[00:34:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> BlankEclair — I just saw your reply on the task, the extension hasn't been pulled to the server and mwdeploy is so badly documented I have no idea how to do it
[02:08:04] <BlankEclair>	 should i find that hilarious lol
[02:10:58] <BlankEclair>	 originalauthority: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log?diff=prev&oldid=401768, grep for test151
[02:11:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> That only pushes extension-list.json to all the other servers
[02:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin, replying to originalauthority> The option you need is `--upgrade-extensions <extension>`
[02:12:02] <BlankEclair>	 what about `{'force_upgrade': True, 'versions': '1.42', 'upgrade_extensions': 'CustomSubtitle'}`?
[02:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to orduin> I tried that it said it couldnt find the extension
[02:13:11] <BlankEclair>	 exact error message?
[02:13:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Oh, I guess if you are trying to deploy a new extension, that makes sense
[02:13:26] <BlankEclair>	 https://github.com/miraheze/python-functions/blob/4e4dfde82b37074458bdd4a299e9366ec50f3e55/miraheze/mediawiki/mwdeploy.py#L436-L439
[02:13:44] <BlankEclair>	 you might need to pull the extension from git manually (dunno if mwdeploy has a subtask/command for that)
[02:14:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Dunno because everything is done through mediawiki-repos now which also suffers from a lack of documentation
[02:14:51] <BlankEclair>	 bruh
[02:15:13] <BlankEclair>	 it appears that versions are outside of mediawiki-repos though since i don't see updates to that repo for updating extensions
[02:17:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Because puppet is supposed to pull them
[02:17:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/blob/d5cb972cd5fc23c81ebeea5c948a48f0e67f3207/modules/mediawiki/manifests/extensionsetup.pp#L21
[02:19:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Ahh, I can see the problem
[02:20:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [1/4] In the puppet logs:
[02:20:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [2/4] ```
[02:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [3/4] Notice: /Stage[main]/Mediawiki::Multiversion/Mediawiki::Extensionsetup[MediaWiki-1.41]/Git::Clone[MediaWiki-REL1_41 CustomSearchProfiles]/Exec[git_clone_MediaWiki-REL1_41 CustomSearchProfiles]/returns: warning: Could not find remote branch master to clone.
[02:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [4/4] ```
[02:20:56] <BlankEclair>	 oh right the branch name is main :/
[02:21:00] <BlankEclair>	 sorry
[02:21:26] <BlankEclair>	 should i make a pr for that or should someone just push the fix
[02:21:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> I can fix
[02:22:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> thanks Void
[02:22:54] <BlankEclair>	 is it odd that it's a warning and not an error
[02:23:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Well, the error message comes later but isn't as helpful, it just shows the git command returned an error code.
[02:26:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Should be ready to deploy now
[02:27:57] <BlankEclair>	 curious, does puppet automatically update extensions or does it only do a one-time clone
[02:35:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The default is "present"
[02:35:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Which is i dont care what version as long as it exists
[02:35:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> I think it's a one-time clone, it's only set to latest for one extension.
[02:35:51] <BlankEclair>	 ty
[02:36:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> I think this is because updating all extensions in a puppet run can cause it to take too long if there are too many to update.
[02:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yeah i previously had it set like that
[02:37:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Runs were taking like 300 seconds sometimes to check if everything was up to date
[02:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <alestan_07> Hello
[02:39:41] <BlankEclair>	 ello
[02:47:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [1/3] Does anyone know how to make categories? If so how do I make it so you can pick from them on the main page 
[02:47:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [2/3] (Like this)
[02:47:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256440897424588851/Screenshot_20240629_094705_Chrome.jpg?ex=6680c745&is=667f75c5&hm=e7ab947d43f3381dd8647e47efa2fc2c78f24334dcac83ceff8041895ed3f860&
[02:50:15] <BlankEclair>	 tempette: that's done by https://pizzatower.wiki/wiki/Template:Article_navigation; see https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Porting_templates for more information on copying templates from other wikis to your own
[02:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Alright
[03:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to tempette> [[:mw:Help:Categories]]
[03:25:30] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:mw:Help:Categories
[03:25:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories>
[03:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> previously there used to be an "all articles" link on Special pages of a wiki and it linked to All pages but with a special parameter. after the wiki-tide merger, i noticed that the same link still showed redirects ("All articles" would not do that) and i presumed that it must've been removed for some reason, then i saw now that the option was indeed removed. why is that?
[03:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to gme2968> Are you looking for Special:PrefixIndex?
[03:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <solodayheavenofficial, replying to gme2968> Miraheze didn't remove this afaik
[03:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <solodayheavenofficial> It may have been removed upstream in MediaWiki
[03:36:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968, replying to mooncloud> nope
[03:36:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968, replying to solodayheavenofficial> oh damn
[03:36:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> thanks for the info
[04:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Hello, I just got my new wiki approved, changed the main page and added a page and sent out the link to others in my community. From an incognito tab the main page is still stock and there isn't an option for them to create an account. Is there a visibility toggle somewhere I can flip? https://whitecatadventures.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[04:26:25] <BlankEclair>	 99.9% sure it's caching
[04:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Hmm it's been about 8 hours since I made the edits
[04:27:12] <BlankEclair>	 worldofgeese: try using https://whitecatadventures.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:PurgeResources and specify the Main Page
[04:27:25] <BlankEclair>	 hmm i dunno how long cache lasts
[04:29:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Purging the cache didn't appear to fix the issue
[04:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Spoke too soon, maybe. On another machine I can access the page in incognito. Checking a third browser now just to be safe.
[04:31:54] <BlankEclair>	 oh okay
[04:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Third browser works, thanks for that tip! Will I often need to purge the cache when I make edits?
