[00:00:04] also our selling point is no ads [00:00:11] no money to be made [00:00:13] Plus [00:00:21] The merger happened after an RfC [00:00:27] Ok. I will live pacefully. I trust you. [00:00:33] the community voted and agreed to the merge [00:00:41] Good. [00:08:56] the day fandom acquires miraheze is the day miraheze has already long died [00:10:19] And fandom’s execs say fuck life and go on a coke fueled rampage before offing themselves [00:11:40] No, thank you [00:12:01] @pixldev Let's keep it civil, even over Fandom. It's not a good look.\ [00:14:05] ^^;; apologies [00:33:44] [1/2] Is there a way to put the TOC on the page's side, just like vector uses to do? [00:33:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223067534303953017/image.png?ex=66188167&is=66060c67&hm=72bc7677e90e662968ce1ac19871a029d98f2ae8d525317aff02c29fef81b0a1& [00:34:11] pretty annoying that in on the page, making space. [00:54:57] anyone else having issues on meta or other of CSS taking a bit longer to load? [00:59:01] We received a moment of 5x the traffic when you sent that [00:59:12] not sure what it was [00:59:16] Huh [00:59:26] Cause it was happening before as well [00:59:30] How long was the spike [00:59:51] from :52 to :57 [01:00:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223074289201451058/Screenshot_20240328-200017.png?ex=661887b2&is=660612b2&hm=abdf9387a0d631384c1cd8aefd648706e5ab4fbd58c371f90e0a0ec03842fae5& [01:00:36] think was out of that frame for me sometimes [01:00:39] odd momentary spikes [01:00:46] DDoS? [01:00:55] I'm not sure if I can attribute it to that [01:01:01] but it's something we've been noticing this week a lot [01:01:17] Can you trace their origin or smt [01:08:34] [1/2] help [01:08:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223076299879354430/GYRjxDJ.png?ex=66188991&is=66061491&hm=11b580ec6ea113beeb26fd2c34cd7c44fb420d86bbe408690e8afb0c3c9087b0& [01:10:33] @pixldev you know how? [01:12:44] what [01:12:52] so the file server give errors and is slow because of ddos ? [01:13:27] how do i make the purple background fit the text? [01:15:22] I don't know, I don't understand the inquiry with the extreamly limited info you're giving me [01:15:51] ??? [01:16:08] [1/2] text clips out of the box [01:16:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223078208220696656/iIqZjiN.png?ex=66188b58&is=66061658&hm=1912463c74dac4c0ab40170d9088025bd4e16599620dc0482d0be75860805a00& [01:16:26] Prob by adding padding [01:16:41] i ain't a CSS whiz and im logging off soon so :/ [01:17:02] yea i fixed it using auto [01:17:06] k [01:17:30] nvm [01:18:00] k it worked [01:45:46] [1/20] ```/ Sidebars / [01:45:46] [2/20] /* Placing all sidebars to the left aka forcing layout under 1340px as default [01:45:46] [3/20] Taken from Inkipedia [ https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Timeless.css ] */ [01:45:47] [4/20] @media (min-width: 1340px) { [01:45:47] [5/20] #mw-content-block { [01:45:47] [6/20] display: block; } [01:45:47] [7/20] #mw-content, [01:45:48] [8/20] #content-bottom-stuff { [01:45:48] [9/20] margin-left: 14em; } [01:45:48] [10/20] #mw-content-wrapper { [01:45:49] [11/20] float: right; [01:45:49] [12/20] margin-left: -14em; [01:45:50] [13/20] width: 100%; } [01:45:50] [14/20] / Width and paddings / [01:45:51] [15/20] #mw-site-navigation, #mw-related-navigation { [01:45:51] [16/20] width: 14em; } [01:45:52] [17/20] #mw-related-navigation { [01:45:52] [18/20] padding: 0 1em 0 0; } [01:45:53] [19/20] } [01:45:53] [20/20] ``` [01:46:05] Put this in your Common.css or skin.css [01:47:28] how do i edit the Wubbypedia namespace that is in my wiki? its not shown on https://wubbypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/namespaces [01:48:15] is it project? [01:48:25] yes [01:48:28] k [01:48:33] That is not my expertise [01:49:55] [1/2] ummm [01:49:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223086704739487906/DvgJoco.png?ex=66189342&is=66061e42&hm=9074a6b0d5348fd0dfc969ea00bf157b8a4a0ce35e128e80386725d2948d83a9& [01:50:02] [1/2] how do i make it look like this? [01:50:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223086737161584640/ngIAWBc.png?ex=66189349&is=66061e49&hm=fa5a677689fbc7986479b1eb406e6f2121726e1d2bbdeee6970023162848dad8& [01:51:58] Please do not ping me with random questions. [01:51:58] ??? i need help though [01:52:04] Just put the question in here, and wait oif someone responds [01:53:03] yea i made it work [01:53:06] You've been told before to not ping people who are online if you need help with something. We all have our own expertise's [01:53:29] i forgot [01:53:42] That is why I remind you! [01:53:51] 🙂 [02:43:38] Ro, I have a question... [02:44:51] Just ask [02:45:05] When I have two fonts which one is regular and the other is in italic, but want the italic one be used when I close text into ''' ''', how do I specify in the Common.css? [02:45:39] No need [02:46:07] If Bold text needs to be italic too, just use ```'''''text'''''``` [02:46:47] I installed two fontface which are a variable ones. The bold works perfectly, but the italic doesn't work as indeed. [02:47:16] The wiki forces the main font inclining, instead of use the italic font. [02:48:15] That is not in my expertise unfortunately [02:48:32] I have no experience using fnts [02:55:20] oh 😢 [03:00:52] [1/3] Just check out the italic from the default one... [03:00:52] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223104562437689344/image.png?ex=6618a3e3&is=66062ee3&hm=9297ffe0e9bde8b1edfe0a273637ebde5c4676510540e26871117f149cca0e2d& [03:00:53] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223104562727227458/image.png?ex=6618a3e3&is=66062ee3&hm=8047600d12422be36f4a9a40f93b8533fa23eb28e7674dddbeed16387f998cc4& [03:02:58] [1/2] By looking the letter "a", the Css forces the normal to be italic... [03:02:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223105089774948402/image.png?ex=6618a461&is=66062f61&hm=079b1cd4dfd7a074015a5186c639179b27d9a638d6d3b2424db787e9fc2b8c74& [03:03:09] Hope someone else can help with