[00:08:20] there are a bunch ahead of you in the queue but a volunteer will get to it as they can [00:11:48] I guess it depends on the local community and what the overall stance on that is there tbh [00:14:13] yeah, that was my thought as well [00:15:12] is there a way to move two of your wikis into one wiki? [00:15:30] i'm planning on making just one wiki to keep all of my wiki projects in just for better and easier management [00:24:24] 🫡 [00:24:39] The first wiki I worked on here was also video game based [00:24:59] More specific a minecraft mod/datapack [00:32:46] No rush dude. I need time to orginize my pages and get some stuff done anyway. [00:46:45] [1/2] Making a gadget that bold all wiki text. Why does this happen? [00:46:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1221258872493178930/image.png?ex=6611ecf5&is=65ff77f5&hm=d8a199bc5466bfec64b2b019562019f64e5aa0c14e2f9e65eb52bd8597790e3f& [00:47:59] [1/2] The gadget is just this [00:47:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1221259181852594296/image.png?ex=6611ed3e&is=65ff783e&hm=b0223c3987623b8bafdb82dd8b9b6847b387ed382c47c070d8e6090e2f036cf7& [00:48:12] It's ignoring the !important for some reason [00:50:13] I hate this so much. It works now, and the gadget is enabled by default. For some reason when I disable it nothing happens now [00:51:17] It's all bold even when disabled [01:05:50] probably browser caching [01:10:06] and/or server caching [01:11:11] I've been able to have this off for days though without it making things not bold [01:12:36] you can make a dump of one of the wikis and import it into the other wiki [01:13:25] Also is there a way to make multiple variants of one skin? [02:03:22] hey, just making sure, but I responded to your question right after, was there anything else you needed to know? [02:46:40] [1/2] Random support question and I'm wondering if anyone else is running into the same issue. With the `Infobox officeholder`, "father" and "mother" return a `Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "[".` What's that about and how do I fix it? [02:46:40] [2/2] https://thegye.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:58:47] It often means, that you are missing a template or module. [02:59:14] Which page? [03:11:01] https://thegye.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Lies_Kryos [03:15:26] Please go and edit the page, and go to the bottom. Click where it says "Templates used on this page" [03:15:51] You'l see there are a few templates missing and a module called Page? [03:18:14] Yes, so there are. I dunno why I didn’t think of doing that in the first place. [03:18:42] So I just need to fill in those templates, right? [03:25:26] Correct. [03:26:17] [1/5] You'll see [03:26:18] [2/5] ```label18 = Parent{{#if:{{{parents|}}}|{{Pluralize from text|{{{parents|}}}|likely=(s)|plural=s}}|{{#ifexpr:{{count|{{{father|}}}|{{{mother|}}}}} > 1|s}}}} [03:26:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifexpr:Template:%7b%7bcount [03:26:18] [4/5] | data18 = {{#if:{{{parents|}}}|{{{parents}}}|{{Unbulleted list|{{#if:{{{father|}}}|{{{father}}} (father)}}|{{#if:{{{mother|}}}|{{{mother}}} (mother)}}}}}}``` [03:26:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23if:Template:%7b%7b%7bparents [03:26:19] [5/5] "Count" is the template you're missing [04:29:54] if you are using Cosmos skin it can be done in Additional settings (admin sidebar), Styling tab, otherwise - CSS [05:19:40] Hey guys, is there a way to stop my folders from getting inaccessible inside the drives? [05:19:40] Is mh being slow for everyone else [05:21:30] are you in the right server to ask that? [05:22:22] Then where am i supposed to ask that? [05:23:22] r/techsupport or something [05:23:48] [1/2] this server is dedicated to Miraheze, a wiki hosting platform, and this channel is main support venue for it [05:23:48] [2/2] maybe #offtopic would be more correct, but still not sure what you mean [05:26:00] Oh okay. [05:51:49] I use Vector2022 is there a way to do it from there? [05:52:26] in `MediaWiki:Vector.css` page [05:53:00] you'll have to add in there CSS code which will modify the skin [05:53:22] now, I haven't worked w/ Vector 2022 so I can't supply an example of working code [05:53:52] you might need to check other wikis using it, or figure out by yourself w/ browser's element inspector tool [07:14:53] Using Timeless I was able to do so by changing the content background to an image, or changing the content background to