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Something to warn about./div` [07:28:29] it's basic HTML+ CSS w/ a bit of wiki markup (bold header) [07:29:07] I suggest to learn it, it's always handy for any wiki admin [07:29:57] a lot of free tutorials online, like Mozilla Foundation or w3c school [07:30:55] start w/ simple stuff, smaller steps [07:31:24] then you'll be able to build more complicated stuff or understand such on other wikis, like Pizza Tower Wiki [07:32:36] speaking of [07:33:33] there's JS too, it's a pretty radical change of Timeless layout to resemble old Vector [07:36:11] [1/2] again - I suggest to look for simpler examples and start learning from basics [07:36:11] [2/2] I'm very proud of how my modest old Vector mods evolved into what SKL has done w/ Timeless, it's freaking amazing but it's really hard to comprehend if you have no knowledge at the beginning [07:50:14] <.labster, replying to cosmicalpha> [1/2] I absolutely understand the design choice in Lua, to always return true if a variable has a value. `""` is definitely a value of string, and `0` is a value of integer. And `false` is a value of boolean... but that wouldn't be useful for anyone. It would almost be more honest if the two boolean values were `true` and `nil`. [07:50:14] <.labster, replying to cosmicalpha> [2/2] Also this language sucks and you need libraries to do basic things. [07:52:01] Yep it makes sense I just don't like it. [07:55:36] I only ever seen Lua for Minetest mods, and I part understand such Lua [07:56:11] <.labster> I would do everything in Perl or Raku if I can, PHP is a close second. SQL is pretty good too (except for trailing commas,), SPARQL is not too bad, but has some wonky design choices. [07:56:23] Python? [07:56:45] <.labster> Nah, Python is a good language but doesn't fit my mental model for programming. [07:58:21] <.labster> Of course I'm old enough to have used FORTRAN, but I've mostly forgotten it. [08:04:36] I like Perl, C, C#, Python, Java, and PHP the best, and yeah SQL also. [08:07:13] I don't strongly like or dislike any language but while I understand the utility of Python the syntax just feels strange tot me [08:07:33] I'm used to languages like JS, C, C#, PHP, etc. so Python just feels odd [08:07:51] It definitely is when coming from other languages, the whole spaces thing always gets me [08:07:55] Yea [08:08:13] I always try to code it like either C# or PHP lol [08:08:45] Lol [08:09:09] but I do like Python overall it is fun. It was actually the very first language I knew but then I used C# and PHP more so it kinda overtook it and started confusing me lol [08:09:32] I started with web development, not sure why, it just was the first thing I learned and was pretty interesting [08:10:36] oh yeah that was one of my earlier stuff also. [08:13:22] <.labster> Yeah, I started with HTML, making imagemaps back in the days of yore [08:15:20] HTML is fun, it might have been my first also actually I just never counted it, as I hardly use it anymore. But it is an easy language. [08:19:18] <.labster> Well, I now have a template which invokes a module which queries wikidata, all of which drops a pre-populated infobox into a wiki page. That only took a week from knowing nothing about wikidata. [08:40:00] Imagine liking Python over Lua smh [09:08:19] [1/2] Can you put it in DEV 😄 [09:08:19] [2/2] I'm absolutely going nowhere. LUA is difficult to understand 😛 [09:09:28] <.labster> I can, but it’s kinda custom for one wiki. It would be like example code. [09:11:32] Yeah I get that. That would lead to more questions I guess [09:12:22] <.labster> Currently at https://kanrikyara.