<default>{{PAGENAME}}/default/title<image source="Flag"/><image source="Map"/><header>Information/header<data source="motto"><label>Motto/label/data<data source="dem"><label>Demonym/label/data<data source="capital"><label>Capital/label/data<data source="largest_city"><label>Largest City/label/data<header>Government Data/header<data source="g [03:44:36] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME [03:44:36] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [2/2] overnment"><label>Government/label/data<data source="leader"><label>Leader/label/data<header>Historical Data/header<data source="founder"><label>Founded/label/data<data source="founded"><label>Founder/label/data/infobox``` [03:44:42] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> this is my template [03:44:50] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> now how do I add the documented parameters [04:28:19] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> visual editor requires additional coding w/ TemplateData extension [04:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] my blunt advice - use source editor [04:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] wiki text isn't hard to learn and lets you to understand how the page is actually structured [04:29:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/5] how templates are used in source editor: [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/5] `{{template name here [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/5] |parameter name = parameter value [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/5] ... [04:29:56] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/5] }}` [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/4] so [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/4] `|title = Portugal [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/4] |flag = Portugal Flag.png` [04:30:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/4] and so on [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/6] some help on wiki text here [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/6] [[mw:Help:Formatting]] [04:35:39] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/6] [[mw:Help:Links]] [04:35:39] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/6] [[mw:Help:Images]] [04:35:40] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/6] and [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [6/6] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [04:35:40] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting> [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links> [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> [04:35:46] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [4/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates> [05:06:08] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> @notaracham for your information, you have been blocked on Nonciclopedia for 42 days, with the reason "legal threats - go fuck yourself". Wedhro is the one who blocked you. I think this is unacceptable, you should remove his admin and bureaucrat rights [05:06:09] <MirahezeRelay> <Dyno#3861> @ejacu23_42059 Watch your language. [05:06:25] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240168387750002718/Screenshot_20240515_070427.jpg?ex=66459450&is=664442d0&hm=0745c951d1d42c127857952f6a1cfc1b9280690fb55d120abd35e7d68a48bcd4& [05:06:59] <MirahezeRelay> <brandon.wm> This would be better served in #cvt [05:07:29] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> ok, I'll move there [05:19:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Please help, my wiki is still having the editing problem reported before [05:36:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Looks like the issue happens when there are too many characters in the Summary field on submission [05:36:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I tried to include less info and submission can be passed over to the system [05:56:39] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> unless i'm mistaken, there's a character limit set by the database system - max for a text field is like 255 characters [05:58:39] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> What is the error? [06:29:11] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> The one already pasted on the issue tracking system, with only the differences of hexdecimal code [06:29:38] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Which ticket [06:29:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to m3w> Thanks for telling me, but why the webpage allows to submit edits? [06:30:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> I no longer having that URL [06:30:26] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> What is your username on the tracker then [06:30:40] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to m3w> That's not a reason for an exception [06:30:46] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or if it is, it's a big [06:31:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I believe this is a bug [06:32:34] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Is it https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12125 ? [06:32:41] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The webpage posted data which exceeds the allowance, which caused an error [06:32:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Let me check [06:34:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Yes, correct [06:35:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> @MediaWiki Specialists: can you check graylog? [06:35:21] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or @evalprime given you're around [07:08:58] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> It seems to be `Data too long for column 'mod_comment' at row 1` [07:12:00] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha> @li.ao ^ [07:35:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to cosmicalpha> Thank you for the information I later reduced the length of comments and it can be saved [07:57:43] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to cosmicalpha> Thanks [07:57:47] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> What's mod_ from [07:58:19] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Moderation [07:59:04] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> @edwardspec why can't that be a blob? [07:59:14] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or at least catch properly [07:59:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Thats 257 times bigger [08:37:33] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec> I'll have it truncated [08:38:09] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec> last time I checked, MediaWiki was supposed to truncate it when the form is submitted, before MultiContentSave is even called... [09:07:41] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to edwardspec> Thanks [09:07:56] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to edwardspec> I remember this being the case as well... [09:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> [1/2] Why am I getting this error? :ThinkerMH: [09:14:02] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240230695708786749/image.png?ex=6645ce58&is=66447cd8&hm=5fc7be954ef064f18af7dafb6a5c881b43bd6086a0967790f9b081e753eef390& [09:18:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Instead, today I found the Center log in system worked on my wiki domain [09:18:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> 🤣 [09:20:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Like if this is for the form field of the comment message to be sent for moderation [09:25:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to justleafy2003> Please just refresh [09:26:49] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003, replying to rodejong> nothing changed [09:27:32] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Delete cookies and cache [09:29:48] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> ok now it worked thx [10:02:21] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec, replying to rhinosf1> done, covered by tests https://github.com/edwardspec/mediawiki-moderation/commit/088c43a2652e9bf6a1420ac042afb4a7c3e86b69 [10:56:45] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to edwardspec> @MediaWiki Specialists can you update [10:57:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> It'll be fixed soon. With thanks to @edwardspec for being really fast. [10:57:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [1/2] Hey, there. It's nothing at all, and not a problem in itself, but is there any way to refresh the special page “Wanted pages”? It actually refreshes itself every three days from what I understand, but in that time between refreshes, I've got at least fifty pages that still appear in the list, even though they no longer exist because I've done a bit of cleanup. Thanks in advance [10:57:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [2/2] . [11:08:59] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Try purging the deleted pages? Sometimes the database needs a kick. [11:09:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> how can you purge deleted pages? [11:09:41] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> add `?action=purge` behind the websites url [11:09:44] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> you meant created? [11:12:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Do I have to do this on every page? There are at least fifty of them [11:12:25] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> That's my question, yes [11:12:32] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Just try one first, and see if it has effect [11:13:01] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> I wouldn't know how to kick the database another way [11:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> ngl I was surprised to see that special pages were up to date immediately when I moved to Miraheze [11:14:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Doesn't work [11:14:14] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> hmmm [11:14:24] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on Wikia/Fandom it was a day or two always [11:14:36] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> now same thing here [11:15:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> At worst, it's not a question of crucial importance, it's simply a way of speeding up the process and making cleanup easier [11:15:51] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> don't new page appear like normal links or striked? [11:16:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on wamtedpages [11:16:46] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Some appear like the others, very few are scratched [11:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240261783000711178/Glad.PNG?ex=6645eb4c&is=664499cc&hm=ea35959f87cf3a3b823cb545aef8ab85f2ea918c48b307344e930a3304573d8b& [11:17:36] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Like this, I guess [11:19:20] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [1/2] In fact, scratched pages are pages that still exist. [11:19:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [2/2] I don't know why they're like that. [11:19:45] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I don't know if that was the point of the questio [11:20:30] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> that's what I meant by striked yeah [11:21:49] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Okay, but crossed-out pages are pages that exist and haven't been deleted. I'm not sure why they're like that [11:22:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> wait [11:22:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> They're not even redirects [11:23:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] wanted pages is a list of red links, i.e. links to non-existent pages [11:23:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] if you create such pages, it's disappears from the list or gets crossed out [11:23:34] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> but you are deleting pages? [11:23:35] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> @originalauthority Can you way in to this problem? (Sorry if I pinged you for nothing) [11:23:50] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yes, a lot [11:24:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> But these pages still appear in the list [11:24:20] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> of course they will [11:24:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> there are red links left [11:24:47] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on other places of the wiki [11:24:50] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Yes, except that these pages are not linked to anything [11:25:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] but it says 26 links? [11:25:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] when you click on that, does it shows list of linking pages or it's empty? [11:25:47] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I'm curious what that scratch is about, I'm not familiar with it [11:25:52] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> more recent mediawiki behavior? [11:26:23] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Empty [11:26:26] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ms._Marvel_(s%C3%A9rie_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9e) [11:26:39] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Not linked to anything here [11:26:42] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> And still appear [11:26:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to raidarr> [1/2] no, been a thing on Wikia too [11:26:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to raidarr> [2/2] if a page listed in Special:WantedPages is created, it gets crossed out, anc then just gets removed from the list whenever cache is updated [11:26:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Apears where? [11:27:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> In the Wanted Pages list [11:27:25] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> While it should disappear [11:27:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> well, cache is the only thing I can attribute this behaviour to [11:27:38] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Know that [11:27:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> And it refreshes every three days [11:28:11] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I wanted to know if I could clear the cache myself [11:28:36] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> To get rid of all the not-linked pages in the list [11:28:38] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I see [11:28:48] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> yeah, cache on miraheze can be weird, very slow and ill behaved [11:28:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't see a problem if cross out works as temporary measure before cache update [11:29:18] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> but that behaviour wasn't here always [11:29:18] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it doesn't clear out after a week (iirc?) that's when it might be more stalled than usual [11:29:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Except that it even doesn't scratch the pages [11:29:37] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> special pages used to be quick on update [11:30:00] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> miser mode I suppose [11:30:44] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> After that, it's not a big deal, it's just that three days is a long time, and having so many stray pages disturbs my priorities [11:31:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I can't sort out which pages should be created and which shouldn't be there [11:32:33] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I don't know if it's a technical problem and if I should mention it on Issue Tracker [11:36:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> less than a week and tbh I don't think it would be worth it, sluggish updating of cache under a week is unfortunately a weakness of the platform [11:37:36] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it does drag on it may be more worthwhile but still something that at best would be possible with a member of sre wanting a break from more advanced tasks and just blowing it out on a whim [11:39:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to raidarr> All right. After that, a week's delay is exaggerated, it's more like three days (at least for me). That means it should be updated, for me, tomorrow. [11:39:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> In any case, thanks to those who helped me [11:39:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> The Sidebar Updates only once a week. [11:40:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> What do you mean by "Sidebar"? [11:40:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240267641860657252/image.png?ex=6645f0c0&is=66449f40&hm=02da3efecd49bc15becbb12e5ae53557c90370d2dba14472f0a46f2d443d9088& [11:41:11] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> MediaWiki:Sidebar [11:41:17] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> For me, it's instantaneous. [11:41:18] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> You can modify it there [11:41:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> 😮 [11:41:37] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Then you were lucky I guess [11:41:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> it's virtually always instant for me [11:42:26] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> mediawiki space pages can take time to update properly but that seems to have been reduced significantly especially after the upgrades [11:42:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't understand sidebar weekly update thing, never had a problem w/ it [11:42:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> I changed it three times, and had to wait almost a week [11:42:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Oh okay [11:42:48] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I'd look at local cache in that case [11:43:03] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> also believable under cloudflare while logged out but that behavior seems to have improved too [11:44:02] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I will make a test [11:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> When I started my wiki, I had to wait long times to see the change on my account. Logged out I could see it immediatelly [11:44:13] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] miser mode was enabled after wikitide merge and the first thing I noticed is like of "hide redirects" on Special:AllPages [11:44:13] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] I can't remember if Special:WantedPages sluggishness started the same time or w/ CF switch [11:44:31] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I think it was before CF for sure [11:44:39] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> and I recall there always being cache shenanigans in that