[00:49:14] why is my wiki running es5? [00:49:27] even the code editor thinks its es6 [00:49:31] and the browser is es6 too [01:08:37] :6stars: [01:42:35] <.labster> ES7 when? [01:45:43] isnt es7 already out [01:46:56] after es6 they just started naming versions after years [01:47:23] so either you could consider es2016 is es7 or there will never be an es7 [03:31:04] already out lol [04:02:30] WikiTide my beloved [04:25:47] ES8 will come out right after [04:33:48] Up to ES14 already exists I'm pretty sure [04:51:07] @wikitide TOUGHTS? [04:54:33] What is LTA in "Anti-LTA filter"? [04:54:40] long term abuse [04:58:26] I am Beast Gohan [05:05:50] Hi Beast Gohan [05:06:40] dragonball? [05:08:52] [1/2] This is the introduction to Sven [05:08:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225311100216672287/Screenshot_20240404-054123.png?ex=6620aae3&is=660e35e3&hm=a3779784f1fb4330bf6ce5766b48115f8798a294fae698c322f734ab1b58dc54& [05:09:04] I invited her to this server because I wanted to know what she'd think of it [05:09:45] bro what does that mean? [05:09:51] Your guess is as good as mine [05:10:00] its just non-sense (sorry for being rude) [05:10:03] what [05:10:19] I'll explain it in #offtopic [05:10:49] [1/6] Is these abuse filter code let prevent some users for edit and deleting on a page? This code is intended to protect the local election from hijacking [05:10:50] [2/6] ``` [05:10:50] [3/6] action == "edit" | "delete" [05:10:50] [4/6] & user_name == "FjattarRefreshment" | "TLE940mrhz" [05:10:50] [5/6] & page_id == "####" [05:10:51] [6/6] ``` [05:11:12] Page id is `####` because it is placeholder [05:11:17] They can just remove the AbuseFilted though, no? [05:11:25] my thought exactly [05:11:42] Should i add User: before the username? [05:12:46] ? [05:12:53] No, that wouldn't effect their ability to remove the AbuseFilter [05:13:05] No [05:13:19] You would have to go and edit whatever groups they have and remove the ability to change filters [05:19:32] and since they are both sysops they'll lost the ability too, right? [05:20:06] I assume so, yeah [05:20:50] unless they make an abuse filter manager group, give it filter permissioms, give it to themselves, then remove the ability for anyone to grant that group [05:21:47] they are stuck in sysop warring on that wiki until one of them drop out [05:36:31] Steward warning have been issued, we continue to monitor. 🤷 [05:36:55] My only wish is that we all find better uses for our hours and get back to the business of making good wikis. [06:18:53] wat do if i know literally nothing about css [06:20:31] it's not as hard as you might think [06:20:42] but depends on what you want to achieve w/ it [06:21:00] Many simple things can be done even if you don't really understand CSS [06:21:09] You don't need to know very much about how it works to achieve simple results [06:22:00] ohlol [06:22:04] ill try search some things up maybe [06:23:54] [1/2] wen pages are made of HTML elements [06:23:55] [2/2] CSS is a way to style them (make them look pretty) w/o clocking up HTML [06:24:05] roughly speaking [06:24:30] ah i see [06:24:33] Between w3schools as a free resource and looking at other folks' code, you cean learn a lot, a lot faster than you think [06:24:44] yeah ^ [06:24:58] but don't try to copy from super complicated/fancy ones [06:25:27] maybe sometime later when you have better grasp [06:25:41] yeah i'd feel guilty if i just cut and pasted a fancy page that i didnt even make 😭 [06:25:50] ill check it out rn, ty [06:26:41] I mean that something might not work depending on skin or on what you want the things look, and it might only hinder you [06:27:11] oh [06:27:27] take easy steps, from basic [06:27:35] we can help too tho [06:28:54] i see tyyy [06:29:07] i think ill jsut try reading w3schools rn, it seems helpful [06:29:20] 👍 [06:30:31] Yeah, great approach to even just get basic familiarity. Easy to get frustrated sidetracked trying to do something crazy like implementing fancy animations, when really what'll add value starting out is even just picking and assigning some colors to things. [06:31:25] And me repeating words is a good sign that I should call it a night and get rest [06:31:56] it's 9am for me and I'm still incoherent lol [06:32:26] gn [06:32:49] lol goodnight guys and thanks for the help [06:49:00] I'm back [06:49:12] good afternoon in vietnamese [07:27:42] Who ping [07:43:58] https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-squonkers-manulware-gif-5918960164691339162 [07:47:16] манулы 🥺 [07:50:33] Uh excuse me, sirs(referring