[00:00:04] should've stuck with redis 🤷🏼‍♂️ [00:00:19] yell at your boss about it \:P [00:01:06] I have a feeling my boss wouldn't know what redis is [00:01:26] DRS (Drag Reduction System) should make it go faster, not slower :ThinkerMH: [00:01:56] thats what the FIA said too [00:02:03] doesn't seem to work [00:02:39] Ya! The FIA 🤦‍♂️ [00:02:47] You are the boss aren’t you [00:02:55] FYI, I switched a few jobs back to redis, until we get EventBus working a bit more, feel free to switch more very important jobs that things get messed up if it isn't ran using [00:02:59] Volunteers are not bosses [00:02:59] Aren’t you the deputy DSRE? [00:03:11] Ah here’s the real boss lol. [00:03:21] [1/3] I just verified my profile, and it told me this.. [00:03:21] [2/3] ```Please log in if you don't want Wiki-Bot to remember your wiki account.``` [00:03:22] [3/3] Do I disregard and close the page? [00:03:22] volunteer bosses [00:03:45] CC @originalauthority [00:03:50] I mean as in Director of SRE lol [00:04:03] “a bit more” [00:04:13] I'm not sure thats working? renames seem to be stuck [00:04:30] I should say faster. [00:04:35] Also if they're in redis, they should show in showJobs.php, iirc and they don't seem to be [00:04:52] I did 14 renames today as T&S and every one worked without a single issue [00:05:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalRenameProgress/DRS9990 has been stuck for ~12 hours [00:05:49] It needs a script to fix. That was before I switched rename jobs back to redis. [00:06:13] I can run fixStuckRenames in a minute or two if no one else is available [00:06:46] chain of command is a bit blurry [00:09:56] Feel free to switch some important cache jobs back to redis also btw, although the one I do want to stay on EventBus is parsoidCachePrewarm as it is a perfect test case for if things run fast enough, and AFAIK nothing absolutely breaks if it is slow... [00:10:03] What chain of command lmao [00:12:14] 💤 Night all. [00:12:30] if i wanted to keep a sort of open line of communication with the miraheze team for help / questions with my wiki would have a support forum be an okay avenue for this or is something else more appropriate ? [00:12:58] Bai [00:13:12] You could just ask questions and open treads here [00:14:33] alright :) [00:15:21] Should i add more userboxes on login wiki? [00:15:40] how do i change colors / features on the skin of my wiki ? [00:15:54] And also where to requesting global interwiki links? [00:16:10] I want to include betawiki on interwiki table [00:17:44] Changing colors can be done by going to `MediaWiki:[skin name].css`; custom features have to be coded in `MediaWiki:Common.js` [00:18:08] thanks! [00:18:10] If you want go ahead d [00:18:11] You don’t [00:18:11] [[Special:Interwiki [00:18:21] On your own wiki you can edit [00:19:42] [1/2] But i can't create any pages [00:19:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226687883637690399/image0.png?ex=6625ad1e&is=6613381e&hm=9e1fe02f9f9d21f973278c0a39193e15f2a9316d18e96dc4440602bb2e81d5f2& [00:21:06] [1/2] so i want to change the red/blue borders -- how do i do that [00:21:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226688233803354245/image.png?ex=6625ad71&is=66133871&hm=565e48fd09c624d463015b072925d291524dcf9291ab6ceadf2b087cf6f93cc8& [00:21:17] huh [00:21:22] i just suddenly got logged out [00:22:46] seems to be a trend today [00:22:55] Rename should be completed now [00:23:15] tysm [00:23:50] I noticed that logouts are much more prevalent on WikiTide as well [00:23:54] so it's a browser issue [00:24:30] welp its happening on all chromiums for me [00:24:55] I assume some similar sort of issue is responsible for new attachments logging people out [00:25:20] Modify the background color property of `color-left`, `color-middle`, and `color-right`, and the `border-bottom` property of `.mw-body h1.firstHeading` and `.tools-inline li.selected` [00:25:21] wonder if wikimedia has any symptoms of this or if it's a consequence of the sheer scale we use centralauth [00:25:42] Watching this one [00:26:02] I haven't been logged out once on a Wikimedia project besides inactivity [00:26:13] Yeah, Chronium is leading the change [00:26:22] maybe they have fixes for this on 1.42 [00:26:23] Saving this for tomorrow 🙏 [00:26:40] me too [00:26:48] seems more like a miraheze problem to me [00:26:54] I've been logged out a couple of times on Firefox [00:27:09] i would like to request roles for this wiki [00:27:10] https://trafficrider.miraheze.org/ [00:27:12] Any modern browser is bound to log you out [00:27:13] as i requested it [00:27:15] firefox indeed is affected on my end although I haven't had logouts from literally nowhere yet [00:27:19] i would like