transparent and setting a body background [07:15:28] Unfortunately, this has come with some issues in trying to use the dark mode extension as the toggle makes the site unreadable ^^; but ah well [07:16:30] it's a shame that Citizen's layout is so static, I don't like the way info is structured at all on desktop but it has far and away the best options per light/dark mode [07:33:02] Is themanaworld wiki import still running? [07:46:32] Themana [08:55:52] Reception123: ^ [10:17:47] I'm running the import, I took over from Reception [10:19:29] thorbjorn: the XML import is stil going on, however it has slowed to a crawl, I'll restart 'cause at the rate it is going this is going to take decades to import the rest [10:19:56] the image import was done, a lot more images were imported know but there are still some that the script doesn't like for some reason [10:20:08] s/know/now [10:23:35] Orange_Star: cool [11:29:38] Orange_Star: Alright, thanks! If there's anything I can do to help with the image import, please let me know. [11:30:04] thorbjorn: the XML import just finished btw [11:30:42] Orange_Star: Cool, I'll have a look! Is there a list of pages that it couldn't import? Like the "Dev:" ones and maybe a few others that already existed? [11:30:49] currently running rebuildall.php [11:31:03] I think only those in Dev: it failed to import [11:31:34] Alright. I see our wiki home page has the wrong image: https://themanaworld.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Mana_World:Home [11:31:57] Some Linux Mint image instead of of a girl in a dress. [11:32:06] that's an image from Wikimedia commons [11:32:12] maybe it got overwritten? [11:32:33] It's called Julia.png, which is the right name. :S [11:32:53] https://wiki.themanaworld.org/images/6/6e/Julia.png [11:33:00] I think that's one of the images that didn't import [11:33:09] and is defaulting to one from Wikimedia Commons [11:33:29] (We run QuickInstantCommons here, but that can be disabled from ManageWiki iirc) [11:33:36] Alright. [11:34:25] I think it would be good to disable that, but I don't see it among the Main settings. [11:34:45] it should be on Special:ManageWiki/extensions [11:36:40] Hmm, no, can't find anything like QuickInstantCommons or such. [11:39:46] Btw, in the edit logs, most edits now show up as made by users like "themanaworld>Jesusalva‎", linking to non-existing page https://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/$. Will those links start pointing to the right user pages, once they sign up to Miraheze, or will they stay like that? [11:40:12] We can reassign edits once they sign up, just let us know once that happens [11:40:26] Also re: Wikimedia Commons: search for $wgUseQuickInstantCommons on /settings [11:42:46] Thanks, I've disabled that now, though I guess the home page result is cached somewhere. [11:43:13] actually, your homepage is on the page history [11:43:39] because the one created when creating the wiki is newer that the one on the XML, it just saved those to page history [11:54:26] Cool, I've undone that edit so now it's back to a redirect. :) [12:21:27] You can use ?action=purge on a page to reset cache [12:54:41] RhinosF1: Thanks, that worked, now Julia.png is just a broken link. :) [12:58:07] I haven’t see this much irc in a while [14:17:26] finally got around to registering a nick serv account lmao [14:19:04] > If you are a Miraheze user in good standing with an on wiki account, you may request a Miraheze IRC cloak [14:19:04] hmm, would y'all say I count as in good standing lol? [14:19:26] Oh line breaks count as two messages [14:19:29] The more you know [14:19:55] You are good standing ye [14:20:01] @reception123 maybe [14:26:54] https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl?diff=prev&oldid=14880 adding IRC on wiki user page as it says  on [[IRC/Group]] [14:26:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC/Group [14:34:49] Guys I have no idea how to make a collapsible Heading [14:34:56] It's right under my nose [14:35:07] But I cant seem to figure out [14:58:50] Just put all content after in a div and switch display to none/inherit when clicked on heading ? [14:59:41] Maybe https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements [15:26:41] @pixldev if you confirm to me that you want a Miraheze cloak, I can get you one [15:45:35] Yeah, thanks(if you need me to confirm on irc Gimmi a sec to login on my phone) [15:47:18] MacFan4000: yeah sure, thanks! [15:49:09] @pixldev I've now