this. [03:03:32] [1/2] huh? [03:03:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223105234272784455/image.png?ex=6618a484&is=66062f84&hm=e2a949a4396a9c59dad6a198a0b259f5b15a3c26c17e1ba525ec2375bb0ed3fc& [03:03:50] the file is not being loaded from commons [03:26:07] Same issue for me [03:36:11] Commons is currently disabled due to an issue it will be back soon. [03:36:38] Tech issue? [03:37:04] Yes [03:37:53] Yikes. Commons down 😮 [03:38:29] That is serious! So many depend on that [03:41:53] Seems Commons isn't down. [03:42:24] I can still see my uploaded files etc [03:42:58] Is it commons.miraheze.org that is disabled? [03:43:43] hmm no [03:47:08] Is it fixed now? How long it will take?? [03:47:19] +__+ [03:49:07] Just be patient [03:49:24] It will be back up when it is fixed 😉 [03:50:45] I am going to 🛏️ and get me some 💤 [03:50:51] 🛌 [04:09:13] [1/2] Well, we're starting to have issues here... [04:09:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223121762753970246/image.png?ex=6618b3e8&is=66063ee8&hm=a2d2dbb77e4f62e325545917a4ff322e6be7657b50f64887dfe8ae61e20085b8& [04:09:43] (got it clicking on an image) [04:34:57] @cosmicalpha Can you please delete these 2 Wikis since WikiTide is shutting down on April 15th https://titanic.wikitide.org/wiki/Main_Page & And also want this deleted as well https://sixflagsjazzland.wikitide.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:35:04] Thanks 🙏 [04:48:04] you don't have to ping him especially [04:48:26] and like - shutdown means they'll disappear anyway? or not? [04:57:14] I want them to disappear before the shutdown [04:57:52] I'll take care of it in a couple hours. [04:59:56] Thanks [05:15:37] is this commons down for Meta only or for the entire Miraheze? it may need to be announced in Sitenotice or CentralNotice if necessary [05:16:15] Globally, but I will bring it back up soon. [05:18:35] Two hours max and it will be back [05:44:03] InstantCommons should be back [05:47:30] yep [05:47:57] [1/2] @suzuneu @rodejong @johnmcgurkus @kiju1108 ^ just pinging those who mentioned issues before [05:47:57] [2/2] Sorry about that all. [06:22:32] got a 503 and a lot of really slow loading [06:22:44] We are being DDoSed again [06:23:05] We're under a very extreme attack. Apologies for the issues. [06:23:20] damn [06:23:36] bear w/ us [06:24:04] i'm aware of the issues but i notified because i saw this message earlier [06:24:52] yep, thanks for the heads up [06:25:17] Appears to be a botnet potentially so it's basically playing a game of whack-a-mole [06:25:32] mass IP block from previous time is remaining? [06:25:43] it is [06:25:48] it's new IPs [06:25:52] There are over 2,000 IPs, I can't ban them all this time. But yeah the ones I blocked last time are still blocked. [06:28:56] there's no pointers which wiki gets the hits? or they just go all over the place? [06:30:19] not sure [06:30:31] I'll review it [06:31:59] We might just have to ride it out until they get tired [06:44:06] This is next level, 3,555,392 requests in the past hour is well... a lot... [06:45:12] Some kind of rate-limiting should definitely be considered to hinder DDoS attempts if it hasn't been already [06:45:23] We have rate limiting [06:45:30] That is with rate limiting [06:46:19] [1/2] anything going on? [06:46:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223161298553016320/image.png?ex=6618d8ba&is=660663ba&hm=d0ced860bf11904375bde8efd6f44476baff92b52d5f3b0bc598d84673eadfc0& [06:47:01] Just another DDoS [06:47:35] @cosmicalpha have you tried an incident response company? We had an offer from a UK based one to give us some free help in these situations. [06:55:45] Would it be possible to use Cloudflare? [06:56:22] It's an option that comes up every time we have a DoS attack [06:58:31] The main downside I can think of is privacy issues [06:58:44] That and it would break our custom domain setup [06:59:59] Cloudflare has anti-ddos without needing to actually point the domain there I thought? Maybe I'm totally wrong but I thought I looked into it and saw that but maybe not... [07:00:12] Yes [07:00:23] But enterprise plan only [07:00:29] Wikimedia do that [07:00:30] oh [07:01:14] Oh yeah, Magic Transit [07:02:42] Ye [07:06:13] [1/2] the nice error message is completely gone now [07:06:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223166308166795264/image.png?ex=6618dd65&is=66066865&hm=3aee338b4e81c057c0a59135e694b00477a6c8c52954bb62294e3146d3d3c1a8& [07:06:37] Is there any workaround for that? [07:06:46] Last time I looked, maybe [07:06:55] There is not [07:06:59] We'd probably still have to change some stuff though [07:07:07] I looked into it because WikiTide used CloudFlare for a while [07:07:10] And also it's an add on [07:07:20] we'd have to pay $0.10 per custom domain as well after 100 custom domains [07:09:33] https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-for-platforms/cloudflare-for-saas/ is the way I found that may work [07:09:44] But as Agent says, additional add on [07:09:52] yep [07:10:02] but it'd break our custom domain set up and we'd have to redo them all [07:11:05] Yes [07:26:43] Could it be made so that the custom domains don't use Cloudflare DNS but the miraheze.org domains do? [07:40:25] Would be too easy to still DoS us [07:43:26] <.labster> If the target is Miraheze as a whole. If they’re only targeting one wiki, it might work [07:53:18] Aw dammit I was in the middle of editing a page :sad: [07:54:23] Sorry about that! [07:55:55] Is there a ETA on when Asia will restore access by any chance [07:56:24] There is none [07:56:27] I don't mind if I lose my progress cuz its only 20 mins of work but if I can somehow retrieve it back it'll be nice [07:56:29] Fair enough [07:56:33] I already tried to restore access and it returned [07:56:39] I think maybe a few hours [07:56:50] otherwise, the entire farm will go down for everyone across the world [07:57:14] :PamThumbsUp: [08:12:11] [1/3] > Today's attack has been stronger than usual and is not giving up. To minimize the effects of the attack, we have temporarily disabled access to Miraheze from