[00:52:20] TIL wakibot is built using rust [01:07:38] Caching is way too aggressive on-wiki right now [01:08:11] The log in and create account are cached and I have to add some random query parameters like ?aaaaaaa to be able to see myself as logged in [01:08:16] blame the consistent DDOS [01:08:33] Breaking the website is not a solution to DDoS attacks [01:08:56] well at the moment, CA is overwhelmed so going to have to temporarily accept this [01:08:56] I also do not think that this level of caching is needed for countering a DDoS anyway [01:09:44] Alr [01:09:57] Collei, if Miraheze is getting all the traffic expected in a month within seconds; there's really no alternative unless paying for cloudflare pro for even more advanced features. that is $20 at minimum [01:10:19] I thought login was excluded from cache [01:10:33] ah well [01:11:29] its unfortunate the aggressive caching at the time, please bear with the sre team [01:40:32] I am aware but I do not believe that the caching is the main anti-DDoS feature in Cloudflare [01:41:13] However, if caching is needed for anti-DDoS, I suppose that's still better than no website because people can still read the site at least [01:44:21] Caching is one of the very first things you do to prevent DDoS - me, someone certified in Computer Networking [01:44:39] the alternative is turning on the annoying captcha puzzles [01:44:50] No that would just annoy the humans [01:44:55] Ah ok [01:45:11] Nuh uh, I don't think the DDoS requires being able to submit any forms, just make requests to the server [01:45:37] Yes and no [01:45:59] It depends on the method, and how its handled [01:46:00] one can easily just start sending empty or malformed packets to an ip [01:46:26] No DDoS is created equally [01:46:50] if ddos keeps up, cleantalk might be something to actually consider [01:47:04] They can be as specifically targeted as they want or they just blindly attack a network [01:47:53] I believe that in this case they are specifically trying to target Miraheze [01:51:33] Not what I meant but ok [02:02:23] I work with MH wikis but sometimes I work with self-hosted [02:06:27] Sorry I don't know what you mean then [02:06:34] Was not a deliberate misinterpretation [02:08:53] self-hosting can be fun sometimes [02:12:07] While our cf solution still needs some tuning, it's still leagues better than the previous stopgap solution of shutting off an entire region [02:12:47] yeah I agree [02:20:00] [1/4] what zippix likely means is [02:20:00] [2/4] - specially targeted means its a particular protocol attack. [02:20:01] [3/4] > - this could be having a script generate random credentials as brute force to login [02:20:01] [4/4] > - packet flood attack [02:20:14] Kinda what I meant but not really [02:20:20] On the right track [02:20:29] not going to give examples [02:20:30] You went to specific [02:20:58] I meant quite literally you could attack specific machine, or entire network [02:21:07] ah ok [02:23:10] ⭕ [02:28:07] rust is so good [02:33:31] I'm probably missing what the issue is. I'm logged in and not having any trouble on wikis I frequent. [02:34:08] [1/2] Every home page shows me as logged out like this, even after reloading the page like the popup says the issue isn't fixed until adding a query parameter to the page [02:34:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233244694847164426/image.png?ex=662c641f&is=662b129f&hm=b75ba50ad3450d8dffc2c3db1e0303cb049d3095211822438fe8bd67676355b8& [02:35:54] Odd. I usually stay logged in unless I visit a new wiki. Then I often get logged out, but usually don't have any issues once I log back in. [02:36:57] Though, I guess I haven't really been through that since we went cloudflare. 😱 [02:37:32] Now I'm afraid to try. lol [02:37:43] Cloudflare is what broke it afaik [02:37:58] the central login message [02:38:04] always a nightmare for me on the test wiki [02:38:10] impossible to log in [02:38:43] the test wiki doesn't use cloudflare only miraheze.org wikis do, since it is on publictestwiki.com it doesn't. [02:40:20] [1/2] still doesn't like me trying to log in [02:40:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233246254637649982/image.png?ex=662c6593&is=662b1413&hm=ba8d6d460dface1ded5d1dee496643326b35191c4efb5d21928002af34cf4331& [02:40:26] but i can on a different browser [02:40:36] globally? [02:40:39] or just testwiki [02:40:43] specifically testwiki [02:40:53] i get logged out from other wikis too but it doesn't give me that error [02:43:13] hrm [02:46:56] should I auto-update [[Meta:RecentChanges/Requests]] with bot [02:46:56] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:RecentChanges/Requests [02:46:57]

