[00:07:52] :EmotiRead: conservapedia has a rival it seems [00:10:34] And relay is back [00:16:45] crikey does this work [00:16:50] Oh it works heh [00:18:46] we might need to look into CF if this doesn't stop occurring [00:19:17] make haste! [00:19:34] 🏇 [00:19:37] As shakespeare said once i presume [00:20:09] in the meanwhile, this reminds me that I need to look into our new backup servers [00:20:20] they've been idling for a few weeks now [00:20:40] now we'll have two copies of wikis, one safe in Canada and another in New York [00:24:17] @originalauthority how’s IRC going [00:24:44] who even has the time to DDoS this often [00:25:46] I still prefer discord tenfold. [00:25:53] But ill give it a shot for a bit [00:26:07] heb fair [00:49:59] theres like a irc client that looks like discord in GitHub [00:50:26] [1/2] Is there any extension allowing this, so we get an history of what we've seen previously? [00:50:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230681885487927358/image.png?ex=663434d2&is=6621bfd2&hm=3878b9aa302669aa867520790b80d3cdb0993445280f666f3b35810b81ab7b45& [00:52:25] It doesn't seem to rival Conservapedia in vandal counts though, Liberapedia only has one LTA while nearly everyone Conservapedia user is a troll (though I think the owner of Conservapedia may be a bit too dense to realize that most people who edit are trolling him) [00:54:29] Wow someone at MWCon really didn’t like the presentation [00:57:22] They actually all loved it from what I'm hearing [00:57:49] I only watched because of WikiZilla [00:58:17] most DDoS attacks come from East Asia so it sucks when we have to quarantine them from Miraheze by turning off cp41 [00:58:51] asians ruin everything on the internet [01:00:01] So did I [01:00:04] rebrand aside [01:00:22] I forgot that James gave a presentation on CreateWiki [01:00:24] time to watch it [01:00:32] that part was all on our end [01:00:39] I have a feeling the presentation crowd just went mhm and nodded [01:01:42] They liked the presentation, at least according to what was discussed on the MWCon Signal [01:07:40] same here [01:07:53] If an attacker's goal is to shut a website down, I don't think making the website unavailable to half the world really solves the problem [01:07:56] Signal? [01:08:17] It's just giving them what they want imo [01:08:55] If you have a better idea please by all means shot [01:09:00] [1/2] this is one of the acceptable css jobs on wikis, https://minecraft.wiki is good btw [01:09:01] [2/2] https://beidipedia.com/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9 [01:09:20] East Asia doesn't really make up a huge portion of our traffic though [01:09:29] I've calculated that it's 1/8th of our total traffic [01:09:30] Just Japan I think [01:09:41] Miraheze here in Mexico is fine [01:09:53] but I agree that shutting out half of the world from the service is not a good solution [01:10:30] inline comment extension interesting [01:10:58] do you know the timestamp for James' talk? [01:11:06] if Cloudflare doesn't work, try ddos guard [01:11:12] /j [01:11:16] Yeah idk [01:11:33] east asians* [01:11:37] 7:39:20 [01:11:41] But I think in the long term SREA need to find a better way to respond to DDoS attacks [01:11:44] ok... [01:12:01] We're looking into migrating to CloudFlare but that's a huge undertaking and we need to make sure custom domains don't break [01:12:05] i dont think kazakhs did any ddos lol [01:12:17] hey agent [01:12:18] it'll take a lot of manpower to migrate from Varnish to CF [01:12:26] [1/2] can we update the meta background [01:12:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230687419486044211/hYlbm2r.png?ex=663439f9&is=6621c4f9&hm=1cd2251e2a4dc07c54fb9d06ef42a54c6b2ed3e10dc11e3c3d4dfc004cd2f483& [01:12:44] We need more tech folks euhfhe [01:12:48] MediaWiki on the moon??? [01:12:51] :SupportMH: [01:12:54] as ever we plain need more folks [01:13:03] more adept bodies [01:13:04] true [01:13:05] why if Japan can't even access miraheze because of DDoS lol [01:13:21] but if given the choice between more community folks or more tech I [01:13:42] we got a few new volunteers in the community side [01:13:54] in tech? the most I can think of it OS and OA [01:13:54] Yeah, I'm not so much worried about community volunteers [01:14:24] The closest we have to a new tech volunteer is me. And that's just sad [01:14:43] I liked how Labster described it, that we're really dedicated people who probably clock in enough hours to be considered part-time employees [01:14:49] I know that's definitely true of CosmicAlpha [01:15:07] He could very well be earning $50-$100/hr for his work [01:15:13] especially all the hours he clocks in [01:15:22] Since the board seems so determined to rebrand let's hope it does bring in some new tech folks(I am not getting back into this at 9 pm) [01:15:47] Labster and Harej have been doing great work at MWCon trying to look for new opportunities [01:15:49] [1/2] rebrand? [01:15:50] [2/2] rfc link? [01:15:58] God speed [01:15:58] can someone pls do [[github:miraheze/mw-config/pull/5541]] lol [01:15:58] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5541 [01:16:00] [01:16:34] ewhpifhw there is none thats why everyone spent two hours in offtopic arguing and please dont restart it right now or Im jumping off a bridge \j [01:16:44] read #offtopic ig [01:16:51] I'm sort of jealous of Labster, he met Ward Cunningham irl [01:16:59] Wiki Father [01:17:12] the original Jimbo [01:17:19] Jimbo++ [01:17:51] I also love how the women doing the questions said he had fans in the chat (me ro and someone else) [01:18:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230688868601172069/EtSP2xB.png?ex=66343b53&is=6621c653&hm=eea2b34283b232f5d5e8f192daafdb60ea4333299020f51d1bda3832832f7f2e& [01:18:20] oh yeah, that was funny lol [01:18:43] aight found sames thing [01:20:07] no time to read a lot of messages [01:22:59] also can I DM ya about smt rq? not related to rebrand or board