[00:00:20] I won't hold it against you 😆 [00:01:02] lol [00:01:43] Good luck @pixldev!!!! [00:02:08] you were quite fast to vote [00:02:26] Had to be first 🙂 [00:02:51] And beat the nominator 😂 [00:03:02] agent do be slipping on the nom votes [00:04:09] Does the nominee have to accept before we can !vote tho? [00:04:58] yes but he already did via DMs so it's set in stone [00:06:26] https://tenor.com/view/chisel-flintstones-fred-carve-gif-18036570 [00:07:44] Also, may want to change wik->wiki in the second to last sentance in the first paragraph. [00:09:27] done [00:09:33] thanks for the note [00:10:01] np [00:10:13] I love finding typos 😉 [00:10:31] Also, may want to change sentance in your sentence [00:10:31] this guy's in a rough spot https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions#BettaCallSoul@loonathewikiwiki [00:11:15] since I doubt he has a committed identity or anything he's kinda outta luck unless he does the whole 9 yards with an LE and someone to ensure he doesn't get stalemated by the moderation filter [00:11:39] Stews could ask for consent to CU, then verify if the accounts are the same [00:11:51] CU does not meet the bar I'm afraid [00:12:42] the subject has been covered in the past and it's policy from an SRE perspective to take no chances, even CU is not absolute enough [00:13:03] wow, the more you know ig [00:13:19] yeah it's been an unpleasant surprise to a number of people over time [00:14:04] but without much trouble, just time it's possible to take over a wiki while making that claim with no verification involved using the LE process... not my favorite setup tbh [00:16:10] They haven't created any pages or content yet, so they could probably just request a new wiki [00:17:51] Wow, pixel's RfP already has 6 supports [00:17:58] 👏 [00:18:02] the insidious part is that if you can't verify you're the account holder then you can't be the one to request that wiki is removed, but technically that wiki has to be removed otherwise the wc process should decline it for being a duplication of an existing wiki [00:18:25] didn't think about that [00:18:33] well, yeah, they are in a pickle [00:18:51] https://tenor.com/view/pickle-dill-with-it-gif-8229752 [00:19:13] at this point le is probably the only real bet and then take a break following some cursory checks so stewards are confident enough the wool isn't being pulled over, but it's up to stewards to explain that one [00:19:36] not surprised tbh, pixel's made a name for himself so far [00:20:14] a more curious vote might be deem who's prone to a measured or alternate view, less caught up in mainly discord-based impression [00:20:34] still, it would be nice to see this in the RfP since not everyone can see DMs [00:20:59] well of course, that's why there's a Nominee statement section [00:21:12] May run into trouble w/ users who aren't on Discord, but hopefully not [00:21:18] I'm just saying that it's safe to vote for him (despite being against the rules lol) because he accepted privately [00:21:34] Great minds (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions?diff=prev&oldid=386808) [00:21:41] might simplify to mention that consent was granted via dm to help assure people who have voted that this is the case [00:21:43] think alike 😉 [00:21:58] for sure. why I "supported if" they accept [00:22:45] but yeah I'd be pleased to give pixel a shot [00:23:00] https://tenor.com/view/vote-ready-election-america-usa-gif-12664504 [00:23:00] vote probably coming tomorrow ish [00:23:36] [1/2] still, i think the nominee should affirmatively accept. [00:23:36] [2/2] i don't think anyone doubts pixl's bonafides [00:24:08] I just mean upfront in a nomination like this - indeed the candidate should then proceed to accept formally and simplest of all is coordinating a time to ensure this is seamless [00:25:15] but barring that a mention in the first place of it is better than nothing as it could appear to be a random nomination at first read and it's not ideal for the only affirmation to be belatedly mentioned on discord by the nominator [00:26:07] so much bikeshedding [00:26:35] you ain't seen nothing [00:26:45] remember idk, first half of last year [00:28:39] That is my irl pet peeve [00:28:49] might be why I hate meetings [00:29:11] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWLl0IjpK8Ug&ved=2ahUKEwjkpraBsraFAxWYFVkFHbKyBIEQtwJ6BAgSEAI&usg=AOvVaw2SmhLDNVXW9Hb3fAuyfKN9 [00:29:23] i'm sorry this seems like bikeshedding. seems like a RfP should be accepted on wiki vs in DMs which the community doesn't see. [00:29:47] you know up is down when I'm the one who's on