space [11:44:58] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> not before merger then [11:44:58] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> January [11:45:00] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> beyond special pages, occasional quirks for other lists and categories as well [11:45:05] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240268718005551164/1.PNG?ex=6645f1c1&is=6644a041&hm=da5354fdd20ec6ea2cbf65b14fedd7cd420cf22d570deb16b85f328463f53cde& [11:45:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240268744362561587/Capture2.PNG?ex=6645f1c7&is=6644a047&hm=1aeb83fd37842715bd10d88dbb795dc85668e625a84e89c0c40726338de5b768& [11:45:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> okay [11:45:37] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> you convinced me 😄 [11:46:16] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _vanish cach_ [11:46:24] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _update new info_ [11:46:35] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _update successful_ [11:47:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> At least something that works pretty well :EpicFaceMH: [11:47:12] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Whahahaha [11:49:16] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Oh, I wrote in French, good old habits! [11:49:31] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I hadn't even noticed [12:06:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> That happens sometimes for me too. [12:06:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> (Not French though [12:06:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> But Dutch or Danish, yeah. Especially if a program in the background is running and I am listening to that. [12:09:29] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Danish or german, then? [12:14:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> not German, Dutch [12:16:00] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> [1/2] Dutch is spoken in The Netherlands and Flanders in Belgium. [12:16:00] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> [2/2] Deutsch or German is spoken in Germany. [12:19:12] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> fellas, is there a way to hide page titles beside CSS and [[mw:Extension:NoTitle]] magic word? [12:19:12] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle [12:19:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle> [12:19:41] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> They're the only two ways I know of [12:19:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if not, I suppose CSS would be more convenient [12:20:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> hmm [12:20:51] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> css is the most convenient that I know of [12:21:29] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I got confused with the term “deutsch” [12:21:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Sorry [12:25:52] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rodejong> The scratch isn't MediaWiki behaviour. I think thats a custom script? They'll still appear in the list because MediaWiki still thinks they are wanted pages. It won't know until it updates the page that they're no longer Wanted Pages. [12:26:21] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I used a similar script on Fandom. [12:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy> Is there a way to change the contents of a main menu? [12:53:34] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to tunityguy> What main menu? [12:54:27] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240286173591765103/image.png?ex=66460203&is=6644b083&hm=1b281237d97a31cda8f5a24836d010c87379c0ad082910158669ff7e30e249fe& [12:54:37] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy, replying to jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240286214993612841/image.png?ex=6646020d&is=6644b08d&hm=c48a65325600175d5557fac1bb15b9a05b1e5fea30460f523613c4db688888cc& [12:54:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> MediaWiki:Sidebar [12:55:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Add to URL [12:55:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://[name of wiki].miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [13:10:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> It's nice. May I know the outcome? Will the database allow more characters to be inserted, or, to disallow further characters from entering from the webpage level? [13:34:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And also, how to purpose IP address exemption from global blocks? [13:46:45] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> you can inquire on the SR about a particular block if it is overzealous or incorrect [13:47:25] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it is a proxy block for example the argument would be that it is not in fact a proxy or some such, however blocks are made for a reason and either the reason must be incorrect or the block not the best way to go about the reason [13:50:35] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> If it's a matter of someone not being able to create an account due to having an IP address in a blocked range (pretty common if using a VPN), they can also email CVT@miraheze.org to get an account created on their behalf that should bypass the block. [13:50:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just wanted to be exempted on my own wiki, sorry I didn't mention it before [13:51:06] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Block should generally affect anonymous users only. [13:51:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> My case is I need to unblock IP addresses/ranges to enable guest edits on my wiki [13:52:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Ah, hmmm, I don't think there's an ability to override global blocks locally, but I'll take a look into that. [13:52:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Someone did this for me, unblocking my company WiFi IP address which was identified as Microsoft Azure open host [13:53:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> This means every time I need to unblock IPs I need to raise a request? [13:54:35] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> We generally don't block individual IPs, but ranges of IPs, at a global level. Ideally that isn't something that would need to be requested particularly often. [13:55:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I do think so, so I'm looking for a way to do self-service [13:56:06] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I'll raise this w/ technical teams to confirm, but I'm not confident that local administrators can circumvent global blocks. [13:57:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Thanks for the help. It reminded me of someone who helped me with it by self-promoting as administrator first [13:59:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Aha, found something that might work! [13:59:15] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist [13:59:41] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> This should allow you to locally override things found on Special:GlobalBlockList [14:00:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> You'll need Bureaucrat-level access, I believe, to add/remove items from this list. [14:06:00] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> I just switch back to this server let me see [14:09:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Yes I checked with the page from what I see this will work for this situation [14:09:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks very much for giving me this info [14:09:44] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Not a problem, I also just learned this page existed today. 😄 [14:09:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But why I didn't found it on the list of special pages [14:09:56] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Yes me too [14:10:41] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> It's listed as Local Status of Global Blocks (or localized equivalents [14:11:17] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks [14:11:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I tried unblocking a Windscribe VPN address it says the IP address I entered is not globally blocked [14:12:34] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> There actually is a way to do it by permissions or something [14:12:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So I'll need to unblock the whole IP range instead of individual addresses, this will be more dangerous as spammers may take use of those unblocked addresses [14:12:44] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I think you'll need to do it via the whole range, yes. [14:13:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This would be more dangerous, I hope someday unblocking individual IP addresses would be possible [14:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> You could attempt instating a narrower local range block once you know the safe IPs, but that's its own form of tricky. [14:14:51] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes so to mitigate the risk what I need to do is to narrow the range as much as possible🤣 [14:15:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> In the future may I become rich, so okay I can own a whole IP range and I just register my own ASN so it can be easily avoided [14:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> May we all one day be so successful as to have a 'operating our own /16' kind of money [14:18:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Oh it will be a cool thing [14:18:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But I'll not be catering many things at one time, I may start with like /24 satisfying my own needs [14:19:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But /16 is the minimun unit of signing contracts? [14:19:34] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For most IP providers [14:19:48] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to raidarr> Yep, found it at Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist [14:20:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> So records showing you blocked some IP ranges yesterday [14:20:56] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For a person blocking IPs on Miraheze, how come not to knowing about this thing that ever existed up until now? [14:21:45] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> blocking is easy [14:22:05] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> selectively unblocking on an individual wiki's basis, which is a doorway for abuse in practical effect is something rarely touched upon [14:22:32] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Yep, combine that with that we're an all-volunteer org and onboarding documents are sparse. [14:22:40] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But attempts of avoiding other users from suffering unnecessary IP blocks is way more difficult right?🤣 [14:22:43] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Until it comes up, it's not something that someone would necessary think to knowledge-transfer. [14:22:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Ohh [14:22:58] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> it was made necessary because proxies are the overwhelming vector for abuse [14:23:06] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> don't like it, blame the people who ruined it for all [14:24:10] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I've been active on MH and related projects for a few years now, and I can say earnestly this is the first time I've seen someone asking about local overrides of global blocks. [14:24:14] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> though I have not dealt with it myself I have seen instances as well where local unblock has been used to bypass global locks so realistically I see that feature as a threat and not so terribly useful [14:24:34] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> global blocks/locks I should say [14:24:35] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes for a community-driven service professionalism may not come at high rates compared to commercial companies, but yes it's ok since there are many people contributing to the service voluntarily [14:24:58] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> we're certainly open for refinements at any time, be it to simplify or expedite things [14:25:11] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> or equally effective measures with a less blunt impact [14:25:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes it's correct, my experience told me that getting a residential/broadband IP address is way more difficult than getting proxy IPs [14:25:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> From the time being I can only access residential IP addresses in China [14:27:53] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> This is what I'm concerning about, so I'm not going to unblock an entire IP range for the protection of the service. Despite I have moderation system spammers may submit many edit requests simultaneously at one time, resulting in high pressure being imposed on the servers [14:28:32] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you don't drop the guard completely and the vector is not exploited it's probably fine [14:28:52] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it is exploited repeatedly by a locked user we might need to send you a message [14:29:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I can try to adapt myself on balancing my privacy and server pressure, so I try to find residential/broadband IPs if I need to make edits [14:29:31] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I also wouldn't worry about submission of spam edits or whatever, that probably won't do anything at local level [14:29:49] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you personally need to make edits there should be no issue because logged in bypasses proxy block anyway [14:30:03] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> account creation should be the only point of inconvenience [14:30:13] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if a vpn block applies logged in, it was issued incorrectly [14:30:35] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Presumably spammers may know easily that their edits will be moderated, those requests may result in high server pressure, isn't it? [14:30:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> unless your wiki is top of the farm record traffic I doubt it would even be a blip [14:31:07] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> and in any case we have other antispam measures [14:31:12] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> especially with cloudflare operational [14:31:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Situation I'm facing is I will leave from my PC for a long time in the following months because of visa application. I'll move from my current city for visa appointment during which time I would only be able to use public computers [14:32:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Oh yes you have Cloudflare recently enabled [14:32:38] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to raidarr> Hurrah for that, I know CP41-served users are still seeing pretty slow speeds, but it sure beats the DDoSers managing to take down an entire georegion. [14:32:44] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr, replying to li.ao> is the issue that you don't trust your credentials on public computers? [14:33:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The reason I won't use traceable IP addresses is, Chinese police may easily identify who was making a particular edit at a particular time [14:33:16] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> perhaps you could have a relatively low trust public account used only for editing while away until able to log in with a more trusted environment [14:33:37] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So maybe today I use IPs from Zhejiang, and the next day I will use Guangdong's🤣 [14:33:54] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes exactlt [14:33:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> exactly* [14:34:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Sorry keys on my keyboard are hard to be pressed [14:34:19] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I'll trust that they've thought this through given local experience. Sorry that you've got to have that consideration in mind, thanks for bearing with us. [14:34:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This is why I recently enabled certificate-based login for my main email account [14:35:00] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you're able to grab a phone and use authy, aegis or something you might then be able to 2fa secure it so a password compromise is not the end on said public account [14:35:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> In China ISPs just use this way to trace people [14:35:04] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> annoying but safer [14:35:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And since many Chinese people use app-based services they directly position their cell phones for local-based services [14:35:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Rather than measuring from IP address [14:36:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes. I may be escaped from doing repeative things, finding an IP address then entering into the proxy app, then turning it on to make effects [14:36:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> *In the future if I may move out [14:36:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like in Europe telecommunications legislation provide strong protection against the thing Chinese police do on daily basis [14:37:20] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> yeah what china does is off the wall bonkers, I do not envy it [14:37:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So anyway it's hard to say🤣 [14:38:59] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just found out that unblocking IP ranges individually isn't practical because I need to try finding out a particular block a blocked address belongs to [14:39:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But if I get proxy IPs when I'm out of reach of my personal computers, it's almost impossible to make exemptions because of uncertainty, I can't predict which address I will get [14:41:21] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Yup. Not sure of a clean way to do this programattically. 