or steward stuff i swear [01:23:10] sure [01:23:28] aight [01:23:40] I'm about to go to sleep (3am here) but I can entertain one more DM before I collapse of sleep exhaustion [01:24:11] you people need paychecks and better sleep schedules but we cant afford either of those [01:24:35] its not urgent if you want to sleep I can dm you on silent for you to see tmr [01:24:47] I don't wanna keep you up [01:25:07] Lord knows we do that enoguh [01:25:20] It's fine. I'm already waiting for your DM heh [01:25:36] aight [01:28:37] sent [01:28:40] good night [01:38:09] Avoid staying up late too often, I've done it before and it's led to horrible sleep and mood [01:45:36] Sleep? What's that [01:45:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230695771897204757/image.png?ex=663441c1&is=6621ccc1&hm=1f6040a2127e49dbf173d729f42afc4eb6a4780751e7cedcb0b02a5836bdad72& [01:45:42] What's sleep? [02:08:35] Maybe some day Miraheze will be famous and the Stewards will get paid and everything will be super happy [02:36:50] And people will live above rainbows? [02:46:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230711019203072021/image.png?ex=66344ff4&is=6621daf4&hm=a2d5ff76fd0df603a36c1012ffe7413722651a9f4edfa21e5c9477b9e0e58af6& [02:46:15] well [03:19:57] If Miraheze can have more popular wikis then maybe it'll happen [03:20:20] Once I have more time (maybe when school is out idk) I'll try to build up my Genshin Impact wiki some more [03:47:46] morning [03:48:01] how it's going? [03:53:46] chaos [03:56:45] I'm doing good [03:56:49] I've been messing with bots and stuff in my server [03:56:56] Not much going on for me [03:58:34] you drink explosives go to to sleep? [04:25:17] I missed two bus on my stop whild reading tru whoops [04:34:19] heh, what are your thoughts [04:35:56] I still want to sleep [04:38:13] heh I'm going to sleep soon enough [04:38:17] final half hour on this app till night [04:38:25] can't wait to wake up to....something come morning [06:27:31] Hello I am facing problem of Template Loop detected can somone help me. [06:28:06] it means you are transcluding a template on itself [06:30:37] How do i fix it [06:31:43] could you link the page you're getting this error on? [06:33:21] you'll need to /verify first though [06:36:07] are you trying to provide an example of template usage? [08:26:47] [1/3] Hey! I have two questions. [08:26:47] [2/3] 1. If I upload something to a Miraheze wiki, is it still mine, or is it partially Miraheze's? [08:26:48] [3/3] 2. Is there a way of echoing logs for my wiki to a discord channel of my own via my own bot? [08:33:17] 1 - it will be under your wiki's license, the default one is CCBYSA - okay to share and modify as long as you or your wiki is credited [08:34:08] Ok, that's the main thing I wanted to know. [08:34:47] if you want to, you can like, explicitly state the term by yourself [08:35:59] like pizza tower wiki admin made some arts/assests especially for the wiki and the file say "reupload w/o permission given is prohibited" [08:36:08] something like that [08:36:18] can't remember word to word [08:37:38] licenses were discussed here earlier if you'll scroll up [08:38:01] hi everyone! I'm new to all this, and I just started a wiki. Can someone point me in the direction of support for beginners? [08:38:30] ask something here [08:38:44] we'll figure out what you're looking for [08:39:10] like, you want to have Miraheze wiki? have you made a wiki request already? [08:39:50] i made a request, and its approved! I just have no idea how to set one up :p [08:40:53] my general advice to beginner admins - figure out what's your wiki need and look up similar established wikis as examples [08:42:08] make a plan, shape the idea, roughly speaking [08:42:31] then start figuring out main page, article types, categories, templates [08:43:20] when I started my music artists/bands fan wiki I checked out existing similar wikis [08:43:54] ahh thats good advice, thank you [08:43:57] [[dev:Category:Templates]] has the most used templates for you to use. [08:43:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Category:Templates [08:43:59] [08:44:16] but may i ask um [08:44:24] how do i navigate to my wiki to start building it [08:44:44] What was the name of your wiki? [08:44:52] temporada [08:44:56] i set it as private [08:44:58] ah yeah [08:44:58] your wiki request should have a link to it [08:45:05] visit the url that you requested pretty much [08:45:08] if it's accepted [08:45:15] ah [08:45:23] https://temporada.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [08:45:30] ohhhhhhhhhh [08:45:33] OH [08:45:36] thanks\ [08:45:39] I approved it, so yes [08:45:48] ok sweet sweet [08:45:55] thank you!!! 🙏 [08:48:28] [1/2] Writing in a wiki is different from other forms of communication, because your initial work will be changed – possibly many times, by many different authors. [08:48:28] [2/2] So, when you start, establish the structure and style you want, but expect the content to be adapted over time. Organize and express your information as clearly as you can – this enables others to understand it easily, and to contribute effectively. [08:53:25] [1/5] The wiki way of writing is using the codes in the editor window. [08:53:25] [2/5] Use: `[https://temporada.