[00:14:12] Where Miraheze was physically located pre-2024 [00:15:12] SSSLC? [00:15:15] swimming in so much cash that now we can do bailouts like that without falling apart [00:15:24] SCSVG [00:15:30] Idaho's nice, you really get the impression you're in the middle of nowhere, like a video game [00:15:30] huh [00:15:50] Northern Idaho has lakes and mountains, very beautiful. Southern Idaho smells bad. [00:16:08] i can look out of my window into the dense of a forest [00:16:19] I didn't know where you lived still had forests [00:16:44] its not middle of nowhere but its nice to walk through [00:16:59] ill find a not doxxing way of showing later [00:20:15] @felenov oi when you do translations do you gender the noun miraheze masc or fem [00:20:25] just noticed i wasnt sure [00:21:06] currently going with Miraheze as masc and WikiTide Foundation fem i think? [00:24:19] that isn't a private thing [00:26:40] why gender it? [00:27:10] im going to ask if thats a /srs or a /sar before answering [00:27:17] but I suppose you should follow whatever gender “wiki farm” or “foundation” is in Portuguese [00:27:23] which, if it’s like Spanish, would be feminine [00:29:14] yeah i already went through this on the gender of wiki [00:29:24] ima go with masc for miraheze [00:29:28] i asked pixlmama [00:29:41] she gave a "well ends with e so 🤷‍♀️ " [00:30:09] El Miraheze [00:30:33] do you gender wiki masc or fem also [00:30:43] i made up my mind before but need to check [00:31:07] O Miraheze [00:31:17] I try to avoid gendering it as I don’t see a need [00:31:18] fem and sometimes masc [00:31:40] same but supposedly the correct form is masculine [00:31:49] I got corrected for it on translatewiki [00:32:00] take it up with john latin [00:32:11] Espaniol Espania [00:32:15] i thought it was fem ngl [00:33:37] we used to accept bitcoin [00:34:20] Well I mean, I never see a need to directly refer to “The Miraheze” [00:35:20] not how it works sadly [00:35:32] yes but someone raised an objection and no one cared to debate about it [00:36:52] who [00:37:03] we don't know yet [00:38:28] This was like two, three years ago [00:38:38] I don’t remember where the complaint was raised [00:49:21] <.labster> It could have been me who objected; as a meteorologist I prefer currency that doesn’t ruin the environment. [00:51:32] El Miraheze; La Miraheza [00:51:41] Los Mirahezos [01:29:07] Los mirahecitos [01:29:13] Las mirahecitas [01:29:26] Yo mirahecé, tu mirahezarás. [01:30:32] Vosotros miraheraís [01:46:59] We’re trying to fork a wiki about a game from Fandom but there’s already an existing wiki about said game. However it’s not forked from Fandom, has a low editorbase (like one person) and is lacking a lot of info. Is it still possible that we can get a wiki submission accepted in this case? [01:48:17] cc @reception123 @notaracham ^^ [01:48:28] As a former Steward, I’d say yes [02:11:25] As never has been a Steward, I'd say the best course of action is to contact the Mira wiki and try to use that, importing in the fandom one if its large enough and joining forces [02:11:57] In that case I'm surprised you haven't objected more to using OpenAI [02:12:47] mucho miraheze [02:12:56] by the described parameters, I’d assume the wiki is rather inactive and small [02:13:09] I didn’t ask for more info because that’s for a Steward to evaluate \:P [02:13:21] Yeah, but there is still one active editor apparently [02:13:34] and having two wikis is messy and bad for SEO [02:15:30] activity wasn’t mentioned [02:15:44] hence the default assumption, it has almost no activity [02:16:05] oh [02:16:07] fair fair [02:19:35] <.labster, replying to pixldev> Sam Altman needs our money [02:21:24] Sam Altman can kiss my ass he's like Elon, takes the money and the credit, what did he do to develop the tech besides cash [02:22:12] <.labster> AI chatbots solve problems, at least in theory. Bitcoin is literally lighting mountains of coal on fire to solve problems already solved for 0.1% of the energy by banks, except it also enables crime. [02:22:34] Speak not ill of our AI overlord lest you be punished [02:22:56] <.labster> Roko’s Basilisk moment [02:44:15] LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER [02:44:22] Los mirahezeros [02:49:24] <.labster> Viva Zapata, viva Los Mirahezeros! [02:50:57] Can confirm there is no