to be a bureaucrat of the wiki [00:27:40] of course I clicked the trafficrider link and logged myself out [00:27:42] anywho [00:28:27] DRS9990 was not assigned rights correctly on its creation ^ [00:28:58] [1/3] see, [00:28:58] [2/3] [00:28:58] [3/3] [00:29:09] This again? [00:29:17] it happens from time to time tbh [00:29:23] Comeone CW this song got old a long time ago [00:30:16] CentralAuth is especially vulnerable because of the way it implements cookies [00:30:31] so I wouldn't expect many websites to break apart from the ones with weird setups [00:30:39] aka CentralAuth [00:31:17] [1/2] there wasn’t anything to change when i hit edit [00:31:17] [2/2] i only changed the skin recently if that would effect it [00:32:35] [1/2] clear cache starter kit [00:32:35] [2/2] purge -> hard reload -> clear cache -> null edit -> wait an hour because the servers are slow [00:33:13] Do you have visual editor extension? [00:34:44] I've always had it odd as I run firefox with some particularly stringent settings that mainly bite me when custom domains come into play [00:34:55] Perhaps create a custom shared authentication system like Fandom does [00:35:02] otherwise miraheze is the only weird setup (aka centralauth) entity I use much anyway [00:35:14] creating a whole new auth system is a tall order [00:35:16] I don't think we'll ever have the engineering resources for that ever [00:35:24] Alr [00:35:30] yeah, terrible login system [00:35:35] sponsor a full time dev and yes, it would be feasible [00:35:52] So basically CA is doomed to a very annoying and painful destruction [00:35:52] ca's our closest and we burn rubber with him as it is [00:36:08] ca and os with a side of oa, how's that for a mix of username acronyms [00:36:33] guest starring agent a bit iirc [00:39:01] Beautiful [00:40:11] why not just put the users login info in a cookie [00:40:16] i do yes [00:44:40] [1/2] awesome [00:44:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226694167133163561/VA5nbv1.png?ex=6625b2f8&is=66133df8&hm=2b7b757b1590c6065887d777527e5d874e8a3de933117fe6c64c34af77071e93& [00:45:00] yep [00:45:27] it fixed by itself [00:45:37] I’d recommend deleting the image as it contains PIO [00:45:45] [1/2] i'm still getting a 502 though [00:45:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226694438839914538/image.png?ex=6625b339&is=66133e39&hm=b5e1e1c7f4654d04bea1c2d2cca158ef497f3d6cacaaf05310fd27dd93f7c12f& [00:45:58] More DDoS maybe [00:46:18] [1/2] what [00:46:18] [2/2] it isnt an image??? [00:46:43] You’re IP is in the bottom left. [00:46:45] nevermind it just showed the error again [00:46:53] ok i just doxxed myself [00:47:27] You’ll probably be fine ™️ [00:47:45] not the first time someone showed their ip from those screenshots [00:47:46] [1/2] emm [00:47:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226694946669465670/alXoOZN.png?ex=6625b3b2&is=66133eb2&hm=8c3608e39e6dac539eec5872d55128ffa69e8dc3b431b14a80c1ff305e2790bf& [00:47:48] why do people dont like sharing ip addresses [00:47:54] what can you even do with it [00:47:57] pizza bombs [00:48:13] if i whois my ip it just says its apnic [00:49:07] ip is one of various pieces that make profiles on people [00:49:10] is an ip address temporary anyway [00:49:17] i heard it is [00:49:20] yes [00:49:22] not usually completely compromising on its own but it could be [00:49:31] if an ip is temporary or not entirely depends on the provider [00:49:52] and just because that exact ip is temporary doesn't mean you aren't pulling from a very identifiable range that can be as specific as home area [00:50:06] Depends [00:50:19] Some Internet Service Providers do dynamic IPs [00:50:23] for some reason every time i whois my ip all it says is its registered in apnic [00:50:31] im gonna be so dead if some stranger knocks on my door [00:50:32] every whois service [00:50:32] there's one specific lta who can come from many IPs but I know what city he's operating from because that information is the same every time [00:50:42] some ips are not so specific of course [00:50:53] but that's stuff that you just don't share if you have any sense of privacy [00:51:12] 🫠 [00:51:26] There's two IPs on the 503 screen. One which is nginx's which proxies the request and another is your IP so the 127.0.0.1 IP wasn't yours [00:51:38] oh ok [00:51:46] that 127 thing is just an internal ip [00:51:53] you could probably find it on your own network [00:51:57] 192 too [00:52:05] indeed [00:52:34] but even that can be telling tbh - it's just best to share as little in that regard as possible [00:53:24] https://tenor.com/view/bubsy-meme-explosion-3d-gif-15828100 [00:54:11] are yall coming to my house rn [00:54:47] ordering pizza first [00:55:03] free pizza [00:55:10] ye [00:55:52] What’s in the fridge [00:56:00] im leaving [00:57:14] Just asking 🙄 [00:57:15] I’m hungry [00:58:14] can you not [00:58:42] I’ll stop [00:59:19] Sorry [01:33:39] TIL you need more supporters for [[GR]] then you do for [[WC]]. Wasn't expecting that tbh. [01:33:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/GR https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WC [01:52:32] All in progress renames are done now [02:24:36] Jimbo Christ, what ever happened to the Wiki request backlog of legend [02:24:59] 4 requests [02:41:02] Round of applause to our wonderful Wiki Creator Team! [03:00:31] Thanks a ton for handling that! [03:44:55] jimbo christ [03:45:30] magnus christ [03:45:54] because uh mediawiki [10:13:44] question: what is the difference between sitenotice and anonnotice? [10:16:26] anon is for logged out users [10:29:21] Interesting [10:29:28] Thank for the info [11:19:00] [1/66] final css of sitenotice: ```css [11:19:01] [2/66] @keyframes slide-right { [11:19:01] [3/66] 0% { [11:19:01] [4/66] opacity:0; [11:19:01] [5/66] left: -35em; [11:19:02] [6/66] } [11:19:02] [7/66] 25% { [11:19:02] [8/66] opacity:0; [11:19:03] [9/66] } [11:19:03] [10/66] 75%{ [11:19:03] [11/66] opacity:1; [11:19:04] [12/66] } [11:19:04] [13/66] 100% { [11:19:05] [14/66] opacity:1; [11:19:05] [15/66] left: 2em; [11:19:06] [16/66] } [11:19:06] [17/66] } [11:19:07] [18/66] @keyframes slide-left { [11:19:07] [19/66] 0% { [11:19:08] [20/66] opacity: 1; [11:19:08] [21/66] left: 2em [11:19:09] [22/66] } [11:19:09] [23/66] 25% { [11:19:10] [24/66] opacity: 1 [11:19:10] [25/66] } [11:19:11] [26/66] 75% { [11:19:11] [27/66] opacity: 0 [11:19:12] [28/66] } [11:19:12] [29/66] 100% { [11:19:13] [30/66] display: none; [11:19:13] [31/66] opacity: 0; [11:19:14] [32/66] left: -35em [11:19:14] [33/66] } [11:19:15] [34/66] } [11:19:15] [35/66] @starting-style { [11:19:16] [36/66] .vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled .vector-sitenotice-container { [11:19:16] [37/66] opacity: 0; [11:19:17] [38/66] left: -35em [11:19:17] [39/66] } [11:19:18] [40/66] } [11:19:18] [41/66] .vector-feature-zebra-design-disabled .vector-sitenotice-container { [11:24:43] [1/2] result: [11:24:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226855240783888394/msedge_JJx4S67yUm.gif?ex=662648fb&is=6613d3fb&hm=8e95454dcb341be2dfcd08de2669691064af059ff8a53f1f4fa53129bdf1e72a& [11:30:28] Is it possible to request your wiki to be deleted and then brought back up with the same name but all of the pages (templates, files, mainspace, users) are gone? [11:32:49] or a different question, I'm trying to nuke all of the pages but it gives me a permission error saying thay I can't edit special pages [11:37:11] you can request reset but I forgot if it's a steward or SRE thing [11:37:48] are you targeting special pages tho? [11:39:20] Actually I think I was [11:39:36] But things are queued for deletion and it seems to be taking ages [11:39:44] Do you know where I can request a reset? [11:41:48] Doesn't site notice work for logged out users too? [11:44:34] anonnotice is specifically for anon users only [11:44:50] sitenotice is all users regardless of being logged in [11:50:17] Right [11:50:21] Makes good sense then [11:53:13] Gotta say, Miraheze really satisfies the autism creature in my brain that likes guidelines and rules and templates while also satisfying the other autism creature that needs to customize things [11:54:52] like there's standardized layouts for pages and navboxes and infoboxes, but also,,,, i can do whatever the hell i want [12:01:55] I think we could. [12:11:47] anyone knows? ^ [12:12:52] Pretty sure SRE handles wiki resets [12:35:05] Yeah only sre can do a full reset [13:08:30] back [13:20:06] You volunteering? [13:20:34] :ThinkerMH: [13:20:39] I mean we all volunteer here I mean in this technical project lol [13:26:55] seems like it should be aimed at SRE, that means creating a task on [[Phorge]] [13:26:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [13:26:56] [14:14:26] You should put that code mon Dev Miraheze [14:16:23] Smooth [14:16:37] :SupportMH: [14:28:00] There is still some bugs with it but it’s not perfect, we need someone more experienced at css stuff [14:30:09] Also, where is that dev miraheze? [14:50:24] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Developers_Wiki [14:53:45] Thx [14:58:00] how to upload it? [14:59:33] Everyone ready to go for the meeting? [15:00:15] I’m in lunch so I can hop in for a spell [15:01:48] template yes but what about only css code? [15:11:38] What's the policy on GDPRd users voting on a permissions request, if anyone knows [15:16:44] [1/6] so, since we've had a few