[00:43:08] Yeah the website and service is branded as :miraheze: Miraheze, but legally we’re run by the :WikiTide: WikiTide Foundation, Inc [00:43:32] actually @notaracham are we still inc or did the IRS wake up and change it to just a foundation [00:44:10] thanks [00:44:52] Inc is actually an artifact of Idaho state requirements that won't be going away [00:45:27] hmm i see, neat [00:46:01] To clarify, Miraheze is a project operated by the WikiTide Foundation, we have some ideas on additional ventures that may have different names/brandings but MH is definitely our core focus for now. [00:46:02] hmm, shouldnt really have much legal issue tbh but it could potentially have, maybe just copyrighted material such as the samples themselves may not be hosted there? [00:48:52] Curse you Idaho…. [00:50:00] alright [01:15:27] @tag365plus Can't DM. I saw you editing Wizardry Wiki on its former host. Please edit on wiki.gg instead. 208 vs. 510. [02:32:03] <.florigon> [1/2] Hey im getting an error when trying to create a page with the page forms extension. Wanted to post here in case its something obvious before making a ticket: [02:32:03] <.florigon> [2/2] [32fefac62ee6900fc7b19428] 2024-11-03 02:30:18: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" [02:32:31] <.florigon> Its my first time using this extension, so maybe im doing something wrong [02:35:25] <.florigon> [1/2] Heres the form: https://sickscience.miraheze.org/wiki/Form:Study [02:35:25] <.florigon> [2/2] (Feel free to test making a page) [02:37:37] <.florigon, replying to notaracham> Ive been out of the loop for a while. Are there paid employees now? [02:48:25] I wish [02:48:32] but the donations aren’t there yet [02:48:38] The plan is for paid staff eventually [02:49:11] Indeed but iirc, we’re still registered with the IRS as “WikiTide, Incorporated” [02:49:15] wrongly [02:49:18] [1/2] im trying to help the owner of the domain connect it to our wiki. But tbh i have no literally 0 clue about these types of things and their unsure too. What looks wrong here? [trying to point Vyletpony.miraheze.org to Vylet.wiki] [02:49:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302464594769481791/image.png?ex=6728362e&is=6726e4ae&hm=5931bb47db5132fcae05f11903456c2cf1342d675904a35e4b51e10c208235d6& [02:49:51] dexterfam2010: you can't CNAME @ unfortunately [02:50:18] you can either use ANAME/ALIAS records if provided by the nameserver, or point your nameservers to miraheze's [02:54:47] <.florigon, replying to .florigon> Ok, i tried making a template with CreateTemplate instead of CreateClass, and now it works [02:55:21] <.florigon, replying to agentisai> Ah ok, well thanks for still keeping this place running [02:55:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302466160452829264/image.png?ex=672837a3&is=6726e623&hm=cd39828d75ed8c65d83af68c9dc1c24cd9f9955eb73851f455572c3051843218& [02:55:48] welp, that sucks [02:55:57] probably will have to point the nameservers to miraheze's then [02:56:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains#:~:text=Pointing%20the%20nameservers,this). [02:59:50] <.florigon> Wait why do they need ANAME and not CNAME? I thought thats what you need for subdomains [03:01:07] .florigon: wait, you're doing a subdomain? [03:01:11] <.florigon> Oh theyre not doing a subdomain nvm [03:01:13] oh nvm [03:01:19] and i didn't check usernames lol [03:27:14] ah alright, thanks for the help [03:28:57] <.labster> IPv6 DNS records always seem so excited [05:05:04] Tech team creeping in on my color [05:05:05] :BanCatMH: [05:05:29] woah its labster [05:05:31] hi labster [05:18:04] friendly reminder that publictestwiki.com expires on january 8th and I would like to not renew it [05:18:06] a:SilvervaleThisIsFines: [05:20:39] @cosmicalpha your call [05:20:49] sadly we don't own testwiki.org anymore \:( [05:25:57] someone needs to make mirabees as a bland-name [05:51:53] I submitted a custom domain name in FreeDNS and I'm trying to hook it up to my Miraheze wiki, usually how long does it take to accept it? [06:41:20] [1/2] I'm the moderator on a Miraheze wiki, and one of our users is getting this message whenever they try to upload a file [06:41:20] [2/2] [d403a08dbd9c879423d6092a] 2024-11-02 17:54:58: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" [06:41:39] they were specifically trying to upload an audio file, if that makes a difference [06:49:21] i'm knee deep in some other work right now, but report that on phorge and (hopefully) someone will get to it (eventually) [06:58:50] i just want to make sure I put the ticket in the right place, can you link me to where i can report this? [07:16:41] [1/2] [[phorge]], report bug button [07:16:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge [07:16:41] [2/2] you gotta "login w/ mediawiki" [07:16:42]