request that it be assigned [15:49:16] requested* [15:50:34] Thanks! [15:50:57] (libera staff should get to it shortly) [15:54:20] Will it be notified via email or on IRC message? [15:54:36] I'll notify you :) [15:54:47] you'll get a funny looking notification of someone changing your host iirc [15:56:24] 👍 I need to stop habitually using discord reactions on relay messages [15:58:04] @pixldev it’s been assigned now [15:59:02] Librea staff are fast lol [16:00:35] 8) [16:01:11] IRC is cool [16:01:36] plus the Libera web client has a theme that makes it look like I'm playing Hacknet [16:01:42] which is neat [17:23:51] 👋 I did some research and apparently Wiki creation is faster if you poke Agent. Is this true? [17:24:35] it is not [17:24:44] real [17:24:55] that person must have got lucky then haha [17:25:07] It’s depends a lot [17:25:11] But in general [17:25:17] Don’t poke [17:25:24] Usually it is but I'm on sabbatical [17:25:38] Hey siri define sabbatical [17:25:44] time off [17:25:50] I'm on wikibreak [17:25:58] Even for a Club Penguin wiki? 😉 [17:26:08] oh bother [17:26:09] fine [17:26:10] We like agent. He is not very pokeable. Please do not poke the penguin [17:26:16] Lmao [17:26:36] (no in all seriousness, please do take your break as breaks are important - I can wait) [17:26:45] :DoneMH: Approved [17:26:49] Thank you for flying Miraheze [17:26:53] What an absolute legend [17:26:59] Let the record show this is an exception and not precedent [17:27:02] Ofc [17:27:05] He’s agent [17:27:11] We love mr president [17:27:12] just like my donation im about to do [17:27:26] 😍 [17:27:38] absolute legend [17:27:44] Does you guys have direct flights to England? [17:27:45] praise club penguin community [17:27:51] not anymore [17:28:00] https://tenor.com/view/club-penguin-breakdance-gif-7532038 [17:28:00] We offer flights to Salt Lake City and Idaho tho [17:28:13] Not as much fun over spring break [17:28:22] I don’t wanna fly American grrrrrr [17:29:01] How salty is the lake [17:29:36] :ThinkerMH: [17:29:39] not sure [17:30:05] TIL the salt lake there is called the "Great Salt Lake" [17:30:21] so where's "Great Salt Lake City" then 🤔 [17:32:18] Most of the WikiTide folk live in the area of FSSLC right? [17:32:27] I wish [17:32:32] I'm trapped here in Spain [17:32:36] I don't think anyone lives near by [17:32:44] So don't count on me to do physical work on the servers [17:32:45] UO is the closest, like 5 hours away [17:32:47] Very, the lake is on top of very salty land [17:32:57] Nearby are the Salt Flats where people like to drive cars very fast [17:33:12] Huh, Spain? [17:33:25] yep, in Andalusia [17:33:29] southern spain basically [17:33:31] Andaluthia [17:33:33] I could drive to SLC if I really had to but it would take me 12 hours [17:33:37] Oh boy, thought it was much closer [17:33:47] West coast distances 😂 [17:34:10] Hmmmm [17:34:15] hey, at least we're finally in the same continent as our servers [17:34:28] [1/2] Hahaha try east coast [17:34:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1221512468401094677/image0.jpg?ex=6612d923&is=66006423&hm=650e66a3d8085036b5d28e9a0180bafdb2148488693802f8c5f479be69cfad50& [17:34:38] There are worse places to live [17:34:43] Like Amerixa [17:35:18] My trip would be 23 hours to SLC [17:35:42] Mine would be anywhere between 6 months and never [17:36:00] 6 month plane trip is brutal [17:36:13] <3 New Hersey [17:36:16] Wait [17:36:17] Considering the time it would take to immigrate legally to the US [17:36:18] nah [17:36:31] I was closest to our UK servers [17:36:31] And I'm probably being generous [17:36:35] I think [17:36:59] just swim 🙄 [17:37:15] very ez trick [17:37:45] Owen was about equal [17:38:00] What's awesome is that now we don't have to manage our own hardware [17:38:11] If a hard disk breaks, it's the DC's job to fix [17:38:18] they're pretty fast as well [17:38:30] they took around 30 minutes to replace cloud18's motherboard when it kept dying [17:39:46] Wasn’t that same in uk [17:39:52] _Memorial hour = Offline_ [17:41:01] oh nice [17:41:05] enjoy! [17:41:40] Nope [17:41:54] We had remote hands but we owned the hardware [17:42:04] So we had to pay for replacements [19:21:03] wondering about opinions - i want to create a namespace purely for staff discussions (on policy, styling, etcetera) and i cant use our meta: namespace because it needs to stay admin only - what would you guys name this namespace? im considering Staff: but im unsure [19:21:05] or Discussion: [19:21:47] Normally you use the project space for this [19:21:53] like [[AN]] [19:21:53] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/AN [19:21:54] [19:22:01] And protect [19:22:10] or for private matters off wiki [19:22:42] hrm [19:22:46] i really dislike our project namespace [19:23:06] why [19:23:16] `/PHIGHTING!