Asia. If you are in Asia, you may notice that Miraheze may be completely offline. We apologize for the inconvenience. We are working to figure out a better solution which will not affect the entire farm while also mitiga [08:12:12] [2/3] ting the attack. [08:12:12] [3/3] explains why I can't access Miraheze [08:12:19] oh well, time to use VPN if that works [08:12:19] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [08:19:53] VPN should work, yes [08:20:08] You can proxy to Europe and it should work [08:23:50] yeah it works, thx [08:38:54] Is using european private dns works? [08:40:44] doesn't hurt to try I reckon [08:41:13] <.labster> Oh well, it’s just Asia, hardly any people live there [08:41:45] the english internet effect is strong sometimes [08:42:08] [1/2] Almost ten DDoS--?! [08:42:08] [2/2] 'Tis crazy… [08:42:08] Should do [08:46:24] tell that to more than half of the world 😂 [08:47:13] <.labster> No one goes there any more, it’s too crowded [08:47:23] Not even tourists? [08:49:22] <.labster> Just tourists and bots I’m afraid [08:52:04] So no business travels to Asia? [09:03:14] [1/2] > we have temporarily disabled access to Miraheze from Asia [09:03:14] [2/2] oh my (im in Japan) [09:07:43] Where does it originate from? What group is behind it? [09:07:52] Any ideas? [09:10:28] Asia [09:11:18] lol [09:11:30] <.labster> what supergroup is behind it? [[w:Asia (band)]] [09:11:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_(band) [09:11:31] [09:11:32] idk man, I doubt the likes of previous mc script kiddies could pull the scale of these attacks [09:12:27] Russia, China, India, I mean. It's a vast continent 😄 [09:12:44] pretty much [09:16:48] Previously we've traced all attacks to Minecraft users [09:16:59] This has been fairly large though [09:17:32] I say we. In most cases that's been the best guess of the police. [09:18:15] from gaza to west papua [09:19:03] indeed [09:20:12] But most cybercrime comes from those more tech-savvy countries [09:21:36] <9021007> why does my FPS drop in dark mode lmfao [09:21:47] <9021007> i would send a video but links are automod blocked [09:22:14] you should #verify to send links [09:22:47] It's called a botnet [09:22:58] The last one was an American teenager [09:24:06] I just hope the FBI pay him a visit before the statue of limitations expires [09:24:36] What's the SoL on that? 15 years? Or am I thinking of something else? [09:25:09] <9021007, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222160566378827873/1223200143738929152/Screen_Recording_2024-03-29_at_2.20.23_AM.mov?ex=6618fce8&is=660687e8&hm=053abd1fd6dbac4ca491584c6a3d9d0cd77b2209fc3cca51c40d445be3697e14& [09:26:43] Not sure, I don't understand US law [09:27:08] UK police were great. We got a photo of his face, name and address. [09:27:24] They did that in a couple of weeks [09:27:35] With the help of the community [09:27:49] US police ain't done shit in 4 months [09:28:14] As with the last one, if you know anything about the attacks, please do come forward and do not investigate yourselves. [09:28:53] [1/5] In the United States, the statute of limitations (SoL) for Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks on websites can vary depending on the specific circumstances and the jurisdiction where the offense occurred. Generally, there is no specific federal statute of limitations for cybercrimes like DDoS attacks. Instead, it may fall under the broader category of c [09:28:54] [2/5] omputer crimes or offenses related to unauthorized access to computer systems. [09:28:54] [3/5] However, each state has its own statutes of limitations for various crimes, including computer-related offenses. These statutes typically range from one to several years, depending on the severity of the offense and the specific state laws. For example, some states may have a statute of limitations of three years for computer crimes, while others may have longer [09:28:54] [4/5] or shorter periods. [09:28:55] [5/5] It's essential to consult the specific laws of the state where the DDoS attack occurred to determine the applicable statute of limitations. Additionally, in cases where the attack crosses state lines or involves federal computer systems, federal laws and statutes of limitations may apply. [09:31:27] Thank you OpenAI [09:50:33] 😄 [09:56:43] <9021007> [1/2] ugh [09:56:44] <9021007> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223209216320475180/image.png?ex=6619055b&is=6606905b&hm=7a04305d8a0824e52babd20540623067e2de5918612f395bc7eecf6eeb385138& [09:58:03] <9021007> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223209549834489867/image.png?ex=661905aa&is=660690aa&hm=8fb19f6c64af8166169fa31d99e0ea4c52d4e97ed6378c9b9964f1e4613c27a7& [09:58:33] [1/2] ah. [09:58:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223209676322377819/image.png?ex=661905c8&is=660690c8&hm=3fca2ab5198e445498e6ef0f1bb08ea7292dd5f149f8d6904b3dc4ce3a387946& [09:58:38] where are these DDoS attacks even coming from [09:59:23] thankfully VPNs do work [09:59:26] <9021007> why would someone attack Miraheze??? [10:02:03] Minecraft [10:03:52] that was previous times tho [10:04:44] not to succumb into conspiracy but ... [10:07:40] [1/7] Hello everyone! [10:07:41] [2/7] First of all, thank you for approving and hosting my wiki! [10:07:41] [3/7] I'll be using the wiki as a place of documentation for my ever-growing worldbuilding project and any related work. [10:07:41] [4/7] I have basically zero experience when it comes to MediaWiki and Miraheze though, which is also where I encounter my first issue: [10:07:42] [5/7] I'm currently in a stage where I want myself to be the only one able to edit the wiki. I have set my wiki to private, but I obviously plan on either inviting people/adding users or making the entire wiki public eventually. Is there a way to automatically protect all pages upon creation or any other way to restrict editing for anyone besides the admins etc.? I have already rem [10:07:42] [6/7] oved the editing and creating pages permissions from the "everyone" group, not sure if that solves