😦 [14:41:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> May I request for completely removing IP blocks from my wiki, since there are another means of ways to protect the server from abuse? [14:41:53] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Will ask around, but that creates a much bigger risk vector [14:42:01] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Oh it will be a huge project and I need to make sure my servers will be reachable remotely to do this😂 [14:42:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> If this can't be made possible I can try adapting myself with more attentive measures [14:42:49] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> If the block is a range block, it will never be possible to unblock individual IPs from within the range because MediaWiki doesn't insert every ip in a range into the block table [14:42:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like keeping myself out of people's eyesight physically [14:43:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> Yes this is why I found unblocking addresses as well as IP ranges involves in first finding out which block is currently applying on [14:44:42] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> But why doesn't it use rule-based setting to dictate which address or IP range should be allowed? [14:45:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For example for most firewalls you can allow a certain IP range while blocking one of them individually, the firewall will use rule-based control to dictate if the address will be allowed [14:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> That defeats the purpose of using a range. [14:48:44] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> If you know which ip in a range you want to whitelist, you'd block either side of that IP. [14:49:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like if this design is intended to make unblocking individual addresses difficult? [14:49:42] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes but sometimes local exemptions do required, for example for my case [14:50:16] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And global admins may not know if a particular IP address may be in use for legitimate purposes [14:53:00] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> The extension was designed probably with the thought that whoever made the global block would just amend it to whitelist an IP. [14:53:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This could probably be the exact reason. So, wiki farm support is natively supported by MediaWiki? [14:54:18] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I assume if Miraheze's architecture is from their own design [14:55:57] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> No [14:56:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Oh okay [14:56:24] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> There have been efforts recently to move towards better support (such as wgConf) but not much [14:56:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This is with my expectations [14:56:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Things are about to get a bit worse if wgConf is depreciated [14:56:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So Miraheze made a prefect move [14:57:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> So, do you know what other wiki farm platforms like ShoutWiki and FANDOM are using to provide cross wiki support? [14:57:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Are they using their own design [14:58:45] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> ShoutWiki uses its own design but its broken afaik, Fandom uses its own design but it is a bit worse than Miraheze's and is similar to what can be seen in their legacy GitHub repo [14:59:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks for extending my knowledge [14:59:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Compared to wiki farms I've seen so far Miraheze is the best solution [15:09:57] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> You can look at the commit - https://github.com/edwardspec/mediawiki-moderation/commit/088c43a2652e9bf6a1420ac042afb4a7c3e86b69. Moderation won't hold more than 255 charecters so it'll truncate it. [15:10:10] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to notaracham> There is [15:10:17] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Thanks for letting me know I'll check with it later [15:11:02] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to rhinosf1> Yep, already addressed, will cross out to prevent further confusion [15:11:23] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Cool [15:11:26] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I would sooner look at 2fa + 'safe account' over making the wiki a beacon for evasion [15:11:28] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> I was scrolled up a lot [15:13:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just checked with it, nice my findings went into a source commit!🤣 [15:13:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Thanks for making convenience for me but I'm ok if you just give me the commit link [15:14:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Like what a "safe account" is about? [15:25:23] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to raidarr> [1/2] By law, all in China have a social credit score and disobeying the CCP results in severe consequences. Not registering a phone to your name means no access to many basic services. [15:25:24] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to raidarr> [2/2] Li is trying to circumvent via proxy but a lot of malicious activity originates from China, Russia, North Korea, various eastern European countries [15:26:40] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to rhinosf1> Basically what I said earlier, this is effectively the database constraint [15:27:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to m3w> That truncates it to the constraints [15:27:52] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I admit that China is the major source of online attacks across the globe [15:27:56] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It was a bug to not handle it in anyway [15:28:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So it's reasonable to set up restrictions on these origniating countries [15:28:16] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> China is our largest source of blocked traffic by cloudflare [15:28:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Although it all comes from 2 IPs [15:28:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> This is considerable, sorry I didn't read that before [15:29:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> I wonder which two🤣 An attacker may use tens to thousands of addresses from China [15:30:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> It's not a difficult thing, especially for getting IPv6 addresses, for governments just like getting millions of phone numbers in there, despite cell phone subscribers are estimated to be over 1.4bln [15:31:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And just to clarify, I have Chinese phone numbers but I don't use it to get services which will tier with my real identity to ensure privacy protections [15:31:33] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just keep them and sometimes provide to others to receive SMS codes [15:31:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Ah good old communism [15:31:53] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like recently, I lend my numbers to a Vietnamese guy for him to sign up for Chinese apps [15:32:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> Unfortunately, communism is a long history in there [15:32:28] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> We can't disclose. They have been blocked though. [15:32:58] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For the CCP, for decades; for communism values from traditional Chinese culture, for thousands of years [15:33:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> *communism ideology [15:33:18] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Okay it's ok [15:33:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But fortunately I've collected money from family and will soon start my visa application [15:42:45] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Wishing you success [15:43:00] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thank you for your kind words [15:43:37] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I've told my parents if my visa application got refused I will make repeative applications until I get admitted, or I may move to another visa-free country [15:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> By the end of this year, I must leave from China [15:51:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> careful w/ public discussions [15:52:11] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thank you, I've already taking this into consideration. [15:53:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> People will most likely get warned by police if they're found showing opposition to the Chinese government or CCP, but I didn't receive any these notices so far [15:58:22] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> Ah to be in the land of the free [15:58:31] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> (Let me know if you ever find it, that is) [15:58:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> GitHub is even partically blocked in China, sometimes they Chinese ISPs admit you with success connection sometimes they just terminate them without giving notice [15:59:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> I think I've already found out a place virtually online which can be considered as free land [16:00:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Of course I oppose to the Chinese government and I expressed my opinion just like Western people expressing their ideas [16:00:09] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I very much wish you luck in finding a more tolerant place [16:00:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And yes I haven't been caught for even a single time. [16:01:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> I respect Western values so my ideal place is Europe, or later if I'm well educated with knowledge, the USA which is my best country [16:01:30] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> depends where in the us tbh [16:01:40] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> but it does sound like most places would be better than nothing [16:01:50] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes US is a challenging place it depends on which state you are [16:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes [16:02:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> At least they give me valuable things where I can't have in China [16:02:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Living in there I have nothing to be expected, except for moving out [16:02:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And of course, nothing to expect as well [16:03:59] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The Tor bridge I use is still blocked by my ISP [16:04:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> 😂 [16:04:58] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Aren't you taking risks just chatting here? [16:05:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to jeanboulanger> If you use a Chinese phone with a registered SIM card in your name and showing express on that phone that you oppose to the government, and in Chinese, definitely sure it's risky [16:06:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> chec DMs [16:06:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But I make no traceable records from identity tied to my identity in the forms of cell phone an [16:06:14] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Okay [16:06:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I'll check for now [16:06:42] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Good, be careful [16:10:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks for the careness [16:28:44] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to jeanboulanger> I don't think the government cares enough to do anything about discord tbh. [16:29:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Like everyone uses VPN nowadays and discord is more like a gray zone rather than being explicitly illegal. [16:29:26] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to yvirc> I think you underestimate the CCP [16:29:33] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I mean I am from China [16:29:35] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> (anyway, this is very #offtopic so let's move there) [16:29:40] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Yep lol [16:32:05] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Tor browser comes with the bridge installed. What you have to do is enable bridge mode and then use Tor. [16:33:26] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> I didn't use their built-in ones and I requested from their website [16:33:52] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Because I believe bridges come with the browser may be easily blocked by ISPs [16:34:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I mean I've been using it for 4 years now [16:34:25] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Certain bridge/vpns are virtually impervious to blocking [16:34:27] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Which may also make me volunerable as I will make explicit connections to servers exposed in the browser [16:34:32] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> For example astrill. [16:34:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Are you using Tor with a blocked Internet? [16:34:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like what I'm doing, in China with China Mobile [16:34:57] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Well I'm also from China lol [16:35:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> You from China? [16:35:10] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> 我当然是中国人。 [16:35:11] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2024-02-15&end=2024-05-15&country=cn Snowflake seems to be more popular in China than obfs4 (which is likely what you're using rn) [16:35:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Unbelievable your English shows to me you're at least living in a Western country [16:35:30] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> if you can use snowflake it might be worth giving it a try [16:35:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Ohh okay [16:35:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But you now living in China? [16:35:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Well I am living in the US but I spend significant time back home. [16:35:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to bluemoon0332> I'm using obfs4 right now [16:35:55] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332, replying to li.ao> try snowflake then [16:36:03] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> seems to work better there [16:36:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> So at least you have background on living in Western country [16:36:05] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> Orbot was quite good during hardest block wave in Russia [16:36:16] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I spent all my life in China so far [16:36:19] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I would recommend astrill since that's what I use (so far 3 years worth of 99.9% uptime) but definitely on the expensive side. [16:36:36] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> 其实，美国也就这个样子。 [16:36:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> If there will be costs, I won't consider it [16:36:48] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> 生活照样进行xd [16:36:57] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Then it would be quite difficult. [16:36:58] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> The US is way more nice than China [16:37:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I admit life in the US is somehow challenging [16:37:18] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> okay now where do i put this [16:37:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But the point is, they give you the opportunity to develop, to advance your skills [16:37:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> To make progresses [16:37:41] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The Chinese government however doesn't [16:38:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Eh idk and tbf I don't wanna talk about politics [16:38:24] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> How difficult is it to get a visa for US or Europe actually? Being a European I'm actually not sure about how it works in practice [16:38:42] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> when you are using infobox template you've made on a normal page, switch to source editor and type the code the way I showed in example [16:38:54] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to reception123> Moderately easy but you need ~70k USD in your bank account to prove that you are not going to overstay [16:39:15] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to yvirc> Wow, 70k?! [16:39:25] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Somewhere around that. [16:39:29] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Or 50k? [16:39:30] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> though I mean I wouldn't take that as a guarantee of not overstaying heh, it's not necessarily about the money [16:39:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I worked w/ visas in 2017, same shit - need loads of money [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [1/3] 美国是我最喜欢的国家，它给了我发展我梦想中产业的可能性，因此我非常喜欢这个国家。 [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [2/3] Since this is an English channel, so translation below: [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [3/3] The US is my favorite country, which gave me the possibilities of developing my career in the field of the industry I'm dreaming about. This is why I love it so much. [16:39:47] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] on the template page? [16:39:47] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240342878774104074/image.png?ex=664636d2&is=6644e552&hm=7cd08f8996e3b09057c84195e518565ecbb6e4547406a2cd3d0c4e8b5405ec7c& [16:40:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> I plan to move to Europe and they require only blocked funds covering my entire stay [16:40:30] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> I wouldn't discount the EU as an option but one can't deny that the US does have a lot of advantages too [16:40:42] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> What I used to do is get a bandwagon VPS. Search up their website and you can deploy a SSR client for yourself [16:40:43] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to li.ao> what country? [16:40:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For example for 1 year, 10k euros [16:40:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to reception123> Germany, my plan [16:41:07] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> It gets blocked if multiple people use it but if it's for personal use then it will be fine. [16:41:08] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [1/2] no, normal page [16:41:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [2/2] if you want to make a boilerplate (example code which you can copy and fill up on normal pages like fields in a card), you need to write that code inside `<noinclude>.../noinclude` tags, after infobox code [16:41:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Oh like other Chinese people you use SSR🤣 [16:41:40] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> What industry are you thinking about (?) just curious [16:41:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Not anymore [16:41:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I use a combination of different types of technologies on different kinds of devices [16:41:49] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Shits old news [16:42:03] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Windows, Android, Linux, or router OS (despite they all run on PC) [16:42:19] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Electronics manufacturing and IT, and software engineering [16:42:27] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Ohh okay [16:42:37] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] so how would putting it on a normal page, for example my example page add these things [16:42:37] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240343592078151760/image.png?ex=6646377c&is=6644e5fc&hm=e2cbc44c80e2202dc89c66da8f8d04e2d4b59985055a50a095a541ab037e1053& [16:42:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So you can tell me where you're origniated? [16:42:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I'm from Jiangsu Province [16:42:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Oh I guess for CS/engineering related fields then yeah US pays a lot more lol [16:43:03] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I move around quite a bit. [16:43:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes CS is at top priority in the US [16:43:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Until now I still living in Jiangsu there🤣 [16:43:35] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Tbf working for FAANG-equivalent companies in China pays essentially the same in terms of purchasing power. [16:43:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But changes in my city show up indications that I must move away from there [16:43:54] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> ~700k rmb for Huawei etc. [16:43:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> FAANG?? What's this [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [1/4] I showed in first messages [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [2/4] - switch to source editor [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [3/4] - type template code which starts w/ `{{` [16:44:10] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [4/4] I also posted guides links [16:44:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech [16:44:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> For me I respect in values, I won't work for unethicial companies [16:44:29] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not able to assist further [16:44:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For doing unethicial things [16:44:38] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> No conglomerate is ethical tho. [16:45:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Sometimes I may loose my benief if going to far [16:45:06] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> It's not like big business is somehow ethically good [16:45:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Idk [16:45:10] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> fellas, not to sounds rude but [16:45:15] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> #offtopic [16:45:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Aight let's move [16:45:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And also definitely sure I'll fail on expressing loyality to the country [16:45:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So it's not my deal [16:45:47] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Sure thing [16:46:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] doesn't add these [16:46:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240344523465429015/image.png?ex=6646385a&is=6644e6da&hm=a4617bc2e35c92b62c7041e23435002b3acb19baf453824b61581d6c079f4ad1& [16:46:24] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I'm not trying to make an infobox [16:46:30] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I'm trying to make it easier for people to make an infobox [16:46:35] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> without having to copy and paste code [16:47:00] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to thefernofrommars> on here it has these things that are easy to edit, on mine I don't have them [16:47:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> then read [[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] documentation [16:47:09] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateData [16:47:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateData> [16:47:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not a helper on VE specific thing [16:48:02] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> and how do I open this [16:48:04] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I have it enabled [16:48:09] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I don't know how to open it [16:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> go and code JSON on template page [16:48:29] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> please read the mediawiki.org page [16:48:43] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> there's a manual [16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [1/2] it quite literally shows a UI thing right here, how do I access it [16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240345279610359808/image.png?ex=6646390f&is=6644e78f&hm=41ecc3cb44090af9e4354bbe2501ef1fcb8e5278f6722ac3f106639ae81c9cca& [16:49:23] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> how does adding code open it [16:50:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to yvirc> I don't think we should underestimate the scale of a repression [16:52:02] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> okay well I figured it out [16:52:08] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> idk why it displays a UI there when there's no UI [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [1/3] I will put it this way, getting currently may work for short term however there is likely to be upcoming immigration crackdown on those who arrive to the US without a valid visa or pass formal ports of entry [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [2/3] 8 years ago Canada openly welcomed then shut the door when US citizens took advantage and not use formal ports of entry. [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [3/3] Europe, there is chance authorities force to deposit lots of cash into local bank and require you demonstrate are capable of self sustainment. Europe is a lot stricter vs US. [17:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> [1/2] engineering where tied to a visa makes it very difficult upon graduation to find a job. while a high GPA gets foot in door, the interviews have a big focus on algorithms, data structures, system design, and biggest of all critical thinking under stress. [17:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> [2/2] will need to be very proficient in the above and have the ability to on the spot modify to fit criteria. interviewers are known to omit certain key requirements and expect you to ask insightful questions to gain the omitted requirements to "toy" questions [17:07:59] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> This. I studied econ/CS in college and this is 100% my experience. [17:09:50] <MirahezeRelay> <dakotaminnesota> anyones miraheze also slow as hell? [17:12:12] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> [1/2] not to mention, despite professor will inform that algorithm/data structure is very important...there is a total lack of forcing students to truly learn all of them. few large projects that focus on a few concepts and most just try to pass the exams... [17:12:12] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> [2/2] outside of engineering or business should be easier [17:13:17] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> Also math/stats. Most people can't even do linear algebra properly and with most of the money in machine learning stats is actually important. [17:14:21] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> yes most are incapable however those trying to immigrate from China should have an advantage? much more academically competitive [17:14:42] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> in additional, certain electives such as computer networks or database systems fall completely short of expectations [17:15:59] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> for example in a database systems course, are taught the theory but also told to go rewrite an existing library in python or java that talks to a database. that's considered of low value [18:16:14] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> honestly from my personal experience the biggest hurdle for most of us tend to be language and is cultural in nature [18:50:08] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Infoboxes seem to be broken, at least on my site. They've all been replaced with blocks of html text. [18:51:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to wolcamophone> did you imported them just now? [18:52:01] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> or they worked before? [18:54:23] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> They were up there before. I also can't seem to find the extension for infoboxes on the admin list. There's a page telling me the types of templates I can use, but whenever I create a new test template and pick a preset like "Game" or "Character," the parameter sets come up empty. [18:54:59] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> link please [18:55:49] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> https://n01rfixation.miraheze.org/wiki/Mordecai [18:56:01] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> The extension is disabled it seems [18:56:13] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Like globally? [18:56:29] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> It shouldn’t be [18:56:32] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Let me see my wiki [18:56:57] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Works fine for me [18:57:01] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Check your wiki logs [18:58:05] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to wolcamophone> enabled portableinfobox on your wiki via managewiki [18:58:32] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone, replying to m3w> Done [18:58:52] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> make a null edit on the page, hard refresh or purge action doesn't work [18:59:10] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Really? Huh [18:59:16] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> may have to wait for cache to expire [18:59:25] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to pixldev> yes, really. have tried in past with forks [18:59:30] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev, replying to m3w> That’s what purge does isn’t it? [18:59:32] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> only thing that forces is nulle edit [19:00:04] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to pixldev> no experience with multi-purge for cloudflare but normal purging does nothing [19:00:17] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> not sure if its due to having to reparse the page [19:00:31] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> I know, its stupid [19:00:34] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> What do you mean does nothing lol [19:00:54] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> a regular purge action won't make it display as infobox rather it continues as xml tags [19:01:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> in most cases only edit kicks PI [19:01:51] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> which is another downside of it [19:11:15] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> [1/2] I also enabled some other template plugins under parsers. Still not working quite yet it seems even after waiting a minute. What's weird is the parser works cause the template language is converted to the HTML block, it's just the formatting doesn't kick in. There's this other extension called Babel that's supposed to allow for custom templates, doesn't seem to do much so far. I [19:11:16] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> [2/2] 'm gonna see about tweaking any CSS extensions to see if they conflict. [19:11:24] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> So I transferred the infobox to my wiki [19:11:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240381067773612153/Tes.PNG?ex=66465a63&is=664508e3&hm=cc79ceb0fe068394c6e4ae48a27475855c4cdb5efa9f67186627a5cf1ba81552& [19:12:00] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> It works pretty well, and it doesn't have the same result as on the original wiki. [19:12:20] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> It's because I have an extra code in css [19:12:39] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Lol that ain't my character but thanks for sandboxing it for me! [19:12:56] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to wolcamophone> The problem could perhaps be solved with css [19:13:26] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to wolcamophone> I don't have access to modify your infobox, so I copied your code on my wiki to see the result. [19:14:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I think you should modify the css [19:14:25] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to wolcamophone> It's a combination of null edit and needing to purge cloudflare [19:14:45] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Mind you, I'm by no means an expert, I'm simply proposing [19:25:07] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> https://n01rfixation.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Character [19:28:13] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone, replying to m3w> Ok so how do you purge cloudflare? [19:32:43] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to wolcamophone> What's the issue [19:36:42] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Infobox templates do not display correctly, they get spat out as a block of HTML jargan [19:42:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> A null edit should fix that [19:42:59] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> If it's PI [20:44:21] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre> How is the subdomain marvelcomicsdatabase.miraheze.org [20:49:56] <RhinosF1> I'm not sure what you are asking [20:51:41] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to RhinosF1> They've been making threads about starting a Marvel wiki for a few days [20:54:44] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre, replying to tali64> Exactly [21:05:01] <MirahezeRelay> <platyellow> It's a big project, but I think if you have the motivation you'll do well [21:06:03] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> go on then [21:06:20] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> as all you have desire, energy and time [21:14:33] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I'm asking because I can't create it [21:15:10] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Why not [21:15:24] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> ah, if there's similar wiki [21:15:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> then go contribute to that wiki [21:15:49] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if it's closed, request it's reopen [21:16:17] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if you can't reach its admins try to start local election [21:17:14] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> copies or very similar versions of existing Miraheze wikis are prohibited by [[Content Policy]] [21:17:14] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [21:17:20] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy> [21:28:08] <MirahezeRelay> <mooncloud> @tedkalashnikov so sorry for the ping, but our wiki has moved to a custom domain and we were wondering what steps you guys at phighting wiki took to migrate over the SEO stuff and redirect to the new domain? [21:29:45] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev, replying to mooncloud> The old subdomain.Miraheze.org will redirect I think [21:29:49] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> But I don’t have experience [21:30:47] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> The wiki no longer exists [21:31:00] <MirahezeRelay> <mooncloud, replying to pixldev> In our case it hasn’t [21:31:04] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jeanboulanger> you can request restore [21:31:23] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on SR/wiki (un)deletion [21:31:31] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Not me, I speak for the person who asked [21:31:47] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I hope they'll see this reply lol [21:32:13] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> @ryanvanmatre [21:35:22] <MirahezeRelay> <elliethepwincess, replying to mooncloud> unless you've specifically requested the domain to force redirect, it won't automatically redirect [21:51:20] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to ryanvanmatre> to be knowledge, cosmicalpha moved the fandom wiki over to https://dcmultiversewiki.com/ thus any wiki request is likely to be denied unless that is hosted by wikiforge and not miraheze [21:53:58] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to m3w> The wiki appears to be hosted on Miraheze (the footer label indicating such appears at the bottom of the page)