[07:30:14] [1/4] My custom URL has been taken in pity by Miraheze and isn't even displaying it, it's displaying the damn thing only on the Miraheze domain! [07:30:14] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302535292640825416/Screenshot_20241103_002630.png?ex=67287805&is=67272685&hm=611e848f24223679b38af720eca2bb44e382523ec1ae4ded4739eacbdd62c1bb& [07:30:14] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302535293131554846/Screenshot_20241103_002715_Firefox.png?ex=67287805&is=67272685&hm=ec83160b3da213f8eab87b739bac1ae7ca7ce376e10fa77acecd33186813f21b& [07:30:15] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302535293651517471/Screenshot_20241103_002821.png?ex=67287805&is=67272685&hm=770b635fb2a88e76625cc7a7ca0d37a5b2733596fb084bc2bbf54a06c62363d5& [07:56:20] maybe wait?? [08:40:02] When did you request it? [08:40:37] Around the time of sending this message [08:41:00] @tehblueangel404 I'm assuming your request hasn't actually been approved then yet [08:42:58] Its still pending [08:43:16] Please remember we're all volunteers and consider your tone. [09:07:04] this close 🤏 from making a "tap the sign" images [10:09:44] What's the standard programming language to use in the Source Code Editor? JavaScript? [10:12:21] Wikitext [10:12:53] CSS and JS if you decorate the wiki [10:13:50] Some extensions use XML like Infobox [10:16:48] wiki text is like markdown [10:17:10] if by programming you mean template coding, this is wiki text + parser functions [10:17:45] MediaWiki also supports Lua, actual programming language, on pages w/ Module: prefix [10:23:14] [1/3] source code editor is editor, just like notepad++ [10:23:14] [2/3] what MediaWiki supports and what it renders are whole other things [10:23:14] [3/3] you can change model of a page to plain text and this way no code will work, it's just gonna be all raw text [10:24:39] you can change page model to sanitized CSS and the result would be the usual styling sheet, which needs nothing else but CSS code [10:24:41] someone should make a lua + wikitext polyglot [10:29:45] [1/3] is there a way to change the text that appears in the marked area when ex. searching up the site or sending it to people on discord? [10:29:45] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302580471753867275/IMG_20241103_112736.jpg?ex=6728a219&is=67275099&hm=e5e7e1ca7ef8924af862c3fbc0ffdb4049491af6a634d64d7d9752abb35059b2& [10:29:46] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302580472122970112/IMG_20241103_112817.jpg?ex=6728a219&is=67275099&hm=dca2433cf944ccb6b87d46db03cb2e61e5dcf99b1a389f584272faa839986e08& [10:45:44] [1/3] a) force manual description w/ [[mw:Extension:WikiSEO]] syntax, read the documentation [10:45:44] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSEO [10:45:45] [2/3] b) enable TextExtract extension and in Additional wiki settings > SEO check the box related to it, I don't remember which exactly tho [10:45:45] [3/3] bear in mind that Google is fucking jerk, it might take quite some time for it to update description [10:45:45]