to the cats not you) that is incredibly rude. Why you simply must get control of yourselves! It’s positively unbecoming! [07:52:36] He called me SIR [07:52:39] DEMOTED [07:52:52] https://tenor.com/view/rainworld-scug-gooby-yellow-yellowsquares-gif-711474713443282018 [07:58:41] Haha jokes on your I don’t have any rights to be demoted from! Local wikis not withstanding! [07:58:58] except for patroller on meta but we don’t talk about that [08:05:12] Hello, what's the special page controlling the side navigation bar for default theme? [08:05:13] Thanks. [08:05:39] Not a special page [08:05:46] [[Mediawiki:Sidebar]] [08:05:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Sidebar [08:05:47]

[08:06:01] Thanks a lot. [08:06:21] I suppose if this is a special page so I've never get there🤣 [08:07:21] Most interface messages and text values are in the Mediawiki namespace [08:07:35] Thank you I know [08:26:40] Question for stewards: how many wikis are currently and slash or have been under “steward conservatorship”? [09:13:04] I don't know but this is first precedent since QP shutdown I'm seeing [10:17:09] I'm pretty sure the retro windows wiki is still under conservatorship [10:17:14] can't think of any others though [10:19:18] [1/2] several have been placed under it however, as I recall they have included unbooks (that was a shitshow), amazing youtubers wiki (bureaucrat was getting a little too cozy calling himself owner at the expense of global practices), retro windows wiki (bureaucrat up and disappeared from the platform and I basically put it under cvt management until an LE could be finalized), technically [10:19:18] [2/2] QP was overlooked by stewards for the shutdown procedure [10:21:28] What does that entail? Stewards just act as crats when requested? [10:21:56] basically, and gs basically act as sysops [10:22:24] the idea being they do this until the wiki can reform its own local management since naturally global operatives do not want to play manager for random wikis forever [10:23:03] https://retrowindows.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [10:23:50] [1/2] the process of acquiring new management has not gone well here [10:23:50] [2/2] https://retrowindows.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page [10:24:06] and the place is sustained by ip editing which may or may not need to be reviewed for spam [10:24:28] Hmmmmm. If we go forward with the wiki manager idea, maybe this could be part of their purview to leave more room for stewards to do what they need [10:24:51] the idea of that group was to simply push commonly pushed buttons on valid local community request iirc [10:25:06] once you get them involved in interventions you've greatly expanded the scope to global sysop and steward territory [10:25:55] it's not a term formalized in the miraheze dictionary but I like it to describe the process of global operatives getting involved in local communities which is a big deal, and imo the wiki managers idea should not be involved in 'intervention' actions [10:28:17] I suppose letting them do whatever is needed for wikis under conservatorship makes sense though [10:28:32] given a valid community request and not just whatever they feel like [10:28:59] Fair. My current idea for remaking WM is kinda mini stewards in matters that don’t require controversial decisions. That’s a bad way to describe it actually but uh can’t think of anything better. What you say about intervention may be better actually. Ie undeleting wikis for inactivity but leaving anything related to CP to stewards. [10:29:21] Yeah. They do paper pusher clear cut tasks and act as requested by the community [10:30:06] If things get blurry with policy matters, stewards get called in [10:30:13] yeah, wiki managers should absolutely not be enforcing global policy otherwise everything about that idea may as well roll into steward anyway [10:30:21] ...I think a brand new rfc is getting to that already [10:30:33] [1/2] yep here it is [10:30:33] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_Sysop_reform [10:30:45] roll into global sysop* is what I meant [10:39:39] I’m meh to it [10:39:48] I think there’s definitely potential in a separate group [10:45:24] I might make another group of proposals as an alternative to expanding GS and remaking WM. Or should that be another RFC? Cause this seems like one or the other [10:47:12] the structure of that draft means a different rfc may well be the cleanest way to put it [10:47:36] that or collab with agent to try and make it fit that particular rfc [10:48:02] I'm