[00:50:45] For some reason [00:50:51] on the wiki queue thing [00:51:00] when refreshing my page it would just send my previous comment [00:51:22] [1/2] so uhh sorry to the lucky guy [00:51:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240104204354191370/image.png?ex=6645588a&is=6644070a&hm=9af1d2e57a871a8b064327401c805ef47988b23380fdacc213584a7bc9250261& [00:51:26] who had to deal with this [00:51:27] lol [00:52:33] Known issue, Createwiki (the extension that powers wiki requests) can get surprisingly cranky and repetitive when the job queue gets backed up [00:53:07] anyway i responded [00:53:11] to rodejong's messages [01:06:54] we were just commenting on that, not your fault at all [01:07:21] I've seen it go haywire but this one is definitely a doozy [01:30:16] You're forgiven 😄 [01:53:03] [1/3] very new to miraheze, are you able to use a custom domain [01:53:03] [2/3] but use a subdomain so like [01:53:03] [3/3] wiki.example.com has the wiki [01:54:16] If you own a domain yes [01:54:24] yes we own a domain [01:54:30] thanks [02:59:12] <1klolo.> Hello, question; Is there any templates i can use the stylize my wiki? I'm have trouble with things such as colors. [03:35:37] [1/2] how do I add a documented thing [03:35:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240145536175181874/image.png?ex=66457f08&is=66442d88&hm=a81abf31249666ad0d2d1ec0522f56b7bfa56dcef8f9471c93007fa849ab8277& [03:35:47] documented parameters [03:43:00] like [03:43:03] I look up [03:43:14] "how to add documented parameters, mediawiki" and I get no results [03:43:33] I get results, but what the hell is a templatedata and what does that have anything to do with what I'm trying to find [03:43:36] is it related? [03:43:46] I look on the page, I don't see anything I am looking for [03:43:55] okay it must be on the template page, I don't know where though! [03:44:36] [1/2] ```<default>{{PAGENAME}}/default/title<image source="Flag"/><image source="Map"/><header>Information/header<data source="motto"><label>Motto/label/data<data source="dem"><label>Demonym/label/data<data source="capital"><label>Capital/label/data<data source="largest_city"><label>Largest City/label/data<header>Government Data/header<data source="g [03:44:36] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME [03:44:36] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [2/2] overnment"><label>Government/label/data<data source="leader"><label>Leader/label/data<header>Historical Data/header<data source="founder"><label>Founded/label/data<data source="founded"><label>Founder/label/data/infobox``` [03:44:42] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> this is my template [03:44:50] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> now how do I add the documented parameters [04:28:19] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> visual editor requires additional coding w/ TemplateData extension [04:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] my blunt advice - use source editor [04:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] wiki text isn't hard to learn and lets you to understand how the page is actually structured [04:29:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/5] how templates are used in source editor: [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/5] `{{template name here [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/5] |parameter name = parameter value [04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/5] ... [04:29:56] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/5] }}` [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/4] so [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/4] `|title = Portugal [04:30:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/4] |flag = Portugal Flag.png` [04:30:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/4] and so on [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/6] some help on wiki text here [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/6] [[mw:Help:Formatting]] [04:35:39] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting [04:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/6] [[mw:Help:Links]] [04:35:39] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/6] [[mw:Help:Images]] [04:35:40] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/6] and [04:35:40] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [6/6] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [04:35:40] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting> [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links> [04:35:45] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> [04:35:46] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> [4/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates> [05:06:08] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> @notaracham for your information, you have been blocked on Nonciclopedia for 42 days, with the reason "legal threats - go fuck yourself". Wedhro is the one who blocked you. I think this is unacceptable, you should remove his admin and bureaucrat rights [05:06:09] <MirahezeRelay> <Dyno#3861> @ejacu23_42059 Watch your language. [05:06:25] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240168387750002718/Screenshot_20240515_070427.jpg?ex=66459450&is=664442d0&hm=0745c951d1d42c127857952f6a1cfc1b9280690fb55d120abd35e7d68a48bcd4& [05:06:59] <MirahezeRelay> <brandon.wm> This would be better served in #cvt [05:07:29] <MirahezeRelay> <ejacu23_42059> ok, I'll move there [05:19:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Please help, my wiki is still having the editing problem reported before [05:36:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Looks like the issue happens when there are too many characters in the Summary field on submission [05:36:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I tried to include less info and submission can be passed over to the system [05:56:39] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> unless i'm mistaken, there's a character limit set by the database system - max for a text field is like 255 characters [05:58:39] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> What is the error? [06:29:11] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> The one already pasted on the issue tracking system, with only the differences of hexdecimal code [06:29:38] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Which ticket [06:29:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to m3w> Thanks for telling me, but why the webpage allows to submit edits? [06:30:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> I no longer having that URL [06:30:26] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> What is your username on the tracker then [06:30:40] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to m3w> That's not a reason for an exception [06:30:46] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or if it is, it's a big [06:31:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I believe this is a bug [06:32:34] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Is it https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12125 ? [06:32:41] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The webpage posted data which exceeds the allowance, which caused an error [06:32:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Let me check [06:34:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Yes, correct [06:35:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> @MediaWiki Specialists: can you check graylog? [06:35:21] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or @evalprime given you're around [07:08:58] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> It seems to be `Data too long for column 'mod_comment' at row 1` [07:12:00] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha> @li.ao ^ [07:35:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to cosmicalpha> Thank you for the information I later reduced the length of comments and it can be saved [07:57:43] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to cosmicalpha> Thanks [07:57:47] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> What's mod_ from [07:58:19] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Moderation [07:59:04] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> @edwardspec why can't that be a blob? [07:59:14] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Or at least catch properly [07:59:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Thats 257 times bigger [08:37:33] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec> I'll have it truncated [08:38:09] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec> last time I checked, MediaWiki was supposed to truncate it when the form is submitted, before MultiContentSave is even called... [09:07:41] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to edwardspec> Thanks [09:07:56] <MirahezeRelay> <cosmicalpha, replying to edwardspec> I remember this being the case as well... [09:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> [1/2] Why am I getting this error? :ThinkerMH: [09:14:02] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240230695708786749/image.png?ex=6645ce58&is=66447cd8&hm=5fc7be954ef064f18af7dafb6a5c881b43bd6086a0967790f9b081e753eef390& [09:18:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Instead, today I found the Center log in system worked on my wiki domain [09:18:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> 🤣 [09:20:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Like if this is for the form field of the comment message to be sent for moderation [09:25:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to justleafy2003> Please just refresh [09:26:49] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003, replying to rodejong> nothing changed [09:27:32] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Delete cookies and cache [09:29:48] <MirahezeRelay> <justleafy2003> ok now it worked thx [10:02:21] <MirahezeRelay> <edwardspec, replying to rhinosf1> done, covered by tests https://github.com/edwardspec/mediawiki-moderation/commit/088c43a2652e9bf6a1420ac042afb4a7c3e86b69 [10:56:45] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to edwardspec> @MediaWiki Specialists can you update [10:57:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> It'll be fixed soon. With thanks to @edwardspec for being really fast. [10:57:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [1/2] Hey, there. It's nothing at all, and not a problem in itself, but is there any way to refresh the special page “Wanted pages”? It actually refreshes itself every three days from what I understand, but in that time between refreshes, I've got at least fifty pages that still appear in the list, even though they no longer exist because I've done a bit of cleanup. Thanks in advance [10:57:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [2/2] . [11:08:59] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Try purging the deleted pages? Sometimes the database needs a kick. [11:09:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> how can you purge deleted pages? [11:09:41] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> add `?action=purge` behind the websites url [11:09:44] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> you meant created? [11:12:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Do I have to do this on every page? There are at least fifty of them [11:12:25] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> That's my question, yes [11:12:32] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Just try one first, and see if it has effect [11:13:01] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> I wouldn't know how to kick the database another way [11:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> ngl I was surprised to see that special pages were up to date immediately when I moved to Miraheze [11:14:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Doesn't work [11:14:14] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> hmmm [11:14:24] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on Wikia/Fandom it was a day or two always [11:14:36] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> now same thing here [11:15:09] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> At worst, it's not a question of crucial importance, it's simply a way of speeding up the process and making cleanup easier [11:15:51] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> don't new page appear like normal links or striked? [11:16:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on wamtedpages [11:16:46] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Some appear like the others, very few are scratched [11:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240261783000711178/Glad.PNG?ex=6645eb4c&is=664499cc&hm=ea35959f87cf3a3b823cb545aef8ab85f2ea918c48b307344e930a3304573d8b& [11:17:36] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Like this, I guess [11:19:20] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [1/2] In fact, scratched pages are pages that still exist. [11:19:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> [2/2] I don't know why they're like that. [11:19:45] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I don't know if that was the point of the questio [11:20:30] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> that's what I meant by striked yeah [11:21:49] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Okay, but crossed-out pages are pages that exist and haven't been deleted. I'm not sure why they're like that [11:22:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> wait [11:22:06] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> They're not even redirects [11:23:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] wanted pages is a list of red links, i.e. links to non-existent pages [11:23:02] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] if you create such pages, it's disappears from the list or gets crossed out [11:23:34] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> but you are deleting pages? [11:23:35] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> @originalauthority Can you way in to this problem? (Sorry if I pinged you for nothing) [11:23:50] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yes, a lot [11:24:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> But these pages still appear in the list [11:24:20] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> of course they will [11:24:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> there are red links left [11:24:47] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on other places of the wiki [11:24:50] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Yes, except that these pages are not linked to anything [11:25:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] but it says 26 links? [11:25:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] when you click on that, does it shows list of linking pages or it's empty? [11:25:47] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I'm curious what that scratch is about, I'm not familiar with it [11:25:52] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> more recent mediawiki behavior? [11:26:23] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Empty [11:26:26] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ms._Marvel_(s%C3%A9rie_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9e) [11:26:39] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Not linked to anything here [11:26:42] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> And still appear [11:26:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to raidarr> [1/2] no, been a thing on Wikia too [11:26:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to raidarr> [2/2] if a page listed in Special:WantedPages is created, it gets crossed out, anc then just gets removed from the list whenever cache is updated [11:26:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Apears where? [11:27:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> In the Wanted Pages list [11:27:25] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> While it should disappear [11:27:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> well, cache is the only thing I can attribute this behaviour to [11:27:38] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Know that [11:27:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> And it refreshes every three days [11:28:11] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I wanted to know if I could clear the cache myself [11:28:36] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> To get rid of all the not-linked pages in the list [11:28:38] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I see [11:28:48] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> yeah, cache on miraheze can be weird, very slow and ill behaved [11:28:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't see a problem if cross out works as temporary measure before cache update [11:29:18] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> but that behaviour wasn't here always [11:29:18] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it doesn't clear out after a week (iirc?) that's when it might be more stalled than usual [11:29:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Except that it even doesn't scratch the pages [11:29:37] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> special pages used to be quick on update [11:30:00] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> miser mode I suppose [11:30:44] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> After that, it's not a big deal, it's just that three days is a long time, and having so many stray pages disturbs my priorities [11:31:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I can't sort out which pages should be created and which shouldn't be there [11:32:33] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I don't know if it's a technical problem and if I should mention it on Issue Tracker [11:36:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> less than a week and tbh I don't think it would be worth it, sluggish updating of cache under a week is unfortunately a weakness of the platform [11:37:36] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it does drag on it may be more worthwhile but still something that at best would be possible with a member of sre wanting a break from more advanced tasks and just blowing it out on a whim [11:39:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to raidarr> All right. After that, a week's delay is exaggerated, it's more like three days (at least for me). That means it should be updated, for me, tomorrow. [11:39:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> In any case, thanks to those who helped me [11:39:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> The Sidebar Updates only once a week. [11:40:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> What do you mean by "Sidebar"? [11:40:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240267641860657252/image.png?ex=6645f0c0&is=66449f40&hm=02da3efecd49bc15becbb12e5ae53557c90370d2dba14472f0a46f2d443d9088& [11:41:11] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> MediaWiki:Sidebar [11:41:17] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> For me, it's instantaneous. [11:41:18] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> You can modify it there [11:41:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> 😮 [11:41:37] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Then you were lucky I guess [11:41:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> it's virtually always instant for me [11:42:26] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> mediawiki space pages can take time to update properly but that seems to have been reduced significantly especially after the upgrades [11:42:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't understand sidebar weekly update thing, never had a problem w/ it [11:42:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> I changed it three times, and had to wait almost a week [11:42:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Oh okay [11:42:48] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I'd look at local cache in that case [11:43:03] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> also believable under cloudflare while logged out but that behavior seems to have