[11:17:48] if i wanted to force description with wikiSEO how would i do that? can't find any info on it no clue where to find info about it [11:20:10] <_changezi_, replying to thesprawlingidiot> ```{{#seo:|description="Your description here"}}``` [11:20:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23seo:Template: [11:20:34] oh i just put it in the source code [11:20:40] <_changezi_, replying to thesprawlingidiot> Yeap [11:20:44] makes sense [11:26:31] hello [11:51:03] hi [11:51:52] user disconnected btw [12:01:28] Anyone know how to change the color of a link specifically? [12:01:57] Like I want it to appear in white thanks to one template without touching the others [12:10:09] Do you mean a single one on a specific page, or links in general on your wiki? [12:11:43] Well, I'll show you [12:12:40] I would like to use this template to display a specific link in white. [12:12:46] https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:C [12:13:05] I tried with a span, but it doesn't work anymore [12:20:48] [1/2] Is this what you tried? [12:20:48] [2/2] `[[Page name| https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_name [12:25:48] yes [12:25:51] it worked before [12:28:11] link is `a`, not plain text [12:28:14] I guess [12:28:41] probably because a page had a display title with colour? [12:29:06] [1/2] make a special class for this template, like `example`, and in css make [12:29:06] [2/2] `.example a { color: white !important; }` [12:29:25] probably better w/ TemplateStyles or CSS [12:30:47] [1/2] and template gonna be like [12:30:47] [2/2] `[[{{{1}}}{{#if: {{{2|}}}|{{!}}{{{2|}}}}}]]/span` [12:30:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7b1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%7b%7b%7b1%7d%7d%7d%7b%7b#if:_%7b%7b%7b2 [12:31:12] `{{example|page|link text is optional}}` [12:31:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:example [12:32:51] bear in mind tho, there are also `:hover` and `:visited` variants, you can make them all white or give different colors, otherwise they'll fall back to whatever is set for links by custom or default CSS [12:41:12] will try that [12:41:52] I worked, thanks [12:50:10] np :pupCoffeeMH: [14:00:44] [1/2] Assuming a user's account is compromised, which team within Miraheze should they contact for help? [14:00:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1302633565359702078/400907388716318721.webp?ex=6728d38b&is=6727820b&hm=58b4cbf219f72ed1bb4ec5438cec5fe370c280dc3ceb2053cd15f9f8ce8b0f5d& [14:01:11] DM me please [14:24:55] I'm not sure if you misunderstood me. This is just a hypothetical question because I want to include this potentially useful information on the help page of my wiki.😀 [14:25:44] CVT to request the account be locked, T&S control account recovery [14:25:56] I thought you had an actual compromised account you wanted dealing with [14:40:33] Haha. Thanks for your response:pupCoffeeMH:. [15:11:01] I thought it was tech [15:14:28] Tech do the work but T&S own the risk and decision [15:24:13] I forgot the name of one of my wiki's pages. [15:24:21] Is it possible for me to find it? [15:25:11] idk if Special:Contributions would help [15:26:44] Yes. [15:26:52] I found it through that page. [15:26:54] Thanks. [15:37:21] There is also `Special:AllPages` if needed for another time, I geuss the name should be pretty self explanatory 😉 [16:17:04] Friendly personal reminder to our eligible American friends to invoke your civic right and duty and cast your vote today or on Tuesday if you haven’t, having two crappy candidates doesn’t mean voting for neither is the way to go 🙂 there are plenty of resources out there if you need them [16:35:32] Okay, so if you can't create elements using CSS, because you can only style elements using it, is there some site that explains how to create Link Buttons, Drop-downs, and that kind of stuff using Wikitext? [16:49:40] You can mark a table as sortable [16:49:50] You don't need to add any css [16:50:50] CSS is exactly for styling and nothing else ... [16:51:01] you don't program w/ it [16:51:14] you just code it to make things look nice [17:01:37] So how are you supposed to create a button and make it a link? [17:01:48] With Wikitext? [17:04:07] HTML [17:04:21] CSS complements it [17:04:35] Friendly reminder to not bother if youre voting trump 😛 [17:05:12] Mediawiki supports the button html tag [17:05:25] it does?? [17:05:29] Yes [17:05:30] damn [17:05:36] lol [17:05:56] I've been span/div'ing my way all these years [17:06:11] Hahahah, yeah ifs always been supported [17:06:13] images I use on my wiki need either permission by the copyright holder or need to be published for common use right? [17:06:29] They also provide the mw-ui-button class or something to style it properly [17:06:49] (But its recommended to just use `cdx-button` now instead) [17:07:18] Yes and no. A lot of