[02:47:55] I think that would be useful [02:48:43] 200% [02:48:52] yes a 200 was supposed to be 100 but oh well [03:36:03] So regarding WikiForge, I hope it doesn't end up dying. [03:36:34] Its Discord server being deleted worries me, frankly. [03:36:55] i'm guessing Agent left every server he was in [03:37:05] and deleted the WikiForge server as he was the owner [03:37:07] omg [03:37:10] you mentioned my name [03:37:14] EVEry server [03:37:26] 👋:EVE: hows it goin [03:39:47] I believe it was an accident when Agent deleted his account. [03:39:57] beliEVE [03:39:58] i'm back again [03:40:16] he manually changed the name so it was definitely not accidental [03:40:42] Yeah, discord is very destructive-delete friendly, unfortunately, and deleting one's account nukes owned servers in the process. 😦 [03:40:45] That's the part that was a mistake [03:40:57] :done: [03:41:11] Don't think Agent would intentionally delete a server, feels like a very rage-quit thing to do which is not Agent's MO [03:41:28] [1/2] well this comes up if you own a server so [03:41:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233261640548352030/image.png?ex=662c73e8&is=662b2268&hm=dfebbdbf453276dc633dc18b798a4a269470750c881ddc4094657b1a61744bf6& [03:42:17] Won't speculate further, just saying that I don't believe Agent would do that. [03:42:30] beliEVE [03:48:43] I thought CA was owner...yikes [03:49:48] regardless of the server being gone, CA can create a replacement easy enough [04:50:00] Actually not really [04:50:17] You have to delete servers or transfer ownership to delete your account [04:50:39] If you get your account banned, then the servers won't be deleted unless they also break the rules [05:30:00] Wait, Agent deleted his account? [05:30:58] Whatever the reason may be, I wish them the best 🫡 [05:59:46] i finally knew how to edit the main page [06:01:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233296756394037248/Screenshot_20240426_135952_Chrome.jpg?ex=662c949c&is=662b431c&hm=967f0094cb26bd6796b830422a1650ba85ce389861a6aba3fd36925e5127ea95& [06:02:36] Like, to be clear, you can't just press a button and accidentally delete all your servers [06:02:41] You have to manually go to each one and press delete [06:02:51] And you have to do that as a prerequisite to deleting your account [06:05:42] Wasn't aware he deleted his account alongside leaving. He will be remembered [06:15:02] do we really need details on how discord account deletion works on a Meta page? [06:15:28] this whole thing is getting too much [06:17:30] You mean the Tali64 page? [06:17:41] It's kind of relevant to whether Agent's account is permanently gone or not [06:19:33] [1/3] idk why y'all make a big deal of it [06:19:33] [2/3] deleted, left, okay - why it matters how exactly? speculating on whether he'll come back? [06:19:33] [3/3] and server ownership problems are frankly outside of Miraheze scope [06:20:13] Idk [06:20:17] Just curiosity I guess [06:23:05] Agents account is not permanently deleted but it will be in 2 weeks. [06:23:16] That solves that problem [06:23:26] so I don't think it is necessary myself [06:23:43] It's a very simple question tbh [07:41:19] https://tenor.com/view/we-literally-need-more-dudes-need-more-people-more-guests-need-more-folks-killin-it-podcast-gif-14538831 [07:44:54] i assume the answer has to be yes, but can you link to a file as just a link without inserting the file into the page itself? [07:45:30] oh there's a mediawiki help page on it :trout: [07:45:49] [[Media:Filename.ext]] ? [07:45:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Media:Filename.ext [07:45:51]

[07:46:08] [1/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linking_to_files [07:46:08] [2/2] this one actually [07:46:23] there's a setting for that [07:46:49] or [[:File:Filename.ext]] [07:46:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:File:Filename.ext [07:46:50]