reports of images being broken, I'll explain a little bit what's going on. [15:16:45] [2/6] There are mainly two issues people are facing, one is easy to fix in a few seconds (by members of SRE, that is), the other is more complex. [15:16:45] [3/6] The easy one to fix is the Access Control List (ACL) of the Swift container (where files for your wiki are stored) being messed up. This is very easy to recognize, if you try to access one of your files on static.miraheze.org and you get a message saying that you're unauthorized (assuming it is a public wiki), then this is what you're facing. This is very easy to fix, feel free [15:16:45] [4/6] to ping me if I'm online if you face this. [15:16:45] [5/6] The other one is thumbs being broken on wikis that have migrated from WikiTide and decided to keep their wikitide.org subdomain. A new feature was released to support this, you may have seen an option on your wiki's Special:ManageWiki/core called `Primary domain`. This is how we support keeping your wikis' WikiTide domain. Unfortunately Swift is broken for these wikis due to thi [15:16:46] [6/6] s option breaking some assumptions on the backend, we're still working on that one. [16:00:38] cc @reception123 if you know [16:04:05] As far as I'm aware, the vote stays how it is unless there's evidence that the user was a sock or something of the sort [16:04:32] Wasn’t, but requested to be vanished so does the vote just not count? [16:04:40] Or do we still count it even though the user is gone [16:10:37] Hmm that's a difficult question but I'd say, as a Steward I'd probably not count the vote as that user has chosen to permanently leave [16:14:20] can wiki have 2 custom domains? [16:14:46] or one has to be set as redirect to another that is used by Mira [16:14:51] ? [16:15:33] There can be only one unfortunately [16:15:58] we can probably do a redirect from one custom domain to another but the wiki proper only exists on one of them [16:17:20] Probably what I was arriving at too [16:28:03] May someone please verify is my wiki is delivering "unsafe connection"? it is www.durawiki.com [16:30:26] No warning here [16:42:56] Works for me. [16:43:46] Maybe it's one of the CPs misbehaving [16:44:24] that happened to the sagan4 wikis a while back [16:48:28] Nope, seems to work from all cps for me proxying. [16:57:58] . [17:10:03] Thx guys! [17:33:09] Please Pin this message!! [17:33:37] @Discord Moderators [17:34:03] done [18:34:08] [1/3] I am so very confused on what I'm doing wrong here lol [18:34:08] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226963303775866962/20240408_132236.jpg?ex=6626ad9f&is=6614389f&hm=06ca77def484167934aba58010c71ce1b3d5936fd5f1bc0c682558c77ffbfa24& [18:34:08] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1226963304136835193/20240408_132248.jpg?ex=6626ad9f&is=6614389f&hm=c333ea4e58d303d7296dbd356fc622a71bc2cf1257982f6792b781a429101d2d& [18:34:19] No where in the code does it say anything about date of birth [18:34:25] Link please [18:34:57] https://kaizenriteshon.miraheze.org/wiki/Gabriel [19:12:23] Is anyone going to look at the cache issue that was posted on issue tracker a few days ago? [19:14:01] @platyellow do you have an example of a page where this is happening? [19:15:40] just one will do [19:17:20] [1/5] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12019 - I have a few screenshots here where its happening. It shows I've clicked the link, but not thats its a created article. [19:17:20] [2/5] The site is having loading issues at the moment, but for recently created articles: [19:17:20] [3/5] https://totaltennis.miraheze.org/wiki/2016_Charleston_Open [19:17:21] [4/5] https://totaltennis.miraheze.org/wiki/Charleston_Open [19:17:21] [5/5] Those have all recently been created for that tournament, but are showing a similar issue. [19:17:57] are the wiki offline ? [19:17:58] I don't think it's just your wiki... [19:18:16] is it down ? [19:18:16] yea, for me it says i can't connect to any wiki [19:18:23] yep [19:18:34] heh MH is down [19:18:35] convenient [19:18:35] oh, you're right [19:18:41] I just wanted to load up my wiki and save some changes but it's offline [19:19:02] odd [19:19:07] mh has shut down permanently, i am very sad to say [19:19:09] Connection refused [19:19:20] cps are responding to pings [19:19:26] what even is going on? [19:19:53] i DDoSed it [19:20:05] 🙄 [19:20:31] working for me [19:21:09] Everything is down [19:21:13] @cosmicalpha help? ^ [19:21:17] well working now [19:21:35] Looks like my wiki's back up, too. [19:21:35] It works for me [19:21:42] Everything is coming back up [19:21:44] see -sre [19:21:45] It did the whole time for me... odd [19:21:48] Wonder if it was the eclipse? [19:22:06] the