[04:32:25] <BlankEclair>	 if you want them to appear immediately after editing when logged out, yes
[04:32:34] <BlankEclair>	 they expire eventually, lemme see if i can get the exact period
[04:37:55] <BlankEclair>	 i couldn't find how long things are cached for normally, but i did find a cap of 1 day
[04:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Gotcha, thank you
[04:45:34] <BlankEclair>	 you're welcome ^_^
[05:23:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <solodayheavenofficial, replying to gme2968> To be clear, I am not entirely sure, I just am not aware of Miraheze removing this nor is there any reason Miraheze would, so if it's gone, it's likely either something with the wiki's customization removing it, or it being changed upstream, however I am not 100% sure
[05:30:48] <BlankEclair>	 gme2968: is it basically this? https://files.catbox.moe/gg8hwn.png
[07:12:22] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 hi discord
[07:29:40] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 how do i make a user admin or other ranks
[07:31:24] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 justamelonchannel: hi me
[07:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to Bryceeetaylorrrd> hi how r you
[07:32:20] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 justamelonchannel: good
[07:33:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to Bryceeetaylorrrd> hows https://ftlwiki.miraheze.org doing
[07:33:28] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 justamelonchannel: good
[07:34:14] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 anyways does anyone know how to change a user to admin my wiki is https://ftlwiki.miraheze.org
[07:35:33] <Bryceeetaylorrrd>	 just mention me if you know
[07:42:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Community members are still complaining they're not able to view pages. I can confirm this issue is a mobile browser issue because desktop works fine
[07:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> [1/3] Is anyone able to test https://whitecatadventures.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[07:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> [2/3] and https://whitecatadventures.miraheze.org/wiki/C1E2:_The_unlikely_heroes_free_their_friend_from_capture_by_Knorr
[07:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> [3/3] on a mobile browser?
[07:45:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to worldofgeese> [1/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256515972756406343/Screenshot_20240629-084505_Chrome.png?ex=66810d30&is=667fbbb0&hm=5dbdeca4776b5a92ddbd72c748eebf8eb47cbf7be13caf3507be11c804916995&
[07:45:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to worldofgeese> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256515973046075422/Screenshot_20240629-084526_Discord.png?ex=66810d30&is=667fbbb0&hm=3d4d0aa64197df80be37d91649bea3894ab2b4ace059faca04246012f4808e98&
[07:45:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to worldofgeese> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256515973436018688/Screenshot_20240629-084535_Chrome.png?ex=66810d31&is=667fbbb1&hm=2b739564d9930816bd0d2de0cfd355366f1fee1b7b9e7b4b2e2b919626ec2fc1&
[07:46:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Is it intended that people with no accounts cannot view the page?
[07:46:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Or did you wish for it so only that no accounts can't edit?
[07:49:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Also that's a long title
[07:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to worldofgeese> [1/3] That's all
[07:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to worldofgeese> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256517967068270642/Screenshot_20240629_155315_Chrome.jpg?ex=66810f0c&is=667fbd8c&hm=ff9e9e66ac9bcf97941314157ea1d14eac04f8044243e97d87e287cd8e8d1fc7&
[07:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to worldofgeese> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256517967324254289/Screenshot_20240629_155326_Chrome.jpg?ex=66810f0c&is=667fbd8c&hm=0c936ccedc816851d08b34b48888ae0f05b961202ee653c0fae50486293aaee0&
[07:54:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to worldofgeese> [1/2] your wiki is private man
[07:54:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to worldofgeese> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256518169594433636/IMG_20240629_105345.jpg?ex=66810f3c&is=667fbdbc&hm=a87c40c3f09fbac731c31c9e770c22b88afa06efd1beab21ce7212b22189bafa&
[07:58:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> go to Manage this wiki's cpre settings in admin sidebar and remove Private flag
[07:59:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you want to keep the wiki private you need to manually assign Member role to users who should be able to see it
[08:00:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they should register Miraheze account and visit main page of your wiki first
[08:22:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese, replying to justamelonchannel> It's strange because I've replaced the stock main page but it shows the original even after purging the cache
[08:23:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Checking this one sec
[08:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> I think that worked? I did want to keep it private but allow users to register but it wouldn't allow registration at least on mobile. It was also weird it continued to show the stock page
[08:27:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> In any case I've opened it up now hopefully it won't be defaced 😅
[08:29:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to worldofgeese> [1/2] it's pretty much because default mobile skin sucks, it hides away a lot of things
[08:29:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to worldofgeese> [2/2] and registration has to be done on main Miraheze wiki anyway
[08:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> [1/2] Gotcha. Is it OK to hand out this account creation link? https://whitecatadventures.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount?returnto=Main+Page&returntoquery=action%3Dedit
[08:30:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> [2/2] Or should I use the main Miraheze one?
[08:31:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> bear in mind that someone who has registered elsewhere can still show up on your wiki and make an account attachment that way
[08:31:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> doesn't mean they can see it if it's private, just a behavior of the central login
[08:31:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] if your wiki is public registration isn't needed to see all pages
[08:31:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] if private, then technically any public wiki, as Raidarr said, but easier w/ Meta
[08:32:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> account system is a bit strange indeed
[08:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> How much HTML should I know for making a Miraheze wiki?
[08:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Like basics or expert stuff?
[08:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Html - practically none
[08:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Css - basics, but w3school has an excellent resource for it + html and other coding languages
[08:46:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Wikis are made with Wikicode
[08:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> basic html can get you an idea of what you're looking at when you need to use the source inspector to figure out what item specifically needs to be css'd
[08:47:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] a = link 
[08:47:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Body = where content goes
[08:47:43] <BlankEclair>	 sometimes you want html to do some stuff (e.g. <span style="color: red">red text</span>)
[08:47:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> helps if you're wanting to do advanced stuff just so you know how it behaves under the hood
[08:47:52] <BlankEclair>	 but it shouldn't be too advanced, at least i think
[08:48:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> yeah, none of it is particularly expert unless you're digging very deep
[08:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> ooui is worse than html sometimes tbh
[08:48:20] <BlankEclair>	 worldofgeese: you can make the wiki publically readable but limit editing to a select group if you want
[08:50:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to raidarr> Alright ty
[09:01:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> Oh yes that seems like a good idea!