the issue already. [10:07:42] [7/7] Thanks! [10:07:51] I don't believe we've identified a motive for the current attacks [10:08:21] Moving the edit right will do that [10:09:12] Well, then thank you very much! ^^ [10:09:46] Happy to help [10:10:14] Train WiFi might be about to screw my abilities up but ask away if you got more questions [10:11:44] Easy stuff I can help with too 😉 [10:11:57] [1/3] Oh I'll probably have a metric ton more over time... [10:11:57] [2/3] For example this one right now: [10:11:58] [3/3] Is there a way to get a list of all pages in your wiki or is that handled by categories from what my quick search tells me? [10:12:48] Special:AllPages or ListPages [10:13:03] One of them exists [10:13:09] I forget which way round they are [10:13:19] Special:NewPages exists also [10:13:43] It's ListFiles and AllPages ^^ [10:14:02] There's also one for Users [10:14:17] And an alias to the users one with a filter for Admins [10:14:33] You can see all special pages on Special:SpecialPages [10:15:04] that is indeed bery useful to know, thanks! [10:16:21] [1/2] finally figured it out [10:16:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223214156627316778/image.png?ex=661909f5&is=660694f5&hm=885d7b5d340521f2350d464259740f1d66d522ad07ea2b6aca4e86c95ff59f28& [10:16:34] 🙏 [10:18:08] What's that about? [10:18:14] vpn [10:18:21] i live in asia [10:18:25] its a vpn [10:21:10] Ah okay. [10:26:19] Yeah, no longer accessible in Taiwan/Formosa without VPN. [10:26:22] <9021007> [1/2] uploads being bad rn [10:26:22] <9021007> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223216676997173248/image.png?ex=66190c4e&is=6606974e&hm=865f6b99b65247539b89924357ee5421c5497030cacc7712c6c68bef08757c7b& [10:26:32] 🫠 [10:28:28] <9021007> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223217205806759946/image.png?ex=66190ccc&is=660697cc&hm=2f6079a93187263f01588b5ee3e9fc6c5b76195147ec71b7014a82be7ee01eeb& [10:30:58] <9021007> [1/2] oh my, the errors keep happening [10:30:58] <9021007> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223217834734391337/image.png?ex=66190d62&is=66069862&hm=fe018ad9dfe83cae82c079bbd3d6b2bf0b8a3eaab62e188de42617f7336742d0& [10:35:59] No need to share screenshots [10:36:18] <9021007, replying to rodejong> 👍 [10:36:23] Do you live in Asia? [10:36:28] <9021007, replying to rodejong> North America [10:36:36] ok [10:36:47] What are you trying to do? [10:37:00] Just accessing? [10:37:06] or uploading? [10:39:54] <9021007, replying to rodejong> uploading images [10:40:13] <9021007> via clipboard paste in the visual editor, if that helps [10:41:43] I never ever used Visual Editor (VE) [10:41:45] Browsing around for reliable vpns as well, how's wireguard work [10:42:10] <9021007, replying to rodejong> yeah i use it only for clipboard uploading images, then i edit in source [10:42:11] I don't think you can do that through VE [10:42:22] <9021007, replying to rodejong> oh it works if i dismiss and retry a few times [10:42:29] <9021007> its how ive done most of the images on my wiki [10:42:30] Okay [10:42:35] wireguard is just a program, it doesn't come with any VPNs [10:42:40] Oh right [10:42:49] <9021007> really it's a protocol, but uea [10:43:33] [1/2] Understood. I learned something new 😄 [10:43:34] [2/2] But I think you could open a support thread for that [10:43:58] <9021007, replying to rodejong> i would image that it's happening bc of the ddos attack honestly [10:44:13] <9021007> like it would happen on occasion before but now it's every single images takes like 2-3 tries [10:44:20] Don't think so, as they blocked off Asia now [10:44:25] <9021007> hmmm [10:44:27] <9021007> then idk [10:44:51] Otherwise try uploading through the Special:Upload [10:44:55] I used protonvpn for the config files [10:44:59] then downloaded wireguard [10:45:08] pretty good [10:45:32] wireguard is nerfed hard where I am [10:45:53] running from one vpn/protocol to another [10:45:56] not like the protocol is even hiding itself tbh [10:46:14] I wouldn't rely on wireguard for censorship circumvention [10:46:29] yeah we figured lol [10:47:29] <9021007, replying to rodejong> the Special:Upload page doesn't take clipboard pastes unfortunately. VisEd is the best option I have [10:47:30] Are you using Windows? [10:47:34] <9021007, replying to rodejong> Mac [10:47:54] Does it have a paint program like Windows? [10:48:01] <9021007, replying to rodejong> sure, why? [10:48:09] are you trying to upload several files? [10:48:15] Just save it as a file and upload it [10:48:23] <9021007, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yes [10:48:40] at once I mean [10:48:42] <9021007, replying to rodejong> the reason to use clipboard is so that i dont have to save it lol [10:48:55] <9021007, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yes, i paste the images one after the other [10:49:07] no, that's what I thought [10:49:09] eh [11:13:28] <.tounae_official> [1/2] what happened to asian IP [11:13:28] <.tounae_official> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223228530800984064/image.png?ex=66191758&is=6606a258&hm=432a1d4ef3d20155aca855ad149e8aeef4442d593c2070224ed0641cc32bdd63& [11:13:32] <.tounae_official> what should we do [11:13:41] Use a VPN [11:14:03] Asia is locked out for the moment due to a massive DDos attack [11:14:15] <.tounae_official> Is this temporary or permanent? [11:14:21] Temporary [11:14:40] <.tounae_official> oh I see💀 [11:14:55] [1/2] We have no time horison when this is resolved. [11:14:55] [2/2] See the Announcement [11:15:10] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1223177185712672862 [11:37:19] whaat [11:37:22] no from asia [11:37:26] bruh [11:44:12] @notaracham farthestfrontierwiki's image import is done [12:04:00] i can't even use protonvpn because it forces me to use a japan server [12:04:25] yeah [12:04:27] its why i used wireguard [12:04:34] are the ips that are ddosing you literally just "asia" [12:04:35] you need to download the conf file provided by protonvpn [12:04:47] they offer 3 free server [12:04:53] netherlands, the us and japan