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Geninfobox [09:14:37] 😮 Yeah. I wood flood you with questions 😄 [09:14:58] Amazing [09:15:58] [1/23] ```local wantedProps = { [09:15:59] [2/23] book = "wdt:P18 wdt:P50 wdt:P136 wdt:P154 wdt:P155 wdt:P156 wdt:P577 " .. [09:15:59] [3/23] "wdt:953 wdt:P8345 wdt:P11994 wdt:P4073 wdt:P8419", [09:15:59] [4/23] } [09:16:00] [5/23] local propertyLabels = { [09:16:00] [6/23] title = "title", [09:16:00] [7/23] -- can't figure out how to fetch one language on this specific attribute, skipping [09:16:00] [8/23] -- ["original title"] = "P1476", [09:16:01] [9/23] ["logo image"] = "P154", [09:16:01] [10/23] image = "P18", [09:16:01] [11/23] author = "P50", [09:16:02] [12/23] genre = "P136", [09:16:02] [13/23] franchise = "P8345", [09:16:03] [14/23] ["preceded by"] = "P155", [09:16:03] [15/23] ["followed by"] = "P156", [09:16:04] [16/23] ["publication date"] = "P577", [09:16:04] [17/23] ["source url"] = "P953", [09:16:05] [18/23] ["wikis.gg id"] = "P11994", [09:16:05] [19/23] ["fandom id"] = "P4073", [09:16:06] [20/23] ["ao3 tag"] = "P8419", [09:16:06] [21/23] } [09:16:07] [22/23] ``` [09:16:07] [23/23] This part I get, but then... 😮 [09:23:51] <.labster> [1/5] ```local exists_arg = function(arg) [09:23:51] <.labster> [2/5] return arg and arg ~= '' [09:23:52] <.labster> [3/5] end [09:23:52] <.labster> [4/5] ``` [09:23:52] <.labster> [5/5] that's just me hating how empty strings are true [09:32:34] 0+0=0 [09:56:58] I've had 3 clicks from "iframe-toloka.com" and when I have googled it they say ita a Russian bot farm that floods a site. Is this something I need to be concerned about on my end? [09:57:45] 3 clicks? You mean referrals (from Special:Analytics)? [09:58:14] I assume its clicks, but its showing up in the website tab in MotomoAnalytics [09:59:01] https://totaltennis.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics#mw-section-website [09:59:51] I'm aware Miraheze/Wikitide have had issues with DDoS and stuff of this nature, which is the only reason I pass it along. [10:01:46] Hey all. I'm the bureaucrat of the The Mana World wiki, which you kindly approved a few weeks ago. Now, I've made sure the others on the team are fine with moving over and I'd like to request our current wiki to be imported. [10:02:49] I noticed the RequestImport page mentions an XML file to upload, but I could not find a quick way to export our current install to XML. It wants me to mention each page by hand. Hence, I wondered if an import based on an SQL dump could be done instead? [10:03:04] hey [10:03:26] if you're able to get a SQL dump, you should be able to run maintainance scripts, right? [10:03:38] you can get a full XML dump using dumpBackup.php [10:03:53] Yes, we're currently hosting the MediaWiki ourselves. [10:04:22] Alright, I'll ask an admin. Are there any parameters to keep in mind? [10:04:34] then please use that script, docs are at [[mediawiki:Manual:DumpBackup.php]] [10:04:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/mediawiki:Manual:DumpBackup.php [10:04:56] oops [10:05:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpBackup.php [10:05:50] And what do you need, to also import the images? [10:06:00] thorbjorn: yes, you should use --full to make a full export of your wiki, other than that please view that page [10:06:34] as for the images, that is a more manual process for now, you'll have to request that at [[Phorge]] once you have a backup of the images [10:06:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [10:08:13] Alright, and I see edit logs and deleted revisions will not be imported, which is a bit unfortunate, but maybe we can miss them. [10:13:29] history of pages should be imported? [10:13:55] you mean SQL doesn't do that? [10:14:06] it's not that it doesn't do that [10:14:30] it's that we don't support SQL dumps [10:14:36] ah [10:14:47] maybe try a scraper? [10:14:51] It does appear to include page history, just not the edit logs? [10:15:04] my bad [10:15:05] it does include page history, yyes [10:16:10] I think we can proceed without edit logs for now. Thanks for your help, Orange_Star! [10:16:19] np [10:24:08] Hello it's me again. I changed the page title but it does not show up on the page. May I know the reason of it and how to get it fixed? [10:25:21] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1219954928651604028/image.png?ex=660d2e90&is=65fab990&hm=2d57b39e39104f74bbf4054c187b2b587a7c56ea88b57fe7b62098b4e9b75d51& [10:25:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1219954928898801675/image.png?ex=660d2e90&is=65fab990&hm=86f41f65ed462e46afd7d160a1c71496642a86a02bb25206048d725ac725f82e& [10:28:27] The link to `dumpImages.php` is broken at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze#Exporting_images_via_maintenance_scripts [10:33:18] try https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpUploads.php [10:33:25] thorbjorn: ^ [10:35:10] Sounds good, thanks! [10:35:25] also, instead of tar please just zip them instead if you can [10:35:40] Alright, I'll make a note. [10:35:41] IRC messages are confusing I don't know who did you reply to.