[00:10:13] [1/3] Well, WT Foundation seats that pre-dated merger with MH is kind of different from moving forward. [00:10:14] [2/3] tbh, I never looked at MH Ltd "board seats" vs WT board seats, so it's hard to say concerning appointed vs elected. [00:10:14] [3/3] WT Foundation is a different entity than MH Ltd, with US laws vs UK laws playing a role. [00:10:59] It may be less an issue of "appointed" vs "elected" as it is the community decided it wanted WT Foundation to assume control of Miraheze. [00:11:24] Just a point to consider. [00:11:40] I don’t think anyone here regrets to merger tbh [00:12:02] the seating arrangement is similar enough to be interchangeable in casual discussion [00:12:07] also, labster was only brought onto the board of the WTF(heh) after the RfC iirc [00:13:00] the other note is that ltd had an incredibly sparse board for the duration of its runtime especially at the end while there is a proper filled out board now for the most part [00:13:52] To marginally correct the record -- the folks delegated to community seats are also serving in community-facing roles, which was a large part of the rationale. [00:14:55] eh, that almost seems backwards, with some being doubly accounted to the community and others not at all [00:17:04] The idea with our allocation of appointed seats is focusing on bringing in outside/less community-specific voices that have unique skills that bring value to the foundation, e.g. CA who's primarily focused in technical domains and Harej who's been involved with running other non-profit orgs and the mediawiki space generally for ages. [00:33:26] [1/3] It has not been resolved and it's been nearly 3 hours [00:33:26] [2/3] I don't care that the inquiry isn't done yet, demoting someone because they've been accused of wrongdoing with no evidence and then waiting for hours for every Steward and Board member to wake up (if it's not Stewards and Board members they're waiting for then I honestly think that's worse because there is not any special insight any group especial [00:33:27] [3/3] ly minor ones could provide) [00:35:22] Collei sweet christ calm down. [00:35:31] People have lives outside of here [00:39:05] and I suspect Rhinos to sleep a bit more than 2 and a half ish hours 😉 [00:39:47] That's fine and I accept that but because people have lives outside Miraheze, you shouldn't have to wait for every single Board member and Steward to be available on Miraheze to restore mod rights to someone who was demoted with no evidence or explanation [00:40:35] There was an explanation that has at least some merit [00:40:55] Nowhere has Brandon claimed to be a spokesperson for the board [00:41:16] It could certainly could have and was interpreted as such. [00:41:38] sigh [00:41:43] im not arguing this rn [00:41:50] Me when I don't understand the situation: [00:42:01] I did not see any such message, and no only Rodejong interpreted it as such and Labster just took their word for it claiming that was actually what was said [00:42:13] I'd like to remind everyone to be civil when discussing this matter [00:42:15] Waki. I’ve been watching and involved in most of these discussions the past few days [00:42:18] Neither do I. [00:42:35] thank you tali :) [00:43:06] Why would Stewards and the Board decide this? [00:43:10] This is outside of their purview [00:43:24] It's in the Discord admins/mods ball court [00:43:49] evidently, discussion has halted in that front [00:43:50] Brandon said that he had heard that the board decided xyz, Labster decreed that this was some kind of official proclamation of being a Board spokesperson and removed every role from Brandon without consulting anyone else [00:44:23] Clearly, so until some discussion happens, actions taken by a single admin without the agreement of even one other moderator or admin should not be enforced [00:44:51] It's a stalemate at the current moment on what to do [00:45:56] there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it so I'm keeping an eye on it [00:46:52] [1/3] NotAracham did not say who is deciding it so I assumed it's some important group. [00:46:53] [2/3] If it's Discord admins, then I am pretty sure they are online to ask for their opinion, if not then revert the change until there's any justification for it because actions taken with no valid explanation should not be upheld indefinitely until every single admin is available which because of timezones and irl obligations and interests beyond Mira [00:46:53] [3/3] heze could take a day or more [00:48:22] [1/4] This whole scenario is quite complicated. It involves the rename thing, a member's role in discussions regarding that, and how that may or may not impact their roles, both on-wiki, and in the server. [00:48:22] [2/4] It's actually more complex than it might seem at first glance. [00:48:22] [3/4] It needs a minute for appropriate folks to take a look at. It won't be resolved in an hour or three. I'd bet it will take a day or three. [00:48:23] [4/4] We need to give it a minute. [00:48:42] The rename is a separate issue [00:48:58] Deciding that is not a prerequisite to Brandon's Discord roles [00:52:42] Not really since the issue you're concerned with has to do with Brandon's responses about the rename. [00:52:44] Brandon isnt a moderator