moon DDoSed it [19:23:24] Is it back for y'all? [19:23:33] Load went up sharply [19:23:42] yup [19:23:50] yeah it's working for me now [19:24:00] same [19:24:42] ``curl: (7) Failed to connect to meta.miraheze.org port 443 after 3143 ms: Couldn't connect to server`` [19:24:56] Still unable to connect [19:25:22] which cp server @redmin0? [19:25:27] my wiki still works so it's not a total outage [19:26:00] and meta is working when i visit it [19:26:25] I can't check that right now? [19:26:44] Or is there some way I am not aware of, @bluemoon0332? [19:26:55] `dig meta.miraheze.org` [19:27:02] which IP does that return? [19:27:06] On Windows? [19:27:14] ahh, you're on windows [19:27:23] `nslookup` then iirc [19:27:54] `` [19:28:48] [1/9] ``` [19:28:48] [2/9] curl --verbose --resolve meta.miraheze.org:443:109.123.230.163 https://meta.miraheze.org [19:28:49] [3/9] * Added meta.miraheze.org:443:109.123.230.163 to DNS cache [19:28:49] [4/9] * Hostname meta.miraheze.org was found in DNS cache [19:28:49] [5/9] * Trying 109.123.230.163:443... [19:28:50] [6/9] * connect to 109.123.230.163 port 443 from 192.168.18.128 port 37966 failed: Connection refused [19:28:50] [7/9] * Failed to connect to meta.miraheze.org port 443 after 269 ms: Couldn't connect to server [19:28:50] [8/9] * Closing connection [19:28:51] [9/9] curl: (7) Failed to connect to meta.miraheze.org port 443 after 269 ms: Couldn't connect to server``` [19:29:06] that's cp41 [19:36:46] @redmin0 it's back up now [19:37:58] <_______________________________d> wiki management is exhausting [19:38:06] <_______________________________d> i feel like my writing quality is going down so much [19:38:07] Indeed, thanks. 👍 [19:39:10] feel free to take a break [19:39:27] <_______________________________d> yeah, i just wanted to see what other people thought [19:39:38] <_______________________________d> after a lazy 2022 i started working really hard in 2023 [19:39:52] <_______________________________d> my inspiration now comes in short bursts, usually 10 minutes [19:40:01] <_______________________________d> when i actually get down to write it's all gone [20:09:14] Apparently they’re thinking about rebranding Miraheze. I don’t know what effects that might have on the community. [20:09:38] #meetings [20:09:54] The whole point is to discuss it with the community [20:10:11] Wikitide on Ice, is solid rebranding, if your show can make it on ice, then it is rock solid. [20:10:27] i'm supportive/neutral about the rebrand [20:10:45] on one hand it would be a good rebrand name but i also would understand why it wouldn't be a necessary change [20:16:04] i still wonder why someone would waste so much time and resources to ddos a nonprofit though... [20:16:24] it feels so pointless [20:18:36] unless ... [20:18:49] someone hates non profits [20:18:52] I know, right? Also, I don’t know why some people want a rebrand. How would that solve anything? [20:19:04] or someone hates the information on the non-profit 🤷 [21:26:08] timeout? [21:26:18] doesn't seem like it wants to load at all... [21:26:36] uh oh [21:26:41] we're down completely again [21:26:45] @cosmicalpha ^ [21:27:00] um [21:27:01] `17:26 icinga-miraheze PROBLEM - cp36 HTTP 4xx/5xx ERROR Rate on cp36 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - NGINX Error Rate is 100%` [21:27:04] new record [21:27:09] Yes, we've been attacked again [21:27:22] cause i keep DDoSing the servers [21:27:23] which part of the world we bitch slapping today [21:27:25] Last time's attack reached 46 million requests [21:28:14] whats these Lets encrypt errors [21:28:24] `17:27 icinga-miraheze PROBLEM - 100acg.wiki - LetsEncrypt on sslhost is CRITICAL: connect to address 100acg.wiki and port 443: Connection refusedHTTP CRITICAL - Unable to open TCP socket` [21:28:25] and what is the amount of requests normally at, in a similar timeframe? [21:28:28] oh god not down againg [21:28:47] maybe 100,000 requests? [21:28:53] This was in a 5 minutes timeframe [21:28:59] ☠️ [21:29:02] is the site not working for anyone else [21:29:05] yes [21:29:11] DDoS attack [21:29:11] yes it's down [21:29:18] I think we're coming back up [21:29:23] [1/2] if it is working for you press this [21:29:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227007408170336347/image.png?ex=6626d6b2&is=661461b2&hm=f081424cda660145ea638882d48db79dde0307b812cbce5dd87274fd1233c956& [21:29:31] ya know I think I understand why we dont relay icinga [21:29:42] yay back up [21:29:54] Yeah okay, that is a bit of a difference :ManyHappyLaughs: [21:29:55] why was it DDoS attacked [21:30:04] people are assholes [21:30:08] still saying "Hmmm… can't reach this page removededm.com took too long to respond" [21:30:11] Ask