yeah [12:06:55] [1/2] is there anyway to make the infobox be always above in mobile like wikipedia? im getting this issue [12:06:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223241979861794866/image.png?ex=661923de&is=6606aede&hm=d55ed8249c9ae62e58023a338fdb6ff08feb04c3a75804c6bab97cfab95d66dd& [12:07:09] Our teams are doing as much as they can. The attacks we've seen over the last few days are unprecedented. [12:07:35] this is very strange [12:07:51] what kind of infobox is that? [12:08:26] Consideration is being taken to engaging professional support to assist in how we can mitigate the attacks and once we've had time to collect evidence and gather relevant information, where they are legitimate lines of enquiry, a report may be prepared for law enforcement [12:08:44] where i got it from? [12:09:26] i feel like if you put the ip into whois it should probably tell a bit more than just "asia" [12:10:21] I mean, there's clearly more than country IPs [12:11:25] but let them cook [12:11:43] alr [12:11:43] I'm sure they'll find a way out and everything what Rhinos sqid [12:12:23] [1/2] I mean how it's coded, or that [12:12:23] [2/2] portable, table, lua [12:12:39] also which skin is that and is that mobile mode [12:12:54] Lua and citizen theme [12:12:56] yes its mobile [12:13:17] im using an emulator since im in asia and my laptop is the only one that has a vpn [12:13:33] but im having the same issue on mobile too [12:49:43] Would you like to have to do that when you're hitting millions of requests a second [12:49:50] For every single ip being used [12:50:15] theres many ips? [12:50:20] sorry i didnt know that lol [12:50:28] That's the definition of a DDoS [12:50:43] It would be a DoS if it wasn't distributed [12:51:08] The first D is distributed [12:51:17] disturbing [12:51:25] dddos [12:52:04] I can very much assure you that we don't limit access to entire continents unless it's our only option [12:52:24] It is an unprecedented response to an unprecedented attack [12:53:21] Someone must not like our democracy [12:53:46] To use them zoomer terms. Sounds like a skill issue ngl [12:56:24] All in all considering the scale we doing great [12:56:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223254445064716338/image0.jpg?ex=66192f7a&is=6606ba7a&hm=9a9b5c507556a5353a547eefd49367dc40d0138d8aec9f0c16cc9da8e866dc45& [13:03:24] John is that you [13:03:45] FUCK I’m compromised [13:57:15] damn [13:57:24] who even is ddosing [14:00:14] [1/2] So uh [14:00:15] [2/2] Why am I getting a "connection reset" [14:00:32] Ah [14:00:44] Cool [14:01:14] #announcements [14:01:20] Really cool. [14:01:27] if you are in Asia you'll have to use VPN [14:01:32] this is temporary [14:01:52] all of us are worried/annoyed [14:02:08] why? [14:02:40] that's only needed in Chinese Mainland [14:03:30] Please read the announcement. [14:04:17] ah [14:04:36] This is a rather awful way to deal with this? [14:05:48] it is [14:05:49] So uh. Is this going to stay like this for entirety of the DDoS? Or will this be refined to a better filter now that you have some breathing room? [14:05:57] this is temporary while we work on a better solution [14:06:26] we just needed a quick way to bring the farm back [14:06:33] so that's why we went with this for now [14:06:35] Ah, fair [14:06:52] well, why Asia? [14:06:55] It would be nice to have something on, I dunno, Twitter or elsewhere [14:07:10] the ddos must be not from Chinese Mainland [14:07:12] because that's where the IPs involved in the DDoS came from [14:07:27] Because I can't open the main site. I couldn't even join this place without some finangling of stuff [14:07:32] the police officers will notice that before you [14:07:39] ...wut? [14:08:32] the great fire wall can not only stop the attack from the outside [14:08:45] but can also notice the attack to the outside [14:09:07] Not touching this. [14:09:16] how about we stop speculating? [14:09:28] @cssrwrwk what you are saying is irrelevant [14:09:41] It's nothing to do with the great firewall [14:09:51] and Miraheze sometimes can not be connected through China Mobile [14:10:23] Fun fact: Fandom has been under DDoS attacks from the mainland of China IPs for the past few months. [14:10:50] We're aware that China mainland blocks at least some Miraheze wikis (specially those involving communism in any form), unfortunately we can't do anything about that. [14:10:53] [1/2] I do hope the filters get refined and the problematic ASNs identified ^^" It's... rather frustrating. The biggest issue for me is the utter lack of information because all the information about this even happening is uh. Well it requires you checking the miraheze site for points of communication? [14:10:53] [2/2] A twitter or bluesky post would be nice [14:11:25] agree, a twitter post would be helpful [14:11:35] yeah, only two wikis [14:11:36] MacFan4000: ^ [14:12:06] 啊？ [14:12:28] True. [14:12:29] As soon as a better solution can be found, it will be implemented. [14:13:07] At the moment, it's a hard balance between being down for everyone or only being down for those connecting via Asia [14:13:36] i cant connect to miraheze for some reason [14:13:45] #announcements [14:13:45] #announcements [14:13:46] I'm just using a Tor window on Brave to access Miraheze for now. VPN too, if you need to keep working till this is resolved. [14:14:10] oh [14:14:20] If you have access to Tor, that has not been blocked and can also be used to access and edit Miraheze if you don't have a VPN [14:14:29] ...if you need Tor, you don't uh, need brave specifically, just anything, btw [14:14:46] (I have some... issues about Brave) [14:15:20] Yes, but the Brave window option makes it convenient for me. [14:15:52] Up to you, anything that allows connection to Miraheze actually. [14:16:30] Ugh. DDoS sucks, hope it lets down and you can filter things a bit [14:16:58] who can get benefits from the attack? [14:17:39] I went here rather angry because frankly "Block anything that's not USA/EU/AU/CA" is way too damn common thing to do by various sites. So that was my first thought