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Temporada]` to link full url's. Use `[[Temporada]]` to link to other pages within your wiki. [08:53:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Temporada [08:53:25] [3/5] `'''This will make the text Bold'''` and this will make it `''Italic''`. [08:53:26] [4/5] You'll find this useful: [08:53:26] [5/5] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Editing_Wikitext [08:57:03] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Editing [09:28:18] Gotcha. Thank you! [09:28:42] Im gonna tryto figurevout infoboxes and embedded linking [09:44:59] No [09:46:02] yeah then idk what are you trying to do, better link your template [12:33:02] Howdy! I'm trying to create an account at themanaworld.miraheze.org, in preparation for the final migration. However, my IP range is apparently blocked, which is somewhat understandable as I'd be coming out of a Linode range: [12:33:02] > Account creation error [12:33:02] > Your IP address is in a range which has been blocked on all wikis. [12:33:11] Would it be reasonable to ask for an exception? [12:34:39] Freeyorp: please email stewards[at]miraheze.org with the username you want and they'll be able to create an account for you [12:37:59] Will do, thank you! [13:20:34] [1/2] Heya all [13:20:35] [2/2] A bit of a simple question this time, but is there a way to change the page colour of a specific page manually? [13:22:24] So I heard you're about to rename MH to WT. So why did you merge WT into MH in the first place? lmao [13:23:34] disable your VPN [13:24:05] I'm currently physically in China, so not an option. [13:24:33] oh, use another VPN ig for now [13:26:22] It can be handled by email [13:26:37] [1/2] Oh you meant that for me? Sorry, I was a bit confused [13:26:37] [2/2] Essentially it would be maintaining the brand. I don't want to be too specific yet because I don't even have my own wiki for it, but what I envision for it is a part of the wiki that's colourful, bright and when it comes to wiki pages on characters, will have colours to correspond with said character :mlem: [13:26:45] emicraftnoob, If it's policy to block VPNs, I don't think that would be terribly fruitful, and it's not an appealing option given how difficult that is to do here. I've already sent an email. [13:27:12] no, that was for staff [13:27:28] Oh :epico_facepalm: [13:27:31] I'm silly! [13:28:45] We could've sacrificed Miraheze and used WikiTide as the "base" platform but it was decided to minimize the inconvenience and do it the other way around [13:28:58] Merging wikis is actually quite difficult, especially when it comes to accounts [13:30:11] true, but rebranding wikis from WikiTide to Miraheze, only to rebrand them back to WikiTide few days later is kinda weird [13:35:42] all vpn are blocked from registration [13:36:26] he is in china, he can't do anything about it [13:36:49] [1/2] CSS modification of the skin your wiki is using [13:36:50] [2/2] the only skin which allows you to change colors just in settings is Cosmos [13:37:25] oh wait, you meant only one page [13:37:52] [1/2] Well alright then, it'll be something I'- [13:37:52] [2/2] Oh. Yes, yes I did [13:39:02] [1/2] last time I tried to do single page it worked only in content (article) area of the page [13:39:03] [2/2] CSS however lets you to target pages per namespaces (page types) [13:39:35] Was there a vote for the rebrand that I missed or was that decided internally? [13:39:40] honestly, yeah [13:40:10] [1/2] Hmm, okay then, thanks for the information [13:40:11] [2/2] Tbf it's not the hugest deal either way, but it's something to toy around with [13:40:16] [1/2] no and yes and kinda [13:40:16] [2/2] check the currently RfC [13:40:28] I might only need to recolour the "content (article)" after all [13:40:34] We'll just have to see [13:41:33] [1/2] try [[mw:Extension:CSS]], fine for single page styling [13:41:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS [13:41:33] [2/2] you tried to enable extensions already? [13:41:34] [13:42:48] [1/2] I can't say I have. I've only begun my Miraheze/WikiTide/MiraTide journey yesterday :mlem: [13:42:48] [2/2] And in the meantime have been grasping the basic ropes by toying with my user page [13:43:07] ah, well [13:43:25] I guess you can just go w/ HTML [13:44:30] [1/2] if you want content of your user page to have orange background, put it inside [13:44:30] [2/2] `
.../div` [13:44:33] for example [13:45:45] [1/2] Ahh now THAT is what I was looking for I think! [13:45:45] [2/2] But everything else will be helpful to know. And fwiw, I'm asking for future reference, it's not immediately relevant to my work on the user page [13:45:51] Thanks all the same [13:48:19] That's pretty odd an RfC was not made in the first place, will comment on that one. 👍 Hopefully the board slows down and looks into this, a rebrand after an april fools joke is even more confusing haha [13:53:57] a request for feedback was made on community portal, so it just ... went unnoticed, and still ignored [13:54:34] Lanster announced rebrand yesterday on MediaWiki Con [13:54:41] after feedback [13:54:51] which was largely negative [14:13:34] Hey, just wanted to follow up- it's been a week and afaik Reception hasn't responded. I've checked for mentions and messages from them, but can't see anything. If they're busy that's fine, I was just wondering if I should dm someone, or ask someone else? [14:18:26] Which extention would I need to embed SoundCloud tracks? [14:22:46] I haven't tried it, but looking at "additional settings" and clicking on "media" seems to be a good idea [14:22:52] Oh sorry bout that it’s been a bit hectic [14:23:10] I’d say make a post on [[SR/M]] [14:23:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/M [14:23:11] [14:23:22] That's okay- will do! Thanks [14:23:33] videoembed will work, also js solution exists [14:24:56] Thanks [14:25:20] or was it embed video [14:25:33] but it should yeah, there must be documentation [14:46:55] [1/3] Um [14:46:56] [2/3] It longgg [14:46:56] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230892392991686779/Screenshot_20240419_154236_Chrome.png?ex=6623d55f&is=662283df&hm=0c488ebd67015529f689c9f87bd7a8a699d982ec95f2378f11eefd2054bf5b38& [14:47:55] :ThinkerMH: [15:11:07] is mira getting ddosed rn? [15:11:18] not working? [15:11:32] some links are black [15:12:00] worked [15:13:59] Hmm I am generic 500 error message (ie served by my browser) right now in Opera GX, which is my main browser, but things does seem to load in Waterfox, so that is a bit weird [15:14:02] Ffs [15:14:09] Waterford? [15:14:31] A Firefox fork [15:14:56] What’s the differences [15:15:06] now working [15:16:09] I don't really remember, let alone kept up with it, is a LOOOOONG time since I used it majorly, just kept it installed to have as an alternative [15:16:42] but yeah things seems to work again anyway [15:16:53] me w/ comodo [15:17:02] just to not install chrome lol [15:18:13] I use Firefox developer edition [15:19:58] I think we have an attack incoming [15:20:41] Not from East Asia? [15:20:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230900913581854792/image.png?ex=663500ce&is=66228bce&hm=6e7391256b70fc0129215abd73809bf7e5bb0482233b518c931a5f8e630b3975& [15:20:52] attack confirmed [15:21:04] That's my mistake [15:21:21] Good theory [15:21:24] not sure [15:21:28] I see traffic is rising [15:21:33] and cp41 is overloaded [15:21:37] hmm.. [15:21:42] I'm using from asia [15:21:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230901165965971558/image.png?ex=6623dd8b&is=66228c0b&hm=8e8f8b86f2463c67410250844e12b338ab80233a7012f9a770dc209cce1f2d3a& [15:21:57] What are the cp servers again [15:22:21] (And why do we have so many things in this farm with those initials) [15:22:23] no accesslimit from asia hopefully 😐 [15:22:25] [1/4] cp2x = Europe [15:22:26] [2/4] cp3x = US [15:22:26] [3/4] cp4x = East Asia [15:22:26] [4/4] cp5x = Oceania [15:22:41] cache proxy [15:22:51] Ah [15:23:06] So those are the one’s screaming when’s there’s a ddos? [15:23:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230901543533023385/image.png?ex=66350165&is=66228c65&hm=ed36c80ca606bbbedf5d44d1811712025a5e9f33c721f171fb7756c7fa01a2ab& [15:23:19] not scary at all [15:23:24] yes [15:23:31] load average can indicate too many requests [15:23:52] we will be starting to slow down very soon [15:23:57] we're nearing the breaking point [15:24:40] This reminds me of that one Episode of Neon Genesis evangelion with ||the supercomputers getting hacked and the scream getting progressively more and more red||(spoilers) [15:25:11] nge mention [15:25:24] btw french nge wiki went indie recently [15:26:23] 92 workers left [15:26:30] we're reaching exhaustion [15:26:48] huh interesting, as things does seem to work right now for me, unlike a little bit ago xD [15:27:06] it's not as strong as past attacks [15:27:19] our traffic has trippled but nothing has gone down yet [15:27:31] you're likely notice it more if you're in Asia as your connection is crawling [15:28:30] Well at talked about above I got just 10 minutes ago some 500 errors, but right now I can load pages fine (I'm in Europe) [15:28:53] that was me probably lol [15:29:05] syntax error in ManageWiki config which only deployed to mw151 [15:29:20] Ahh :ManyHappyLaughs: [15:31:28] down to 73 workers [15:31:52] now 68 [15:36:04] Hello [15:36:25] What a Doomsday Countdown xD [15:40:15] I just made a request, will it take a long time to be approved? [15:41:10] just got an error message on every page [15:41:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230906084277882990/image.png?ex=6635059f&is=6622909f&hm=798f2c9a9d84b6848d0f0e1dc58912ea4fa16a92a5077e91b13c04bdc6dac730& [15:41:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230906086610047148/IMG_4728.jpg?ex=663505a0&is=662290a0&hm=f213a8c21f694a651c53227a658073242d09d8ae21c41bdbdd325a2ba8507652& [15:41:22] rip [15:41:38] this is so sad [15:43:56] <_1696_> 😱 [15:44:40] <_1696_> (down in uk) [15:45:29] <_1696_> [1/2] ah yes ||/j|| [15:45:29] <_1696_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230907130991612005/image.png?ex=66350699&is=66229199&hm=9f12d5ce6d45370d5d73a2778a86f2f7a697b1899429f0337f19da0ae26b06db& [15:46:06] it's fluctuating [15:46:15] <_1696_> ye [15:46:30] <_1696_> oop its working again lol [15:47:29] <_1696_> one thing I did notice is that all the CSS stuff seemed to die just before everything went big oof [15:54:51] <_1696_> seems to be stable again... for now [15:58:35] ANOTHER DDOS [15:58:38] HOW BRO [16:06:20] What is this doomsday count down [16:06:40] php workers [16:06:54] this hasn't been strong enough to take us down yet which is good [16:07:08] I think the attack will probably blow over eventually [16:18:23] we need CF urgently it appears [16:22:12] If they managed to take down cloud17 yesterday, then it probably is a good idea [16:22:47] Oh [16:22:48] That [16:22:50] Uh [16:22:53] That wasn’t a ddos [16:23:11] Some one accidentally pressed the physical power button [16:23:19] Ah [16:24:04] https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830 [16:25:54] what the hell bro [16:25:57] Well cloud17 is the worst one to accidentally turn off since I believe db171 has mhglobal [16:26:15] anyway todays has to be a ddos right [16:26:20] any db server going on pretty much kills the farm it seems [16:26:24] yes [16:26:42] ty also pls ping on reply [16:27:08] If it doesn’t have mhglobal then some wikis should in theory still work [16:59:41] hey guys, maybe a bit of a inappropriate question, but I moved my wiki to a website, is there a way to either create URL forwarding to my domain, or to close all pages besides the main one with the updated info? [17:00:05] I don't want a dead wiki just handing there, but I would like to let people find the new site [17:03:10] Well, you can delete the wiki [17:07:07] That does require a Steward request ([[Steward requests/(Un)deletions]]), but it shouldn't take too long for it to be processed [17:07:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/(Un)deletions [17:07:08] [17:08:29] I think I can just make it private for now? [17:56:26] [1/2] Hey, I'm seeing a lot of extensions but no Semantic Mediawiki (nor search nor ctrl f found it) [17:56:26] [2/2] Cargo requires it to allow dynamic pages, is it cause it's a manual install? [17:59:48] We offer both [17:59:52] But they are restricted [18:00:08] both SMW and Cargo are available on Miraheze, just require stewards to enable them on wikis, on request [18:00:09] You need to request a steward enable them on [[SR/RC]] [18:00:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/RC [18:00:10] [18:25:06] [1/2] who the fuck is administrator lol [18:25:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230947298779856988/2024-04-19_21_24_47.png?ex=66352c01&is=6622b701&hm=6ccf9213786d7c47bc8a6b6fcfb17cc2d899a8e783825f5de30e1163fe37af17& [18:25:15] real smooth username pick [19:14:34] Is it intention for crats to not be able to demote themselves? [19:24:07] [1/2] Hey can anyone check if the favicon on my wiki isn't showing or if it's just me https://4tourney.wikitide.org/wiki/File:Favicon.ico [19:24:07] [2/2] Since for me it appears to have broke for whatever reason after the downtime yesterday [19:27:21] favicon is not showing up for me [19:48:22] Меня тошнит от русского перевода медиавики, это такой пиздец иногда. Чекюзер это проверка участников а овер это ревизор. Чеблять? [20:05:59] @.labster see DMs [20:06:56] i was also gonna ping labster lmao [20:06:58] anyways [20:07:38] [1/3] very historical yes yes(this is so funny thank you) [20:07:38] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230973101248872489/MFCyeqZ.png?ex=66354409&is=6622cf09&hm=94b303ca1507a4fedbbf987afdff4464392a177b98d49a9f91412638cb5140a0& [20:07:38] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230973101534089256/KSVQNFu.png?ex=66354409&is=6622cf09&hm=3fd21f04a899e3b0f33c89f7c6092158c6c89c7d1bd8fe6e04dbaed41ea44599& [20:09:25] :tropicalwikis: [20:10:19] lmaoo [20:10:38] okay okay we've flamed lab and the board about the rebrand [20:10:48] but can we all agree the rest of the slides are peak [20:11:01] (i am so sorry board) [20:11:23] heh [20:11:57] Labster gave some really interesting historical facts no one really knew [20:12:05] like I was surprised to learn poor John had a heart attack [20:12:05] <.labster> Why am I being pinged? [20:12:11] Same [20:12:22] BWM wanted dm i was laughing at orain meta [20:13:58] see DMs ahah and Pix was commending you on the slides [20:14:20] where was the joke lab made that led to option C being added to the RfC [20:14:42] <.labster> Somewhere, either on this discord or the other one that got deleted. [20:14:42] im rewatching it [20:15:09] do you recall the date? [20:15:12] ish [20:17:09] [1/2] dies [20:17:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230975499023417396/EGjdtvM.png?ex=662422c5&is=6622d145&hm=d9f538a38b090d6f3e68e7479523c104c0ab412580269e3c60e94001082cc432& [20:17:30] <.labster> Date of the joke is I don't know, a day or three before I posted the RFC [20:17:56] I search WikTide from you before jan [20:17:59] and got 6 [20:19:12] <.labster> it may have been in the wikitide discord that got accidentally [20:19:34] <.labster> would have been circa December 21 2023 [20:20:28] For the record: wikitide.wiki is up for grabs [20:20:28] yea its gone [20:20:39] do you remember what the joke was lol? [20:21:18] [1/2] legit have no idea how to make this better [20:21:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1230976539940884530/WeBa6Uv.png?ex=6635473d&is=6622d23d&hm=4e7c4e858ebcac65ffb568bc789d82300557a0ab667e4c210ff45403b7092da4& [20:21:20] its, meh [20:22:16] I believe it was in a private venue [20:22:20] In fact, I can probably find it [20:22:33] yippe [20:23:54] <.labster> I doubt it was a private venue, because the cabal doesn't exist [20:24:11] I am the cabal [20:24:15] who said private venue = cabal? :thonk: [20:24:30] [1/2] > Labster — 12/20/2023 4:04PM CDT [20:24:30] [2/2] > _is very tempted to add "merge with WikiTide" as a second option to the RFC_ [20:24:38] fateful words sent in a DM [20:24:46] oh dm to you [20:24:55] <.labster> It wouldn't be that, just excluding it in advance so that people didn't get the wrong idea that it would be a cabal, which it obviously couldn't be. [20:25:05] there is no cabal [20:25:13] (for realsies) [20:26:32] <.labster> Yeah, not sure exactly how serious I was writing that. It was probably ambiguous even to me at the time. You all know how I am on Discord. [20:27:01] Yes we do [20:27:15] not many other frames of reference besides epic face reveal [20:27:17] <.labster> Like, for example, I made a joke an hour ago and now we control the `#orain` prefix on Libera [20:27:32] This man is a force of nature [20:27:51] Quick make a joke about everyone exodusing fandom and giving us money and people! [20:28:14] We actually have a few big incoming Fandom wikis which we've been onboarding [20:28:17] but shhhhh [20:28:24] on boarding? [20:28:35] like getting set up [20:28:42] smh [20:29:04] I single handedly carried the transfer of a wiki with 45k pages that tooks like 4 days to import [20:30:37] the Mega Incredible Really Awesome Hatters of Extreamly Zuper Epic Admins does not exist [20:30:59] thats two minutes of my life i aint getting back [20:31:00] Some day I'll have more time and will make my genshin wiki more complete and people will use it just as much as the fandom wiki [20:31:55] [1/2] https://arosi.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page is this even promotion? [20:31:55] [2/2] yea uh can somebody make this look better [20:31:57] :3 [20:32:02] ill delete the message [20:32:07] when its rule breaking [20:32:58] It's not promotion, I might be able to help with it later today [20:33:09] oh, alr, thanks! [20:33:19] Hopefully someone can help you sooner tho [20:33:22] (tbh the entire main page could be a bit better) [20:34:05] by we you mean like stewards? [20:34:22] no, I mean the farm [20:35:18] ah in my head onboarding means more like helping them through in a more one on some way [20:36:39] also the thing you mentioned to me yesterday has sent me down a mental rabbit hole thats kept me entertaining myself in my enigma of a head all day so thank you(?) [20:39:10] probs on about ftb wiki [21:14:01] I’m sorry [21:14:06] What happened [21:14:17] guh [21:14:22] why brandon blue again [21:14:47] @Discord Moderators ? [21:14:57] What exactly happened [21:15:12] WC and meta sysop also gone [21:15:15] #mod-logs