anymore [00:53:03] Long story thats up for debate [00:53:04] like since when 😭 [00:53:11] Today [00:53:17] Since Labster labed too hard [00:53:58] The decision is among all mods and admins [00:54:36] what happened? [00:54:36] When was the last time that every mod and admin was active and available at the same time? [00:54:43] Pretty sure it's been at least a few days [00:55:12] Brandon made some statements that made him look like he was part of the Board, and Labster demoted him for it [00:55:12] Brandon said true statements that Labster didn't like and Labster demoted him for "misinformation" [00:55:19] no he didn't [00:55:36] He made statements that conveyed what he been told the board was doing, that was clear from his messages [00:55:55] the key is less everyone involved at the same time as it is letting as many as possible opine on the matter and collecting the result from that; as for the statements there are a handful that could have and indeed did come off the wrong way [00:56:08] am i cursed because everytime i start trying to get active on miraheze within a week new drama happens [00:56:11] Like I said, the vote is tied [00:56:27] That is in fact the first time you said that [00:56:43] ^ [00:56:44] i think he said it earlier [00:56:51] concur with this 100% [00:56:51] for example having seen both what was drawn from and what was said after asking directly, brandon's statements were an unwise extrapolation of what he was told [00:57:21] you are the fault of all mh drama. stop it. [00:57:33] jk [00:57:35] A stalemate is not the same as a vote was opened on what to do and it was a tie [00:57:38] :xsob: [00:57:40] Collie christ calm down man [00:58:04] what collei has another discord account? 😭 [00:58:17] long story but yes [00:58:29] This is the one I'll be using for Miraheze activity for now [00:58:46] im convinced you are 90% of discord userbsse [00:59:39] Can't agree with this. While Brandon made statements along party lines, he never suggested he was representing the Board. [00:59:59] I wouldn't be surprised if most Discord accounts are alts because everyone I know has at least one alt [01:00:19] I only have one discord account [01:00:29] me personally i have 4 alts [01:00:39] Lol cool [01:04:19] lol [01:04:29] rip [01:04:52] wow theres a lot of janitors cleaning the server room huh [01:05:14] fucking douchebags ddosing miraheze [01:05:28] For the record we do plan to migrate miraheze.org to cloudflare, so hopefully we can prevent these in the future... that is if we approve the security and privacy of it which is still pending my review. [01:05:46] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12057 [01:05:50] cloudflare plz [01:06:41] wait. we already did this for today [01:07:09] We have had 2-3 per day the last couple days. [01:07:12] whoever ddosing Miraheze must be a lonely fucker who will die alone KEKW [01:07:21] fuck whoever doing thatt [01:07:57] im back to surfing the disc and ive seen like four in the past two days. is there any idea whos doing this? [01:08:00] We have 8x more traffic in the last 20 days then in the last 90 days before then btw. [01:08:12] 2-3 per day? jeez [01:08:58] So yeah we are definitely looking to move to cloudflare to prevent these... [01:11:09] Wait we are being ddosed? I didn't really notice except for the longer load times [01:11:33] we've been steadily hit for some time now, on and off [01:11:53] We are able to hold up against a ton of traffic which is nice, it takes pretty large DDoSes to take us down. We have been hit by a few that didn't even really bring us down at all. [01:14:56] a nolife fag who lives in his parents basement probably, fuck whoevers doing that [01:15:17] :boingboing: [01:15:47] Seems it's time for me, once again, to say how wonderful our volunteer tech folks do to keep Miraheze up and running. DDoSes are an obvious issue, but they're at work before and after those. [01:15:59] indeed [01:15:59] We love Miraheze volunteers [01:16:13] el gato [01:19:15] Just FYI I have just approved the last parts of security and privacy for moving to Cloudflare so I'm hoping we can try to undertake that process this weekend. [01:28:34] [1/2] does it look good [01:28:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231053869690261675/khLqlak.png?ex=66358f42&is=66231a42&hm=f439babd499180ea3c9519783f0124e4ad722e27216b704ee38eb0e7a2efa2f9& [01:29:13] the fandom fanboys are getting mad!!!!! [01:29:40] We're still getting around 3x the traffic but we're doing fine [01:29:41] for now [01:29:59] there is no ddos. just very popular [01:41:39] 3x the popular. lol [01:48:01] literally why 😭 [03:20:11] Did CF offer us a free business plan? [03:20:14] Amazing [04:48:09] :pupCoffeeMH: [04:55:15] The benefits of nonprofit status and agent being proactive with pursuing those opportunities showering us with good fortune. 