[09:02:38] <BlankEclair>	 i was about to guide you on how to do it, but i remembered that https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Restrict_editing_to_authorized_users exists
[09:02:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [1/6] a wiki can go live w/ just wikitext indeed (including template coding), if you want it to nicer then comes other stuff
[09:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [2/6] I suggest to check these first
[09:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [3/6] [[mw:Help:Formatting]]
[09:02:51] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
[09:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [4/6] [[mw:Help:Links]]
[09:02:51] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links
[09:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [5/6] [[mw:Help:Images]]
[09:02:51] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images
[09:02:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> [6/6] [[mw:Help:Templates]]
[09:02:52] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[09:02:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting>
[09:02:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links>
[09:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>
[09:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [4/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>
[09:03:06] <BlankEclair>	 it does say it's incomplete, but the "Through permissions" section is basically what i'd do
[09:24:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <worldofgeese> BlankEclair: does the IRC bridge communicate emoji reactions back to the server? If not, thank you
[09:24:51] <BlankEclair>	 nope
[09:24:55] <BlankEclair>	 and you're welcome ^_^
[09:38:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> How would it be possible for me to implement a custom noscript in all pages?
[09:40:46] <BlankEclair>	 n4ta_: html has the class "client-js" when javascript is enabled, and "client-nojs" when not
[09:42:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> Yes but is really not possible to put a customized noscript? I was thinking of using text and links, just doing it all with CSS would not have the same effect...
[09:43:13] <BlankEclair>	 what do you mean?
[09:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> Putting a noscript html tag with content inside of it on every page
[09:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> New to miraheze and mediawiki, sorry ^^
[09:43:54] <BlankEclair>	 oh, so something displayed above every page (when js is disabled)?
[09:44:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> Yeah
[09:54:39] <BlankEclair>	 n4ta_: you could use a sitenotice to display a certain piece of wikitext above every page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sitenotice
[09:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <n4ta_> interesting, thanks!
[09:55:31] <BlankEclair>	 e.g. "<span class='noscript'>test</span>", then add `html.client-js .noscript { display: none; }` to MediaWiki:Common.css (and MediaWiki:Mobile.css because reasons)
[10:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel> [1/2] test
[10:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256553830020022284/Screenshot_20240629_181209_Discord.jpg?ex=66813072&is=667fdef2&hm=4a0e5eed824c11fe7f2d61dff50ac5651effea3737f096b8b518fe4acf176b0e&
[11:21:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> Hi
[11:21:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> I'm working on a sample page of CheckUser on Meta
[11:21:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> I don't know if it complies with the rules
[11:22:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233, replying to honglan233> Can anyone give me some insights?
[11:23:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to honglan233> sure
[11:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Link?
[11:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233, replying to rhinosf1> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Honglan233/checkuser
[11:27:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> It's not completely finished yet
[11:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It reads weird
[11:29:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233, replying to rhinosf1> Yeah, I'm perfecting it
[12:00:46] <BlankEclair>	 ngl it's impressive considering that you can't use <input> or <button>
[12:29:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justamelonchannel, replying to honglan233> How do you add a ip and press check
[13:06:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968, replying to BlankEclair> yes but with a parameter to make that little redirects checkbox unchecked
[13:07:36] <BlankEclair>	 gme2968: that's Special:AllPages on my local test server--the reason why it's not on miraheze wikis is that miser mode is enabled (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMiserMode)
[13:08:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> Hmm, question. Is it possible to change the domain of an existing ``xxxx.miraheze.org`` wiki to a different ``miraheze.org`` domain? just wondering.
[13:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> i'm talking about the All articles option
[13:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> hold on
[13:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> Oh, sorry if I'm budging in to things 🙏
[13:08:53] <BlankEclair>	 velvetbyrne: you should be able to by requesting it on phorge
[13:09:04] <BlankEclair>	 (if the scope of the wiki changes, you must first get clearance from a steward though)
[13:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to velvetbyrne> yes, it's called database name change, requested via phorge
[13:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> 🫡 makes sense, thanks for the info
[13:09:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, all what Eclair said
[13:09:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968, replying to velvetbyrne> it's fine tbh
[13:09:56] <BlankEclair>	 now that makes me curious, are there cases where the subdomain doesn't line up with the database name?
[13:10:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne, replying to BlankEclair> yeah, that's probably gonna be the main """issue""" because sometimes some projects just don't work out due to rl circumstances www
[13:10:26] <BlankEclair>	 as far as i know, xyz.miraheze.org is xyzwiki and xyz.mirabeta.org is xyzwikibeta
[13:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <velvetbyrne> issue ain't the right word but my brain isn't running properly so, apologies
[13:10:43] <BlankEclair>	 happens
[13:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968, replying to gme2968> /w/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&hideredirects=1
[13:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Should be
[13:11:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> on my Bootleg Games Miraheze Wiki this parameter is moot
[13:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> https://bootleggames.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&hideredirects=1
[13:11:43] <BlankEclair>	 because miser mode is enabled
[13:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> oh huh
[13:11:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gme2968> thanks lol
[13:11:57] <BlankEclair>	 you're welcome lol
[13:28:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gme2968> I've made a snippet in personal CSS to hide redirect links in AllPages, in case I need them I can check list of redirects or just disable code in element inspector
[13:47:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> [1/2] @honglan233 
[13:47:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> [2/2] [[User:Waki285/CheckUser]] improved
[13:47:03] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285/CheckUser
[13:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285/CheckUser>
[13:49:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to suzuneu> CheckSomeUser
[13:50:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233, replying to suzuneu> Thank you very much, It looks better
[14:16:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No there shouldn't be any cases where the database name and subdomain don't match if it hasn't been changed
[14:16:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Because the database name is generated from the subdomain by CW
[14:17:29] <BlankEclair>	 is it theoretically possible
[14:20:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> If the subdomain is changed in ManageWiki after the wiki has been created but the database wasn't, yes. But from the get go, no. The two will always match when the wiki is created.
[14:20:49] <BlankEclair>	 alright, thanks ^_^
[14:22:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/3] Which is why we always change database names when we change the url because say you have 
[14:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/3] Meta.miraheze.org, the database will be metawiki, then we change the url to community.miraheze.org, but the database is still metawiki. 