[07:46:52] Isn't it `[[:File:name]]` [07:46:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:File:name [07:46:54] yeah [07:47:06] yea [07:48:02] I need to reread some of the docs on Wikitext I don't use it as much anymore, sticking to backend stuff but I should brush up on it a bit lol [07:52:44] Yeah. Same thing works for categories as well [08:21:11] wikirequests seem to be backed up like 3 days [08:33:29] collei is correct in that this is not possible to do by accident [08:33:36] and there are signs other servers were handed off [09:11:49] Agent told me he meant to transfer it to me [09:13:31] Transfer or delete and it follows the same confirmation so it may be possible to click the wrong button. But idk if it was or not for sure. Giving the benefit of the doubt here and trusting Agent... [09:18:33] well unless he left a backdoor for contact I'm afraid face value is all we have to go on [09:19:20] personally think deletion of any server, accident or not is quite fucked [09:20:11] unless of course very small or well organized in advance, I still don't get how such a decision can be an accident considering it takes a fair few buttons and a bit of looking to bin my test servers [09:21:17] idk like I said I rather not assume bad intent and give the benefit of the doubt here. [09:21:50] well I liked him so I will drop the thought [09:23:14] We're a bit swamped. But we do our best. Patience is a virtue. [09:24:12] apologies for not nibbling out a bit this morning, just no good windows for it right now [09:24:54] I think it is with all boxes when you make an action: Are you sure? Not reading, just pressing OK. [09:25:25] I don't see Isai making such decission to spite the community. [09:26:04] fellas [09:26:55] currently visual editor is very slow [09:27:25] abolish visual editor [09:27:41] What is the donor role reserved for? I donated 5€ a few months ago [09:28:18] it's applied manually iirc [09:28:53] How do I get it then? [09:29:19] If you DM me a screenshot (even if redacted) or some proof of this I can add now. [09:29:54] I probably have the PayPal transaction saved, I'll check when I get home [09:32:24] using source editor and trying to format everything cleanly while other users mostly use visual is pain [09:32:55] Now that I think about it... Maybe we should [09:33:56] +1 [09:37:49] I mostly use source editor, but I use visual editor when create wikitable [09:38:30] wikitext isn't harder than markdown [09:38:39] unless template codinh [10:35:23] any PI users by desktop rn? does visual builder loads for you? [10:37:49] something is breaking on mobile [10:38:01] images aren't loading on mobile [10:39:54] the page loaded, texts show up but i don't see any image [10:44:14] [1/2] hmmm, someone is saying they only see file name [10:44:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233368035385933884/image.png?ex=662cd6fe&is=662b857e&hm=00d6257b14416581b27eac55d65705ac62e3db0a36123c17061e569e76ba3bcc& [10:44:43] cf moment I guess [10:48:27] hmmmm, it's normal that it affects mobile only? [10:48:32] seems fine on pc [11:15:32] link? [11:25:52] [1/3] ok, I got logged out and had community portal opened in another tab [11:25:52] [2/3] when I got back there, it was in mobile mode (cus logout), but it was outdated by 5 days [11:25:52] [3/3] (also I cleaned browser's entire cache/cookies yesterday) [11:26:10] *on mobile [11:37:15] Visual builder or Infobox builder ? [11:52:08] Portable Infoboxbuilder [12:01:27] Dunno if it is still relevant or not? But loads fine for me (Opera GX browser). [12:08:30] Special:InfoboxBuilder [12:09:00] there's report of it not loading on one wiki, no matter which browser or even device [12:09:25] along w/ earlier report of VE being slow, maybe something is going on [12:35:11] works fine for me [12:43:44] [1/2] here [12:43:44] [2/2] https://cravesaga.miraheze.org/wiki/Crave_Saga_Wiki [12:43:45] images aren't showing up on most pages if you use mobile [12:44:22] images do show up on few pages [13:12:58] are you in touch with him? [13:13:02] or is he just gone [13:13:26] we are Freaking the Frick out without him [13:13:29] i trusted bro ... [13:16:12] @brandon.wm I have a few questions related to your comment on the Forged by Fire Wiki request. Where would be best to ask them? Is the request itself an appropriate place for that conversation? [13:16:39] (Also apologies if this isn't an appropriate channel for this, I can remove it if so.) [13:29:29] Please leave your reply on the request itself. [13:31:36] Sounds good, thank you. [14:09:41] [1/2] I seem unable to recreate your problem on my browser's mobile inspector. I do notice a heavy loading time. [14:09:41] [2/2] But maybe others want to chip in? [14:18:32] I wonder will supression remove the name in Special:BlockList? [14:24:54] [1/2] did it finish loading for you or just looking empty like this? [14:24:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1233423564535894158/image.png?ex=662d0ab5&is=662bb935&hm=c48a5f163e0dd5914df3d3b6ef0ee5ada1aa9cc05862f0df95ec3a9cea30cf11& [14:26:47]