[00:00:01] 502 bad gateway [00:00:03] Happened to my friend a few hours ago [00:00:06] 😭🙏 [00:00:34] Competition is good, don't rely on chromium [00:03:20] loading slow [00:03:24] probably a ddos [00:03:31] ffs [00:03:46] i just wanna edit my mario kart wii wiki in peace 😭 [00:04:37] DNS cache must not have expired yet [00:05:08] yall know a lot about networking [00:05:23] all i know is dns is phonebook [00:05:26] No im just a parrot [00:05:51] (i mean i do kinda understand) [00:10:35] Please post this on the Phorge task if you haven't already [00:21:01] I mean surely they are better than google? (since Chromium is the only other big browser engine) [00:21:33] internet explorer? [00:26:05] [1/2] Is anyone using actual IE, though yeah that does seem to run on MS own propierty engine, (which mean they can't really be considered a competitor on that market anyway)? [00:26:05] [2/2] And MS Edge is since 2018 been Chromium based [00:31:02] ie the standalone has been ditched by ms themselves [00:31:16] firefox has its closest skeletons including a 500m donation from google but at least it's something [00:32:20] everything from edge to opera to google (of course) to brave and vivaldi have one underlying engine though [00:32:45] then there's odd ones that nobody at scale supports [00:34:02] Is Commetian Empire on Discord? If so, what's your user name? [00:34:36] I’ve never seen her here. [00:34:36] btw jph, was revert on the CN an error? [00:34:46] not seen jph on discord iirc [00:34:50] I think she’s like Silicona [00:35:23] [1/3] I'm just gonna mention something I forgot to earlier. As some may know, we moved to Cloudflare in order to reduce the effect of these DDoSes. We have been approved for a free CF business plan, with Project Galileo, however what I wanted to make sure is understood as we still have ongoing attacks, is there may still he issues while we perfect Cloudflare configuration, and cache wa [00:35:24] [2/3] rms up within Cloudflare as well. Additionally at this time no custom domains are using the Cloudflare CDN, only miraheze.org is at this time. Custom domains will be considered at a later time. [00:35:24] [3/3] There is no particular reason for bringing this up now, but just out of anticipation of what may be expected by this move and I just wanted to clear it up. [00:35:24] Her user page also didn’t mention it. Ask her on her talk [00:35:58] but yeah, feedback on wikis is a valid use of the CN and has been done a few times [00:36:01] :DoneMH: [00:36:11] What wiki? [00:36:13] it does not only have to be global topics/assistance [00:36:27] regarding a revert done on the community portal which I still keep calling CN [00:36:58] Old names die hard 🙂 [00:36:59] Yeah it’s a bettee name [00:37:16] i kinda wanna change it back [00:37:18] in fact @jph2, see the opening description: ```This noticeboard is community discussions, generally global in nature, or which relate to specific wikis or users. ``` [00:37:19] Wait I must have been living in a ditch, CN is gone? Lmao I somehow completely missed this, I have been busy lately but that's kinda embarrassing lol [00:37:26] just renamed [00:37:28] the acronym is better [00:37:34] ah [00:38:08] i don't think it was an error since the comment i reverted didn't belong in CN. if I'm mistaken, I would like to know. [00:38:17] I believe it was distinctly mistaken [00:38:23] it fits into the latter of the description I quoted [00:38:45] It’s a very productive ditch we all are infinitely thankful you live in :) [00:39:29] ok. thank you. then I am mistaken. [00:39:41] it happens, lord knows it's happened a lot this past week [00:41:32] Indeed. Hopefully we can all get back to doing what we enjoy doing soon enough [00:42:05] one of these days we need to pin you in particular with a larger hat tbh [00:43:01] CP is an unfortunate acronym for sure [00:43:11] and yet we have it not once but twice [00:43:17] twice?? [00:43:50] oh yeah twice [00:43:59] And then we also got WTF`(WikiTide Foundation)` now xD [00:44:04] hehe maybe one day. But let me get used to WC first lol [00:44:27] Why did I almost say get used to GS lmO [00:44:41] wtf is just mildly amusing [00:44:50] Incredibly [00:44:55] I like that one lol [00:45:10] CA did anyone ever notice that when founding? [00:45:57] We weren't originally WikiTide Foundation we were WikiTide Incorporated, which btw is still what the IRS things of us as lol [00:46:28] Oh yeah [00:46:47] did you notice it only after though? [00:47:15] It was noticed and chuckled about [00:48:39] wait @raidarr what was the first [00:49:05] I used to use MHL, still do….I prefer to just type WikiTide Foundation instead of WTF [00:49:09] 😅 [00:50:25] Content Policy [00:50:47] call it WFI [00:50:57] WiFi [00:51:02] 🤦‍♂️ [00:51:06] I should know that one [00:51:18] also is it normal for only like a single request you put on hold to be responded to after like 3 days [00:51:36] braib fart [00:51:38] https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-20107028 [00:51:50] Uncommon, but not unusual [00:51:59] yeah, some see them, some don't. some respond, some don't. 🤷‍♂️ [00:52:12] Low response rate is very commin [00:52:22] But yes, common [00:52:25] i actually think it is more common than we'd like [00:52:28] tbf, it is usually infinitely easier to remember what acronyms means when used in a proper context, compared to "out of the blue" like right now with this [00:52:43] Yeah. Was partly wondering if the new status/notifications in general were spotty [00:52:46] Part of why Reception has that RfF on changes I think [00:52:59] NA had a acronym subpage I think [00:53:00] Sorry to make a harsh comment but wow, I really didn't see a solid argument about rebranding. You seem to omit the non-English community. It will be just like the Other Wiki? Posdata apologies but do not ban me [00:53:03] Then again the oldest ones predated the new status [00:53:06] Lost it somewhere but it should be revisited [00:53:17] Nobody’s banning, don’t worry 🙂 [00:53:28] We aren’t gonna ban you for speaking you’re mind lol. [00:54:00] But whay do you mean in that we are neglecting the non English community. I am genuinely curious to understand your reasoning [00:54:03] You are free to speak opinion, and I'm sorry about whatever we've done wrong if you think speaking an opinion will get you banned. [00:55:29] Seconded there, due apologies. [00:55:32] whast a cn??? [00:55:50] Several of the arguments are very focused on the English language, how to speak or how to understand what the word means. [00:56:06] To your point, I was convinced "on hold" didn't get notification, but when you compare it to the declines that never reopen, it's really about the same. I've had some "on holds" (and now "needs more info" respond quite quickly and others not at all. So notifications is not the issue, I think. [00:56:20] Several of the arguments are very focused on the English language, how to speak or how to understand what the word means. [00:56:36] Community Noticeboard [00:56:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/Miraheze:Acronyms_and_Abbreviations [00:57:07] The word Wiki, Tide, or WikiTide? [00:57:38] Thanks!! [00:57:43] oh, mkay [00:58:31] And for further clarification, "Community Noticeboard" is the old name for "Community Portal" [00:59:20] Well a large part of the English speaking community is also heavily disagreeing with those arguments [00:59:29] Yep, abbr guide needs an update [01:01:28] This is great feedback, and a facet I hadn't personally considered. Admittedly Miraheze as a name isn't much better in this domain. [01:01:59] Heh, something delightfully ironic, in you using an abbreviation to refer to that guide 😄 [01:02:51] [1/2] "C: Miraheze's unpronounceable name" "The word doesn't stick in your mind, because it's something you can't understand on first hearing. You may not even be able to decide how to pronounce it[" etc. For a Spanish speaker, the proposed brand name would not stick either, I always forget the names of several websites that are in English even if they are "popular" for the English com [01:02:52] [2/2] munity. [01:03:36] I don't know if you understand me [01:05:29] [1/2] @hispano76, I believe I understand, yes. I'll be thinking further on it. [01:05:29] [2/2] If you have your own suggestions on how we could close that