_Wiki:` is just awful for me to type, i know that the Project: shorthand does exist though im just weird LOL [19:26:31] You can make allias namespaces that redirect to it [19:26:45] oh thats true [19:26:56] so i could have Staff: or something redirect [19:27:07] okay thats probably doable, since i only really want one page in this namespace right now [19:27:25] would still show the true name after redirecting [19:27:30] thats totally fine [19:27:46] for me its just ease of access (i struggle with typing long urls esp when punctuation is involved due to disabilities) [19:28:08] thanks for the advice! it helped me figure out what i want to do LOL [19:30:07] [1/2] OH i can change this? [19:30:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1221541576719728660/image.png?ex=6612f43f&is=66007f3f&hm=beac737d941c0b06eed411712211eb67acf1cfb1ec2e54f259f8c2b230718ef1& [19:57:01] huh [19:57:27] yeah apparently you can change what Project: completes to [20:17:24] Immigrating illegally sounds easier /j [20:29:05] @everyone raid [20:29:13] not [20:29:38] just swim yeesh [20:38:58] Hello, is anyone available to help here? [20:39:23] There's always someone available to help here [20:39:53] it depends a lot on the what [20:40:17] MannysMyName: a rule of thumb, don't ask to ask. Just ask [20:40:28] is the website down or smth [20:40:31] PixDeVl Okay, thank you [20:41:01] Keep getting error 502 on my wiki [20:41:02] getting 502s and 503s, one user got cp36 [20:41:03] it's back up now anyway, just a slight outage [20:41:04] @sirwaffles did you get an error or something trying to load? [20:41:09] Huh [20:41:11] 502 as others mentioned [20:41:23] I'd like to enable mass file uploads on my wiki, is there a way for me to do so? [20:41:41] We got a surge in requests [20:41:44] so the errors icinga was screaming in #sre *wasn't* normal after all.... [20:41:44] 5x the amount [20:41:51] Oh ffs [20:41:56] More DDoS? [20:42:08] Not sure [20:43:08] MsUpload might work for you [20:44:47] I can't find a way to enable MsUpload, how can I enable it? [20:46:59] Go to Special:ManageWiki/extensions, navigate to the "Parser hooks" tab and it should be there; just tick the box next to it [20:48:09] Okay, thank you [20:49:27] also while i'm at it, i'm completely new to this and i was just wondering how long it usualy takes for a wiki request to be reviewed? [20:49:49] They are reviewed as volunteers have time to review them. [20:49:56] That depends a lot [20:50:26] alr i'll just keep an eye out then [20:50:26] ty [20:50:45] Some take 2-5 days, some 4 hours. On exceptional circumstances they can take a minute but to call this an outlier is generous [20:51:12] oh alr, i just got worried seeing as the top of the queue is in february [20:51:32] Really? [20:51:36] That's probably a reopened one [20:52:00] [[Special:RequestWikiQueue]] [20:52:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [20:52:10] i mean there's only one there, and i'm not sure of how the rest works [20:52:20] others are all in march [20:52:38] Natural backlog is about 2.5 days as far as I can see [20:52:39] RhinosF1 yup [20:52:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/40650#mw-section-comments [20:53:13] The Feb one was reopened 12:52, 23 March 2024 [20:53:38] alr then, that's a bit more reassuring [20:53:56] Your concern is understandable [20:54:10] A Feb 3rd backlog would be odd [20:55:06] That would be very odd [20:55:16] that's a reopened one yes, in busy periods the queue typically runs a day or two behind [20:55:22] At the moment it seems like we're seeing 2-3 days at a max [20:55:32] Yeah that sounds normal [20:55:38] But it does vary quite significantly [20:55:57] We seem to be getting a lot of wiki creators handling in batch rather than trickling at the moment [20:56:03] And we are seeing a lot of requests [20:57:02] I'd love to see what the average time has been over Miraheze's history for approvals [20:58:58] Wonder if that could be calculated via a database query? [21:00:27] I doubt alone [21:01:16] I think it's technically possible [21:01:27] But it depends what you mean by average [21:01:46] And whether you want statistically useful info [21:02:10] CreateWiki