as to what happened and so I was more than a bit annoyed. [14:18:10] any ETA for when asia will be unblocked? some users of my wiki are complaining and it would help to give them some sort of expectation [14:19:40] Notice posted [14:19:50] thx [14:20:14] Really appreciate it, thank you! [14:20:44] [1/2] sadly none, we have only "as soon as solution is found" [14:20:44] [2/2] VPN etc can help [14:21:01] thanks [14:21:52] The Government of the PRC blocks Miraheze’s websites [14:23:23] To solve this problem, you must seek help from the government of the PRC [14:24:20] @honglan233 the block of Asia is nothing to do with China [14:24:57] We have taken the decision to temporarily limit access due to an ongoing DDoS [14:25:44] Okay, it seems I made a mistake😂 [14:29:37] No eta on when the Asia block will be gone? Just whenever the attacks stop I assume [14:30:00] correct, no ETA at this time [14:33:17] <_elective.cs> not all the places can't connent? [14:33:58] #announcements [14:34:14] <_elective.cs> asia :thonking: [14:34:35] the attack is going from a wide range of IP in there [14:35:19] so at the moment is the only way to keep platform accessible, Asian users will have to use VPN [14:35:35] SRE is looking for better solutions [14:42:19] <_elective.cs> [1/2] ok bro [14:42:20] <_elective.cs> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223281090278719529/Screenshot_2024-03-29-22-41-38-885_com.android.chrome.jpg?ex=6619484b&is=6606d34b&hm=a93a95437a4e88e4b9588c8725ff35229a9c77b7dba955868a4737f3f72317a0& [15:31:34] oh noes!1!1!1! the goanimate logo kids are ddossing our wikifarm!1!11!!1 [15:33:04] Why would Miraheze block ALL of Asia over attacks coming from a few countries? I guess it’s because they looked at the server logs and saw multiple IP addresses from different Asian countries? [15:35:11] @mrbradlerz there are (apparently) 2 million requests from exclusively Asian IPs that have made the entire site stop working [15:35:48] Pretty sure that the site being geofenced so that 4.7 billion people can't use indefinitely is something that the attackers want to happen [15:37:21] Way higher [15:37:34] The peak was apparently 2 million a second [15:39:43] I guess you’re saying Miraheze surrendered to the attackers? [15:40:13] In my opinion, yes [15:40:26] The attackers want the site to be offline, and now it's offline for half the world [15:41:04] [1/2] That’s a whole lot! I understand why you had to do such a drastic thing to stop the attackers! [15:41:04] [2/2] Someone on this server thinks Miraheze “surrendered” because over half the world’s population was blocked. [15:41:13] Yes [15:41:22] That means 4.7 less people who can donate as well! [15:41:30] Half the world's population being blocked is really what was expected [15:41:44] *not expected [15:42:10] Now they’ll lose out on donations from 4.7 billion people! [15:42:25] ? [15:42:40] Donations are not the concern [15:42:51] I know. [15:42:58] Miraheze/WikiTide will consider all appropriate legal remedies when the time is right. [15:43:31] Filing a lawsuit against the DDoSers is expensive and there's no guarantee you'd win [15:43:42] It is also a criminal offence [15:43:58] Not in every jurisdiction [15:44:02] There's never any guarantee [15:45:42] Why are people attacking Mira [15:45:46] Like what’s the motive [15:46:28] The police said last time that the motive was Minecraft users angry at each other [15:46:38] Lmao [15:55:38] but it didn't go down? [16:00:54] only two wikis [16:02:50] one is the uncyclopedia [16:04:20] years before, former Miraheze user 游魂 has reported some wikis that announced the normal citizens of China's personal information to the Miraheze [16:05:03] I have sent the emails before his report to try to let the Stewards close them too [16:05:51] I tried to explain the wikis are illegal not only to the Chinese law, but also the British law [16:06:05] finally, they are closed [16:06:21] but the founder of the wikis announced my telephone number [16:06:43] Yikes [16:06:50] and they tried to announce my ID card number [16:06:59] but fortunately [16:07:04] they failed [16:07:49] So I think Miraheze's review of certain aspects is too loose [16:08:04] the former means [16:08:20] he has killed himself [16:08:41] he had some problems in mental health [16:08:45] or maybe her [16:09:05] transgender [16:09:12] I don't know how to call... [16:09:16] uhhh [16:09:24] That's creepy [16:09:25] let's stop there chied [16:09:39] you can still find the record of the report [16:10:17] I just wanna tell sometimes the block is necessary [16:10:21] sometimes is not [16:10:28] it is just a tool [16:10:30] over [16:13:56] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests?oldid=123323 [16:14:00] the record [16:16:08] Because of this, miraheze became an accomplice of the Chinese police in the hit circle🤣 [16:16:22] jokers [16:18:14] After detecting the attack, they initially blocked all IPs from the mainland of China from accessing Fandom for a period of time. Now, they have modified this to only block certain IP ranges from the mainland of China. [16:19:21] holy fuck [16:19:26] it was you [16:21:44] god [16:24:22] Oh wow [16:24:28] That's unfortunate [16:24:45] But yeah I agree with OrangeStar, that's a bit too heavy to discuss here [16:36:23] google analytics [16:46:00] Hi! I need to know a answer of a question. [16:47:40] Hi! [16:47:47] what's your question [16:49:23] <.tounae_official> I would like to know if it is possible to implement inactive exemptions for some wikis if the lockdown measures are maintained for a longer period of time... [16:49:35] <.tounae_official> 🤔 [16:50:34] <.tounae_official> anyway not every user know how to use VPN [16:55:07] If you're worried about the wiki going inactive, it only needs one edit every, what, 30, 45 days? So long as you can use a vpn, or have someone else make an edit every few weeks, you should be fine. [16:55:28] we don't think the block will go on for that long by the way [16:56:09] <.tounae_official> [1/2] alright [16:56:10] <.tounae_official> [2/2] I think it's ok to solve the