gap for the non-english community, don't hesitate to share them either here or on the RfF [01:08:25] [1/3] tbf a LOT of the points of the rebrand in general does seem to focus on bringing in new people, and for that "demographic" english would be the majority language. [01:08:25] [2/3] Though personally I do find it actually charming with a name that have a bit of disagreement in pronunciation, and noone will be in doubt what you talk about regardless of how you pronounce Miraheze, and a nice conversation spark, and when it comes to online stuff, I would be considered in the english community for sure (even If I am natively Danish, but I don't think there are that [01:08:25] [3/3] many Danes here :P) [01:09:36] Also, the suggested logo for WikiTide is more forgettable, I didn't even remember what it looked like until I saw it on the community portal. Ironically, it is easier for me to remember national and subnational flags that I only saw on a few occasions. 🫠 [01:10:49] like that flag of a U.S. city that looks like a corporate logo of a painting... [01:11:10] That's something I'd like to revisit as well. The lovely community at AVID did a great job, but we now represent a much bigger community and what better time to revisit if we make a change then now? [01:12:03] The AVID folks made it? [01:12:09] yep [01:12:23] neat [01:12:57] but yeah I like the logo(not as much as ours) but theres room for improvment [01:13:54] We could hold another logo design contest and then a community vote for that I think. [01:13:59] I wonder if our logos are documented on somebody's logo wiki. 😄 [01:14:10] Legroom also mentioned "someone on Discord also pointed out the look of it can inwoke not very clean associations lol" but I don't know or want to know what [01:14:31] I think they are on some fandom logocwiki [01:14:56] The irony is comicly thick [01:15:06] That's ironic [02:10:50] ddos magically gone [02:10:57] :pupCoffeeMH: [02:11:50] CloudFlare moment [02:12:53] [1/2] For those who know [02:12:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231427406322208839/image0.gif?ex=6636eb24&is=66247624&hm=9561cce0bdbd0efabc68041b588c2f0ada556f02eec0106768040d6f432153c3& [02:13:10] The lava lamps are putting in triple shifts [02:14:21] [1/2] I changed the images name to default ones such as "Plants" "Regions" for my ecosystem simulation game and it seems like it's loading some stuff by default ahah [02:14:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231427777824030802/image.png?ex=6636eb7d&is=6624767d&hm=7a516e3cac4494588933e0f9c884621ec817cf06bad5f1d83268e90136570673& [02:14:22] I think I do [02:15:15] I don't mind it, yet if I upload a file with an exact same name like "Plants.png" in my wiki, will it load the correct one instead? [02:18:31] you probably have InstantCommons on [02:18:37] you can turn it off if you want [02:18:52] or just override the file [02:25:05] [1/2] um mirabeta seems broken [02:25:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231430479652196383/image.png?ex=6636ee01&is=66247901&hm=6653aa32d59c8f36ef2af0ee4d27941bf29191da6572336255db0984c613ea5e& [02:26:23] The wall of entropy (a cloudflare project) is the answer, for those who don't know why a wall of lava lamps is relevant [02:26:25] https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ssl/lava-lamp-encryption/ [02:27:41] @elliethepwincess thanks for the heads up on beta [02:27:52] I'll mention in the task [02:35:10] @elliethepwincess https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12062 [02:48:39] [1/2] tf is going on 1995 [02:48:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231436409991073813/image.png?ex=6636f387&is=66247e87&hm=ff776f7e682ef565f32f050aa06971a920a80d4897c333b5a62ba4cee4735149& [02:48:54] it looks like 1995 [02:49:35] Try Crtl+Shift+R? [02:55:29] thanks [02:55:54] wiki is slow [03:07:19] Hypercane left? [03:07:20] 😦 [03:08:50] oh dang [03:09:32] rip [03:09:51] i think they still on irc [03:09:56] Mega cane [03:26:46] @m3w @cosmicalpha @solodayheavenofficial We can continue here [03:27:03] I've personally said all I need to for the time being. [03:29:58] I am not entirely sure what else I