API dont support getting the needed data? [21:02:26] Is there a CreateWiki API? [21:02:31] there is none [21:02:34] there will be one soon [21:02:42] still learning the basics of REST on MW [21:02:47] So that's a no [21:03:20] As my bank account has taught me, things are seldom useful when they don't exist ;) [21:04:10] My bank have taught me how useless humans are [21:04:38] OS doing that good work [21:04:42] And why technical controls are a good thing [21:05:09] What does voice even do on IRC? [21:05:15] I have some SQL queries waiting in the wings that could give average time to approve by time period [21:05:22] Average time between a request being filed and being approved huh [21:05:23] Most of the time a badge [21:05:36] @notaracham I can run SQL queries for whatever data you want [21:05:41] as long as it's not PII [21:05:54] in my client voiced users are seperated from normal users in the member list [21:06:04] Don't crash mhglobal Orange_Star [21:06:09] huh, we have a #miraheze-mediawiki-engineers channel? interesting [21:06:12] I've done that [21:06:15] MacFan4000 same [21:06:17] Mine just shows a + [21:06:32] also if the channel is moderated (+m mode) only voiced or opped can speak [21:06:33] Nah, nothing pii. I'll see if I can surface some of them once I'm back at a PC [21:06:44] yeah, a plus in front of names and on the top of the member list [21:06:47] good, ping me when you want [21:06:48] I meant perms wise [21:06:59] or is it just look important [21:07:02] in public channels like these nothing [21:07:30] I think we have moderated the channel on rare occasions [21:07:45] When our lovely holiday friend used to say hi [21:08:08] So it's a hat in a literal sense [21:08:13] Not buttons or commands [21:08:17] That can get used on the rare occasion that spam is wildly out of control [21:08:30] I'm not really a fan of automatic voice tbh [21:08:34] (moderation) [21:08:41] Not urgent, but I was ideating back when there was the possibility of making a dashboard/neat metrics that could be surfaced [21:08:55] Think of voiced like auto patrolled on meta [21:09:06] @notaracham sounds neat [21:09:19] In that you're trusted to add constructively to a closed convo [21:09:25] (to the second message) so just looks important [21:09:43] The equiv of my role on discord? [21:09:55] OA is looking at this actually [21:10:01] The MWTSV one [21:10:07] No [21:10:17] It's only SRE + Stewards [21:10:37] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11981 [21:10:43] I mean in the sense the role shows the person knows stuff but gives 0 abilites [21:11:08] I had voiced in some channels pre stewardship, but that was for specific reasons [21:11:33] E.g. managing meetings when I was only a discord mod +wc [21:11:50] Well not fully true the role does have one small ability(thread moderator on #support) [21:12:19] That's a very recent addition, but fair point [21:15:54] [1/2] Oh nice, I'll make an extra effort to dig those up and pass them along then to speed up efforts. [21:15:55] [2/2] Would be nice to move past the JohnStats era of basic counts whenever someone has time to run it every 3-6 months [21:34:39] It would be challenging to develop good wiki request to creation statistics. many requests require additional information and the time lapes in question and response would skew the data. more variables in the process than it would seem at first glance. [21:37:14] @jph2 True :/ [21:37:45] Unfortunately [21:37:54] We could also just ignore that [22:16:46] dmehus: in regards to your post on M:AN, was that made with the previous declined request 2 weeks ago being considered? Purely out of curiosity [22:17:36] wasn't aware of that, but seems fine to me [22:18:56] hola @chivorespiratorio [22:19:05] requests require different processing time tbh [22:19:33] and sometimes handling them differently is key too, ie if someone reviews in 'batches' and goes from 0 to suddenly processing 3 in a rather short time [22:20:05] Gucci. Just checking. The concerns raised weren't very serious(compared to some other ones) so no reason to retract or anything. Since you've been a patroller longer then I've been a Mirahezen,if you think they'd be good for it sure let Meta admins consider. anyways back to working for me [22:37:18] hey we used to have Wiki Managers as a user group right? [22:37:28] [[Wiki Managers]] [22:37:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wiki_Managers [22:38:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wiki_managers