[00:05:34] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [1/2] like what do i do with this? [00:05:34] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225597161463611494/Capture.PNG?ex=6621b54d&is=660f404d&hm=e6f2f3390462ee8544bd06ef9ba052af636ca894c5c62d650e39a7b9aa5b5083& [00:10:55] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> oh shit i got it [00:11:08] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> i had to go through a few old threads but i got it [00:11:54] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> now I just need to figure out how to universally increase the font size because its kinda hard for me to read at 11p or whatever the standard is [00:12:35] Add a rule modifying the `font-size` property to the size you want your font to be [00:13:24] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> does it use the same standard as stuff like word? like I just put "14" if I want 14 point font? [00:16:46] `font-size` requires a unit suffix since it supports multiple units of measurement; for a 14-point font size, add `font-size: 14pt;` [00:17:51] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> hm [00:17:54] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> for some reason it doesnt work [00:18:25] (It is not advised to use pt for font size, px or em is the universally accepted standard) [00:19:07] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> changing to px doesnt work either [00:19:33] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> nor em [00:19:35] Then your css rule is wrong. But we are not mind readers and you have not shared it. [00:20:10] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225600838412537947/Capture.PNG?ex=6621b8ba&is=660f43ba&hm=e0ce28c5b3a9d4820ef9934e4da0b113c3bd7a18a7c1e7fce3c527ac8eb1f2a8& [00:20:50] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> apologies [00:20:52] Try clearing your cache. You might also need a !important im not sure if mediawiki is also setting a font size by default. [00:21:34] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> where would I put the !importaant? [00:22:10] `font-family: "EB Garamond", serif !important;` [00:23:14] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225601607102758982/Capture.PNG?ex=6621b971&is=660f4471&hm=41b3b31363376743067294ce38310fd26dd01a64324d88f4b0e17063d8fd9906& [00:23:29] Looks correct. [00:23:48] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> yeah, i cleared my cache and its still not working [00:25:07] common.css sitewide can take a while to show up [00:25:14] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> alright [00:25:17] it's really best to test in local css space which is instant [00:25:26] then you can be confident when you apply changes in the wiki-wide space [00:25:59] What wiki? [00:26:37] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> https://tetrarchy.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [00:26:51] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> it is currently private, but I can open it if needed [00:28:20] [1/2] works for me? [00:28:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225602891436523530/image.png?ex=6621baa3&is=660f45a3&hm=7b37a657bb064fd106514d835e9d7e784dfe87d2df98e6ebe5367c3484da129e& [00:28:40] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> huh! then it might just take some time to show up as Raidarr said [00:28:54] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> the font is way smaller on my end [00:29:25] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> thank you for your help, genuinely - it's been years since I messed around with any sort of code [00:30:48] np, you'll pick it up [00:35:56] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [1/4] im just putting yours and mine side by side, Original Authority, because if the fonts look the same size on discord then maybe there's an issue in the font size not quite loading in yet or its because my browser is weird - the preference would be for it to look closer to the third image, where the text is visibly bigger [00:35:57] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225604804735144016/Capture.PNG?ex=6621bc6c&is=660f476c&hm=d6bc8b7840a561ed4f7d88038f63ecd63c21c1184f21986845491dd23815fdea& [00:35:57] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225604804999516290/image.png?ex=6621bc6c&is=660f476c&hm=e20b79fad15b40fb49c4e150870713d35b7d154c6438c204e90b31b66bfbcacc& [00:35:57] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225604805339385999/Capture.PNG?ex=6621bc6c&is=660f476c&hm=2b9a2aba5e2473c57dc3d91481596a0434d6fe456e3ea695db2b38247e5fd030& [00:38:12] Try