says he lost everything [21:15:23] But doesn't state the who did it [21:15:32] yeah dyno moment [21:15:49] Labster did you do this \j [21:15:57] jk it was fandom hackers of [21:16:04] but yeah this is weird [21:16:19] Someone check audit log please [21:17:32] dms [21:17:38] It was Lav [21:17:53] Seems so [21:18:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze%27s_name_and_branding?oldid=389749 - relevant diff [21:19:07] Clarification is being sought [21:19:12] Yeah at no time did I insinuate I was the spokesperson for the Board [21:19:15] I’m not sure where he grabbed that [21:19:24] I passed on what Board members told me to pass on [21:20:59] [1/2] Dumb question but I can't access localsetting correct? [21:20:59] [2/2] It's just that well I wanted to custom some parameters there & there and I don't find any way to access it [21:21:11] mmmmm [21:21:14] No [21:21:16] its and yes and no [21:21:26] most things are in ManageWiki [21:21:35] if you need to add something to LS.php [21:21:37] you can [21:21:53] by making a PR on [[github:miraheze/mw-config]] [21:21:53] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config [21:21:54] [21:22:20] Okay thanks! [21:22:38] What do you need to cange [21:24:54] Well 2 things actually but mainly the logo and the favicon I don't find where to define it by default (really new to miraheze and wiki stuff overall) [21:25:01] Oh [21:25:07] that's in managewii [21:25:25] I just don't recall where [21:26:08] Special:ManageWiki/settings under the "Styling" tab [21:27:23] <.labster> Yeah, we're considering things @brandon.wm, hold on. [21:28:02] please hold while we transfer your call [21:35:18] Least stupid Board action [21:35:42] You did exactly what they told you and then they demoted you because they just hallucinated some non existent messages [21:37:28] I don't think that's a very fair statment. [21:38:09] It may just be, but can anyone really envision Labster actually consulting the rest of the board and them saying yeah go ahead before doing this. [21:38:18] Emphasis on part one.. [21:38:33] Oh true [21:39:04] There is no way the rest of the Board would approve that idea because it's so obviously not what happened [21:39:24] Labster has stated that it was a bold decision and that he admits he probably should've consulted with other Board members before undertaking it [21:39:28] Nowhere did BWM claim to be a spokesperson, he just repeated what he was told [21:39:36] ^ [21:40:00] [1/3] amazing, just amazing [21:40:00] [2/3] I think "Be bold, not reckless" applies [21:40:01] [3/3] Demoting someone with no discussion is more reckless than bold [21:40:09] Also I’d like to say that under policy, rights cannot be revoked without a community election. [21:40:19] Y’know, democratic processes and all that [21:40:53] Labster seems to not care about those atp [21:41:19] @cosmicalpha kindly see DMs [21:41:45] I will make one thing clear. This is not a board decision. This was the decision of a Discord admin in the capacity as a Discord admin. Not in the capacity as a board member at all. [21:41:53] alr I see [21:41:55] That's good then [21:41:58] Discord admins can’t revoke rights [21:42:07] Especially not community ones [21:42:34] Yeah, Labster removed CVT, wiki creator, meta admin, etc [21:42:40] No reason to do that at all [21:43:04] Please let us figure this out. We will get back when a decision is reached. [21:43:17] Alright [21:44:28] I just read that [21:44:31] sigh [21:44:35] Very concerning statement [21:45:13] And yes I acknowledge it's one person not the whole Board but it does not inspire trust that one person in a position of trust is doing this [21:45:31] There have been no changes of rights on meta, just Discord. [21:46:05] Labster stated on Meta that Brandon would be demoted without specifying only Discord although I acknowledge that it's only happened on Discord so far [21:46:14] I have spoken to a few people and I'm really struggling to see what the fuck [21:46:23] Yes, but there have been no changes in rights there. [21:46:24] And even if I could, it's really not been handled well [21:46:25] This has nothing to do with the board at all. [21:47:03] My 2c can be had privately if desired as I don’t wish to publicly comment on this for the sake of drama [21:47:31] Actually…..never mind. You guys know my thoughts on this one. [21:47:47] I am aware [21:47:48] This would explicitly contradict policy of all sorts. [21:48:21] I could see policies it could be done under [21:48:35] But it's a hard one to justify [21:48:36] ngl Brandon your actions also were strange since yesterday, on your place I wouldn't even try to pass something from board members [21:49:06] w/ rfc talk etc [21:49:22] Can I suggest we all wait for a proper statement [21:49:26] sure [21:49:35] Or at least give it a few hours [21:49:39] Yes please thank yiu [21:49:55] Clearly it was a mistake to say anything of the kind given an apparent misunderstanding (I’d like to believe), but I can assure it was not under the impression of a Board spokesperson and what I was told was directly from a Board member. [21:50:02] If its not resolved by the time I wake up, we'll have our own version of WP:FRAM [21:50:10] I'll write an open letter you can all sign [21:51:49] lets hope it dont come to that [21:51:57] that's a bit extreme [21:52:10] prob [21:52:42] I'm pretty sure Discord mods will resolve this soon [21:52:47] @agentisai you've got a director on the loose making sanctions against people without any authority that make little sense in the worlds worst attempt at public relations [21:53:03] So I'd call that one fairly unprecedented [21:53:13] Which is why I suggest I sleep first [21:53:26] that's a good idea [21:53:29] That gives us around 8-9 hours to let you work out what's going on [21:53:41] I'm sure we probably only need 30 minutes [21:57:20] I agree [21:58:14] these past two days have been hectic [21:58:15] Labster's one of the seats that shoyld be subject to vote [21:59:07] true [21:59:07] I'm not. Labster should've known this behavior is unacceptable. If Labster thinks it's okay to do this then Labster won't be able to resolve it in 30 minutes. [22:00:00] Please take a breath [22:00:03] siding w/ Rhinos here, let's cool it [22:00:14] also oh boy 1am [22:00:20] Was gonna say, we need to stay civil here. [22:00:30] Stay civil [22:00:45] I need to sleep and I don't want to wake up to drama fest [22:00:53] And I assume @theoneandonlylegroom wants some rest too [22:01:05] byeee [22:02:52] oí [22:03:24] half of them added back [22:05:23] Labster has decided to only revoke your Discord Moderator right for the time being [22:05:35] Under the GCP, yes? [22:05:44] Nowhere does it state that rights may be revoked unilaterally under that [22:05:49] And I’ve not violated that policy [22:06:14] Totally unauthorized and improper action, and not even the first [22:07:27] Apologies if this a cringe question to ask, but how long do Wiki requests take to be approved? I'm not impatient, just an ETA will soothe me opening the tab every 30 minutes [22:07:30] I'm assuming the other admins and board are still talking about this [22:07:31] Agreed [22:07:38] I’ll do it now, DM me the request [22:07:39] At most a few days, usually quicker [22:07:40] it depends a lot [22:07:52] the oldest we have rn is the 15th [22:07:54] The rest of the Board has refuted this claim by Lab per his comments on-wiki [22:08:08] So to continue to remove all rights unilaterally is not appropriate either [22:08:15] Alr I will [22:08:16] And also violates policy [22:08:23] I probably should've clarified that your rights were only suspended; "revoked" is not really the best way to put it [22:08:29] ~_~ [22:08:49] i dont wanna go through this two days in a row on a friday afternoo [22:09:03] php take me back sweetheart im sorry [22:09:41] Done [22:12:42] see DMs? [22:13:01] Suspended is also not within policy, just to be clear [22:13:43] [1/4] Now, as I consider the idea of proposing my idea for a wiki, I wonder if it is best if: [22:13:44] [2/4] * I have one Wiki dedicated to hosting ALL of my projects (of which there are four of I can think of off the top of my head), where the Main Page will essentially be a nexus leading to project specific "Hub" pages where the links to important pages & stuff will be [22:13:44] [3/4] * Or I make multiple wikis, each for each separate project I want to host [22:13:44] [4/4] I feel it best to ask you all first what is more suitable, and use that to weigh my decision [22:14:06] It really depends [22:14:13] How large are the projects in scale? [22:14:57] I'd pick first, because I'm too lazy to import around same assets to 3 instances [22:15:14] (yup, still not cleeping) [22:16:02] [1/5] Some are larger than others, or at least, I plan for them to be large :mlem: [22:16:02] [2/5] One of them I plan to tell in "story chunks" so there might eventually be a lot of pages for it [22:16:02] [3/5] Another is more traditionally wiki-styled [22:16:03] [4/5] Another is more stylistically inclined, but tells information to you relatively straight [22:16:03] [5/5] And another I haven't figured for yet [22:16:09] Oh that's very fair [22:17:24] how's everything going [22:17:29] PALADOX [22:17:31] DUDE [22:17:36] oh hi paladox [22:17:41] nice to cya again [22:17:51] Apart from some controversy, fine [22:17:57] i heard [22:18:00] and DDOS [22:18:04] its been going, last few days been a bit hectic but overall farms been pretty good [22:18:27] and that yeah but i think we moving onto CloudFlare soon to fix that [22:18:42] how ya been doing? [22:18:50] yay paladox is back [22:18:52] i've been doing fine [22:18:54] but servers are keeping up pretty well against these new attacks [22:18:59] good to hear [22:19:02] lots of DDoS [22:19:04] o7 paladox [22:19:05] yup [22:19:09] hi paladox [22:19:10] hey paladox [22:19:11] whats a paladox [22:19:19] our cool guy [22:19:20] a man, a myth, a legend [22:19:21] hi cosmos guY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:19:27] seems the biggest threat to them these days is rough maintenance employees [22:19:39] 😆 [22:19:44] Among our best long running sre from older days is all [22:19:47] all of the above [22:19:50] why are people even ddosing miraheze [22:20:01] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [22:20:22] co soloed keeping the farm up with void late last year. MEGA LEGEND this man 🫡 [22:20:33] because they have nothing better to do [22:20:37] [1/2] ill just guess that theyre fandom fanboys and want to get miraheze down [22:20:38] [2/2] because "fandom is the best" or whatever that means [22:20:50] fandom moment [22:20:51] eh, there's not a lot of such people really [22:21:05] wikia ❤️ [22:21:42] ok, now for real, good night [22:21:50] Night [22:21:52] gn [22:22:17] cya Legroom 👋 [22:22:31] i wonder if a fandom employee came here [22:22:32] good night [22:22:47] Don't hate the employyees too much tbh [22:23:05] how is that hating [22:23:15] the outfacing community staff tend to be pretty nice folks who generally care [22:23:20] k [22:23:24] the high execs though [22:23:33] they the ones worth scorn imho [22:23:42] FANDOM is run by an investment firm iirc [22:25:24] [1/2] Sorry to be a bother, but I havea private wiki- how do I add another user to be able to see or edit the content? [22:25:24] [2/2] May be obvious bu tI am new to all this! [22:25:49] MiraHedgeFund when??? [22:26:17] have them visit the main page to make an account locally [22:26:26] then [[Special:UserRights]] [22:26:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights [22:26:27] [22:26:30] Ohh that'd be a start [22:26:32] no! [22:26:37] bad board cabal [22:26:38] we will build......... a massive statue of nothing in particular in the middle of the atacama desert [22:26:41] bad [22:28:44] also in regards to dms, you want me to go ahead and msg DD? [22:32:18] FanMiraTideShoutmedia when [22:33:14] we're working on buying Fandom [22:33:29] Good to know [22:35:04] Btw how do you make a local account? Sorry! [22:35:14] you just have to visit the main page [22:35:14] It’s made automatically [22:35:20] When you visit a wiki [22:35:29] It’s annoying at times.. [22:35:42] [[Special:CentralAuth/Raidarr]]… [22:35:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Raidarr [22:35:43] [22:36:15] Though, critically, you must be logged in when you visit the wiki. [22:36:30] In some cases (esp with private wikis, the user may need to log in again to complete the account 'attach' [22:36:44] i love scrolling for 30 seconds [22:40:01] [1/2] My friend entered the main page with an account, now there's a present (albeit empty) user page under her name [22:40:01] [2/2] I'll see if I can get it to work then [22:40:14] Yeah [22:40:27] Just go to Special:UserRights and enter her name [22:40:40] [1/4] Are they public or private? If private, one wiki to rule them all. [22:40:40] [2/4] If they're public, do they fit together or have some association besides you being their driving force? If they're part of a verse, even if loosely, a single wiki might be good (especially if you use templates and such), but if they're unrelated, they should probably be separate (or separate groups/pairs, depending on ties). [22:40:40] [3/4] Also, depends on what your objective is. [22:40:40] [4/4] Just my thoughts. [22:47:09] [1/5] ty for the thoughts [22:47:09] [2/5] well, for one, I'm thinking of making the wiki/wikis public, and finding some way of making it read-only except for me, myself and I, just because I think having to "let in" miraheze users (not to mention people w/o accounts) would be one hell of a hassle... I know there's a way of locking a thread to read-only via an extension, which I'd have to look into [22:47:10] [3/5] because I have no idea how that works rn, and even locking groups out of editing, so that's not a problem I reckon [22:47:10] [4/5] anyway anyway, by the logic of that, I should use separate wikis because my projects aren't linked to eachother beyond me having made them, but I don't quite know if that sits right with me so I'll have to give that some thought [22:47:10] [5/5] and generally, the objective is to migrate & then work further on my worldbuilding projects via wikis... It's a purely personal thing for the most part [22:48:06] You can make your wiki read-only by going to Special:ManageWiki/permissions, removing the "edit" right from everyone, and adding it to the administrator group [22:48:27] Oh, then it's easier than I thought! :rolchamp: [22:49:32] It defeats the point of a wiki, but there are some things are probably better left protected [22:49:55] One other benefit to a single wiki: you only have to configure template/module/extension infrastructure once. [22:50:42] There are some perfectly reasonable situations where you'd want to tightly restrict editing rights, e.g. official documentation or personal project where there inherently is only one or a small number of SMEs qualified to add content [22:50:54] there are ways to assemble a single wiki to aesthetically represent multiple themes if say, stuff is divided out by namespace [22:51:06] nuh uh [22:51:09] ahh, good stuff [22:51:23] They're the ones banning admins for trying to fork the wiki [22:51:36] they'd probably gotten that message from above [22:51:46] Well true [22:52:02] not an enviable job to be put in the line of fire, that's the way most businesses work: the people who make these decisions hide behind the line that enforces them [22:52:26] The F2ES internal documentation wiki has "generator protection" which restricts editing only to administrators and documentation generators for things like inheritance lists [22:52:26] But I feel they should at least be able to say that it's just the policy they have to enforce, if they can't then ig I understand [22:52:47] em does a Discord moderator mind restoring the rest of my rights? [22:52:53] GR and Meta sysop [22:53:01] and then we'll deal with the mod item separately [22:53:12] [1/3] heh, there is A LOT to look into :mlem: [22:53:13] [2/3] namespaces, Special:ManageWiki, templates, extensions [22:53:13] [3/3] I'm glad I've got time to learn [22:53:13] Roles would likely be a better descriptor [22:53:21] heh yeah [22:53:45] Done [22:53:56] ty - not sure what happened to my Branned role :p [22:54:05] it used to exist and is now kapoof [22:54:13] I didn’t see a deleted message [22:54:14] or maybe it still exists [22:54:15] idk [22:54:21] yeah me neither [22:54:23] I liked my blue [22:54:28] You were removed though [22:54:35] Want my personal opinion [22:54:46] by all means [22:55:16] That blue was ugly as hell and unreadable and it’s a crime to force GS to have that Color:moonch: [22:55:18] \hj [22:55:53] <@&1210471871456223322> it appears to still exist [22:56:17] That's not a GS role, that's a custom role someone (possibly brandon) put on themselves [22:56:26] I am aware. [22:56:27] But GS does share that color [22:56:32] Lab, actually, created [22:56:34] That’s what I meant [22:56:35] I just modified later on [22:56:47] Ah, got it. [22:56:58] see DMs if you can? [22:57:02] not sure your availability atm [22:57:17] Less than a grain of sand, sadly [22:57:25] :( [22:57:36] This is about all I can eke out in the interim [22:57:52] Ah okay, no worries. [22:57:56] Over the weekend if you're able? [22:58:29] tbh I can't read it in dark mode [22:58:36] maybe a poor choice of color [22:58:38] same [22:58:42] the blue is really difficult to see [22:58:54] exactly [22:59:07] I love the MS color tho [22:59:33] yeah the blue isn't right [23:03:08] just realized the cache issues where things wouldn't refresh at all until the page is purged is fixed now [23:03:10] so 👍 [23:04:21] ur the goat [23:47:33] Apparently his position falls under appointed, not elected, which I disagree with [23:57:12] Its been mentioned that who got what seat was kind of arbitraryly decided [23:58:48] pretty much yes