activity. The wiki has not received edits in over 30 days. [02:51:44] I’d search deeper afaik that’s not easily doable [02:52:19] <.labster> You can change the URL from 30 to 90 days [02:52:52] huh. Wonder why 100 didn’t work. [02:53:07] Yeah no edits for 90 days. [02:54:30] <.labster> Yeah, that’s abandoned. Have you tried asking the local admin for admin/bureaucrat? [02:55:53] No [02:57:19] However I really don’t want to go through that route? I’m working with a bunch of staff from the wiki we want to fork and we’d rather get a fresh clean wiki instead of possibly waiting for months for a response. [02:58:24] <.labster> Do you need that wiki's URL? [02:59:10] <.labster> We wouldn't wait months for a response in this case anyway. [02:59:26] No [03:00:31] [1/2] if we point the nameservers to miraheze, will having to update the dns records be a common thing or will it run smoothly after we have everything figured out? [03:00:31] [2/2] And also, is there anything that has to be done after we send in the request with the name servers already pointing to miraheze? [03:01:19] <.labster> I don't think I've ever had to update the DNS settings on my own wiki after I configured it the first time. [03:01:36] <.labster> Which was 9 years ago. [03:03:59] ATT? [03:04:22] <.labster, replying to meep567> I would go ahead and send in the wiki creation request, and mention this. You're looking to move a whole community and want to get started, and that the other wiki has been inactive for 90 days so you want to start clean. I'm not a wiki creator, but if you explain why you want an exception to policy using clear language you're likely to get it. [03:04:58] <.labster> Unless you talk about how admin X is a poopyhead and therefore you want your own fork -- those request usually fail for some reason [03:05:16] Wonder why [03:14:07] is there any general estimate for how long getting a custom domain request reviewed will take? [03:19:07] The custom domain request for my wiki took about a week or two [03:20:23] I’ve seen it be shorter. Within the time we were waiting for the custom domain request, a lot of domains were requested and completed. I guess it varies on the domain? [03:20:49] that makes sense, thanks for the response! [03:21:17] Nah, it depends more on MacFan tech team availability [03:21:28] lol that makes sense too [03:21:35] I usually can get custom domain requests resolved pretty quickley [03:22:26] Even more so now that I have DNS access and therefore no longer rely on the availability of the rest of the team to merge PRs [03:22:42] good to know, thank you for the help all of yall [03:26:15] Hey guys. New to the community ! Making a wiki for my faction in the video game Starbase. If anyone has similar Video game guilds public wiki I could inspire myself. Let me know. [03:26:51] If i want to ask general questions. would I post in support. It seems a bit too formal for something simple. [03:28:39] [1/2] You could ask your questions here [03:28:40] [2/2] -# Here’s a tip. You’d know this if you read the channel description lol. [03:28:58] Quick questions are fine for general, complicated questions are better suited to support [03:29:05] sorry where are the channel descriptions. [03:29:16] Im used to just going on frtiends discord with not much too it [03:29:26] macfan mi patrona [03:29:36] really sorry to be such annoying noob. [03:29:50] Not a worry, glad to have you here! [03:30:11] ah #info-and-rules this one [03:30:22] we ain't like other servers that shame you if you don't know [03:30:38] On mobile, you can tap the channel name, the description will be slightly below it [03:30:39] Mind if I ask if you're on phone or desktop? [03:30:44] This is written so small haha... [03:30:56] Im fine i found it. i didn't think that rules would be about this [03:30:58] Im pc [03:31:28] Yeah, then it should be just to the right of the channel name at top of pane [03:31:51] Okay well. my question. i have been doing some chatgpt and googling. The normal viewer who would find my linke would be a user? [03:32:23] Chat gpt says anonymous User. But i dont see this in the special:permissions [03:32:49] Logged out is everyone (*), those who sign in to a Miraheze account and visit would be users [03:33:21] [1/2] I don't see that role [03:33:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304287621652025354/image.png?ex=672ed801&is=672d8681&hm=0bc8e050bc093cc6b7965b644b265a86a5ca1bcc3ac6b48a3ce9629b0fb332a2& [03:33:33] (everyone) [03:33:39] Oh i see [03:34:00] The (everyone) role is equivalent to anonymous users that aren't logged in [03:34:14] Should everyone. be able to Click a link in my discord to the main page. and be able to click the links in the main page to other pages? [03:34:25] My friend got an error message [03:34:33] would sharing my wiki help? [03:34:42] 👍 [03:34:43] https://centralauthorityagency.