[14:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [3/3] Theoretically meta.miraheze.org would become available for taking, but it cant because when someone tries to request a wiki at meta.miraheze.org CreateWiki will take the "meta" add "wiki" and look for a database with that name, if it finds one, it will return that the wiki already exists when theoretically it doesn't because it's been moved
[14:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> My lore wiki was deleted off Miraheze sometime last year. Is there any way I could get a backup of its pages/data/etc.? It was basically a me-only job, I kept alive for a year or 2 but I eventually forgot to bump it & now it's gone.
[14:24:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> If it was deleted last year the chances are the database has been dropped.
[14:24:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> You could check archive.org
[14:25:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can try to ask in Stewards requests or check Internet Archive
[14:25:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> Thanks
[14:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to deviaze> meaning not just wayback machine pages but actual backup btw
[14:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if the wiki was public
[14:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> private wikis aren't backed up
[14:27:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Wdym, I could get a full backup off IA?
[14:28:10] <BlankEclair>	 possibly--miraheze appears to upload dumps of their own to IA, and you get rogue archivists doing their part
[14:29:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah ^
[14:29:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but it works only for public wikis
[14:29:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> That's awesome
[14:29:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> Yeah mine was public and had it hosted off my custom domain
[14:29:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but if you want to continue host on Miraheze, I'd advice to ask stewards for possible undeletion
[14:30:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> otherwise, if found on IA, you can import again
[14:30:25] <BlankEclair>	 miraheze's self-IA dumps do not include images btw
[14:31:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wikiteam's do?
[14:32:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> I found some IA page hits for my site, including some of the rlly long pages i put a ton of on
[14:32:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> Thank you all so very much
[14:33:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze> No images on them but that's okay, the main work was in text
[14:33:06] <BlankEclair>	 theoneandonlylegroom: i haven't scoured most of the dumps, but the one on my wiki includes them
[14:33:19] <BlankEclair>	 https://archive.org/download/wiki-rainverse.wiki_w-20240510
[14:34:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> [1/2] Is our import request going through, or did it just import some pages before it failed?
[14:34:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImportQueue/799
[14:35:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> > There was an error while importing the provided XML. The Technology team has been notified.
[14:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> idk, I would wait a bit
[14:36:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> But our wiki has a few new pages in it
[14:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> created w/ this import?
[14:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> I believe so
[14:37:10] <BlankEclair>	 i'm guessing it's half-way
[14:38:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelazysquid, replying to meepeygamer567> [1/2] On the same wiki this import happened on search is now broken
[14:38:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelazysquid, replying to meepeygamer567> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256619928958533692/image.png?ex=66816e01&is=66801c81&hm=233fa5509b7167e44f41fc167400114c86009207f8cd0b2731a923987fceda97&
[14:40:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you get database error it's better to report via Phorge
[14:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze, replying to BlankEclair> How would I find this for my wiki?
[14:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> in archive itself type your wiki's name
[14:41:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not wayback machine
[14:41:10] <BlankEclair>	 deviaze: an xml backup? search for your wiki's subdomain or domain in archive.org (not the wayback machine url box, the box below that)
[14:42:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze, replying to BlankEclair> [1/2] got it :)) 
[14:42:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <deviaze, replying to BlankEclair> [2/2] https://archive.org/download/wiki-wikiauraxisco_w
[14:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256620986183192576/2024-06-29_17_42_42.png?ex=66816efd&is=66801d7d&hm=d74bad83cf46eee8e7f8f37148743497f8b29c286eaacdeaf070b840742c25e3&
[14:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256620986447691850/2024-06-29_17_42_59.png?ex=66816efe&is=66801d7e&hm=64b00603b3e7a1d0997e4b1d265d9698e8c416c4428d6d91038755f5be9dfd2b&
[14:43:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah
[14:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> congrats :pupCoffeeMH:
[14:43:23] <BlankEclair>	 you're welcome ^_^
[14:43:43] <BlankEclair>	 i'm tempted to do a service that archives wikis about to be closed for inactivity, but i'm not sure if people would like that
[14:46:14] <BlankEclair>	 (i just realized i meant "about to be deleted for inactivity", not closed, oops)
[14:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> my RC settings are reset across all wikis :ThinkerMH:
[14:55:15] <BlankEclair>	 wha?
[14:56:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> recent changes preferences
[14:56:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the amount of edits and days, I see it's all default again everywhere for me
[15:00:14] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: public wikis are all dumped on archive.org before being fully deleted
[15:00:23] <BlankEclair>	 oh yay :D
[15:00:40] <RhinosF1>	 Reception does it
[15:00:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wooo
[15:02:03] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: we're also pretty awful at actually dropping wikis
[15:02:14] <RhinosF1>	 Always check Special:ManageWiki first
[15:02:34] <BlankEclair>	 good xd
[15:03:38] <RhinosF1>	 Last drop was 6 months ago
[15:04:39] <RhinosF1>	 3519 wikis were dropped in early Jan
[15:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [1/2] It's normal that empty space on the Infoboxes?
[15:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256631471003930635/image.png?ex=668178c1&is=66802741&hm=fa35e9902c764af6ad05e777a1787559fb5a2793c41bd5f6c3a3ab7ed1f1d364&
[15:25:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you sure it's not one cell w/ line break?
[15:26:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256631950563868842/image.png?ex=66817934&is=668027b4&hm=4eacf05884990ed175fda6193030ca91fa473d522cd80d15e4f31fe26754420d&
[15:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> That's how it shall to look
[15:27:45] <BlankEclair>	 do you have leading whitespace on the template or page?
[15:27:53] <BlankEclair>	 anyway, i'm logging off, bye bye
[15:28:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> byye
[15:30:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to BlankEclair> on the page despise of on the template doesn't appear it
[15:32:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Probably, I'm not explaining well because isn't my main language
[15:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> We appear to be having issues with our templates with our import
[15:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to meepeygamer567> what kind?
