[03:26:26] Does {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} have a number it caps at? It's been stuck at 999 edits [03:26:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:NUMBEROFEDITS [03:52:11] [1/3] Is there any specific reason for the main page’s set SEO description to not display in embeds? It works for every other page except this one [03:52:11] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1249209402062409850/IMG_7161.png?ex=6666786a&is=666526ea&hm=7bd6ff9e49787497dd4493e414cd1e08cb5b6b39072a8912970bcd3833daf9f4& [03:52:11] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1249209402360070285/IMG_7162.png?ex=6666786a&is=666526ea&hm=27b01ab1545d959ec44b4c9632a7b08de89ac315cff08fe6e423696da9b300a5& [04:12:57] euh hello [04:13:00] dropping in [04:14:01] made my first wiki ever so i'll drop in a lot to ask for help [04:18:31] also it's surprisingly quiet here given it has a good size [04:22:46] Activity depends on the time of day [04:23:39] sounds like exactly what happened the last time i joined a big game server [04:24:03] means everyone's having a good night's sleep [04:24:04] :] [04:31:17] If you wouldn’t mind sharing, what’s the url? [04:36:21] I haven't even touched the main page yet [04:36:23] https://interliminality.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:36:42] i'm planning to work on it once the group i'm working w is awake [04:36:48] Roblox game? [04:37:13] yep [04:37:19] It’s super cool to see more Roblox games using alternative wiki hosts like miraheze [04:37:25] I hope everything goes well for you guys [04:37:34] also made it mostly because GODDAMN the fandom wiki is bad [04:38:06] there's way too many inaccuracies and weird things there like saying "Behaviour" in 2 of the pages and "AI" for the rest [04:38:07] My wiki also forked from fandom but luckily our fork went well since our fandom wiki wasn’t very active [04:38:15] sick [04:38:34] Is this an official/endorsed fork? Or? [04:38:50] the creator approved the wiki [04:38:53] that's about it [04:38:57] it's active tho [04:38:59] That’s sweet [04:39:12] oh wait did you mean ours [04:39:25] the fandom one is approved from the creator, ours aren't [04:39:36] Ah [04:39:52] Is the fandom staff team working on it then? [04:40:02] surprisingly no [04:40:28] also, most of the edits on the fandom wiki was done by a dev from the game that was caught for using AI to code [04:40:35] so i'm not really counting on that either [04:40:52] How many people have you got working/backing your project? [04:41:15] like, 6 i think? It's a solid number plus one of them was a contributor [04:41:24] I see [04:41:44] just gotta make sure we don't make any funky mistakes and we should be fine [04:42:20] also quick curious question what's your wiki [04:42:39] https://urbanshade.org [04:42:42] Official wiki for Oressure [04:42:50] ah [04:42:51] Upcoming doors-like game [04:42:55] pressure is pretty cool [04:43:07] Have you talked to the fandom staff? [04:43:36] not really, should i have done that? Also i'm not even sure if there's a staff the begin with [04:44:13] (except the server i chat in is just spamming the funny sebastian line 😭 ) [04:44:15] You should at least talk to the fandom editors/staff if there is [04:44:30] i'll check if there's staff rq hold on [04:44:41] Making a fork of a wiki because you don’t like the current project isn’t a very good practice [04:45:14] Especially if it’s forking from a fandom wiki [04:46:14] makes sense [04:47:35] It’s only going to cause competition and vandalism between the two wikis [04:47:48] You should bring up moving to miraheze to the fandom editors [04:47:56] i'll see what i can do [04:48:11] Our project moved after a collective decision by the community + staff [04:48:14] (also this might seem stupid but i've never actually checked staffs in fandom) [04:48:21] (where do you check if there's any) [04:51:11] If your team isn’t at least well-versed in editing and organisation then I wouldn’t recommend starting a new wiki without any support, I’ve found in my case it takes a lot of work and technical knowledge to effectively operate a wiki [04:52:09] I’d recommend talking to the fandom wiki’s editors/staff and the developers of the game you’re making the wiki about [04:53:00] Ooooohh... Man this is a bad time for me to make a wiki now that i think harder about it [04:53:16] I have no idea who the fandom staffs are and the dev of the game is taking a break [04:53:51] [1/2] thanks for the advice, Moon 👍 [04:53:51] [2/2] many appreciation [04:54:16] If they don’t have a staff page on the fandom then special:listusers should help [04:55:01] I hope things go well for your project! [04:56:14] my phone is fighting for its life while navigating fandom [05:04:17] uufff i found the page but i'm not sure how to find a staff [05:04:28] can you help me about this [05:04:37] (please and thank you) [05:07:46] nvm found the owner [06:35:45] How do I check comments on wiki pages? [06:36:04] I got a notification that someone commented on one of my pages but nothing seems to appear [06:36:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1249250759476772905/Screenshot_20240609-013611.png?ex=66669eef&is=66654d6f&hm=09f3b016eb5a16885624889e16098b5f62a5ef7efaec13a6e7b1e310d5dc076e& [06:37:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1249250902599008267/Screenshot_20240609-013653.png?ex=66669f11&is=66654d91&hm=4819b2ec973b429da29e698eedbce7c21adbe1c59382ea693fad66d87edf0ed9& [07:31:17] https://mypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/利用者:Ndbtk000 [07:40:12] Is Agent coming back? I just found his Discord account appearing again [07:40:26] And changed his pfp [07:54:09] why should he? I doubt anyone here still keeps contact w/ him [07:54:58] Nothing is confirmed [07:55:13] Oh okay [08:10:18] @li.ao can you tell me what https://gamebaikeshuwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/GHGWIKI:%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5 is about? [08:10:21] the wiki [08:10:32] Let me check [08:11:29] The first paragraph containing "Steam" just tells about the background of this platform [08:11:44] @solidblock hi [08:12:19] While the second paragraph has contexts saying about Miraheze and something related to its service terms and abusive behaviours [08:13:23] It says that some people attempted to post contents that violates the Miraheze service terms, the laws of the PRC and the UK then report to Miraheze, and that the wiki strongly condemns such motivations [08:14:14] And it also says that people involved in such behaviour will be taken with measures that he/she will be blocked for at least 1000 years as prosecution [08:15:47] And the last sentence is somehow funny, it says that under "serve situations" the case will be reported to police departments of PRC🤣 [08:16:15] I don't think if police will take care of their cases🤣 [08:16:50] the wiki caught my attention cause it's traffic pattern makes no sense [08:18:08] So in general this page is about general info of this wiki, the context as said above, and some guides on how to coordinate with it, and the footer links are some similar wikis and links to Hong Kong, Macao, and mainland China government, and some links to Chinese state media websites [08:18:13] well actually it's traffic from China makes no sense [08:18:36] Like if there are massive requests to this wiki? [08:18:37] Ohh [08:19:05] Like they seem not to just browsing the site, but with some heavy behaviours? For example to request a particular resources for many times [08:19:19] every 1-2 hours (not perfect seperation), it's traffic spikes from 0 to between 1 and 1.5k requests [08:19:38] Oh that seems unusual [08:19:57] random URLs and random IPs [08:20:04] For normal visitors there shouldn't be such kinds of excessive growth at specific time ranges [08:20:05] but surely that can't be human traffic [08:20:14] Yes I think so [08:20:35] and IPs are from? [08:20:46] China [08:20:56] I know nothing about the wiki though [08:21:12] so I was hoping something would indicate why people check it in spikes [08:21:23] the wiki was "put on pencil", perhaps [08:21:31] But as the second paragraph says, it should be interpreted that some people were trying to post illegal contents then report to Miraheze, possibly seeking for suspension of the wiki [08:22:42] I just checking on this wiki this is my IP address [08:23:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1249277645787762708/image.png?ex=6666b7f9&is=66656679&hm=aac1b62f0de0a9644b0a56c73750079e46b1814ca4bab68574510e30617a6a63& [08:24:02] what does that say [08:24:18] Which one please [08:24:45] I just sent a screenshot that has the IP address I was using [08:24:57] Please disregard the remaining content🤣 [08:25:15] That's just a message from my Telegram [08:26:42] ah ok [08:26:50] Yes [08:27:15] I checked with various pages and it looks like just an innocent wiki being targeted by people [08:31:17] Are those intermittent requests happening every day? [08:31:21] Just confusing [08:34:03] it seems constant [08:34:26] they tripped another filter i put in after some abuse yesterday [08:34:32] which is how i spotted them [08:34:40] How long has it kept so far [08:34:45] it's every 1-2 hours it spikes [08:34:56] i have only looked back on the last 2 weeks of data [08:34:58] Like when did it start [08:35:01] it shows clearly in that [08:35:08] Oh [08:35:09] it smooths out any longer than that [08:35:16] we hold a month worth of data [08:35:23] But looks like their contents were stopped updating back in 2022 [08:35:34] this sort of messaging is cause to be looked into on the spot tbh [08:36:03] not really much free time for that as html is demonstrating why he doesn't want to be unlocked again but it's noted [08:36:59] Who are you referring to [08:37:13] if stewards wish to look into the wiki then it makes my life easier [08:37:27] i don't have to decide to do anything to monitor the traffic [08:38:36] the traffic itself imo is not really cause for steward action [08:38:53] Chinese hackers can easily get different IP addresses from different locations so it's hard to determine who they are just from IP addressesthey use [08:39:00] the wiki is general though [08:39:02] but