the attacker, not us xD [21:30:25] Not all of its back I guess [21:30:33] oh now it's working [21:30:53] it was fandom [21:31:09] dun dun dunnnn [21:31:21] https://tenor.com/view/zoro-miles-morales-miles-shocked-surprise-gif-13646668700392851337 [21:31:40] quick question whats the wiki creator role [21:31:51] people who can approve and decline requests for new wikis [21:31:51] approve, say no or vet wikis [21:31:58] ahhhhhhh [21:32:21] and what do you need to speak in meetings [21:32:31] in #meetings? [21:32:32] [1/2] Confirmed ddos attack? [21:32:32] [2/2] Some dude is claiming he did a sql injection and deleted our wiki specifically lol [21:32:39] ye [21:32:45] not how it works [21:32:52] I was aware yeah [21:32:56] They're skids [21:32:59] funny guy [21:33:05] if it is well then we may want to keep the farm down a bit to fix that [21:33:06] if your wiki loads then it's a confirmed bluff [21:33:08] We're back online [21:33:14] they seem to specifically be attacking Swift [21:33:21] yep [21:33:24] impressed they know what that is. somewhat at least [21:33:27] just existing [21:33:30] there's no requirement [21:33:35] any user can speak in it [21:33:38] i cant [21:33:43] It's closed right now [21:33:46] [1/2] Nah [21:33:46] [2/2] They just know how to sound like they're 1337 haxx0rzz [21:33:48] ya missed it [21:33:48] because the meeting finished [21:33:49] agent should I ask bing ai to make a minute of the meeting? [21:33:50] ahghhhh [21:33:55] lol [21:34:12] If they can support processing 80,000 lines of text then sure [21:34:12] anyone can talk in #meetings when it's active, and it isn't right now so you can't [21:34:30] i have an idea [21:34:35] also i heard something about an actual rebrand? [21:35:08] possibly but it's not fully decided on yet [21:35:09] yes [21:35:13] ^ [21:35:14] it's a possibility [21:35:25] ehh after DDoS, SQL injection is probably the next most well known about (actualy executing if ofc is a whole other story) [21:35:36] ^ [21:36:04] what would that be to then [21:36:12] I'd be incredibly surprised if the guys claiming it found a sql injection in mediawiki [21:36:29] Fandom2 [21:36:31] 😄 [21:36:33] I wonder how many requests we received this time [21:36:42] 24699999999999999999999999999999954134 [21:36:43] did we break the 45 million mark? [21:37:28] [1/2] hm [21:37:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227009446035849316/message.txt?ex=6626d898&is=66146398&hm=f0acd5734607ff3a68a7d99a0642643af1d6fd6001aaa4c4873ea6932325333f& [21:37:30] still asian ips? [21:37:41] If it was the skids I'm talking about ddosing it, which is a possibility as I've seen them ddos smaller servers before, I'm not sure it would have [21:37:44] dang [21:37:49] limit to clip board [21:38:10] [1/2] Again [21:38:10] [2/2] They're skids [21:38:39] has someone been threatening your wiki today? [21:38:47] It'd be interesting to see if there's any correlation [21:39:14] [1/2] I'm not aware if they threatened but we did get a raid in our discord today [21:39:14] [2/2] @beith would know more as he was actually on at the time [21:39:19] I was busy watching the eclipse [21:39:25] e [21:39:41] [1/3] how do i make this work with long texts [21:39:41] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227009999528792179/VC6T9LW.png?ex=6626d91c&is=6614641c&hm=5efeb5153112466e3eaa5c1854fcfd0818980b877469bc6b39a4b2f66b6d7672& [21:39:41] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227009999759347764/nwEX3df.png?ex=6626d91c&is=6614641c&hm=355ecda0de1fdc9194ea9a34634d425ad456324c98862ba0d67e35236454f725& [21:40:08] https://wubbypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Box_template [21:40:15] I should specify the raid was from dudes who have ddos'd (or at least crashed) the Minecraft server the wiki is connected to in the past [21:40:30] Oh not more minecrafters [21:40:40] Someone did briefly, albeit they moved onto bothering other people shortly after so I severely doubt it. [21:40:42] 2b2t is that you [21:40:48] Just a group of trolls. [21:40:52] No, different server [21:40:55] 2b2ts little sister somewhat. [21:40:56] This [21:41:07] DDoS is not trolling [21:41:07] make sure the description text has `|description=` before it as that's what's defined on the template page [21:41:09] It is a criminal offence [21:41:17] But based on the fact they promptly went and bugged other people, I don't think they went after the wiki seriously since they had been bothering other people. [21:41:26] This is by far the worst attacks yet. [21:41:29] 5 million requests per minute [21:41:32] And one that we have made criminal complaints about so far [21:41:36] I don't disagree Rhinos, sorry if it sounded that way. [21:41:38] Definitely