improved too [11:44:02] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I will make a test [11:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> When I started my wiki, I had to wait long times to see the change on my account. Logged out I could see it immediatelly [11:44:13] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] miser mode was enabled after wikitide merge and the first thing I noticed is like of "hide redirects" on Special:AllPages [11:44:13] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] I can't remember if Special:WantedPages sluggishness started the same time or w/ CF switch [11:44:31] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I think it was before CF for sure [11:44:39] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> and I recall there always being cache shenanigans in that space [11:44:58] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> not before merger then [11:44:58] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> January [11:45:00] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> beyond special pages, occasional quirks for other lists and categories as well [11:45:05] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240268718005551164/1.PNG?ex=6645f1c1&is=6644a041&hm=da5354fdd20ec6ea2cbf65b14fedd7cd420cf22d570deb16b85f328463f53cde& [11:45:12] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240268744362561587/Capture2.PNG?ex=6645f1c7&is=6644a047&hm=1aeb83fd37842715bd10d88dbb795dc85668e625a84e89c0c40726338de5b768& [11:45:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> okay [11:45:37] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> you convinced me 😄 [11:46:16] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _vanish cach_ [11:46:24] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _update new info_ [11:46:35] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> _update successful_ [11:47:07] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> At least something that works pretty well :EpicFaceMH: [11:47:12] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> Whahahaha [11:49:16] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Oh, I wrote in French, good old habits! [11:49:31] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I hadn't even noticed [12:06:02] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> That happens sometimes for me too. [12:06:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> (Not French though [12:06:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> But Dutch or Danish, yeah. Especially if a program in the background is running and I am listening to that. [12:09:29] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Danish or german, then? [12:14:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> not German, Dutch [12:16:00] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> [1/2] Dutch is spoken in The Netherlands and Flanders in Belgium. [12:16:00] <MirahezeRelay> <rodejong> [2/2] Deutsch or German is spoken in Germany. [12:19:12] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> fellas, is there a way to hide page titles beside CSS and [[mw:Extension:NoTitle]] magic word? [12:19:12] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle [12:19:13] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle> [12:19:41] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> They're the only two ways I know of [12:19:45] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if not, I suppose CSS would be more convenient [12:20:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> hmm [12:20:51] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> css is the most convenient that I know of [12:21:29] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I got confused with the term “deutsch” [12:21:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Sorry [12:25:52] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rodejong> The scratch isn't MediaWiki behaviour. I think thats a custom script? They'll still appear in the list because MediaWiki still thinks they are wanted pages. It won't know until it updates the page that they're no longer Wanted Pages. [12:26:21] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I used a similar script on Fandom. [12:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy> Is there a way to change the contents of a main menu? [12:53:34] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to tunityguy> What main menu? [12:54:27] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240286173591765103/image.png?ex=66460203&is=6644b083&hm=1b281237d97a31cda8f5a24836d010c87379c0ad082910158669ff7e30e249fe& [12:54:37] <MirahezeRelay> <tunityguy, replying to jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240286214993612841/image.png?ex=6646020d&is=6644b08d&hm=c48a65325600175d5557fac1bb15b9a05b1e5fea30460f523613c4db688888cc& [12:54:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> MediaWiki:Sidebar [12:55:21] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Add to URL [12:55:51] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://[name of wiki].miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [13:10:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> It's nice. May I know the outcome? Will the database allow more characters to be inserted, or, to disallow further characters from entering from the webpage level? [13:34:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And also, how to purpose IP address exemption from global blocks? [13:46:45] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> you can inquire on the SR about a particular block if it is overzealous or incorrect [13:47:25] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it is a proxy block for example the argument would be that it is not in fact a proxy or some such, however blocks are made for a reason and either the reason must be incorrect or the block not the best way to go about the reason [13:50:35] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> If it's a matter of someone not being able to create an account due to having an IP address in a blocked range (pretty common if using a VPN), they can also email CVT@miraheze.org to get an account created on their behalf that should bypass the block. [13:50:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just wanted to be exempted on my own wiki, sorry I didn't mention it before [13:51:06] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Block should generally affect anonymous users only. [13:51:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> My case is I need to unblock IP addresses/ranges to enable guest edits on my wiki [13:52:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Ah, hmmm, I don't think there's an ability to override global blocks locally, but I'll take a look into that. [13:52:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Someone did this for me, unblocking my company WiFi IP address which was identified as Microsoft Azure open host [13:53:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> This means every time I need to unblock IPs I need to raise a request? [13:54:35] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> We generally don't block individual IPs, but ranges of IPs, at a global level. Ideally that isn't something that would need to be requested particularly often. [13:55:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I do think so, so I'm looking for a way to do self-service [13:56:06] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I'll raise this w/ technical teams to confirm, but I'm not confident that local administrators can circumvent global blocks. [13:57:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Thanks for the help. It reminded me of someone who helped me with it by self-promoting as administrator first [13:59:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Aha, found something that might work! [13:59:15] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist [13:59:41] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> This should allow you to locally override things found on Special:GlobalBlockList [14:00:14] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> You'll need Bureaucrat-level access, I believe, to add/remove items from this list. [14:06:00] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> I just switch back to this server let me see [14:09:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Yes I checked with the page from what I see this will work for this situation [14:09:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks very much for giving me this info [14:09:44] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Not a problem, I also just learned this page existed today. 😄 [14:09:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But why I didn't found it on the list of special pages [14:09:56] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Yes me too [14:10:41] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> It's listed as Local Status of Global Blocks (or localized equivalents [14:11:17] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks [14:11:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I tried unblocking a Windscribe VPN address it says the IP address I entered is not globally blocked [14:12:34] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> There actually is a way to do it by permissions or something [14:12:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So I'll need to unblock the whole IP range instead of individual addresses, this will be more dangerous as spammers may take use of those unblocked addresses [14:12:44] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I think you'll need to do it via the whole range, yes. [14:13:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This would be more dangerous, I hope someday unblocking individual IP addresses would be possible [14:14:01] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> You could attempt instating a narrower local range block once you know the safe IPs, but that's its own form of tricky. [14:14:51] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes so to mitigate the risk what I need to do is to narrow the range as much as possible🤣 [14:15:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> In the future may I become rich, so okay I can own a whole IP range and I just register my own ASN so it can be easily avoided [14:17:32] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> May we all one day be so successful as to have a 'operating our own /16' kind of money [14:18:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Oh it will be a cool thing [14:18:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But I'll not be catering many things at one time, I may start with like /24 satisfying my own needs [14:19:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But /16 is the minimun unit of signing contracts? [14:19:34] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For most IP providers [14:19:48] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to raidarr> Yep, found it at Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist [14:20:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> So records showing you blocked some IP ranges yesterday [14:20:56] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For a person blocking IPs on Miraheze, how come not to knowing about this thing that ever existed up until now? [14:21:45] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> blocking is easy [14:22:05] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> selectively unblocking on an individual wiki's basis, which is a doorway for abuse in practical effect is something rarely touched upon [14:22:32] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Yep, combine that with that we're an all-volunteer org and onboarding documents are sparse. [14:22:40] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But attempts of avoiding other users from suffering unnecessary IP blocks is way more difficult right?🤣 [14:22:43] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Until it comes up, it's not something that someone would necessary think to knowledge-transfer. [14:22:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Ohh [14:22:58] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> it was made necessary because proxies are the overwhelming vector for abuse [14:23:06] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> don't like it, blame the people who ruined it for all [14:24:10] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I've been active on MH and related projects for a few years now, and I can say earnestly this is the first time I've seen someone asking about local overrides of global blocks. [14:24:14] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> though I have not dealt with it myself I have seen instances as well where local unblock has been used to bypass global locks so realistically I see that feature as a threat and not so terribly useful [14:24:34] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> global blocks/locks I should say [14:24:35] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes for a community-driven service professionalism may not come at high rates compared to commercial companies, but yes it's ok since there are many people contributing to the service voluntarily [14:24:58] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> we're certainly open for refinements at any time, be it to simplify or expedite things [14:25:11] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> or equally effective measures with a less blunt impact [14:25:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes it's correct, my experience told me that getting a residential/broadband IP address is way more difficult than getting proxy IPs [14:25:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> From the time being I can only access residential IP addresses in China [14:27:53] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> This is what I'm concerning about, so I'm not going to unblock an entire IP range for the protection of the service. Despite I have moderation system spammers may submit many edit requests simultaneously at one time, resulting in high pressure being imposed on the servers [14:28:32] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you don't drop the guard completely and the vector is not exploited it's probably fine [14:28:52] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if it is exploited repeatedly by a locked user we might need to send you a message [14:29:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I can try to adapt myself on balancing my privacy and server pressure, so I try to find residential/broadband IPs if I need to make edits [14:29:31] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I also wouldn't worry about submission of spam edits or whatever, that probably won't do anything at local level [14:29:49] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you personally need to make edits there should be no issue because logged in bypasses proxy block anyway [14:30:03] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> account creation should be the only point of inconvenience [14:30:13] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if a vpn block applies logged in, it was issued incorrectly [14:30:35] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Presumably spammers may know easily that their edits will be moderated, those requests may result in high server pressure, isn't it? [14:30:57] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> unless your wiki is top of the farm record traffic I doubt it would even be a blip [14:31:07] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> and in any case we have other antispam measures [14:31:12] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> especially with cloudflare operational [14:31:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Situation I'm facing is I will leave from my PC for a long time in the following months because of visa application. I'll move from my current city for visa appointment during which time I would only be able to use public computers [14:32:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Oh yes you have Cloudflare recently enabled [14:32:38] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to raidarr> Hurrah for that, I know CP41-served users are still seeing pretty slow speeds, but it sure beats the DDoSers managing to take down an entire georegion. [14:32:44] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr, replying to li.ao> is the issue that you don't trust your credentials on public computers? [14:33:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The reason I won't use traceable IP addresses is, Chinese police may easily identify who was making a particular edit at a particular time [14:33:16] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> perhaps you could have a relatively low trust public account used only for editing while away until able to log in with a more trusted environment [14:33:37] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So maybe today I use IPs from Zhejiang, and the next day I will use Guangdong's🤣 [14:33:54] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes exactlt [14:33:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> exactly* [14:34:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Sorry keys on my keyboard are hard to be pressed [14:34:19] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> I'll trust that they've thought this through given local experience. Sorry that you've got to have that consideration in mind, thanks for bearing with us. [14:34:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This is why I recently enabled certificate-based login for my main email account [14:35:00] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> if you're able to grab a phone and use authy, aegis or something you might then be able to 2fa secure it so a password compromise is not the end on said public account [14:35:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> In China ISPs just use this way to trace people [14:35:04] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> annoying but safer [14:35:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And since many Chinese people use app-based services they directly position their cell phones for local-based services [14:35:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Rather than measuring from IP address [14:36:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes. I may be escaped from doing repeative things, finding an IP address then entering into the proxy app, then turning it on to make effects [14:36:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> *In the future if I may move out [14:36:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like in Europe telecommunications legislation provide strong protection against the thing Chinese police do on daily basis [14:37:20] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> yeah what china does is off the wall bonkers, I do not envy it [14:37:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So anyway it's hard to say🤣 [14:38:59] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just found out that unblocking IP ranges individually isn't practical because I need to try finding out a particular block a blocked address belongs to [14:39:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But if I get proxy IPs when I'm out of reach of my personal computers, it's almost impossible to make exemptions because of uncertainty, I can't predict which address I will get [14:41:21] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Yup. Not sure of a clean way to do this programattically. 