😂 [10:35:59] Anyone who can answer my question? Thanks. [10:41:09] li.ao: Are you sure $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; is set for your wiki install? Otherwise you can only make minor adjustments to the title with {{DISPLAYTITLE:...}}. [10:41:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:... [10:41:43] Thanks for the information, I'll check then. [10:42:13] May I know where is the special page which controls this setting? [10:42:38] should be on Special:ManageWiki/settings [10:42:51] Thank you. [10:49:31] There are many namespace categories. May I know which category does this belong to? [10:50:26] type in internal search bar "display", something should show up [10:51:57] on a related note @ sre, should someone create a phorge task to change default displaytitle settings? far not the first time current set up confuses users [10:56:43] I'm on the Special:ManageWiki/namespaces/0 page, and there isn't any options shown up typing "display" in the seach bar [10:56:48] *search [10:57:14] You should go to Special:ManageWiki/settings, not namespaces. [10:58:09] There's still no options under this page. [10:59:15] man [10:59:31] I just clicked on the link for entry and found this setting, thanks for help. [10:59:35] [1/2] I see it... [10:59:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1219963546037911572/image.png?ex=660d3697&is=65fac197&hm=d1d3034df438c719210bc4bff11ab0450ebf6eca06b8174a26d210c2bd8f5074& [11:00:05] (and that second option needs to be turned off, to be clear) [11:00:29] Thanks I just found that setting. [11:04:28] And I just changed again the display title the setting propagated onto the page, thank you for the help. [11:04:47] Thank you. [11:04:51] You're welcome. :) [12:46:58] Hmm, we've created a dump, but it does appear to include revision logs as well, under the tags. Or maybe that wasn't meant? Or is this information in there, but not imported? [12:50:00] this is imported and is meant to be there is you make the dump with --full [12:50:08] *is -> if [13:14:17] bluemoon0332: Yeah, the docs said "DumpBackup.php does not create a full backup of the wiki database, the dump does not contain user accounts, images, edit logs, deleted revisions, etc.", and I expected "edit logs" to refer to these comments. Maybe it's something else, and then I don't think we'll miss it. [13:24:41] {{DISPLAYTITLE}} only formats the text of the title, like putting all or part in italics. To rename the page, you have to move it. (Should be a drop-down option by the edit tab) [13:24:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:DISPLAYTITLE [13:24:42]

[13:29:02] it might be different in other languages, in Russian it's actually "rename" [13:29:32] but the option must be near "Delete" [14:01:52] I use it to override showing the new name of pages instead of changing the original name, because I don't want to name pages in the way to keep same as the title. [14:14:44] So, by default it can only do that, but if you set `$wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false`, then you can use it to display an entirely different title as well. [16:33:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220047639001956404/here_is_allaze.jpg?ex=660d84e8&is=65fb0fe8&hm=230efe6425d50644a075363cb660c57b03ec10192a8d4fcce01b60e86e2a3598& [16:34:05] joke aside, any of you know how to use that logo extension? [16:34:34] ping me for the logo thing [16:34:49] Good afternoon. [16:35:15] Does anybody knows wher do I find the Discord post I put the pin of "following"? [16:59:52] could you rephrase, I don't get the quesiton [18:35:56] Ok. [18:36:29] You mean posts you follow in a forum? [18:36:31] When I like a post in the Support channel, I pin them