personally not so fond of having more groups on the table, but then I like it cleaner [10:48:10] I’ll hit up club penguin later [12:29:30] Same, I would not be fond of a new wiki representatives group [12:30:24] Global Sysops already exist and their job is and always has been meant to be that they act as global admins who should be able to press more buttons [12:30:50] rather than making a new group, just have GS do what they were originally meant to be, deputy Stewards [12:31:44] Hm [12:31:55] Global sysops right under the global crats [12:31:56] Mmmmm [12:31:59] Fair [12:32:11] You win this round liberals \j [12:32:33] [1/2] but again, I'm the one who'd run a wiki like this if feasible [12:32:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225422760621244476/image.png?ex=662112e1&is=660e9de1&hm=f86246a928ae4494efd25129e276009590af2491c076a663122b46d0af8fdee6& [12:32:43] I might be slightly extreme [12:33:07] Fun fact: you shouldn't be able to do that [12:33:16] don't try this at home tbh [12:33:29] lmao [12:33:31] There's some groups which are meant to be undeletable but the check is broken [12:33:33] I'd recommend retaining bureaucrat even for one user wonder wikis [12:33:54] cough wiki.gg method cough [12:34:19] the main reason being how email is tied in with bureaucrat for notifications [12:34:40] so unless you're just chronically online like me, you do what I did you'll miss inactivity notices [12:35:07] but if permissions are ever changed up then the defaults will make assumptions and breaks could happen there too [12:47:44] Hi all, I made changes on MediaWiki:Sidebar but it still looks like what the defaults are. may I know how to change the sidebar contents? [12:47:48] Thanks. [12:48:59] The cache for the sidebar is often cleaned once a week. Give it time. To see if it worked, check as anonymous or check in a different skin. [12:50:31] Does the cache apply per-user or per browser session? [12:50:51] I'm changing to another account and it still showing the same. [12:51:00] Link? [12:51:17] https://liao.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar?action=history [12:51:20] tried to purge? [12:51:45] tbh first time hearing that sidebar is that depended [12:52:20] I've experienced it myself a few times on two wiki's [12:52:36] [1/7] ```navigation [12:52:37] [2/7] mainpage|mainpage-description [12:52:37] [3/7] recentchanges-url|recentchanges [12:52:37] [4/7] randompage-url|randompage [12:52:37] [5/7] SEARCH [12:52:38] [6/7] TOOLBOX [12:52:38] [7/7] LANGUAGES``` [12:53:16] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225427973079957697/image.png?ex=662117bc&is=660ea2bc&hm=eb294946a4fc01a46fdf662e55fd5635131542ba5f9a96e981f35eb4fe4569c9& [12:53:19] I just removed the last one under navigation [12:53:57] This is expected, but on both my accounts with current browser it still looking the same [12:54:17] Clear cookies and cache [12:54:29] Or use a different browser [12:54:34] Or logout and login [12:55:46] That was explained to me when I asked for support myself [12:56:50] Cache was cleared before, cookies wasn't [12:58:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225429176677437522/IMG_6773.png?ex=662118db&is=660ea3db&hm=806a56423fe3f6642f4fb3eff92d24ba87c46e348cd57240a65ff22a036c8b81& [12:58:17] I used another Safari sandbox it sill having the deleted one [12:59:54] I think it is attached to the account, but I am not sure. I just know that it is cleared once a week. (I believe on Saturdays?) [13:01:46] Do you know how to flush the cache [13:02:01] Or I'll search for MediaWiki website for it [13:02:15] No This is an automated proces I believe. [13:02:25] I kniw thanks [13:02:27] Know* [13:03:40] my articles are still using the old version of a template even though i updated it, anything up with miraheze cache system? [13:04:11] Did you purge the page? [13:04:24] nope [13:04:29] add ```?action=purge``` behind the websites url [13:04:49] See if this solves it [13:04:55] yeah it did [13:05:03] Great 🙂 [13:05:14] scary option though, thought it would clear everything in the article [13:05:41] Nah, it just refreshes the page in a forceful way 😉 [13:07:46] second most confusing mediawiki thing after "move" lol [13:35:13] Move doesn't move ? [13:36:05] No, it just hops 😉 hehehe [13:37:37] people always think "rename" [13:37:54] it's even funnier that in other languages it literally called "rename" [13:51:46] That's very much moving the page tho [13:52:51] It does, but users think it stays on the same place in stead of moving to a different place [13:53:05] (I guess) [13:56:14]