[00:56:37] Hey all, quick question [00:57:36] I've been wanting to play with the Timeless skin, but when I go to ` MediaWiki:Timeless.css ` it says I don't have editing permissions despite my being the sole bureaucrat. But when I just go to ` Timeless.css ` it lets me edit [00:57:47] Does it make a difference which one I use? [00:57:50] you need to have interface admin [00:57:51] and yes [00:58:07] MediaWiki:Timeless.css is what applied globaly [00:58:40] For all visitors to my wiki, versus ... ? Just me? [01:00:15] All visitors; for custom styling to apply to you alone, it would have to be placed in User:[your username]/timeless.css [01:00:42] OK. All right I think I got it [01:01:09] So I just change permissions to allow bureaucrat to self-assign interface admin, then I go add it on my own profile? [01:01:43] Ah! Got it [01:01:49] Thanks yall [02:04:24] [1/2] cant upload [02:04:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220191250452320346/image.png?ex=660e0aa8&is=65fb95a8&hm=e0e80d272019a201d77e8d6f87649080de0472bbeed288eacdee504b841b97cc& [02:21:38] has it been fixed? [02:24:04] Way late but not too high, I’ve had it disabled before by virtue of having this Discord account for a while and Doug knew it was me [02:24:15] That’s how I got my account back in 2022 [02:30:39] let me see [02:43:56] [1/2] nope [02:43:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220201200750821427/image.png?ex=660e13ec&is=65fb9eec&hm=8e3001374cf5be3dde13321b61cd5c8c4b80edb5f06891e151b47244e1586017& [02:44:59] This is something I can't fix right ? [02:47:11] <.labster> Nope, I flagged SRE on this issue [02:53:12] <.labster, replying to sleepytail> Can you make a ticket on [[phorge:]] please? Copy-paste the whole error message there too, please [02:53:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge: [02:53:13]

[03:02:34] [1/2] here ? [03:02:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220205889177518090/image.png?ex=660e184a&is=65fba34a&hm=681c93e8aa28f28a67574da6447bcb74c1a608832a189e379efbfd03acb7a339& [03:02:46] <.labster> Yes [03:03:13] That's a lot of questions for simple bug [03:04:18] <.labster> If you want it solved? [03:04:29] <.labster> It might be a complex bug too [03:35:57] Good night everyone [03:37:26] done btw. I was more confused about the layout of that part of the wiki it ended up being rather simple. [03:39:21] Is there a guide which shows you how to assing H1, H2... H5 and plain text for new fonts? [03:48:05] [1/2] 💤 [03:48:05] [2/2] 🛌 [04:38:49] T__T [05:06:09] [1/2] I think the error Has to be because of the file name that must have trigger the error when I upload. [05:06:09] [2/2] Because I just took the name as I downloaded it but now I realized renaming at fixed it. [05:06:54] <.labster> Yes, but a file name should never trigger that bug [06:56:47] That doesn't apply to the vast majority of users [06:57:38] And nor am I that convinced that he had undeniable proof. That may have been a dougism. [08:40:05] So, generally speaking would a committed identity be a viable way to recover a lost 2FA account? [08:40:47] It makes me concerned to have 2FA and something unfortunate happen where I just lose access to my account. [10:12:35] does anyone here have a template for a home page? [10:12:50] i just created a wiki and idk where to start [10:19:04] i wish discord search on mobile wasn't this horrible [10:19:46] but in short - there's no universal kind of main page template, different wikis do that differently, some are simple, some are very complicated [10:20:12] I suggest to take a look at other established wikis for examples and see how they do things [10:23:19] Speaking of account recoveries? I just got my main Miraheze account back. It feels good to back on it. [10:23:53] man [10:25:02] What? [10:25:29] I verified this account, as seen here: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/647875094328115211/1220306241880981524 [10:26:22] I mean good to see back lol [10:26:31] Yep. [10:30:39] Welcome back [10:30:59] Thanks so much man. [10:34:29] It feels good to back, doesn't it guys? [10:34:42] Welcome back:) I recommend setting up [Committed identity](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Committed_identity) [10:34:49] + and of course, 2FA [10:35:55] I'm good right now on 2FA. But maybe a little later on the former. [10:39:37] But thank you for the suggestion anyway. [10:43:42] speaking of which, this gives me an idea [10:44:15] depends, for example if the commited identity reveals something only you know, then sure [10:44:18] perhaps establishing like a simple and standard