also an !important on the font size the same as with font-family [00:39:28] try doing the font stuff on `.vector-body` [00:39:31] just a hunch [00:39:41] I'd preview it in user css for speed [00:40:38] Using a browser extension such as csspad or whatever its called is also a good shout (that way the styles are applied immediately for previewing) and then once you've got the right style you can add it [00:40:49] https://tetrarchy.miraheze.org/wiki/User:TetrarchyCannonFodder/common.css is what I mean by user css [00:41:29] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> alright, .vector-body is something im unfamiliar with [00:41:46] two tools are godly in this business, w3schools and source inspector [00:41:58] according to the latter, vector-body is what is overriding font size [00:42:30] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> how does that get changed? [00:44:01] [1/2] example in mainspace css (lmk if this is not viewable to you) [00:44:01] [2/2] https://raidarr.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:44:41] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> alright i see it [00:45:13] since that seems to do the trick, simply replace the `body` selector with the `.vector-body` selector in your code [00:45:51] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> adding that worked HELL YEAH [00:47:12] seems like you'd have to do similar to apply it to other areas including sidebar, footer, etc [00:47:32] now the key is ensuring you can figure this sort of thing out so first, what browser are you using? [00:48:54] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> mozilla [00:49:06] nice [00:49:58] [1/2] if you hit f12 you'll get this scary menu [00:49:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225608335152250901/image.png?ex=6621bfb5&is=660f4ab5&hm=be1525483915225712fc1f0c9bbcc23900f085ad0b90be2deb99e5b66293096a& [00:50:28] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [1/2] god this is so good to see, I have problems with vision even with glasses so having a setup where the text is no-matter-what readable to me is very importaant [00:50:28] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225608460276727848/Capture.PNG?ex=6621bfd3&is=660f4ad3&hm=908fbd0974c709c0d518002c975832fc503449464e56d7fb7ec3f6ad7c122673& [00:50:48] [1/2] what I did here was select a bit of text, so maybe you want those sidebar links bigger and want to figure out why they're not... you want this button [00:50:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225608546226405437/image.png?ex=6621bfe8&is=660f4ae8&hm=a27cbd23bcc6e84724b145d1a71ab3a76d9406e7aa47b0a2331dbdb7310e9fe9& [00:51:33] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> it divides the screen into chunks of discrete code from what i can see [00:51:52] with that you can select any element on the page and that's where you can start figuring out what it actually is in css/html speak. The left panel tells you what the element is, the right panel gets you an overview of the styling, and in the right panel you can see that there are specific selectors and those selectors are what make the font size smaller [00:52:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225609051539247106/image.png?ex=6621c060&is=660f4b60&hm=0b3673d5c93c3dca47b0b3bc4148b6b0aabf3f29dfac4106d4d6290a4a95db54& [00:53:36] so you see that `.vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled .vector-pinnable-element .mw-list-item a` (what a mess but that's often vector for you) is forcing the font size on the sidebar there smaller [00:53:55] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [1/3] right [00:53:55] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225609330527698994/Capture.PNG?ex=6621c0a3&is=660f4ba3&hm=53e782c12c2dd2b4a3bd4183a0e3e768f8844c446b18192b77fbf923ab912730& [00:53:56] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225609330804392046/Capture.PNG?ex=6621c0a3&is=660f4ba3&hm=1b070225e29be186ed15c993842e3df109999a58d717b5c60ff20a90e1cd5e0d& [00:54:05] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> it highlighted the sidebar when i scrolled over that line [00:55:26] except I'm trying to do something with it now and my experiment didn't actually work... which is the problem, sometimes you have to experiment what to select [00:56:00] and if you still can't get it you might have to go a bit further out and slam it with a !important as suggested before, which is not as elegant as the solution with the .vector-body from above but can get you farther [00:56:20] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> alright [00:56:25] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> thank you for this [00:57:23] ...it did work and I forgot my own rule of waiting for MediaWiki:Common.css to update across the wiki [00:59:01] [1/2] so the selectors I've got here will work for both content body and sidebar; similar steps could do it for other areas of the wiki as desired [00:59:01] [2/2] https://raidarr.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:59:51] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> thank you [01:00:30] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> IT WORKED [01:00:38] and for bonus points if you just want to do that on other wikis like meta or wherever the same tricks can be done in personal css, no need to suffer with little text on other wikis :p [01:01:12] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> thank you, i know the struggle of having to teach someone the barest basics of something you're familiar with lmao [01:01:31] well it's interesting because I haven't really played with vector font sizing much tbh [01:01:42] every skin does things differently and vector up and writes its own book on stuff [01:06:15] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [1/2] god its so nice seeing the text laid out and readable like this i cannot thank you enough [01:06:16] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225612435017175081/Capture.PNG?ex=6621c387&is=660f4e87&hm=c3d6f25888d68fddb639492b5a4f8a6fa82ade7049331b3303421a1aa95827c8& [01:06:41] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> this is going to be a huge boon to our project, previously we had been using google docs but the limitations there are immense lmao [01:07:28] <3000000nanitesinatrenchcoat> It's really so much better to have a big, interlinked, wiki-style thing once a project grows to a certain nsize [01:07:52] hope it works out for ya ^^ [01:09:22] they're having a brawl with the orange scrubs and invariably that's going to be the unifying moment for the scrubs as a collective [01:09:52] ignore that [01:33:06] no matter. you have clearly paid off some purgatory time. good for you! [03:41:14] oh the channel organization changed 🤔 [03:47:36] Yep! [03:47:41] Hopefully this makes it easier for users [03:48:00] Also, to unverified users - only #general, #announcements, #info available [03:59:14] has anyone else noticed the job queue not doing its job? categories not filling up or emptying when a template is changed, etc [04:02:09] cc @bluemoon0332 [04:45:18] yeah i've noticed a lot of things cache related are not updating at all [04:45:21] without purging the page [06:00:41] This is being worked on. We switched to new job queue and it takes some time to tune everything perfectly. [06:06:57] [1/2] Would it be possible, to at least give some updates? This is the first I got to know that there is a new Job Queue and we have days with complaints from users who don't see red links turn blue, where we had to advice them to purge pages. [06:06:57] [2/2] It's not negative critisism, but it would have been nice to be able to tell that to them, (and for my self as I also had been hitting the purge link a lot lately.) [06:07:11] Would have saved the confuseion at least 😉 [06:13:21] I myself am sick of spending hours null editing pages [06:16:04] I know the feeling 😄 [06:30:08] If there was a lapse in communication I apologize I've been more busy working on it the past few weeks I haven't really communicated it much. I apologize, do note this is my top priority right now though. [06:53:51] I understand. And as said, it wasn't meant in a negative way, just to make you aware 😉 [06:54:50] yall are making it real hard to steal [06:54:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225700168352141393/image.png?ex=6622153c&is=660fa03c&hm=e10b72bfa306273079b600b5ef74c5f7db393087381764181854f05410549427& [06:55:21] Stealing is bad [06:55:31] But you can borrow [06:55:34] 😉 [06:55:56] stealing is borrowing without asking [06:56:20] 😄 [06:56:46] (and yes i tried to steal the wiki deleted icon) [06:56:56] hehe [08:14:45] Are we under DDos again? [08:14:55] Getting 504's [08:22:25] I finally found a good example of an animated floating