to follow it. [18:37:10] After enough time you’re automatically unfollowed [18:37:32] [1/2] I click on here, so I can check back in the future. [18:37:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220078788050813069/image.png?ex=660da1eb&is=65fb2ceb&hm=45d83f4a9d7aef924c5c5f150f573a46ef71700146ca0f47831f658d50885cdf& [18:38:03] but seems there's no a place where to look for the post I have been marking long ago. [18:39:43] [1/2] what following actually does is add it to the list here [18:39:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220079340180738311/image.png?ex=660da26e&is=65fb2d6e&hm=f6a37cf66049b7ca99414aab04d6a14e0cd8560eeff857979611c0eb7be071eb& [18:40:08] there's no other view as far as I know [18:40:56] Yeah [18:42:44] [1/2] Yeah, but mine after a few days, they disappear, unless is not a post made from myself. [18:42:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220080098703708201/image.png?ex=660da323&is=65fb2e23&hm=faf5571c5eeacf5136d24a3e941ca0c5ad8354ba5760dceec149effe64d4db6b& [18:43:47] There was a post which many were taughting a user to apply fonts in their wiki. (H1, H2... H5, normal text, italics, bold, etc.) [18:43:53] Now I'm lost. [18:47:17] I believe unfollows are automatic when threads are archived, which by default are somewhere between 3 days and a week [18:47:33] since last post [18:57:21] oh. [18:57:41] Now I need help to how to implement the fonts I installed on my wiki. [19:36:58] I’m still waiting for an answer about logo extension [19:48:06] what's logo extension? [20:07:27] Help in Support can take time, bc of the staff's knowledge, time availability and if they're resolving another issue. Be patient 🙂 [20:08:42] Understandable, thought, that was 5 hours ago XD [20:09:03] I’ve also never used it [20:09:13] I first checked the official page of logo extension but didn’t explained how to use it [20:09:31] link it please [20:09:40] One moment [20:09:45] I'm hearing about it for the first time [20:09:52] but I'm also heading out [20:21:30] what the... i apparently lost my authoficator... [20:23:04] LogoFunctions, I presume [20:24:32] got locked out... [20:24:56] 2FA? [20:24:59] can someone disable that two-factor thing? [20:25:00] yup [20:25:08] no idea HOW this happened... [20:25:11] Oh boy um [20:25:22] but before doing that [20:25:29] You need to contact SRE via email about that [20:25:40] i'm checking my email [20:26:07] @reception123 what’s the level of proof needed for SRE to disable 2FA again? [20:26:29] Guess it’s not in my email… [20:27:43] My recovery codes aren’t working and had no idea how this happened [20:28:09] Hm [20:28:15] I will try again [20:28:16] Is it your 2FA app that poofed or is Miraheze not accepting it [20:28:51] It depends on the situation, but the best would be if you mentioned an account somewhere else and you can say something from there [20:28:58] though also email access to the registered email [20:29:01] Practically impossibly high [20:29:05] The 2fa on my google authotificator lost the thing for my wiki [20:29:09] Email access is not enough [20:29:28] And that is the weird thing [20:29:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Reset_lost_credentials [20:29:51] If you’re recovery codes are also borked that’s very weird [20:29:58] Ok thx, i will do that asap [20:30:24] where do i go to talk to a mod about being abused by a user [20:30:36] On discord or on wiki? [20:30:40] wiki [20:30:45] Can you give a tad more context [20:30:59] a person leads a group about doxing, swatting, harassing [20:31:08] i sent emails but they lead to nowhere [20:31:18] that's why I said _also_ [20:31:20] @justafurrysamantha who did you email [20:31:33] am i allowed to post the emails here or would i get in trouble? [20:31:47] if you sent the emails then yes, but please DM me [20:31:49] If you tell us who you emailed, we'll have them check [20:32:20] I'm extremely concerned to hear about doxxing and swatting [20:32:40] I should probably add a hash identify to my account.. hmm [20:32:40] it is all the emails listed on the report site [20:32:49] How long ago [20:33:08] Do you know what the subject was? [20:33:27] [1/4] [2/4] Alex