😄 [04:56:05] Thank you to them for chasing down that application process w CF and working on making implementation as painless as possible [05:47:57] We’re getting cloud flare? [05:48:00] :huh: [05:52:33] @notaracham see DMs just for a quick notice, don’t need to respond even [05:52:53] That's the current plan at least, we became eligible for their free business plan and are exploring implementation [05:53:55] :Partyheze: [06:00:39] did anything change? a template on my wiki broke without anyone did anything [06:01:25] could you link the template? [06:02:02] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Artifact/AttackSkill [06:02:31] [1/2] it should work properly like this (can't find better pic) [06:02:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231122810571853955/image.png?ex=6635cf77&is=66235a77&hm=90d3311e37724def939fa7a7370f6b36dde291bddf79b94b57c31b8e1bee0726& [06:02:35] [1/2] but now it's broken [06:02:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231122825587462246/image.png?ex=6624abfa&is=66235a7a&hm=0fa78ca6c49fc247ed14039ba62a813a69ef2e734c28e0c8dd153c1eef8431c3& [06:03:00] no one changed anything recently [06:03:45] [1/2] link of the screenshots above [06:03:45] [2/2] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/Bao_Lian_Deng [06:10:58] already purged cached for the page above so totally isn't weird cache problem this time [06:11:50] i've been waiting for 12h+ to see if it fixes itself but nothing changed [06:12:02] weird thing happened without any change 🧐 [06:22:10] I will look into it tomorrow if nobody else gets to it, it's nearly midnight here and I'm going to sleep soon [06:24:55] I would suggest looking at upstream templates, it looks like there may have been some changes there. [06:25:25] Also late for me after a long workday, so nothing else to suggest for now [06:32:52] @notaracham can you DM please when you get a minute [06:33:11] no change there related to that template [06:34:03] the lastest change to main template was before the screenshot when it was working got taken [06:49:14] morning [06:59:23] Hey @theoneandonlylegroom [11:04:14] What's this [11:04:51] ? [11:05:41] Sorry I just saw some abnormal stuff this is because of my app running abnormally [11:05:47] It's ok [11:06:22] So I came here to see the progress of my request [11:16:11] [1/3] do your templates involve js? [11:16:12] [2/3] because recently formatting of my js based template broke, out of the blue, w/o any changes [11:16:12] [3/3] had to replace div (which worked fine prior that) w/ a span and br to fix it [12:22:02] [1/2] i think u have 2 extra brackets here on your Template:Artifact [12:22:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231218318246150217/image.png?ex=6636286a&is=6623b36a&hm=2f40986e7bc70c2b3b48621ad06df68f90acf512738d74b902de228234669fc4& [12:26:45] wiki broke [12:27:05] nevermind [12:33:20] [1/2] oh wait, you're right X/ [12:33:20] [2/2] weird that no one had any problem about that until now [12:33:53] ignore me guys [12:34:02] https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937 [12:34:09] prolly just didnt notice since the 14th lol [12:35:58] the screenshot i posted was taken at 15th, maybe cache was still working lol [12:36:18] what happened on 14th again [12:36:34] an edit for that template XD [12:52:43] <_______________________________d> is miraheze loading slowly for anyone else? [12:54:52] <_______________________________d> [1/2] dont think its on my end\ [12:54:52] <_______________________________d> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231226579267620884/image.png?ex=66250c9b&is=6623bb1b&hm=3dc59a21b3b23685c296e0ce1e60928d08e2015515e93cac952ec53707e299b0& [12:57:37] Yes, we're being DDoS'd since yesterday [12:57:57] It is possible to see detailed MH server status? [12:58:03] Yes [12:58:17] https://Grafana.WikiTide.bet [12:58:21] You mostly just have to look at Grafana and see the amount of incoming traffic [12:58:41] Which server again? [12:59:53] Anyways agent buddy man very important question [13:00:38] How are you doing:nomChocoStrawberry: [13:01:10] long week for the whole bunch [13:01:20] for agent even longer [13:01:32] I'd typically focus on the cp* servers, specifically cp41 [13:01:39] I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking! [13:01:48] exhausted but I'm pulling through [13:02:02] Yeah:/ [13:02:15] [1/2] If this emoji was here I’d use it but [13:02:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231228440775098510/image0.jpg?ex=663631d7&is=6623bcd7&hm=5f3b288bcd882525b06e4dd4eb1da10de25aea323c6f30e48ecdcb797ea9b419& [13:07:51] If you like maybe put on some music in the background while you work on whatever to, not sure if relax is the right word depends on the music but yeah. I personally like music while I work so idk if it helps you but hey [13:13:19] @pixldev music is cool [13:13:42] [1/2] My Spotify agrees [13:13:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231231321267765358/image0.jpg?ex=66363486&is=6623bf86&hm=32f79721df681ea46f1ad648f4a460dc52c33d4c57fcd887fd14a1559a9f5fd7& [13:14:45] [1/2] I also listened to a weee bit of it last year… [13:14:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231231586213695579/IMG_2509.jpg?ex=663634c5&is=6623bfc5&hm=1558f271d888273b092d040f4436b13bf6a3886940725eb0f64c192eed01dffe& [13:15:03] 75,900….. [13:15:23] Top 2% [13:15:28] Help [13:16:17] @pixldev in what time period [13:16:42] 2023 although it’s probably a bit offset since the results come in the December [13:17:45] I got something similarly ridiculous in 22 I believe [13:17:51] @pixldev 14,151 minutes in 3 months for me [13:17:56] YouTube is weird [13:18:00] Won't show me last year [13:18:42]