[15:37:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> This case is the Infobox company
[15:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if it's fandom infoboxes they are finicky on import, need an extension enabled and kicked w/ cache purge or empty edit
[15:38:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> extension is PortableInfobox
[15:39:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> While I'm on the topic of our import, how can we check the status of our import? Our request hasn't updated it's status.
[15:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> request page it is, there's history tab
[15:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> like, of your request
[15:40:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Dragon_Bros._Daramount
[15:40:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> If you wanna check it out the problem
[15:42:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Is this only accessible by the requester?
[15:43:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not sure what you mean
[15:43:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I can see comments left by MacFan
[15:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't think he's available rn tho, time zones
[15:44:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> That's what I can only see too
[15:44:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meepeygamer567> I didn't put in the request, another admin did
[15:44:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah, I see
[15:44:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't think there's a diference tho
[15:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I would try to raise in #tech or [[Phorge]] maybe
[15:44:43] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge
[15:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[16:16:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> At present, the relevant information of NDA seems to be only vaguely recorded on Meta
[16:17:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> I hope it can expose the template and signing process of NDA like WMF
[16:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> This will be very helpful for users to understand NDA
[16:19:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to honglan233> The WMF have multiple NDAs
[16:19:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Our NDA is equivalent of the full WMF legal one
[16:20:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Not the legal pad ones
[16:23:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Hey, I am using a template with parameters, and inside one of those parameters I'm trying to put in a table, but it won't let me- I assume because tables start with a "{". Do you know a way to fix this?
[16:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> the problem of wiki tables in templates is `|` - you'll have to replace it w/ `{{!}}`
[16:25:17] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! 
[16:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> It did that automatically, but still isn't working
[16:25:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> so
[16:26:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/5] `{{{!}} class="...
[16:26:07] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7b! 
[16:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/5] {{!}} something
[16:26:08] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! 
[16:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/5] {{!}} something
[16:26:08] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! 
[16:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/5] {{!}}-
[16:26:08] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! 
[16:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/5] ...`
[16:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Oh, whoops, didn't replace the others - thanks, I'll try that!
[16:26:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, all pipes has to be changed
[16:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> alterative solution - use HTML tags (`<table>` etc)
[16:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> For pipes with a + or - symbol too, does that symbol go inside or outside of the curly brackets? I've tried both and neither work, so I feel like I must have put them in wrong somewhere
[16:31:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> outside, see my example
[16:32:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I'd suggest to try build the table outside of template then cut/paste it inside
[16:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> after previewing
[16:33:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I did! That's how I got to this point
[16:33:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> it still doesn't like it 😭
[16:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> html tags seem easier - I'll try them instead.
[16:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's how I made my classic infoboxes lol
[16:40:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the code would look nightmar-ish otherwise
[16:41:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> oh wait, can you merge cells in a html table?
[16:41:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> still rowspan?
[16:44:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yes
[16:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I believe there are HTML table builders?
[16:46:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I'll look for one - I've found a couple sites with info, so I'm kinda copying those, but I've already messed it up so I'll look for the builders. Thanks sm!
[17:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> [1/2] https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Checkuser/2024-03/A
[17:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> [2/2] I noticed that WMF Meta's CU results show
[17:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> The way the results are displayed looks much more intuitive than ours
[17:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honglan233> I hope this form of result display can also be introduced into Miraheze
[18:11:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256673310154952855/image.png?ex=66819fb9&is=66804e39&hm=f6ed5d78c3c05bbfba8e41b6ccf23f27a4f09f5ecde1117094632face3c2ef77&
[18:17:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tunityguy, replying to thelilacdragon.> ?
[18:17:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> It's for my um... fictional version of Paramount?
[19:02:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowygrassblock> ;
[19:04:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> What?
[19:14:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to snowygrassblock> ~
[19:15:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowygrassblock, replying to tali64> /
[19:15:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowygrassblock> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:45:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <solodayheavenofficial, replying to thelilacdragon.> Why post that in this channel?
[19:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to solodayheavenofficial> due to the {{for|}}
[19:45:56] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:for 
[19:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <solodayheavenofficial> ok what about the for
[19:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> Hey, I've been at this for agessss so I'm asking for help - still working on that damn html table and I can't figure out how to style it so that it has borders around the cells
[19:52:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> The code works fine on w3school but then I put it into the wiki and it just. it doens't work
[19:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [1/7] Is this even okay code?
[19:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [2/7] <style>
[19:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [3/7]  table, td, th {
[19:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [4/7]      border: 1px solid white;
[19:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [5/7]      border-collapse: collapse;
[19:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [6/7] }
[19:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [7/7] /style
[19:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> idk why it works on w3 but not on the wiki.
[19:55:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> style tags don't render in MW, you should define class and add the code to MediaWiki:Common.css, or alternatively try CSS extension - it lets adding individual styling on a page w/ its syntax
[19:55:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [[mw:Extension:CSS]]
[19:55:39] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS
[19:55:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS>
[19:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> for templates tho better to use TemplateStyles
[19:55:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Ah, okay, gotcha - I'll try the extension first. Thanks!
[19:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> is that another extension?
[19:56:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[19:56:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you create a separate short styling page and "attach" it to template
[19:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> check documentation
[19:57:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles]]
[19:57:17] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles
[19:57:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles>
[19:57:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> oh, it says I have that enabled already
[19:58:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> ngl I have no clue what that means but I will read up about the template and see if I can figure it out
[20:04:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to thelilacdragon.> this seems surely a copyright vio
[20:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to originalauthority> It's fine if it's a parody
[20:22:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to mx.lilasekhmet> yeah
[20:22:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> agreed
[20:23:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Because the logo is owned (the original) by Paramount Global/ViacomCBS
[20:23:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and I don't use it with non-good profits
[20:24:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Daramount_Network
[20:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> By the way, the logo for the 'NETWORK' is made by me
[20:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> so it's a over-simplified vers. of the famous mountain
[20:26:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> so non-copyrighted
[20:30:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] I thought ur wiki was about religions represented by ur dragon avatar
[20:30:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Where do these parody of media corporations fit in with it?