about what's procedurally ideal [00:30:52] I'd like to believe that was mostly tongue in cheek [00:31:14] If it would satisfy people, we could simply put the votes in a [00:31:21] until acceptance [00:31:29] idk why tho [00:31:33] @pixldev wake up and save us from this 💔 [00:31:54] Don't wake a sleeping angel 🤕 [00:31:59] at most just a note on the top of the discussion section and done, if I was stew I'd let it go but strongly advise mention that it was at least accepted between nominator/nominee for future reference [00:32:25] and to sync up somewhat so nomination can just be approved on the spot to eliminate the gap [00:32:43] I know a good solution to the "if i was a stew" problem 😉 [00:33:03] wouldn't want to go that far right now tbh [00:33:28] it's more than bikeshedding about rfps for sure [00:51:31] [1/2] I normally would agree with @jph2 but he has been talking about it in #volunteering #general and #offtopic ... So it's not surprising. But I agree that it would have been better that he could acknowledge it immediately. [00:51:31] [2/2] But @pixldev is not 24/7 on his devices. So let's be patient. He'll add his confirmation soon enough. [00:53:02] next person to talk about procedure will be vanished \:P [00:54:36] ```"Procedure" means a series of steps or actions that you do in a certain order to get something done correctly. It's like following a recipe to bake a cake or brushing your teeth before bed. Each step is important to make sure things work well.``` [00:54:57] So, why'd we change the RfP procedure from AN to RfP again? [00:55:19] oh, that's a different can of worms [00:55:27] Living dangerously huh? [00:55:31] and something that not everyone agrees on [00:55:38] do tell [00:55:53] Agent said "next person", which would be you 😆 [00:56:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Discussion:_Moving_appointed_permission_requests_from_the_AN_to_RfP [00:56:39] I waas kidding, but its a good read for those interested. [00:56:46] Very much a controversial topic [00:56:48] Also, being muted is no fun [00:56:52] mention it again and you'll be kicked <.< [00:57:02] 😶 [00:57:08] very tempting [00:57:43] ||move=okay, but I'd prefer to revert|| [00:57:48] @agentisai per the convo, should we revert? [00:58:05] it feels like a better solution is needed but at this time, unsure what it is [00:58:06] I support @agentisai [00:58:32] I’ll leave a on wiki accept [00:58:37] What# i miss [00:58:41] lol [00:58:45] agent muting me [00:58:58] people bikeshedding about your RfP [00:59:01] not much [00:59:11] RfP? [00:59:16] oh no what did i miss [00:59:18] remind me what bikesheding is plz im dimb [00:59:28] Request for permission... [00:59:33] no but did someone file one [00:59:35] I'm already in enough hot water here. Pixel's discussions in other channels isn't the issue, nor is their candidacy as they're a solid volunteer. I just don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to accept them to accept a nomination, especially since their comments on Discord have been somewhat reluctant. [00:59:42] like mindlessly arguing [00:59:58] Pixel did... [01:00:04] lol [01:00:16] well, ig agent did but same difference [01:01:13] Well, the fear of rejection is a real thing. So I understand his apprehension [01:02:02] And he's been discussing it at lengths [01:02:03] Their apprehension isn't the point. The point is waiting for their acceptance to avoid "bikeshedding" [01:02:31] Folks, lets just leave this behind us [01:02:38] The discussioin is precisely why I wanted more clarification of their acceptance. [01:02:41] Pixel has accepted, this is now irrelevant [01:02:59] this was an interesting case of bikeshedding [01:03:11] smh [01:03:46] i am sorry. [01:03:57] Pixl accepted? [01:04:03] Maybe my Meta is just slow [01:04:18] Not yet, I assume he is writing his acceptance now [01:04:34] But he has at least confirmed publicly that he intends to accept [01:07:10] was in the car [01:10:32] Sigh [01:12:12] Well.. I am off to bed. It's 3:11am again.. 🛏️ + 💤 = 🛌🏻 [01:12:19] good night [01:12:37] ig ill go lock the shed up 😆 [01:12:44] (why is it called that) [01:17:52] What are people's thoughts on adding delete userpage to meta? [01:18:47] Don't see anything wrong with that tbf [01:18:51] Login wiki also [01:19:03] yep, that too [01:19:29] also r u going to accept? 