was not them then [21:41:44] [1/2] works with short texts [21:41:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227010514958418060/uzzbpHd.png?ex=6626d997&is=66146497&hm=cabc77a9a793c45ece5f22b30b8caaf5fe7ce2c7b98aa23bcd3ea8aa6b3559a3& [21:41:58] Zero chance they have access to a botnet capable of pulling that off [21:42:19] All we got was them joining our discord, being arses, and being promptly banned. They moved onto bothering other people shortly after they didn't get any more attention from us. [21:42:41] Funny coincidence though lol [21:42:50] I doubt "some trolls" can pull out such huge attack [21:42:52] wow [21:43:05] nation state actor? :thonk: [21:43:07] That was joked about by a player saying "oh no they'll do it". These guys are losers but again, severly doubt it. Shitty day for a dumb coincidence. [21:43:16] Yeah [21:43:16] maybe they heard abour 2t2b attacks [21:43:24] I'd probably disregard that avenue [21:43:28] this is obvously a serious attacker [21:43:36] Let's make it very clear: We have made formal statements as part of a criminal complaint against users who have engaged in intentional attempts to take the farm offline before. Some of them users have been identified and referrals made to local law enforcement. [21:43:51] not to sound weird but I was thinking about that when you meantioned Russian IPs too, on first attack [21:43:54] @asphellie_sorry if u didnt want to get pinged [21:44:02] i thought u didnt saw the message [21:44:10] Any threat to carry out or actual carrying out of a denial of service attack may very well result in a knock on your door. [21:44:17] [1/2] oh [21:44:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227011160553951413/9917NlU.png?ex=6626da31&is=66146531&hm=c874cd2b3bd20fa053322833e05ba5f63757ab2b96c954126490445cea577349& [21:44:30] i did i was just a bit confused because i looked at the notice template and it looked different [21:44:43] meant to log out oops lol [21:44:44] that was the box template [21:45:05] [1/2] Unlikely to mean it's a state actor [21:45:05] [2/2] Russian computers are apparently the most commonly compromised and thus the most commonly used in attacks leveraging botnets [21:45:11] That's my understanding anyways [21:46:54] well, I can see that [21:46:56] [1/2] it appears to work when i preview it [21:46:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227011826730930237/image.png?ex=6626dad0&is=661465d0&hm=e187c68eb3cb398d04a5d1d04e7ed53b1fddd0a84a53225399a9b68043c20456& [21:47:13] but I also know how batshit russian autorities are lol [21:47:30] [1/4] i meant smth like "An input is where the gate recieves a signal from a wire connected to it. An output is where the gate sends a signal to a wire connected from it. [21:47:30] [2/4] "true" = active signal [21:47:30] [3/4] "false" = inactive signal [21:47:31] [4/4] This is known as a bool " [21:47:32] like this long [21:47:46] I would advise against speculating on responsibility [21:47:46] maybe because theres an escape in it [21:47:59] When did the issues start happening if you don't mind me asking? [21:48:09] Simply looking at the country the majority of the traffic is from is not that good [21:48:18] it was a usual paranoid thought in my troubled brain [21:48:29] oh i think i know the issue here [21:48:43] no serious claims ofc [21:48:51] They've been on and off for a while [21:48:52] I'd argue it's effectively useless tbh [21:49:01] It's not useless [21:49:07] Combined with other stuff [21:49:07] We only had our run in with these idiots two hours ago if that helps. [21:49:19] But that's called forensics [21:49:33] @the.king.cube the `=` is trying to use a parameter that doesn't exist so surround it in `` tags and it should fix it [21:49:40] If you have any useful information, I suggest retaining it or emailing it over to sre@ [21:49:55] Sorry that there even would be speculation idiots would have any impact on this with even the slightest connection to us. [21:50:23] As it's highly likely as with previous attacks that a report will be made to the police at some point at which all evidence is useful if it's naturally and properly obtained. [21:50:26] [1/2] They wouldn't have access to someone with a botnet big enough [21:50:27] [2/2] Idk if you caught it but apparently it was 5m requests per minute [21:50:30] We have almost as much requests in the past 6 hours as all last month combined it seems. [21:50:34] It's just flat out not them [21:50:35] [1/2] oh mkay, which one was it? [21:50:35] [2/2] what template? [21:50:44] Please don't do what some users have done and try to carry out your own investigations though [21:50:48] Jesus [21:50:56] [1/2] on here, specifically these [21:50:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227012830532866190/image.png?ex=6626dbbf&is=661466bf&hm=f2dceed0dcccf45419a42ef39615a57ead2a89b918512eb0adfdb79e536443a9& [21:51:07] mkay, [21:51:11] Especially if it's 6 hours and we only had them join our discord like 2 hours ago. Prior to that they've never heard of us. [21:51:16] thanks! [21:51:48] And please don't engage with anyone who is claiming to be involved [21:51:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227013061588553829/p5DY5JY.png?ex=6626dbf6&is=661466f6&hm=1ed4a5246981d21f51d279aaada04e4f00c033d0e0c2690e697794c588acbeae& [21:52:19] it should be `=/nowiki` [21:52:29] oh, thanks for that~ [21:52:31] ! [21:52:39] Could I DM you about this for a bit? I don't want to distract if you're busy with the rest of this extremely. [21:53:14] Would like to talk in private if that's fine to avoid unwarranted speculation and what steps you would like me to do. [21:53:18] I'm about to go to sleep and also I don't really think discord is the best tool for collecting evidence if a crime [21:53:26] Gotcha [21:53:29] You can email samuel@miraheze.org though [21:53:35] I will respond [21:53:59] Although please note that it is highly likely anything of any possible use will be passed to police [21:54:15] Sorry, I know I'm not technically in any wrong here but a bit spooky when there's a chance law enforcement gets involved. 😅 Anxiety for ya. [21:54:18] And if it's actually good, you will likely be asked to swear to it [21:54:35] Law enforcement are nice if you're on the right side [21:55:15] depends if its information that can be found publicly or private would it? [21:55:30] I am and I know I am. Just always have had anxiety and there's the scare of my irl being connected to the persona behind goofy block game if it comes to that. [21:55:42] The detective's in the financial crime team at Notts Police that handled stuff for us when we where UK based were extremely accomodating [21:55:58] financial crime team? [21:56:03] Any information will be treated in the strictest confidence [21:56:08] why were we involved with them? [21:56:14] I'll think about it and see what serious info I can find and if it's worth forwarding. Granted I don't believe this run in with idiots today are the cause. [21:56:28] And routes exist for reporting anonymously [21:56:39] Which will likely be advised in due course [21:57:00] No person who has used crimestoppers has ever been identified in the UK [21:57:18] Cyber crime is treated as fraud in the UK [21:57:22] Good to know, thanks. [21:57:31] Sorry for my overworrying. [21:57:44] It's not over worrying [21:57:50] Police are scary [21:57:54] I get that [21:58:48] The more we have, even if it's useless, the better [21:58:57] Trained forensics staff can review stuff [21:59:21] I would rather have to look through 100 pieces of junk than someone not tell us the 1 important thing [21:59:35] And we will do everything we can to support users who act in good faith [21:59:45] But anyway good night [22:00:46] Okay, I'll have a chat with Epic and some of the other people who help me with my wiki and we will keep an eye on things. [22:00:56] We'll likely send you an email with our findings. [22:01:13] Have a good night, thanks again and sorry about any plausible relation to the idiots who do this stuff. [22:01:33] they're just a bunch of scriptkiddies [22:01:56] no need to shower them with attention like this tbh [22:02:21] I wouldn't disagree, we banned them within 5 minutes of the joining and raiding our discord and haven't shown them attention until I got pinged here. [22:03:10] They're the type that are already in another discord fighting one another, plugging their discord, etc. [22:03:58] This is sad. [22:05:10] But again. [22:05:30] They only learned my wiki existed 2 and a half hours ago or so, and these attacks have been going on all day. [22:05:45] I'll find what I can if there's another straw on the camels back from them though. [22:05:52] I don't think they're going for any specific targets [22:06:10] these are just kids with botnets taking down targets for the lulz [22:06:39] If you want to check for anything with my specific wiki I can link it if that helps? [22:06:55] Not sure how integrated everyone is here in regards to specific stuff. But if you're troubleshooting or looking [22:56:08] [1/2] Okay more I look at it, 99% sure idiots just took credit and the people who attempted to raid my discord didn't actually do any damage. [22:56:09] [2/2] Will still collect relevant info a bit and send an email with any findings but I'd consider it unrelated/by coincidence due to timing. [23:11:18] Bruh… DDoS again? [23:11:35] And that is just annoying for sure…. [23:47:13] We will rebuild ✊