[20:31:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Well, FurrNations is like Wikipedia
[20:32:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> (the difference, people can do it's own nations, brands based of irl or whatever)
[20:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> It pretends to be like an species of MicroWiki (micronationalist wiki) but ran by furries
[20:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I'm not sure if I explain well.
[20:33:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> @ghaztliousmoths
[20:33:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> You did not need to ping me
[20:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Also, has it own Wikimedia Foundation https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/FurrNations_Foundation
[20:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Friday Night Funkin
[20:34:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Intentionally? I don't think so
[20:35:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> FurrNations Wiki Foundation? FNWF?+
[20:35:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Five Nights With Freddy
[20:36:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> It pretends to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation
[20:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Ik what the foundation is
[20:37:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] I just find amusement in putting in words that fit the abbreviation
[20:38:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Also I need ideas for the logo of the FurrNations Wiki
[20:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I thinked into a 🐱 paw playing with the 🌍 as a wool.
[20:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> but probably is too generic
[20:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> good news: I gave up on html and just did the {{!}} thing and it works yayyyy
[20:42:18] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:! 
[20:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> thank u legroom for putting up with my insanity
[20:42:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Yay
[20:42:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> glad it worked lol
[20:43:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I have problems with the Wikipedia's citating template
[20:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thelilacdragon.> you've been told to try simpler version couple of times already
[20:43:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> look
[20:43:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's not a lot of folks working w/ Lua
[20:44:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Wikipedia do their shit w/ Lua because of how huge and diverse they're
[20:44:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but they have folks who code and maintain that
[20:44:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to thelilacdragon.> Use the one from Pikipedia
[20:44:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Or just use <ref>
[20:44:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to ghaztliousmoths> Pikipedia?
[20:45:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Pikmin Wiki
[20:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> indie Pikmin wiki
[20:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to ghaztliousmoths> link?
[20:45:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> One sec
[20:46:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] They have 3 different ones, tho Cite Web is the more general purpose one
[20:46:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] https://www.pikminwiki.com/Category:Citation_templates
[20:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> damn weren't they using Timeless for mobile mode before?
[20:47:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Yea
[20:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> oh I like how they make news
[20:49:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> w/ type labels
[20:53:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Also, a question
[20:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> nvm
[20:58:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I try use this for the Featured
[20:58:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://www.pikminwiki.com/Template:Titled_box
[20:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> if it cames wrong then...
[21:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I'm not sure if is the correct temp
[21:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Titled_box
[21:00:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> but I imported it
[21:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> It's because it uses a class for the css elements
[21:09:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> which is
[21:09:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256718197483114596/image.png?ex=6681c986&is=66807806&hm=53fe4f13d3f9dc8a013c47886d99025cb1cf01670ae422db29f757c34d84fde3&
[21:09:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> That's how it goes...
[21:09:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256718306199736450/image.png?ex=6681c9a0&is=66807820&hm=f6172dcc5cbcb50070bdef5e868dfef5545f594547e7d3620b0d1f9687889c69&
[21:10:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> to my headache to replicate this
[21:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Understand?
[21:10:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Yea
[21:11:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> I'm gonna snooze so imma just let you figure out which one of the many css pages on Pikipedia has the class for Titled Box
[21:12:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Ok
[21:17:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> or probably I'll end up give up on the wiki
[21:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> because I can't compete with MicroWiki
[21:18:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If you give up on a wiki because you can’t make the home page look like Wikipedia
[21:18:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you’re doing it for the wrong reasons imo
[21:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to pixldev> It's what i sais
[21:19:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> because it's so hard
[21:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I've tried with this template for the Featured thing
[21:19:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://www.pikminwiki.com/Template:Titled_box
[21:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and it looks a bit um ugly on my wiki
[21:21:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> There's other way? @pixldev
[21:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Because I'm with that since February 28th
[21:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> My advice?
[21:26:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if this is in the way of you actually writing a wiki
[21:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> dont do it
[21:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Okay
[21:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> My head hurts trying out how to manage to reach that
[21:29:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> (literally)
[21:29:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Ye
[21:29:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] I haven't bothered making the Kinder World Wiki look more presentable yet cuz I don't think it has enough content covered for me to put it to the next step
[21:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> That's Wikipedia css.