main page "template" that any wiki can use, just like on Fandom before [10:44:41] if it's just a hash of "Hello world" it will not convince me at least [10:44:48] and I'm thinking of making it more akin to like wiki.gg wikis or something [10:46:21] it's good for newbies but then idk [10:46:48] I don't know what to recommend [10:51:20] [1/2] I would think a list of tutorials or main page design "templates" on the dev wiki or somewhere else would be cool [10:51:20] [2/2] obviously, there's not one universal way to create or design a main page, but I think some common basic templates/designs would be nice [10:53:34] External image not working (even though I already enabled the option in the wiki settings before)? [10:53:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220324431558217768/image.png?ex=660e86b1&is=65fc11b1&hm=254eb56f0f5778881d28a55e342d57dedde42208d33290ded7500220a6ac109c& [11:27:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Guy_who_likes_rice how creative [11:35:03] I don't see how that really matters. It's not a violation of the Username policy. [11:36:05] I am aware, just commenting on that I find the username funny. [11:36:15] I see. [13:16:44] [1/2] huh [13:16:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220360447149084773/image.png?ex=660ea83b&is=65fc333b&hm=80956e00a785a7c4b18a94bbbd8b4fa92986d823f0d90bdd98297f0a3842d858& [13:17:32] Never mind it's working again [13:25:52] Wake up babe new 504s just dropped lol [13:29:46] 502 [13:33:36] Wonder if there'll ever be a "Something went right" page? [13:35:07] got a 502 lmao [13:37:56] [1/2] Okay yeah I'm getting that now, too-- [13:37:57] [2/2] Good thing my twin sister didn't get it earlier though. [13:46:50] something really is wrong [13:47:32] Some servers appear to be down? [13:48:21] I think one of the MW* servers is down and causing a slowdown [13:48:39] It perhaps seems we're having an influx of requests [13:48:50] Looks like mw152 162 and 182 [13:49:00] It fluctuates [13:49:21] Maybe just needs a good kickstart? [14:00:00] it's not my nuke is it [14:00:11] Doubt it [14:00:35] I did figure it would be wise not to submit like 5 100+ page nuke requests at once [14:00:44] but I did get one for 134 pages in [14:01:22] It shouldnt cause it, cause if I recall that uses the jobqueue to queue up the deletions [14:01:30] Could be wrong been awhile since ive looked at that ext [14:01:44] Apologies for the slowness. It appears we might be being DDoS'd [14:02:05] we're not completely down though so like I was telling SRE, that's a testament to our infrastructure [14:02:16] It's holding up pretty well despite having 10x the normal traffic [14:02:56] How maxed out are we on resource usage? [14:03:01] _very_ [14:03:11] Well there goes my idea [14:03:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220372176079818773/Screenshot_20240321-090307.png?ex=660eb328&is=65fc3e28&hm=e7f168ae6fa0c740c2a1d90be9456a0487c8094adfc6be1898613dd82c8caa13& [14:03:27] not too bad but not good either [14:03:37] 162 be slackin [14:03:49] on a normal day, they're all at ~15% or so [14:03:51] I like how all of them start with "mw" and then there's one that doesn't. [14:03:53] 162 is taking its union mandated break [14:04:06] understandable [14:04:21] yeah so just bare with us while we ride it out [14:04:21] Wait what the fuck I was kidding [14:04:42] In theory could we pool test151? [14:04:42] careful what you kid for [14:04:53] We can pool mwtask* and test, yeah [14:05:18] 🫡 [14:05:37] I would leave a couple of the task servers unpooled so jobqueue doesnt get screwed [14:06:03] my nuke would thank you [14:11:00] daym [14:11:14] any idea where the ddos comes from? [14:22:56] Russia, China, Amazon [14:25:29] makes sense to me [14:25:33] bruh [14:25:48] unfortunately all three line up in my experience [14:26:02] amazon is just a pita [14:27:49] seems things have stabilized [14:28:19] yep, load on mw* is back to normal levels [14:30:02] I did mention yesterday on my analytics it shows up as 3 visits from a "iframe-toloka.com" whichn when I googled people on Etsy and Quora said it was a Russian site that tries to overwhelm a server, so I'm not sure if its worth blocking on MH end [14:34:01] That doesn't sound good; further invesigation into the website may be necessary [14:34:45] maybe we can nudge nato to do something for us at last lol [14:39:55] bump [14:40:43] Looks like you’re just linking to it in plain text [14:40:55] I’m not sure how external images work but there’s probably some syntax to it [14:41:04] Not just typing a link [14:47:52] You got the account