modal: https://youtu.be/8AUtM5lqUZM i will try to adapt them to my wiki [08:24:02] I wonder if it can be adapted for global notice too [08:24:09] like the election notice right now [08:27:36] Article version: https://www.codewithfaraz.com/content/33/how-to-create-a-pure-css-modal-popup-window-to-your-website [08:28:01] Yup that is what I’m trying to do with mine [08:28:21] Are you guys getting 504's? [08:29:05] Lot of tutorial i found so far was the use of checkbox which it’s not what i wanted because most modal we got from mediawiki doesn’t have that in the first place… [08:30:43] anything going on? [08:30:45] getting 503 [08:31:03] Yeah I had a 504 a few times now [08:31:42] Seem to be another attempt of DDoS… [08:31:52] Or…. [08:31:55] goodbye asia again lol [08:31:58] Maintenance day [08:32:58] I wished those people who attack us with a DDos, would warn us, then I could plan my day differently 😦 [08:37:09] Hm look like i found an article that explains the modal in the simplest way: https://webdesignerhut.com/pure-css-modal-window-effect/ [08:37:31] And that is muuuuuch better! [08:38:38] So, all i need to get it working is the use of :target huh? Fascinating [09:14:37] we'd have no trouble at all perhaps ever if people like that had such courtesies tbh [09:30:56] of course then that would defeat the purpose of the ddos :p [10:07:37] Cache still hasn't updated today it seems. I tried to go to the purge page and it leads to a bad gateway. [10:16:11] did you add ```?action=purge``` behind the websites url? [10:19:46] idk what you mean by behind the url but I did add it into the url, nothing [10:21:30] I uploaded several dozen files yesterday and need to tag them with categories for easy sorting, currently the uncategorised files page has not updated to add them bc the cache has not updated [10:26:35] Can you give me a link to the page you have problems on? [10:28:31] Uh, it's just the cache won't update. I get a 502 bad gateway trying to access literally any purge page. [10:31:03] Do you use a Windows, Android or Apple device? [10:34:23] I'm on a laptop that uses windows, but I don't know why that would matter? [10:35:15] [1/3] (date/time is UTC) [10:35:16] [2/3] This is what I'm talking about. I did see talk of something going wrong but I thought things would have uh, stopped being broken by now. [10:35:16] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225755629197459517/image.png?ex=662248e3&is=660fd3e3&hm=7068c282f0273101ec83688713b881b8be879d191c2b789da3c98c4a1d87d25e& [10:38:44] [1/3] What I mean is this: add ```?action=purge``` behind the websites url [10:38:44] [2/3] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Bjugn_menighet?action=purge [10:38:45] [3/3] This will purge my page on my wiki [10:40:47] [1/2] Any way to hide this on a template's page itself? [10:40:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225757020284784671/image.png?ex=66224a2f&is=660fd52f&hm=a153806123652824ea5bace3d1b7c3922a87affdda66dad2ac74bba012f4a38f& [10:41:09] It does not appear on other articles if I use the template, but it does on the template page itself [10:41:15] Yes. [10:41:43] [1/2] By behind you mean at the end. [10:41:43] [2/2] But also I don't think that would update the entire site-wide cache, which is what my issue is. Is there anything causing a cache update delay? I recall it being delayed by several days not too long ago and that's why it took one of our extension a while to activate. [10:42:03] Put that section between `/includeonly` [10:42:40] aight it works, thanks [10:42:52] Yeah, they are still working on that I am afraid [12:15:15] When I want people to be able to fully edit my wiki, freely contribute to it etc should I then make them bureaucrats? Or Admins with additional rights? [12:16:00] are you limiting editing in the first place? [12:16:31] I don't know, therefore I guess not... I'm new to mediawiki ^^ [12:17:35] I have not changed anything regarding user rights or user groups [12:17:50] Prob no [12:17:54] By default anyone can edit [12:18:10] You can protect pages to limit them to autoconfirmed or admins [12:18:21] So things like main page [12:19:15] crat is a very high role that may not be revoked by default s [12:19:48] It allows someone to ManageWiki settings and user rights [12:19:59] Admin allows blocking protecting pages deletions ect [12:20:15] And when everyone's bureaucrat.. [12:20:17] Crats are the crats. Admins are the janitors [12:20:24] https://tenor.com/view/and-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-syndrome-incredibles-gif-16929680360868417134 [12:20:29] You enter the plot of the purge [12:20:57] Hence why the near universal admin symbol especially on Wikipedia is a mop [12:21:20] I mean technically I have created the wiki for someone else or to cooperate on it with someone else that creates the content the wiki is about. So it is technically their content, I guess that would justify making them crat [12:21:20] Admins aren’t by default better or more powerful socially. They just are trusted with more buttons [12:21:46] That would be quite an interesting experiment, actually...Giving everyone admin/beauru [12:22:05] Maybe do it for a minecraft anarchy server wiki. What could possibly go wrong? Perfect social experiment [12:22:07] public test wiki [12:22:33] So also pages like templates etc are not by default protected from anyone editing? [12:23:25] the only protected by default pages are w/ MediaWiki prefix [12:24:01] MediaWiki:Common.css, MediaWiki:Sidebar, etc [12:24:36] Alright so I gotta make the main page and the template namespace protected before we announce the wiki to our community [12:24:47] yeah [12:25:03] people usually don't protect templates, but I personally do [12:25:42] a more experienced vandal would attack templates alongside normal pages [12:26:13] if these users have very high level of trust and evident reason to oversee a wiki, I'd give admin rights [12:26:44] I mean I'd do weekly dumps at a minimum anyways, but better be protected [12:28:16] Nothing and everything is permanent on mediawiki [12:28:24] There always logs [12:28:31] Everything can be reversed [12:29:05] Yeah true, and I don't expect there to be griefers anyways, it's a small community. But I will dig some more into user rights, thanks [12:33:28] You have full control over what rights each group has and can make new ones [12:33:46] I personally like fandoms idea of a content mod group as a mini admin [12:34:08] The one good idea they’ve had all decade [12:50:52] They still haven't fixed that "adding a category puts the page on your watchlist no matter your watchlist settings" bug last I checked in :bigjoy: [12:55:45] [1/3] Also on the old fandom version of our wiki, there's a mysterious file we can't delete bc it doesn't act like a usual file even on its own page. It's like, constantly being edited every microsecond by some mysterious force since when you DO try to edit it to add categories manually or whatever, you get booted back to the edit screen with the "someone else made an edit whilst y [12:55:45] [2/3] ou were editing" thing. I sent a help request for them to figure out how to delete it and provided the error message/code when attempting normal deletion and they were like "ok gonna put this into the pile of rare bugs to solve" [12:55:45] [3/3] It's been 3 months now and the file is still there. I don't care if it's not deleted yet there's just been, zero elaboration on what's going on. I get they get a bunch of issues sent in but like, pls tell me why it's not easy to just nuke the file at least. [13:05:39] [1/4] I'm trying to make this: [13:05:40] [2/4] [[File:Linus.png|50px|frame|Linus|link=Linus]] [13:05:40] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Linus.png [13:05:40] [3/4] But the image does not seem to respect the 50px part. It is giant, in original size. These links are inside a table. [13:05:40] [4/4] I have already tried refreshing the page, clearing cache etc [13:40:50] I think you out frame first then 50x [13:42:16] Hmm I will try that. My workaround that seems to work just fine is to make it thumb instead of frame [13:42:53] Or that [15:50:22] [1/5] Hello, [15:50:22] [2/5] I have run into a problem, I asked for the enabling of Cargo Tables on my wiki, and now this page is not working. [15:50:23] [3/5] https://evosystem.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Species [15:50:23] [4/5] When I click on it, I only get this. [15:50:23] [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1225834930102075482/b822bc7ffebbc64a4d561e90c1630a2f.png?ex=662292be&is=66101dbe&hm=523bb5805143d15d8cbbe272bb2759cb34653ee9bf4e870c2d4e56fddb5303c9& [15:50:39] am I potentially missing something? [15:51:15] cargo moment [15:51:34] I don't know honestly [15:52:02] a separate database is used for cargo that is supposed to be created automatically, for security purposes [15:52:11] seems like that failed for your wiki [15:52:30] I'll take a look [15:54:24]