[21:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [1/27] `<noinclude>{{SHORTDESC:Main page of the English Wikipedia}}/noinclude<templatestyles src="Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css" />
[21:30:49] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SHORTDESC:Template:Main_page_of_the_English_Wikipedia 
[21:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [2/27] <div id="mp-topbanner" class="mp-box">
[21:30:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [3/27] <div id="mp-welcomecount">
[21:30:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [4/27] <div id="mp-welcome"><h1>Welcome to [[Wikipedia]]/h1,/div
[21:30:50] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia
[21:30:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [5/27] <div id="mp-free">the [[free content|free]] [[encyclopedia]] that [[Help:Introduction to Wikipedia|anyone can edit]]./div
[21:30:50] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/free_content https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/encyclopedia https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_Wikipedia
[21:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [6/27] <div id="articlecount">[[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles in [[English language|English]]/div
[21:30:51] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:NUMBEROFARTICLES https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/English_language
[21:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [7/27] /div
[21:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [8/27] /div
[21:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [9/27] {{#if:{{Main Page banner}}|
[21:30:51] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23if:Template:%7b%7bMain_Page_banner 
[21:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [10/27] <div id="mp-banner" class="MainPageBG mp-box">
[21:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [11/27] {{Main Page banner}}
[21:30:53] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page_banner 
[21:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [12/27] /div
[21:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [13/27] }}
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[21:30:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [15/27] <div id="mp-left" class="MainPageBG mp-box">
[21:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [16/27] <h2 id="mp-tfa-h2" class="mp-h2">{{#ifexpr:{{formatnum:{{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{#time:F j, Y}}}}|R}}>150|From today's featured article|Featured article <span class="mp-later">(Check back later for today's.)/span}}/h2
[21:30:55] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifexpr:Template:%7b%7bformatnum:%7b%7bPAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/%7b%7b%23time:F_j%2c_Y 
[21:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [17/27] <div id="mp-tfa" class="mp-contains-float">{{#ifexpr:{{formatnum:{{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{#time:F j, Y}}}}|R}}>150|{{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{#time:F j, Y}}}}|{{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{#time:F j, Y|-1 day}}}}}}/div
[21:30:55] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifexpr:Template:%7b%7bformatnum:%7b%7bPAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/%7b%7b%23time:F_j%2c_Y 
[21:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [18/27] <h2 id="mp-dyk-h2" class="mp-h2">Did you know&nbsp;.../h2
[21:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [19/27] <div id="mp-dyk" class="mp-contains-float">{{Did you know}}/div
[21:30:56] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know 
[21:30:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [20/27] /div
[21:30:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [21/27] <div id="mp-right" class="MainPageBG mp-box">
[21:30:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [22/27] <h2 id="mp-itn-h2" class="mp-h2">In the news/h2
[21:30:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [23/27] <div id="mp-itn" class="mp-contains-float">{{In the news}}/div
[21:30:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:In_the_news 
[21:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [24/27] <h2 id="mp-otd-h2" class="mp-h2">On this day/h2
[21:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [25/27] <div id="mp-otd" class="mp-contains-float">{{Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/{{#time:F j}}}}/div
[21:30:59] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template:Selected_anniversaries/%7b%7b%23time:F_j 
[21:31:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [26/27] /div
[21:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [27/27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256723574832762910/message.txt?ex=6681ce89&is=66807d09&hm=26027fd6134453e3857d57ec9bd4412bcfc603b66f5755ba0f293fbde0969c7d&
[21:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia>
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[21:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/4] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SHORTDESC:Main_page_of_the_English_Wikipedia?action=edit&redlink=1>
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[21:31:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/4] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Did_you_know?action=edit&redlink=1>
[21:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [4/4] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/In_the_news?action=edit&redlink=1>
[21:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [1/19] /div
[21:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [2/19] <!-- IF MONDAY OR FRIDAY, SHOW TFL -->{{#switch:{{CURRENTDAYNAME}}|Monday|Friday=
[21:31:09] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23switch:Template:%7b%7bCURRENTDAYNAME 
[21:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [3/19] <div id="mp-middle" class="MainPageBG mp-box">
[21:31:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [4/19] <h2 id="mp-tfl-h2" class="mp-h2">From today's featured list/h2
[21:31:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [5/19] <div id="mp-tfl" class="mp-contains-float">{{#ifexist:Wikipedia:Today's featured list/{{#time:F j, Y}}|{{Wikipedia:Today's featured list/{{#time:F j, Y}}}}|{{TFLempty}}}}/div
[21:31:10] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifexist:Template:Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_list/%7b%7b%23time:F_j%2c_Y 
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[21:31:11] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifexist:Template:Template:POTD_protected/%7b%7b%23time:Y-m-d 
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[21:31:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [12/19] <h2 id="mp-other" class="mp-h2">Other areas of Wikipedia/h2
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[21:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [14/19] <h2 id="mp-sister" class="mp-h2">Wikipedia's sister projects/h2
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[21:31:14] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia%27s_sister_projects 
[21:31:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [16/19] <h2 id="mp-lang" class="mp-h2">Wikipedia languages/h2
[21:31:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [17/19] <div>{{Wikipedia languages}}/div
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[21:31:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [18/19] /div<noinclude>{{Main Page interwikis}}{{noexternallanglinks}}{{#if:{{Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow}}||}}/noincludeNOTOCNOEDITSECTION
[21:31:15] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page_interwikis 
[21:31:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [19/19] ``
[21:31:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/TFLempty?action=edit&redlink=1>
[21:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> For now, just use a single celled wikitable
[21:32:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Once you have the energy, you can look into the more complex stuff
[21:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256724711958773935/image.png?ex=6681cf98&is=66807e18&hm=c49164842a81bd84cb750cbbc6a7410ed267657f8c59a356888e6980b4361ff7&
[21:35:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> like this
[21:35:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Yea
[21:36:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Then in the future you can look to mimic how Wikipedia looks
[21:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> divs work well too, albeit i don’t know how to force them to anchor to the ldft/right
[21:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> or if it’s even possible
[21:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> anyway, or hiring staff
[21:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i would really recommend you start learning basic HTML and CSS before trying to transplant an entire websites CSS over - theres reasons why this CSS works and how it works in conjunction with the HTML and you really need to understand the basic building blocks first
[21:38:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> <https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_css.asp> w3schools is a great resource for learning HTML and CSS like this
[21:39:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Because I'm thinking off giving up and cancelling FurrNations, because I can't compete with my micronational rivalry: FurrNations in despise of well...
[21:39:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3, replying to thelilacdragon.> it’ll take time for communities to grow
[21:39:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I made FurrNations because I hate MicroWiki
[21:39:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to gl0v3> That is possible ^^
[21:40:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> im trying to start a wiki on my citys local history, only one other person has edited it so far
[21:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> mostly cause im lazy/busy with other stuff :P
[21:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> or anyways-
[21:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Let the main page as how is
[21:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> without the featured
[21:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/4] The usagi shima main page overtime
[21:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256726319295889439/Screenshot_20240629-223740_Chrome.png?ex=6681d117&is=66807f97&hm=a36dc594211f4ede035f089e32686960158cdda481269e653e4c7ca09907141d&
[21:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256726319706800148/Screenshot_20240629-223703_Chrome.png?ex=6681d117&is=66807f97&hm=e348483a7cfcd3917070d5d5717e6bb295575163ad7efda4c72942a149f7f896&
[21:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256726320063320075/Screenshot_20240629-223636_Chrome.png?ex=6681d117&is=66807f97&hm=c4b305f6d1c7c7ba677ae3a8002cafaeee30ced3e641fcb575e35f324ea7a8bf&
[21:41:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and etc..