back? [14:48:04] I'm surprised to be honest but that's good [14:48:56] you jinxed it smh [14:51:13] [1/2] this doesn't work too [14:51:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1220384226554417152/image.png?ex=660ebe61&is=65fc4961&hm=a2c7050684e496b601e12bbdeeb8ef277b15ab9030829d3dcbbe0e091c069721& [15:04:25] Why would someone want to DDoS Miraheze? [15:07:19] [1/2] I assume as I'm not the biggest wiki it might show as more traffic from on another wiki's analytics. But on Tuesday it was 1 visit and yesterday it was 3 visits. [15:07:19] [2/2] There are no visits today, but it could always be redirected to another Wiki. [15:10:21] Maybe they work for the wiki host that shall not be names? [15:12:00] Can someone with the sre could disable the 2fa thing on my account? [15:12:25] Huh… look like it’s a bad timing to ask help… [15:13:33] Smh late 23 moment [15:14:09] Unfortunately without concrete mathematical proof of ownership like a PGP key or committed identity it’s highly unlikely:( [15:14:39] Where do i find that pgp thing? [15:14:57] you should have set that up before losing access [15:16:37] I suppose there's a chance you could try emailing SRE or something from the email on your account and details about your account like IP address, when you added your email, your device and browser, etc. to confirm your Identity but I'm not sure if they'd accept that as proof [15:16:58] I’m currently thinking of how much stuff to include in my commit identity but the numerous recent cases I’ve seen of 2FA screwing people over makes me less then thrilled to go and enable it ngl [15:17:15] Nah [15:17:17] I've yet to have issues with 2FA ever [15:17:20] From what rhinos said [15:17:26] other than my own stupidity with TOTP [15:17:34] but I was able to recover from that [15:17:37] I am pretty good at almost losing my phone tho so [15:17:47] I've gotten 2FA lockout before with some accounts years ago but haven't had the issues since then [15:18:01] Just made sure to do better at backing up [15:18:26] I had one friend who had 2FA and encrypted his recovery codes [15:18:37] The issue was he stored the keys.. on that same phone [15:18:50] I did back up the 2fa on my computer but on my phone, it mysteriously went gone [15:18:58] What app you use? [15:19:11] Google authotificator [15:19:48] so you have access on your computer? [15:19:54] And when i tried to recover it, turn out that it didn’t work because it was from the previous version of 2fa… [15:20:16] So, i screwed it up [15:20:52] and what is more is that i got logged out again after barely 2 weeks [15:21:07] Longer then me lol [15:21:45] so, imy guess is: THERE might have a security breach somewhere on your site... i don't know how this happened [15:22:02] quite the bold claim [15:22:09] and that would explain why the site is having a DDoS thing [15:22:10] well, guess [15:22:39] No, those are totally unrelated [15:22:52] alright, i might be wrong then [15:23:02] If someone with a vendetta against us compromised our systems enough to fuck 2FA [15:23:04] Oooooh boy [15:23:18] security breach doesn't cause DDoS [15:23:19] DDoS would be a nice memory [15:23:27] i see [15:23:42] DDoS is the most childish script kiddie """hack""", it's not a security breach [15:23:51] DDoS is the cyber equivalent of a riot outside the pentagon [15:23:59] ah [15:24:02] make sense [15:24:03] Breaking 2FA is setting a bomb in the center of the bulletin [15:24:35] DDoSing is the cyber version of standing around inside and outside a building so nobody can get in or out of the building [15:25:13] while this is a bit off topic I can't say I agree with that analogy [15:25:31] as if someone did that IRL it definitely wouldn't be seen to be as serious as a DDOS [15:26:25] I guess you could say it's like distracting the cashier at a market with useless conversations so that they don't get to server anyone else [15:26:35] yeah this might be warranted to move to #tech / #offtopic [15:26:46] yeah, I'd go to #offtopic if we wish to continue [15:27:05] o [15:27:42] soo well does anyone know any like well-constructed miraheze wikis that newbies like me could take examples from 🥹 [15:28:28] In what regard [15:28:38] you could check out https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Gazetteer_of_wikis [15:28:43] I've heard good things of pizzatowerwiki [15:28:50] Yeah [15:28:54] I'm not sure there's a lot that put themselves up to be taken from tbh but yeah, the gazetteer is a good place to start for inspiration [15:28:55] Pizza Tower [15:28:56] they sure got that magic touch with the CSS [15:28:56] Rain world [15:28:58]