referencing the prc and harping on about potential false reporting as of late is the sort of thing that deliberately non compliant wikis have been up to recently [08:39:04] that is [08:39:12] I will be looking into that too [08:39:25] if the translator finds something odd I will forward it for authoritative inspection [08:45:07] What I take care of the most is, will Miraheze cooperate with Chinese law enforcements for potential violations of laws in China [08:45:46] Because of this not making clear I use proxies almost all the time doing things on my wiki [08:45:50] To prevent tracking [08:46:19] some of our wikis are already blocked in China [08:46:28] why would we give a shit about what they have to say? [08:46:50] Yes I do think so there's no need to take care of their complaints [08:47:03] They can block them, so just let it go. But can you give me examples [08:47:08] I know if I get one from them it's going straight to the trash [08:47:21] *get some request from them [08:47:58] Yes just to the pathway to the trash [08:48:02] 😂 [08:50:02] We will only co-operate with legitimate law enforcement requests where there is reasonable prospect of the request succeding on application for a warrant in the USA. [08:50:09] at a minimum [08:50:14] But fortunately at least my wiki isn't affected. Thanks to Miraheze DNS there are A records to my wiki domain which makes ISPs hard to discover the service it's actually using [08:50:28] Thanks I hope so [08:51:01] My stand is at least those illegal requests will not be processed [08:51:04] if your request is because you want to send someone to an "education" camp because of anti-chinese words said, you can foxtrot oscar. [08:52:01] A little fact -- in China those re-education camps are often take place at prisons [08:52:03] 🤣 [08:52:15] if your request is because there's been a clear and unquestionable threat to life, limb or property, you might have more success [08:52:31] and no, legitimate protest is not a threat to property [08:52:46] the principles of freedom of speech and assembly apply [08:52:47] They force people to watch their TV documentaries, once and once again just an endless loop😂 [08:53:01] yes, "education" is in "" for a reason [08:53:45] I told my parents saying that being prosecuted by Chinese judicial system is my honour, but I can't afford it as they may torture me [08:54:16] So I just find circumvention instead of for combating directly against them [08:55:57] But fortunately Chinese loyalists are not talented in using English which gives me an opportunity to make a hidden treasury of free information with them written in English [09:00:10] we can't give you examples tbh, we can only respond to them [09:00:51] miraheze would really rather not deliberately put people in a bad position, encourages anyone from a crummy regime to take every measure possible for their safety and privacy, and conversely is totally disinterested with any but already policy-adherent requests that may come from the direction of china [09:01:28] From what I'm aware T&S feels the same way; a request that is already in line with our policies yes, anything that is 'special' to china be it giving people's information, performing censorship by their whim and so forth, no [09:01:56] Okay, I have estimations based on the answers above [09:02:37] Thank you for the info [09:03:23] @serverlessharej can answer fully for the board [09:04:50] indeed [09:06:37] No warrant in breach of the Universal Declration of Human Rights by a foreign state should be honoured [09:06:55] Nor the European convention of human rights or local legislation [09:07:22] And for the record, that would apply to any request from the UK under the Rwanda Act [09:07:38] Local legislation disapplying human rights law is bull [09:08:29] I would expect the board to refuse any warrant for info to deport someone from the UK to Rwanda [09:08:31] This should be the best practice. [09:10:43] This led me thinking of those successful extradition attempts of China in their Red Initiative, those Chinese nationals who were in fear of China's strength claimed by the country usually failed to prevail in court procedure [09:10:51] And later resulted in successful deportation [09:11:31] And those who were taking important facts into account, were often succeeded in defending themselves which lead to failed attempts of deportation [09:12:44] looking in it seems things will get much worse over there before they get better [09:12:56] I hope you and other reasonable people prevail in the end [09:14:00] I'm not involved in their police activities, these are for people with backgrounds connected with politicians and state-funded enterprises [09:14:30] For me the thing I need to address is excessive power which resulted in human rights violations [10:00:58] Hi, may I know how to add a panel that switches across different languages of pages? [10:19:34] I think if it's using the translate extension [10:19:50] Let me check [10:58:59] I enabled the Translate extension, but how can I add other languages [11:05:33] mark pages for translate [11:05:45] you need to wrap the text in