[21:42:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> im the bureaucrat of a decently large wiki in MH terms but i would still do this anyway out of a love for wiki-ing and documentation
[21:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [1/2] im not 100% happy with PHWiki's homepage but this is what we have, its based heavily on Timeless
[21:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256726529124339722/image.png?ex=6681d149&is=66807fc9&hm=e6b9cbb4660a30737ea9c53b7e449d5d736ef4b51588ec8428a062ca35efc9ed&
[21:42:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [1/2] here's a page for example
[21:42:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256726578755407922/image.png?ex=6681d155&is=66807fd5&hm=49fb5ba4bd7ca15cb0c56e5d3ce850d03bb7df8deef91df40a22c64d103c63cf&
[21:43:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I'm so focused on people using FurrNations, but no one will use it because it's a mess
[21:44:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> That's why I opened to the public unfinished
[21:44:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i would focus on your content first
[21:44:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> make your content coherent and useful, css and etc can come later
[21:45:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] You only just started ^^
[21:45:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] If you feel like it, take a break from the wiki, and then come back with a list of content to add
[21:45:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3, replying to tedkalashnikov> omg that’s a beautiful layout
[21:45:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov, replying to gl0v3> thank you!
[21:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> its my pride and joy LOL
[21:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to tedkalashnikov> I had the content, furry micronational thingy, equivalent to micronational
[21:45:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> but I feel none or maybe a bit will use it
[21:46:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> it is entirely likely that noone will use your wiki, unfortunately, but why not focus on making it useful or interesting to yourself?
[21:46:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> it can just be a passion project, after all
[21:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to tedkalashnikov> [1/2] Stuff like this is why I love timeless sm 
[21:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to tedkalashnikov> [2/2] Timeless feels like it is used much more creatively than other skins
[21:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> :D
[21:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> timeless was the closest to what i wanted LOL hence why i used it as my base
[21:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> it feels more modern, as much as i love the traditional mediawiki look
[21:47:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> we migrated from fandom and one of the biggest compliments we get is on the site layout
[21:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Yea, it is absolutely stunning 
[21:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Cosmos and Vector skins are my least favourite skins cuz they are often used to mimic Wikipedia or Fandom
[21:49:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> yeahh
[21:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i use vector for a personal wiki and i like it there, but i think for most modern/public wikis you want something a bit more modern and interesting
[21:49:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> fandoms layout imo is just pure dogwater i cant stand it LOL
[21:49:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> i’m only using vector cause im a newb when it comes to web design and my wiki is designed to be a wikipedia-type site
[21:51:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> [1/2] god i gotta fix this homeoage at some point
[21:51:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gl0v3> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1256728793226285159/image.png?ex=6681d365&is=668081e5&hm=980a0312d062e61a44b6a51870c7d6c82c6faef3c8c3cbf9501df1ab82cbc41a&
[21:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [1/3] Also, FurrNations born in February 28th 2024, to whoever who belongs in the micronational community and has it's own furry nation would use it, as a place where it can be um... included and not marginated :ThinkerMH: 
[21:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [2/3] Also, despise of the um, an whole drama I have since December 2023, lead me to think to open that project, since MicroWiki has the worst staff/moderation due to protect information due to harassment means, I wouldn't like use on the Infobox officeholder my f*cking irl face because I'm uncomfortable since the drama (apart of this, because I was accused (with lies) of certain w
[21:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [3/3] ords like P and Z), but the MicroWiki staff started forcing me to use my face instead of a fucking furry character due to their abussive rules.
[21:52:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Apart the moderation on the server is so horrible
[21:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Aren't dragons scalies?
[21:53:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> yes
[21:54:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to thelilacdragon.> They banned me 2 times from the MicroWiki server due to the drama which involves lies about my individual, by "safeguarding reasons/issues" back in December 2023 and in 27-28 June 2024.
[21:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and the staff don't want unban me off.
[21:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Alright
[21:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> if you want to make your wiki, you should just make it, unfortunately its a pretty niche topic (within this circle, anyway) so you probably wont find anyone to help you with it here, unless you can find someone else in the micronation (?) community who feels the same way you do, you may as well just do it yourself
[21:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> make a wiki for your own needs, not out of spite
[21:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If you’re making a wiki out of spite you ain’t in for a fun ride
[21:57:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> yeahh it never tends to end well
[21:57:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Spite only works if there's passion involved
[21:57:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Otherwise that energy gunna drop
[21:58:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon., replying to tedkalashnikov> It will be difficult find someone on the micronation community because 50% of the community hates me because they've believed those lies and it's making my presence in Discord bad.
[21:58:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> like harassed and hated
[21:58:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> we unfortunately cant help with that, im sorry buddy
[21:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and people which I find out, ends believing those lies
[21:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> of I support paedophilia or zoophilia.
[21:59:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> (which I don't)
[21:59:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> They took my words too seriously
[22:00:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> and I don't am seriously with
[22:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Apart, they sign into my wiki, FurrNations to vandalize it
[22:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> 2 times happened
[22:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If people are vandalizing
[22:01:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ban them
[22:02:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ez
[22:02:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if they are vandalism spam only accounts
[22:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> let CVT so we can curb stomp them
[22:05:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> Users: BLANKEDDARREEL & Ihatepedos
[22:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> they are the ones who vandal FurrNations
[22:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to thelilacdragon.> Report them in #cvt if they vandal only
[22:06:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> ok
[22:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I'm probably thinking off changing the content which FurrNations focuses in.
[22:08:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> making it openly everyone
[22:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> the free furrworld encyclopedia.
[22:09:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If it’s a scope change it will need to be approved by stewards
[22:10:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> no, it's a content focus
[22:10:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> but I'll keep the worldbuilding
[22:12:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [1/2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_Wikipedia
[22:12:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> [2/2] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_FurrNations
[22:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> I made the article
[22:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> to help`on editing
[22:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> based on the original
[22:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thelilacdragon.> FurrNations Wiki (stylized shortly as or known as FurrNations)
[22:22:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tedkalashnikov> i need to ask this question again - will i see any issues if i request our wikis main path to be changed to `/` ? namely with SEO and whether previous links will redirect