caps strikes again :p [22:38:35] huh, I didn't know this used to exist [22:38:51] lol [22:39:21] I know we were discussing bringing it back with a new lick of paint, during and before the last #miraheze-meeting [22:39:39] is that the wrong channel? [22:39:58] that's the correct channel iirc [22:40:05] what happened to Wiki Managers? [22:40:36] not sure, I think they were from the *gasp* pre Manage Wiki days [22:40:38] may be wrong [22:40:49] oh [22:40:54] scratch that! [22:41:08] also doubled as WCs? [22:41:14] first line of their page archive [22:41:14] Wiki managers are users who can approve or decline wiki requests. They can change sitename, default language, and category using Special:ManageWiki for all wikis. They can also (un)mark a wiki as closed, private, or inactive using Special:ManageWiki. [22:42:13] WCs seem to have existed alongside Wiki Managers [22:42:21] huh [22:42:27] judging by the page histories [22:42:32] Wiki managers stopped existing because John rewrote CreateWiki and got rid of some RemoteWiki abilities from Meta [22:42:42] but he also didn't seem to like it apparently so seems it was on purpose lol [22:43:22] I know it was being discussed before to revive it [22:43:40] It was but I think its now favored to expand GS' abilities [22:43:59] iirc one of the last messages in the meeting channel on discord were bout it [22:44:06] hm tru maybe [22:45:01] Even with outliers, average time to approve is still a helpful metric when looking at approvals by month of initiation. [22:45:09] I think someone mentioned a few days ago Stewards not being able to do as much due to being clogged down with tasks like SR backlog and undeletions. Maybe WM could help tackle some parts of that? [22:45:34] most of us have just been very busy this past month [22:45:40] so the SR is on standstill almost [22:45:55] I've been keeping it fairly tidy [22:46:10] Totally fine, no one should expect yall to devote your lives to Miraheze lmao [22:47:14] I think we were also thinking of making WMs smt like Fandoms now doomed Wiki Reps [22:47:36] We talked about a lot of things there [22:47:49] Nothing has yet been done however [22:48:08] I personally really like the idea of assigning people to wikis to serve as an ambassador of sorts. Even though logically its impractical [22:48:22] I think that's part of why FANDOM nuked theirs [22:48:40] which makes me want us to do it that way out of spite lmao [22:48:44] If FANDOM couldn't pull it off I don't think we'll be able to do it IMO [22:49:10] Even now that we have more core volunteers we're still somewhat low on numbers IMO [22:49:11] Oh you're probably right but my spite seldom listens to reason [22:49:43] Do you think we're more lacking in the on wiki/CVT part or the tech one? [22:50:03] I can't really say... [22:50:35] IDK how CVT is doing or even how they work, but at least NA seems to be keeping that under control according to #miraheze-cvt [22:51:50] If by some miracle I get off my ass and go learn PHP I'll see if I can by a whole other miracle be of any help on the tech side but my procrastination is the stuff of legend [22:52:50] I also have a stroke just looking at the stuff on miraheze repo [22:53:07] Intimidated by OOP? [22:54:51] No I just don't have experience with that kind of big overarching project with lots of files and classes that use each other. Or PHP or web dev for that matter [22:55:05] you can see on my github the kind of stuff I normally do [22:55:28] I have some more complex projects that are multi file but privated but [22:55:33] I'm going to let you in on a little secret (on this public channel) [22:55:43] hm yes logi [22:55:47] logic* [22:55:58] I'm an SWE on Miraheze, but even I don't know fully all the dark corners of Miraheze's extensions [22:56:36] To be fair, I don't think any of us truely understands how CreateWiki works anymore :P [22:56:50] What I do know is how to discover what they do [22:57:15] that's all that matters in this game PixDeVL [22:58:02] yeah, actually when I was bored at school, I spend a good while reading CW's code [22:58:16] I am a very normal and socially connected teenager [22:58:26] Hey, just like me [22:58:30] I say, while on internet relay chat [22:58:48] Just sitting at the back of the class and waiting for the bell to ring is normal behaviour right? [22:58:57] wait no ManageWiki* [22:59:00] oh ofc [22:59:16] Yeah, not too many happy memories from that period of my life if you can't tell [23:00:09] I was looking at the