stuff will fall under Fair Use and you can use it without the copyright holders permission. [17:07:47] thing is you should indicate that on file page aka image description [17:07:57] license templates are used for that [17:08:09] Ie screenshots from games, tv shows etc are almost always fair use [17:08:13] source and credits in descriptions are a must too [17:09:09] since my wiki is for a fantasy project of mine I mainly wanted to use art but art is quite heavily protected by copyright no? [17:09:14] that is obvious [17:09:34] Art is probably more tricky, it depends what you are doing with it [17:09:40] your arts? [17:09:47] On a personal level I agree, but voting is every American’s right [17:09:50] no not my art thats why I'm asking [17:09:58] my art is obviously fine [17:10:15] mainly just for descriptive purposes [17:12:57] i.e. pinterest art for example, but pinterest art is often not posted by the original copyright holder [17:14:18] pinterest my behated [17:14:44] Copyright is a very complex topic and none of us are experts. My advise would be that if you can get the copyright holders permission, great. In absence of that, just put the source in the description and if the author finds it and has an issue with it, they can submit a DMCA to have it removed. [17:14:56] I see [17:15:05] I suppose that is a good option [17:15:36] also you mentioned license template earlier, is there a default one available? [17:17:16] I recall Dev Wiki should have them, lemme check [17:19:21] ok, it does, but they look pathetic lol [17:19:56] I mean I don't really need one as long as I put the important information in the description of the image page right? [17:20:21] well, you can type licensing conditions manually too [17:21:39] I personally base my templates on Fandom's ones (since they came w/ wiki dumps and are simple, essentially), and add automatic categorization to them [17:22:01] [17:22:37] [17:24:50] from Dev Wiki you can import templates directly btw [17:41:05] thanks a bunch [17:42:15] The author can submit a DCMA if they have an issue is bad advice from a legal perspective [17:42:32] I'm not sure @serverlessharej will concur [17:48:55] I don’t recommend filing DMCA takedown requests unless you are the rights holder [17:50:09] @serverlessharej that's not the question [17:50:40] The question is should we be encouraging wikis to just credit things and not properly check fair use and just hope the copyright owner doesn't notice [17:50:47] Which is what was suggested [17:51:20] in an ideal scenario, preferably not [17:52:15] I think attribution is a good idea in principle. As far as policy goes, the main thing is that copyrighted files should be used with fair use in mind, and if you over-do it your wiki may be seen as a filehost [17:52:22] In any scenario, not. If fair use doesn't apply, you can't post it. You should be checking fair use applies or it's appropriately licensed / copyleft. [17:52:34] We don't expect you to fully understand fair use [17:52:50] But there should be at least some attempt to see if it's fair use and claiming you think it's fair use [17:53:04] also [17:53:13] fair use is a legal defense, rather than the "norm" [17:53:31] It's not a defense [17:53:42] It's more an exemption [17:53:48] it's both [18:07:47] That wasnt what was suggested in the slightest [18:08:05] That was my advice if they couldnt contact they copyrights holder, which was what i initially suggested [18:33:15] Are wikis documenting the ongoings of a Discord server acceptable or is it too narrow in scope? I didn’t find anything against it in the rules, but I’m not sure if Miraheze is willing to host those types of wikis considering how narrow in scope they are. I’d also imagine a lot of projects like that are forefronted by children and quickly abandoned, being a waste of wiki space. [18:34:55] I think there are a few wikis that do document lore from a discord server [18:35:05] Why do so many people want to make wikis for discords?? [18:36:30] Yes, currently, we do allow them [18:36:33] It’s a communal thing, at least for my people. Also after so many years there’s the desire to have an organized collection of information to be able to look back on and draw accurate information from. [18:36:55]