want to say but I'll say anything if I think it's important [03:30:14] yes, aroace [new name] quit the wiki community overall. Hypoverse shutdown earlier this week without much warning nor was I [sysadmin] informed [03:31:09] move on from it, no need to comment [03:31:25] [1/2] I guess I should add that just given the nature of Miraheze being volunteer run and having to depend on donations and grants, there will always be some instability and conflict, I don't think there's any way to completely avoid controversy or disputes, but we should try to avoid them becoming serious enough to cause the kind of disrupt [03:31:25] [2/2] ion we have encountered [03:31:29] Alr [03:31:51] Wait it did? I was not aware of that. I hope everything is alright though. I won't further comment, but I do hope they are okay then... [03:46:54] [1/4] There's probably a number of issues but a good number have been mentioned previously... [03:46:54] [2/4] - a big one is having a separation between SRE and community roles, not having feet in both [03:46:54] [3/4] - sre adopting standard policies and procedures, this would include defining what is confidential [03:46:55] [4/4] - adopting common sense into policy and procedures [03:51:53] I have some plans for some more SRE policies when time permits... I've only recently finally made the SRE conduct policy, but I think defining what is confidential should just be common sense but I guess for procedural purposes it could make sense to document it. [03:54:11] [1/2] given that common sense isn't as common or being applied, having it in writing would be useful. known problem. [03:54:11] [2/2] if its not in writing, never happened thus no consequences. [03:54:44] I guess that makes sense [03:57:10] If common sense was common and respected I think Miraheze and really every online platform would be facing a lot less problems [03:57:50] there is one platform but it seems Tardis leaving _finally_ got their attention [03:58:34] I recall having drafted in past in DMs [04:00:38] [1/2] Btw could someone look into this please https://meta.mirabeta.org/ [04:00:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1231454523713785947/image.png?ex=66370465&is=66248f65&hm=5ef78436b4dc17b5dd17911a41d22f55a77a62b04f30e5421c62e91a40491b05& [04:00:42] Looks like MultiPurge was not installed correctly [04:03:01] @solodayheavenofficial known issue, see https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12062 :) [04:03:09] I know [04:03:20] I'm just asking if anyone (SRE) is online here who can fix it [04:03:23] well known to me and chat idk sre saw so [04:03:26] yeah fair [04:03:37] it just passed midnight for me i need to eep [04:03:41] gm [04:03:42] *gn [04:03:47] stay safe and have sweet dreams [04:04:13] not sure if any SRE are online right now [04:04:20] CosmicAlpha was [04:04:23] Oh he's back again [04:04:23] ah [04:04:24] im still eating ***"**dinner**"** lmao but yeah after this honk shoe honk [04:04:34] I'm online but can't fix right now. Maybe in a couple hours. [04:04:54] aight, its beta so take your sweet time :P [04:05:15] guys totally give me shell on beta ill fix everything and not destroy the whole server [04:05:36] Yeah if it was prod I'd be fixing but I have more pressing thing IRL and elsewhere so just can't fix beta right now. [04:05:38] \j [04:06:08] understandable [04:06:21] very [04:06:40] go do pressing IRL thing first. then bully funi wiki beta [04:07:30] Hm. sidenote what timezone is OrangeStar? [04:08:51] Ik Agent is clocked out at some 5 am OA is unfortunately a brit Reception is somewhere in urope [04:10:03] I'm not actually sure on OS time zone. [04:10:36] alr understood [04:11:09] Also when possible (it's okay if you can't now I don't mean to be patient) make me an account on mirabeta, I emailed sre@ and submitted the contact form but never got a response and it's been a few days so I just want to make sure the request was noticed [04:16:44] MacFan4000 tends to be the MVP with those [04:18:10] Actually, I aint sure bout UO's TZ either, if I recall mid/west US thou [04:19:06] wow #wikiforge-feed here IRC side is the most overflowing thing I've ever seen [04:20:08]