permissions selection part in particular. I wanted to try and come up with how I would theoreticly implement task I dont remember the number [23:00:28] hmm, a MW task? [23:00:28] aka warning when a crat tries to remove manageiki-* rights [23:00:32] a phab one [23:00:37] ahh, I remember that one [23:00:58] And well? Any luck? [23:02:05] The logic is spread over a few files and I was trying to track it. I found the part where perm changes seem to be looked at. The issue is, frankly, I don't know Mediawiki code [23:02:37] I don't know what the right way to stop the logic and raise a banner warning is from there [23:02:47] yeah, the form factory mess [23:02:52] idk if just returning an error would travel back to the UI [23:03:03] I remember it being a little spaghetti when I was fixing an XSS there [23:03:23] and then I'd need to figure out how to enclose a confirmation value in the form that don't show by default [23:03:26] You technically aren't supposed to be able to delete the bureaucrat group but the check is broken [23:03:32] Oh so it wasn't just me? [23:03:35] Reassuring [23:03:39] wait, there's a check? [23:03:53] @agentisai you don't need to delete it to remove it's every perm [23:04:14] Sidenote: a check for *adding* managewiki- perms may also be useful [23:04:46] Didn't someone give unrestricted managewiki and userright access to all users on their wiki yesterday? [23:04:56] Globe and Collie were involed iirc [23:04:58] give what now? [23:05:01] yeah [23:05:10] lemme look on discord [23:05:45] Ah [23:05:47] Here we are [23:05:55] Orange_Star: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1220654666086617139 [23:06:22] unless I misunderstood [23:06:39] I was't keeping up fully but that seems to have been the tl;dr [23:07:14] I'm not getting that impression [23:07:29] Oh [23:07:31] seems someone just messed up and gave Collei all rights [23:07:37] May have misread cause skimming [23:07:46] all rights available normally, not stuff like CU and Suppressionn [23:08:35] You had me scared for a moment there dude 😂 [23:08:41] > I gave myself literally all the rights and don't have managewiki [23:08:46] Só misread [23:09:14] Oh yeah I never said or meant to imply CU/OS [23:09:15] That had me scared also I thought oerms were broke and anyone could give any rights on any wiki when I started reading that lol [23:09:45] guys pwease dont ban me for fearmongering [23:10:01] :kek: [23:11:10] so yeah I think he just gave people full userright access I think maybe who knows? [23:11:30] full userright access means the (userright) perm [23:11:38] I'll keep that in mind as a potential AF joke [23:11:44] with that you can give yourself CU and Suppressor [23:11:51] I doubt that's what was meant [23:12:45] no one but global groups can have the full userrights, I did find ManageWiki bugged once and this became possible on one wiki, they could even give CU/OS, but that only happened once and I think we fixed it from happening again... [23:13:59] PII was not exposed or the bug misused, but rather quickly reported luckily though and only happened on one wiki [23:15:51] What was the cause? Assuming its not hush hush go back to patrolling RC [23:16:19] Idk if ill impelent that. The geenral consensus was "use stats" which is not how I would've done it and is not even fully supported for pushing to prometheus. [23:18:58] ManageWiki cache not loading anything at all, and instead reverting to all the default permissions, which bureaucrat has userrights by default. [23:19:54] It does support pushing directly to Prometheus in 1.42 I believe. [23:23:50] it actually may in 1.41 also [23:25:24] What happened btw was a wiki that let anyone assign themselves admin [23:27:41] gotcha [23:34:34] raidarr, did you mean `xenwiki` NotAracham asked about on Wiki reports? Yeah, the issue with that in particular was even more serious with regard to letting anyone assign themselves interface admin permissions [23:37:29] oh, no idea about that one [23:37:56] just the case yesterday where someone had a wiki and anyone could self assign regular admin, I don't think it was xenwiki [23:52:00] I noticed that my other wiki had deleted again. so, I don't want to make a new one. [23:54:32] Depending on what message pops up when you attempt to visit it, it's possible to restore [23:55:44] hi, is there any way to blacklist/reserve certain usernames without creating accounts with them? [23:59:56] Since usernames are global I think no not on a local level @tedkalashnikov