03] you would probably put the full report on [[SR/P]] [12:44:03] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/P [12:44:04]

[12:45:07] Should i put it on bureaucrat requests or removal? [12:45:33] just the removal section [12:45:46] Ok [13:02:20] Hello all, my Wiki request is still pending to be processed. May I know if This can be expedited? Thanks. [13:05:15] I've made an inquiry [13:59:01] Hello [13:59:19] Hi [14:01:13] This name I got inspiration from Wikipedia with Wikimedia Foundation so I made Fictionalmedia Corporation I am glad that I can be part of the Miraheze community [14:01:13] Welcome aboard then! [14:01:15] Thanks [14:02:12] What’s your wiki link? [14:02:33] truvision.miraheze.org [14:02:37] We requested a wiki called TruVision, which will be our first project with the slogan "True Vision" from the word "True". [14:03:12] Nice! Is this a solo project? [14:03:25] Yes, the Romanian fictional wiki project [14:04:52] It will be the first project in our corporation. It's my first day on Discord. I've been on Discord before but from today I want to make a nice start. I will work on a new logo. I didn't have time to do anything big, the logo was made in a hurry [14:06:06] I'm glad that my fictional corporation can be part of Miraheze and I'm glad that I'm part of this project.😃 [14:06:42] Nice [14:07:08] Thanks [14:07:17] how's the request going? [14:08:06] It's under review, I hope to get to work soon [14:08:24] Is my first project of my corporation [14:10:21] when did you request it? [14:11:33] About a few minutes ago, 20, 30 minutes [14:13:58] I checked my email on the Meta website. Why am I not in the wiki verified role? [14:14:08] Go to #verify [14:14:17] Ok [14:15:10] Resolve [14:16:18] what will it be about? [14:17:42] Truvision will present fictional content from all fields, that is, something that is not real. Countries, televisions, towns, culture, news and other details [14:19:06] When the wiki is approved I will ask for help with a logo that I would like to put at the top of the site through Vector2010 and MinervaNeue [14:20:10] Before being here, I tried to consult with the skins, the editing style, etc. to better familiarize myself with the MediaWiki project [14:21:04] Adding a logo is fairly simple via ManageWiki [14:22:06] @fictionalmedia The ManageWiki menus are basically where you will be doing nearly all of the configuration for your new wiki [14:22:15] Ok [14:34:02] [1/2] It still continues [14:34:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1218930346796646514/image0.jpg?ex=66097459&is=65f6ff59&hm=af7445112a2d3141a160e7a6f66d15f5781b7072d11e97f4f32e7787ef88a38b& [14:36:16] you know the path to dealing with him [14:41:55] [1/2] Yeah [14:41:55] [2/2] I need to make a files about him [14:42:20] https://docs.google.com/document/u/5/d/1M_Eb1N-MXhkrekFZgu6FDn8OGCUTcEpJnfJxgGO_FuE/edit?usp=drivesdk like this [14:42:40] realistically it sounds like a local election is the quickest way to get him to overstep again and be forced into a corner [14:43:08] [1/4] Yeah [14:43:08] [2/4] But not now [14:43:09] [3/4] Maybe i will make it tommorow [14:43:09] [4/4] Because it's 9.43 pm for me [14:43:18] fair enough [14:53:41] what’s mockupedia about? [14:54:10] About mockups and concepts (mostly related to Operating System Mockups) [14:54:45] And what’s happening with this admin? [14:55:38] He begs for joining a server back [14:56:11]