problem within 15days [16:56:38] <.tounae_official> It seems to depend on when the attacker gets bored lol [16:57:56] Connectivity in Asia has been restored. I will be monitoring if the attack returns. [16:58:21] [1/2] Also, I have a question too. So, I noticed one of my pages wasn't showing up on searches, and I wanted to check the google search console thing to see if it knew the page existed, but the search console says my email doesn't have access to this property. I could've sworn I had this sorted out before but now I can't remember what I did, so, uhh, where do I put the metatag? Or t [16:58:22] [2/2] he html file? idk what to do. I can't find any place to put the tag in the managewiki settings, and I don't seem to have the tag anywhere on the main page, but I swear that I used to have the search console thingy set up [17:07:20] [1/2] @bluemoon0332 [17:07:20] [2/2] Could I move to my own host ? Could I get backup? If be moved. [17:07:41] I see [17:08:24] Well, first you're going to need an XML backup of the contents, which you can do yourself at Special:DataDump on your wiki [17:08:50] then you'll need an image dump, which you can request at [[Phorge]] [17:08:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [17:08:51] [17:09:19] and then will have to run some maint scripts to import all of that to your wiki, as well as any work needed after that [17:09:44] we can't help with this last part though, for that you'll need to either do it yourself or hire someone to do this for you [17:10:20] [1/2] in additional settings, SEO tab there are key fields, Google's should be filled w/ whatever Google gave you on verification [17:10:21] [2/2] try to open search console page under different Google accounts, if you have several, happens quite often in my browser [17:11:37] [1/2] that looks like this to me [17:11:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223318659917676685/image.png?ex=66196b48&is=6606f648&hm=c3c15df96786c5e762a526a890003f304407a2ef8d85ea0bfd8fbb18c851a4c5& [17:11:42] big ask, do we know who's doing it this time, or who might be doing it? i mean someone talked about angry minecraft kids for the previous one [17:12:52] and yeah, I tried under every account- I swear it used to be working though! [17:13:32] No, it's pretty random. They didn't attack one single definitive URL [17:13:40] [1/2] we don't know [17:13:40] [2/2] scales of current DDoS are much bigger than of script kiddies [17:13:47] We said Minecraft last time but it was just a theory and it probably wasn't it [17:15:00] perhaps professional criminals hoping to extort miraheze or working for someone [17:19:51] [1/2] @bluemoon0332 [17:19:52] [2/2] I can't reaching to miraheze.org [17:20:45] [1/2] are you in asia? [17:20:46] [2/2] if so #announcements [17:21:36] dont need a vpn anymore, thank god [17:23:40] Connectivity in Asia has been restored apparently [17:24:08] If they were sophisticated attackers they'd be asking for extortion payments or something by now though [17:27:53] [1/2] trying to make an infobox, put the code for one in a template. why is it showing up like this? [17:27:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223322756331077732/image.png?ex=66196f19&is=6606fa19&hm=94d7f4f3c80082f36e6ece58ffedf3bd879dde4712fd429686fb68f12db6a040& [17:28:50] it's hard to tell, better drop a link [17:29:00] https://allsaintsstreet.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox/Character?action=edit [17:33:27] [1/2] i managed to get it to work, but the gallery function isnt working and its only showing the first tab. [17:33:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223324154074370078/image.png?ex=66197066&is=6606fb66&hm=541dcf381165610d02f787a57597e2dd1b311c984d72a41872c39f5b60ab62e7& [17:34:05] nvm im stupid [17:37:14] [1/2] im having a problem though where the labels are cutting off midway through the word. zooming out doesnt change this, for some reason its constricting itself [17:37:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223325108257689650/image.png?ex=6619714a&is=6606fc4a&hm=f3b0e8fe875f40ac36fe00a322f4e14c3b050ea90606f2def9d8fe764321417a& [18:12:00] [1/3] this isnt changing the colours of the background 😔 [18:12:00] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223333759605014648/image.png?ex=66197958&is=66070458&hm=0200a18953aa214382c180a349844244125d5db19d5fbabda8befcb2b02d737c& [18:12:00] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223333759919849643/image.png?ex=66197958&is=66070458&hm=beee8e579da050c401697fb742f2cc94ab35195cd6ac70d4987ac65c4cdd7ebe& [18:13:22] [1/2] sometimes you just gotta [18:13:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223334201538121819/ezydutc7rcg31.png?ex=661979c2&is=660704c2&hm=2b45c37ade1f9e0c0ca6d46ef63f64b58b941f111e6b5d186244b9626e091696& [18:15:05] slaps roof of css this baby can hold so much !important in it [18:15:52] it did not work 😔 [18:23:29] lol [18:37:44] The first color looks like it should work so I'm curious, did you wait for the css to update? It can take some time for it to apply it haha. When you're not sure if something will work or not I suggest checking first with your personal css (Special:MyPage/common.css), that one updates instantly. [18:57:10] its still relatively weird to me that the choice is to block an entire continent rather than use a DDOS protection service like CloudFlare or CloudFront [18:57:56] Cloudflare would break all custom domains [18:58:07] apparently Fandom done almost the same thing [18:58:08] Asked and answered [18:58:19] ^ [18:59:08] epic! [18:59:31] relatable [19:01:19] DDOS again? [19:01:19] Never mind. [19:02:04] It was throwing 502s for a few minutes. [19:03:16] ^^^ [19:03:24] Moving to CF would change a lot of things [19:03:46] The primary reason that we, in the past, didn't is because of privacy concerns [19:03:58] but I think usability of the service outweighs privacy concerns at this time [19:09:03] Out of curiosity, I Google'd "wikimedia ddos protection" and this came up: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-ca/case-studies/wikimedia-foundation/ [19:14:04] indeed, they use Magic Transit but that's a bit more complex [20:06:26] Does anyone know how I could access the File: namespace using AWB? [20:07:15] In this case I need to mass-categorize files with specific content in their nnames [20:12:07] [1/2] Aha, looks like Special Pages -> All pages (File:) -> Filter seems to be what I needed [20:12:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223364086683668570/image.png?ex=66199597&is=66072097&hm=27926d6adc220fcf5110ec4ff859525e112cde9c8952b773520951159a6c5925& [20:27:20] over ten ddos attacks this week yet i've experienced none of them [20:27:30] https://tenor.com/view/mjisalwaysking-shooney-stan-twitter-stan-twt-gif-26548754 [20:29:20] time zones magic [20:30:11] experienced 2 [20:30:54] this is my good karma after the week where my miraheze kept going down [20:31:19] and the week in january where i couldn't upload photos and the pages i were working on were literally file heavy 😭 [21:34:32] [1/2] installed tabs extension and it doesnt display right [21:34:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223384828523708526/YXfDvLr.png?ex=6619a8e8&is=660733e8&hm=ea491cbdda5614855d42a2f3439ae20316367bd7f78642571c7fd03e783d0f8d& [21:34:34] great [21:34:41] nvm [21:50:04] [1/2] Can I suggest that you wait a bit when you hit a problem? You tend to be quick in sharing a screenshot of it, but often fix it before we can have a look/can help you. [21:50:04] [2/2] Take a breather, think first, try to fix it, and if it still doesn't work, then come to Discord. Then you don't have to write "nvm" that often 😉 [22:24:24] how would i make my wiki have a forced dark mode + a custom image background? I'm very new to miraheze so i'm not the greatest atm, also if anyone knows of a starters guide playlist/video it would much appreciated! finding out how to do things is a lil difficult [22:34:45] Wiki appearances can be customized with CSS (there are quite a few tutorials on the Internet on how to learn it) at MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:[skinname].css; Inspect Element will be helpful in determining which elements to modify [22:34:47] ddos still ? [22:35:31] ohh ok thanks! i knew about the common.css i just wasn't entirely sure what to change, ill keep the inspect element thing in note! [22:36:19] Miraheze appears to be a little slower than usual, but I don't think any DDoS is occurring at the moment [22:38:37] “For the linux folks https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 a peculiar backdoor was recently discovered in xz apparently from one of the maintainers getting their github account compromised unknowingly.” [22:38:51] I just noticed sometimes with the file server uploading an image it doesn't always work but it works now [22:41:00] Likely intentional rather than a compromise [22:41:06] [1/2] @firestar464 [22:41:07] [2/2] No, Now i am able to access as previous time. [22:43:44] You just need to write this way: ´´´´at the very start of your infobox template [22:46:05] Check the link… it’s literally mentioned in the article… [22:46:54] I have read it [22:47:01] And multiple other sources [22:47:08] [1/2] I still get this error every now and then [22:47:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1223403096793677844/image.png?ex=6619b9ec&is=660744ec&hm=f58077d9099cfef44833e50a1d2738e37193ebc39c289674ba56add87d1aed44& [22:50:03] Alright, i might be tired [22:51:44] More arch specific info: https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/ [22:56:50] They are very strong indications it was a fairly sophisticated, deliberate action rather than anyone's account being compromised [22:57:12] I see [22:59:14] Good night everyone. [22:59:23] what did I miss? [23:00:19] nothing mission critical [23:00:24] Maintainer probably deliberately adding a backdoor to a widely used package [23:00:27] Why are you talking about a DDos attack? Someone tried to hack something? [23:00:35] nothing new on that either [23:00:38] Long story [23:00:52] the package is prob more an ot thing [23:36:08] Hi hello where should I ask if I have a question about how to deal with a semi-problematic user we have on our wiki :ThinkerMH: It's partly CVT-related but also mainly just asking for advice as local admins. [23:42:09] Since it's a request for general advice, asking here would be in topic, thought asking in #cvt or making a #support thread are options [23:54:39] Are DDOS attacks against Miraheze still going on? [23:54:46] <.labster, replying to johnmcgurkus> DDoS is not hacking (the botnets they use often are) [23:55:40] <.labster> They only seem to happen during Asian prime hours [23:56:24] <.labster> I’d expect another one late tonight [23:57:13] [1/5] Oh well I can always repost the relevant part with more details in cvt so here is nice, thanks 👍 [23:57:14] [2/5] Historically the main problem with this user has been that they're mainly a Chinese contributor who also try to edit the English pages, which the language barrier has made difficult. They made a lot of low-quality edits, attempts to communicate with them hardly succeeded, and we eventually had to block them (twice, because their edits still had mostly the [23:57:14] [3/5] same issues after the first one ended; the second block being indefinite). Recently, they reached out to let us know that they made an alt account to keep editing and hoped we could lift the ban. [23:57:14] [4/5] The thing is, they're not a vandal, they most likely have good intent, the overall quality of their edits has definitely improved, and they're mainly a Chinese contributor so it feels unfair to block them just for some English edits - but they did violate a Miraheze rule by evading the block. I'm assuming the alt account will probably get locked once repor [23:57:14] [5/5] ted in cvt but regarding their main account, is there anything you would you recommend :ThinkerMH: I fear this might turn into an endless spiral of them evading blocks and reducing our trust even if they would otherwise deserve it more, partly just because of flawed communication.