😦 [14:41:21] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> May I request for completely removing IP blocks from my wiki, since there are another means of ways to protect the server from abuse? [14:41:53] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Will ask around, but that creates a much bigger risk vector [14:42:01] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> Oh it will be a huge project and I need to make sure my servers will be reachable remotely to do this😂 [14:42:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to notaracham> If this can't be made possible I can try adapting myself with more attentive measures [14:42:49] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> If the block is a range block, it will never be possible to unblock individual IPs from within the range because MediaWiki doesn't insert every ip in a range into the block table [14:42:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like keeping myself out of people's eyesight physically [14:43:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> Yes this is why I found unblocking addresses as well as IP ranges involves in first finding out which block is currently applying on [14:44:42] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> But why doesn't it use rule-based setting to dictate which address or IP range should be allowed? [14:45:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For example for most firewalls you can allow a certain IP range while blocking one of them individually, the firewall will use rule-based control to dictate if the address will be allowed [14:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> That defeats the purpose of using a range. [14:48:44] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> If you know which ip in a range you want to whitelist, you'd block either side of that IP. [14:49:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like if this design is intended to make unblocking individual addresses difficult? [14:49:42] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes but sometimes local exemptions do required, for example for my case [14:50:16] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And global admins may not know if a particular IP address may be in use for legitimate purposes [14:53:00] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> The extension was designed probably with the thought that whoever made the global block would just amend it to whitelist an IP. [14:53:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This could probably be the exact reason. So, wiki farm support is natively supported by MediaWiki? [14:54:18] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I assume if Miraheze's architecture is from their own design [14:55:57] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> No [14:56:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Oh okay [14:56:24] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> There have been efforts recently to move towards better support (such as wgConf) but not much [14:56:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> This is with my expectations [14:56:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Things are about to get a bit worse if wgConf is depreciated [14:56:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So Miraheze made a prefect move [14:57:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> So, do you know what other wiki farm platforms like ShoutWiki and FANDOM are using to provide cross wiki support? [14:57:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Are they using their own design [14:58:45] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> ShoutWiki uses its own design but its broken afaik, Fandom uses its own design but it is a bit worse than Miraheze's and is similar to what can be seen in their legacy GitHub repo [14:59:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks for extending my knowledge [14:59:28] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Compared to wiki farms I've seen so far Miraheze is the best solution [15:09:57] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to li.ao> You can look at the commit - https://github.com/edwardspec/mediawiki-moderation/commit/088c43a2652e9bf6a1420ac042afb4a7c3e86b69. Moderation won't hold more than 255 charecters so it'll truncate it. [15:10:10] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to notaracham> There is [15:10:17] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Thanks for letting me know I'll check with it later [15:11:02] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham, replying to rhinosf1> Yep, already addressed, will cross out to prevent further confusion [15:11:23] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Cool [15:11:26] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I would sooner look at 2fa + 'safe account' over making the wiki a beacon for evasion [15:11:28] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> I was scrolled up a lot [15:13:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just checked with it, nice my findings went into a source commit!🤣 [15:13:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Thanks for making convenience for me but I'm ok if you just give me the commit link [15:14:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Like what a "safe account" is about? [15:25:23] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to raidarr> [1/2] By law, all in China have a social credit score and disobeying the CCP results in severe consequences. Not registering a phone to your name means no access to many basic services. [15:25:24] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to raidarr> [2/2] Li is trying to circumvent via proxy but a lot of malicious activity originates from China, Russia, North Korea, various eastern European countries [15:26:40] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to rhinosf1> Basically what I said earlier, this is effectively the database constraint [15:27:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to m3w> That truncates it to the constraints [15:27:52] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes I admit that China is the major source of online attacks across the globe [15:27:56] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It was a bug to not handle it in anyway [15:28:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So it's reasonable to set up restrictions on these origniating countries [15:28:16] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> China is our largest source of blocked traffic by cloudflare [15:28:25] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Although it all comes from 2 IPs [15:28:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> This is considerable, sorry I didn't read that before [15:29:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> I wonder which two🤣 An attacker may use tens to thousands of addresses from China [15:30:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> It's not a difficult thing, especially for getting IPv6 addresses, for governments just like getting millions of phone numbers in there, despite cell phone subscribers are estimated to be over 1.4bln [15:31:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And just to clarify, I have Chinese phone numbers but I don't use it to get services which will tier with my real identity to ensure privacy protections [15:31:33] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I just keep them and sometimes provide to others to receive SMS codes [15:31:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Ah good old communism [15:31:53] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like recently, I lend my numbers to a Vietnamese guy for him to sign up for Chinese apps [15:32:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> Unfortunately, communism is a long history in there [15:32:28] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> We can't disclose. They have been blocked though. [15:32:58] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For the CCP, for decades; for communism values from traditional Chinese culture, for thousands of years [15:33:10] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> *communism ideology [15:33:18] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to rhinosf1> Okay it's ok [15:33:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But fortunately I've collected money from family and will soon start my visa application [15:42:45] <MirahezeRelay> <notaracham> Wishing you success [15:43:00] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thank you for your kind words [15:43:37] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I've told my parents if my visa application got refused I will make repeative applications until I get admitted, or I may move to another visa-free country [15:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> By the end of this year, I must leave from China [15:51:46] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> careful w/ public discussions [15:52:11] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thank you, I've already taking this into consideration. [15:53:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> People will most likely get warned by police if they're found showing opposition to the Chinese government or CCP, but I didn't receive any these notices so far [15:58:22] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to li.ao> Ah to be in the land of the free [15:58:31] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> (Let me know if you ever find it, that is) [15:58:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> GitHub is even partically blocked in China, sometimes they Chinese ISPs admit you with success connection sometimes they just terminate them without giving notice [15:59:30] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to originalauthority> I think I've already found out a place virtually online which can be considered as free land [16:00:07] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Of course I oppose to the Chinese government and I expressed my opinion just like Western people expressing their ideas [16:00:09] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> I very much wish you luck in finding a more tolerant place [16:00:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And yes I haven't been caught for even a single time. [16:01:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> I respect Western values so my ideal place is Europe, or later if I'm well educated with knowledge, the USA which is my best country [16:01:30] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> depends where in the us tbh [16:01:40] <MirahezeRelay> <raidarr> but it does sound like most places would be better than nothing [16:01:50] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes US is a challenging place it depends on which state you are [16:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to raidarr> Yes [16:02:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> At least they give me valuable things where I can't have in China [16:02:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Living in there I have nothing to be expected, except for moving out [16:02:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And of course, nothing to expect as well [16:03:59] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The Tor bridge I use is still blocked by my ISP [16:04:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> 😂 [16:04:58] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Aren't you taking risks just chatting here? [16:05:44] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to jeanboulanger> If you use a Chinese phone with a registered SIM card in your name and showing express on that phone that you oppose to the government, and in Chinese, definitely sure it's risky [16:06:06] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> chec DMs [16:06:13] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But I make no traceable records from identity tied to my identity in the forms of cell phone an [16:06:14] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Okay [16:06:22] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I'll check for now [16:06:42] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Good, be careful [16:10:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Thanks for the careness [16:28:44] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to jeanboulanger> I don't think the government cares enough to do anything about discord tbh. [16:29:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Like everyone uses VPN nowadays and discord is more like a gray zone rather than being explicitly illegal. [16:29:26] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to yvirc> I think you underestimate the CCP [16:29:33] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I mean I am from China [16:29:35] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> (anyway, this is very #offtopic so let's move there) [16:29:40] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Yep lol [16:32:05] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Tor browser comes with the bridge installed. What you have to do is enable bridge mode and then use Tor. [16:33:26] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> I didn't use their built-in ones and I requested from their website [16:33:52] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Because I believe bridges come with the browser may be easily blocked by ISPs [16:34:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I mean I've been using it for 4 years now [16:34:25] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Certain bridge/vpns are virtually impervious to blocking [16:34:27] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Which may also make me volunerable as I will make explicit connections to servers exposed in the browser [16:34:32] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> For example astrill. [16:34:39] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Are you using Tor with a blocked Internet? [16:34:49] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Like what I'm doing, in China with China Mobile [16:34:57] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Well I'm also from China lol [16:35:05] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> You from China? [16:35:10] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> 我当然是中国人。 [16:35:11] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2024-02-15&end=2024-05-15&country=cn Snowflake seems to be more popular in China than obfs4 (which is likely what you're using rn) [16:35:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Unbelievable your English shows to me you're at least living in a Western country [16:35:30] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> if you can use snowflake it might be worth giving it a try [16:35:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Ohh okay [16:35:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But you now living in China? [16:35:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Well I am living in the US but I spend significant time back home. [16:35:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to bluemoon0332> I'm using obfs4 right now [16:35:55] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332, replying to li.ao> try snowflake then [16:36:03] <MirahezeRelay> <bluemoon0332> seems to work better there [16:36:04] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> So at least you have background on living in Western country [16:36:05] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> Orbot was quite good during hardest block wave in Russia [16:36:16] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I spent all my life in China so far [16:36:19] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I would recommend astrill since that's what I use (so far 3 years worth of 99.9% uptime) but definitely on the expensive side. [16:36:36] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> 其实，美国也就这个样子。 [16:36:45] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> If there will be costs, I won't consider it [16:36:48] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> 生活照样进行xd [16:36:57] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Then it would be quite difficult. [16:36:58] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> The US is way more nice than China [16:37:09] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I admit life in the US is somehow challenging [16:37:18] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> okay now where do i put this [16:37:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But the point is, they give you the opportunity to develop, to advance your skills [16:37:29] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> To make progresses [16:37:41] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> The Chinese government however doesn't [16:38:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Eh idk and tbf I don't wanna talk about politics [16:38:24] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> How difficult is it to get a visa for US or Europe actually? Being a European I'm actually not sure about how it works in practice [16:38:42] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> when you are using infobox template you've made on a normal page, switch to source editor and type the code the way I showed in example [16:38:54] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to reception123> Moderately easy but you need ~70k USD in your bank account to prove that you are not going to overstay [16:39:15] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to yvirc> Wow, 70k?! [16:39:25] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Somewhere around that. [16:39:29] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Or 50k? [16:39:30] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> though I mean I wouldn't take that as a guarantee of not overstaying heh, it's not necessarily about the money [16:39:31] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I worked w/ visas in 2017, same shit - need loads of money [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [1/3] 美国是我最喜欢的国家，它给了我发展我梦想中产业的可能性，因此我非常喜欢这个国家。 [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [2/3] Since this is an English channel, so translation below: [16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> [3/3] The US is my favorite country, which gave me the possibilities of developing my career in the field of the industry I'm dreaming about. This is why I love it so much. [16:39:47] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] on the template page? [16:39:47] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240342878774104074/image.png?ex=664636d2&is=6644e552&hm=7cd08f8996e3b09057c84195e518565ecbb6e4547406a2cd3d0c4e8b5405ec7c& [16:40:25] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> I plan to move to Europe and they require only blocked funds covering my entire stay [16:40:30] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123> I wouldn't discount the EU as an option but one can't deny that the US does have a lot of advantages too [16:40:42] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> What I used to do is get a bandwagon VPS. Search up their website and you can deploy a SSR client for yourself [16:40:43] <MirahezeRelay> <reception123, replying to li.ao> what country? [16:40:48] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For example for 1 year, 10k euros [16:40:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to reception123> Germany, my plan [16:41:07] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> It gets blocked if multiple people use it but if it's for personal use then it will be fine. [16:41:08] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [1/2] no, normal page [16:41:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [2/2] if you want to make a boilerplate (example code which you can copy and fill up on normal pages like fields in a card), you need to write that code inside `<noinclude>.../noinclude` tags, after infobox code [16:41:20] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Oh like other Chinese people you use SSR🤣 [16:41:40] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> What industry are you thinking about (?) just curious [16:41:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Not anymore [16:41:46] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I use a combination of different types of technologies on different kinds of devices [16:41:49] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Shits old news [16:42:03] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Windows, Android, Linux, or router OS (despite they all run on PC) [16:42:19] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Electronics manufacturing and IT, and software engineering [16:42:27] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> Ohh okay [16:42:37] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] so how would putting it on a normal page, for example my example page add these things [16:42:37] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240343592078151760/image.png?ex=6646377c&is=6644e5fc&hm=e2cbc44c80e2202dc89c66da8f8d04e2d4b59985055a50a095a541ab037e1053& [16:42:38] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So you can tell me where you're origniated? [16:42:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> I'm from Jiangsu Province [16:42:46] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Oh I guess for CS/engineering related fields then yeah US pays a lot more lol [16:43:03] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> I move around quite a bit. [16:43:06] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Yes CS is at top priority in the US [16:43:23] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Until now I still living in Jiangsu there🤣 [16:43:35] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to li.ao> Tbf working for FAANG-equivalent companies in China pays essentially the same in terms of purchasing power. [16:43:43] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> But changes in my city show up indications that I must move away from there [16:43:54] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> ~700k rmb for Huawei etc. [16:43:57] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> FAANG?? What's this [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [1/4] I showed in first messages [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [2/4] - switch to source editor [16:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [3/4] - type template code which starts w/ `{{` [16:44:10] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> [4/4] I also posted guides links [16:44:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech [16:44:24] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to yvirc> For me I respect in values, I won't work for unethicial companies [16:44:29] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not able to assist further [16:44:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> For doing unethicial things [16:44:38] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> No conglomerate is ethical tho. [16:45:02] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> Sometimes I may loose my benief if going to far [16:45:06] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> It's not like big business is somehow ethically good [16:45:09] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Idk [16:45:10] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> fellas, not to sounds rude but [16:45:15] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> #offtopic [16:45:21] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc> Aight let's move [16:45:31] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> And also definitely sure I'll fail on expressing loyality to the country [16:45:36] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao> So it's not my deal [16:45:47] <MirahezeRelay> <li.ao, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Sure thing [16:46:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] doesn't add these [16:46:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240344523465429015/image.png?ex=6646385a&is=6644e6da&hm=a4617bc2e35c92b62c7041e23435002b3acb19baf453824b61581d6c079f4ad1& [16:46:24] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I'm not trying to make an infobox [16:46:30] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I'm trying to make it easier for people to make an infobox [16:46:35] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> without having to copy and paste code [16:47:00] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to thefernofrommars> on here it has these things that are easy to edit, on mine I don't have them [16:47:09] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thefernofrommars> then read [[mw:Extension:TemplateData]] documentation [16:47:09] <wm-bot> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateData [16:47:10] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateData> [16:47:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not a helper on VE specific thing [16:48:02] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> and how do I open this [16:48:04] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I have it enabled [16:48:09] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> I don't know how to open it [16:48:22] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> go and code JSON on template page [16:48:29] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> please read the mediawiki.org page [16:48:43] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> there's a manual [16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [1/2] it quite literally shows a UI thing right here, how do I access it [16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240345279610359808/image.png?ex=6646390f&is=6644e78f&hm=41ecc3cb44090af9e4354bbe2501ef1fcb8e5278f6722ac3f106639ae81c9cca& [16:49:23] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> how does adding code open it [16:50:15] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to yvirc> I don't think we should underestimate the scale of a repression [16:52:02] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> okay well I figured it out [16:52:08] <MirahezeRelay> <thefernofrommars> idk why it displays a UI there when there's no UI [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [1/3] I will put it this way, getting currently may work for short term however there is likely to be upcoming immigration crackdown on those who arrive to the US without a valid visa or pass formal ports of entry [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [2/3] 8 years ago Canada openly welcomed then shut the door when US citizens took advantage and not use formal ports of entry. [16:57:34] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to reception123> [3/3] Europe, there is chance authorities force to deposit lots of cash into local bank and require you demonstrate are capable of self sustainment. Europe is a lot stricter vs US. [17:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> [1/2] engineering where tied to a visa makes it very difficult upon graduation to find a job. while a high GPA gets foot in door, the interviews have a big focus on algorithms, data structures, system design, and biggest of all critical thinking under stress. [17:01:57] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to li.ao> [2/2] will need to be very proficient in the above and have the ability to on the spot modify to fit criteria. interviewers are known to omit certain key requirements and expect you to ask insightful questions to gain the omitted requirements to "toy" questions [17:07:59] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> This. I studied econ/CS in college and this is 100% my experience. [17:09:50] <MirahezeRelay> <dakotaminnesota> anyones miraheze also slow as hell? [17:12:12] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> [1/2] not to mention, despite professor will inform that algorithm/data structure is very important...there is a total lack of forcing students to truly learn all of them. few large projects that focus on a few concepts and most just try to pass the exams... [17:12:12] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> [2/2] outside of engineering or business should be easier [17:13:17] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> Also math/stats. Most people can't even do linear algebra properly and with most of the money in machine learning stats is actually important. [17:14:21] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to yvirc> yes most are incapable however those trying to immigrate from China should have an advantage? much more academically competitive [17:14:42] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> in additional, certain electives such as computer networks or database systems fall completely short of expectations [17:15:59] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> for example in a database systems course, are taught the theory but also told to go rewrite an existing library in python or java that talks to a database. that's considered of low value [18:16:14] <MirahezeRelay> <yvirc, replying to m3w> honestly from my personal experience the biggest hurdle for most of us tend to be language and is cultural in nature [18:50:08] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Infoboxes seem to be broken, at least on my site. They've all been replaced with blocks of html text. [18:51:54] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to wolcamophone> did you imported them just now? [18:52:01] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> or they worked before? [18:54:23] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> They were up there before. I also can't seem to find the extension for infoboxes on the admin list. There's a page telling me the types of templates I can use, but whenever I create a new test template and pick a preset like "Game" or "Character," the parameter sets come up empty. [18:54:59] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> link please [18:55:49] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> https://n01rfixation.miraheze.org/wiki/Mordecai [18:56:01] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> The extension is disabled it seems [18:56:13] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Like globally? [18:56:29] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> It shouldn’t be [18:56:32] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Let me see my wiki [18:56:57] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Works fine for me [18:57:01] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Check your wiki logs [18:58:05] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to wolcamophone> enabled portableinfobox on your wiki via managewiki [18:58:32] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone, replying to m3w> Done [18:58:52] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> make a null edit on the page, hard refresh or purge action doesn't work [18:59:10] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Really? Huh [18:59:16] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> may have to wait for cache to expire [18:59:25] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to pixldev> yes, really. have tried in past with forks [18:59:30] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev, replying to m3w> That’s what purge does isn’t it? [18:59:32] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> only thing that forces is nulle edit [19:00:04] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to pixldev> no experience with multi-purge for cloudflare but normal purging does nothing [19:00:17] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> not sure if its due to having to reparse the page [19:00:31] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> I know, its stupid [19:00:34] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> What do you mean does nothing lol [19:00:54] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> a regular purge action won't make it display as infobox rather it continues as xml tags [19:01:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> in most cases only edit kicks PI [19:01:51] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w> which is another downside of it [19:11:15] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> [1/2] I also enabled some other template plugins under parsers. Still not working quite yet it seems even after waiting a minute. What's weird is the parser works cause the template language is converted to the HTML block, it's just the formatting doesn't kick in. There's this other extension called Babel that's supposed to allow for custom templates, doesn't seem to do much so far. I [19:11:16] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> [2/2] 'm gonna see about tweaking any CSS extensions to see if they conflict. [19:11:24] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> So I transferred the infobox to my wiki [19:11:32] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240381067773612153/Tes.PNG?ex=66465a63&is=664508e3&hm=cc79ceb0fe068394c6e4ae48a27475855c4cdb5efa9f67186627a5cf1ba81552& [19:12:00] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> It works pretty well, and it doesn't have the same result as on the original wiki. [19:12:20] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> It's because I have an extra code in css [19:12:39] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Lol that ain't my character but thanks for sandboxing it for me! [19:12:56] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to wolcamophone> The problem could perhaps be solved with css [19:13:26] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to wolcamophone> I don't have access to modify your infobox, so I copied your code on my wiki to see the result. [19:14:10] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> I think you should modify the css [19:14:25] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to wolcamophone> It's a combination of null edit and needing to purge cloudflare [19:14:45] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> Mind you, I'm by no means an expert, I'm simply proposing [19:25:07] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> https://n01rfixation.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Character [19:28:13] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone, replying to m3w> Ok so how do you purge cloudflare? [19:32:43] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to wolcamophone> What's the issue [19:36:42] <MirahezeRelay> <wolcamophone> Infobox templates do not display correctly, they get spat out as a block of HTML jargan [19:42:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> A null edit should fix that [19:42:59] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> If it's PI [20:44:21] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre> How is the subdomain marvelcomicsdatabase.miraheze.org [20:49:56] <RhinosF1> I'm not sure what you are asking [20:51:41] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to RhinosF1> They've been making threads about starting a Marvel wiki for a few days [20:54:44] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre, replying to tali64> Exactly [21:05:01] <MirahezeRelay> <platyellow> It's a big project, but I think if you have the motivation you'll do well [21:06:03] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> go on then [21:06:20] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> as all you have desire, energy and time [21:14:33] <MirahezeRelay> <ryanvanmatre, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I'm asking because I can't create it [21:15:10] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> Why not [21:15:24] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> ah, if there's similar wiki [21:15:35] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> then go contribute to that wiki [21:15:49] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if it's closed, request it's reopen [21:16:17] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> if you can't reach its admins try to start local election [21:17:14] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> copies or very similar versions of existing Miraheze wikis are prohibited by [[Content Policy]] [21:17:14] <wm-bot> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [21:17:20] <MirahezeRelay> <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy> [21:28:08] <MirahezeRelay> <mooncloud> @tedkalashnikov so sorry for the ping, but our wiki has moved to a custom domain and we were wondering what steps you guys at phighting wiki took to migrate over the SEO stuff and redirect to the new domain? [21:29:45] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev, replying to mooncloud> The old subdomain.Miraheze.org will redirect I think [21:29:49] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> But I don’t have experience [21:30:47] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> The wiki no longer exists [21:31:00] <MirahezeRelay> <mooncloud, replying to pixldev> In our case it hasn’t [21:31:04] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jeanboulanger> you can request restore [21:31:23] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> on SR/wiki (un)deletion [21:31:31] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Not me, I speak for the person who asked [21:31:47] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> I hope they'll see this reply lol [21:32:13] <MirahezeRelay> <jeanboulanger> @ryanvanmatre [21:35:22] <MirahezeRelay> <elliethepwincess, replying to mooncloud> unless you've specifically requested the domain to force redirect, it won't automatically redirect [21:51:20] <MirahezeRelay> <m3w, replying to ryanvanmatre> to be knowledge, cosmicalpha moved the fandom wiki over to https://dcmultiversewiki.com/ thus any wiki request is likely to be denied unless that is hosted by wikiforge and not miraheze [21:53:58] <MirahezeRelay> <tali64, replying to m3w> The wiki appears to be hosted on Miraheze (the footer label indicating such appears at the bottom of the page)