😆 [01:22:58] <.labster> Hey guys does anyone want to talk about procedure? [01:23:05] Mute this man [01:23:12] -_a [01:23:18] Nice job, lab [01:23:43] Yes(heard it here folks) im going to write an accept on wiki, if I don't come in the next hour ish I got too caught up in what to say and went to bed [01:23:46] /mute Labster [01:23:50] :p [01:24:01] heh, see DMs as wel [01:24:47] <.labster> You can just say “I accept” and edit the page later [01:25:36] True ture [01:25:50] <.labster> The great thing about wikis is that they’re great for holding incomplete information [01:26:51] COUGH Nyctopedia [01:26:56] I mean say what now [01:31:13] no clue what the tool emoji means tbh [01:31:20] 🤦‍♂️ [01:32:25] right right my bad. It's become the defacto symbol of the fandom wiki staff team im on, habits [01:32:35] we use it as an okay/confirm/agree [01:32:59] partly cause the wiki lead has a wrench head pfp [01:35:01] Ahhhhh [01:35:07] you’re a member of fandom wiki staff??? [01:36:01] That FANDOM Wiki is the reason I'm here/a wiki person at all 😄 [01:36:26] thank you funny minecraft server [01:39:01] It litterally means "What a Tool" or "They're a Tool" (usefull for only a select few things) [01:39:16] 🤨 [01:39:19] guh [01:39:20] that feels not right [01:39:34] That was.. not the intention 😄 [01:39:42] heh [01:40:08] [1/2] i just stole it from this guy [01:40:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1227432900572479598/G5tbzvd.png?ex=662862f8&is=6615edf8&hm=8d82ced105edb7f82ed5d2832f06aa1ed99fc1e7327fd1095fcf484dae07961d& [01:40:28] hi boy [01:40:48] métagall moment [01:40:54] how did that autocorrect to “hi boy”???? [01:40:55] <.labster> That’s not even a real tool, it’s a crescent wrench [01:40:57] anyways writign [01:41:07] i hate them so much to be honest [01:41:20] every time i have to take something apart it’s a pain in the ass [01:41:22] https://tenor.com/view/tightening-a-screw-waldo-dinotrux-pipe-wrench-turning-gif-17903666 [01:41:33] lmfao [01:41:45] I used to watch that show so long ago [01:42:48] drat does support not support(lmao) custom text [01:42:51] eh done will do [01:50:04] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions#PixDeVl_(Wiki_creator) (don't forget to make your long speech for the Statement!) [01:50:04] [2/3] I expect a long one! [01:50:05] [3/3] 💤 [01:50:33] why you think im taking so long lol [01:50:52] (was looking for the link to my sample requests for anyone who didnt see it) [01:52:42] the hell is it 52 already dang [01:53:45] oh btw should we make a IRC mirror of #volunteering? thought of it cause i wanted to get the link to irc logs of the answers for non discord users [02:02:52] the shed has been locked https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions?oldid=386818 [02:03:03] and I forgot to sign again lol(fixed) [02:04:15] @rodejong long enough for ya 😄 ? [02:05:59] hm cc MacFan4000 and @cosmicalpha? [02:16:26] We could, though I’d want to hear people’s opinions, on weather or not we should have an IRC channel for that [02:17:41] I think it could be good for our solely IRC users, even though they're rare [02:17:44] If it's meant to be accessible to everyone and targeted towards volunteers, an IRC relay makes sense [02:17:53] Though maybe we should wait for the rename [02:18:00] TBD if IRC channels will be renamed? [02:18:36] @Board Members / @Discord Administrators will need to clarify a bit [02:18:56] I guess we could do #miraheze-volunteering [02:19:16] currently the WT channels redirect to the MH counterparts [02:20:42] MacFan: will it flip once rename is done? [02:21:03] [1/3] hi guys, sorry to poke again, ive been waiting roughly 3 weeks for this SRE request (additional permission level being added) n if anyone could possibly give me a timeframe or nudge it for me thatd be really useful, im having to decide whether i need to adminlock pages in the meantime which will prevent my trusted editors from accessing them which isnt ideal. pls let me know i [02:21:03] [2/3] f theres anything i can do or if i must just wait longer. thanks guys, appreciate all you do!! [02:21:03] [3/3] <.labster> Assuming the community doesn’t fully reject our rename proposal, things will be renamed eventually, making sure we don’t break integrations [02:21:52] Eventually meaning in terms of months I'm assuming [02:22:00] Which if the case then yeah we should just create an IRC relay [02:22:14] If we decide to rename IRC channels, that would mean all official MH controlled channels (not necessarily all MH namespace ones) [02:22:34] Yep [02:23:24] Do we have wikisurf registered as well under the WT foundation project for IRC? [02:23:31] we should try for all the domains we plan to control [02:23:41] <.labster> Obviously we don’t need to rename the cabal because it doesn’t exist. [02:24:15] 🤦‍♂️ [02:24:21] That which must not be named [02:43:04] is #join-log dead? [03:08:24]