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [03:34:57] Not ready for critique. just general help on this one. [03:35:08] I click the link and everything is gud [03:35:11] weird [03:35:20] okay so if u click on rando pages it all works [03:35:23] thats good [03:35:42] sippy [03:35:47] Ive been working at learning the code formating. Chat gpt is a big helper [03:35:55] What is sippy lol? a person? [03:36:11] si is yes in spanish [03:36:14] sippy [03:36:15] Oh lol [03:36:19] iM french [03:36:45] Cool thanks. Well, this has been really nice website for me to gather my Origin notes in. [03:37:16] Again if anyone has a GUild like wiki that would like to share. I would love to inspire myself with whats possible. Format wise. learning new things every day [03:37:23] Really appreciate everyone 🙂 [03:38:50] I'll recommend switching to 2010 Vector or Monobook. Vector 2022 is kinda a PITA customizing, and remember "If you are customizing a skin, please use the skin's .css page" [03:39:49] oh boy [03:39:53] SOrry dumb that down [03:40:09] ? [03:40:21] Switching the look of my wiki? [03:40:46] simplify lol [03:41:16] yes [03:41:27] This isn't the best advice for starting out, feel free to disregard until you've got your wiki sea legs [03:41:42] so thats in settings? right now its called what and what do you suggest? [03:41:51] I agree but i am okay with learning. [03:42:26] is a MediaWiki: page [03:42:41] styling? [03:42:43] to customize you need to use CSS [03:42:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304289995963629618/image.png?ex=672eda37&is=672d88b7&hm=b239d6f8c23cf98e65dba9b5484c4bc6aa48a34c6ea640a12c21f054f21503e6& [03:42:56] no [03:43:08] [[MediaWiki:Vector-2022.css]] [03:43:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-2022.css [03:43:09] [03:43:58] this is like when i try to teach my dad how to play a video game lol [03:44:00] ok not that, just enter in you address bar, https://centralauthorityagency.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-2022.css [03:44:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304290425988976681/image.png?ex=672eda9e&is=672d891e&hm=f67daf4fc0bad4ae5cd0156f05579c641964b921ed7aa9796fa404e2330a79d1& [03:44:49] maybe my friend is correct. Lets leave that for later haha. [03:44:53] Im sure its very simple [03:45:00] our friend [03:45:22] you put CSS in there https://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp [03:45:37] I don't know waht css stands for yet haha. Im that new. [03:45:47] i appreciate it [03:45:58] i started 2 days ago [03:46:05] 0 coding experience [03:46:07] Cascading Style Sheets [03:46:24] Yep, so skins are how you change the layout of your wiki - how folks interact with it to reach things. [03:46:35] but really CSS isn't a programming lang [03:46:38] I think ill leave the skins for later. No one can see it [03:46:43] CSS is how you further customize how it looks [03:46:57] No i jsut mean i don't know the lingo yet 😛 [03:47:33] Im going to go back to my work. Ill inform myself more on this. right now i jsut wanted to test out how a wiki would work [03:47:55] Still working on how a corporate republic would actual function:P [03:48:20] LEarning a lot of stuff on corporations and how parlmentary systems are formed [03:48:50] Again much appreciated [03:48:55] https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-im-out-bye-gif-14304356 [03:50:38] Absolutely, check back as needed, there's a learning curve but plenty of folks to help. [03:51:11] I just wanted to show a friend what ive done. But they said they had an error. But its probably user error [03:51:25] Now it works! [03:52:29] idk what happened, but well. MediaWiki being drunk [04:09:09] <.guardianx., replying to archandriel> [1/2] I found this to be super helpful for CSS using vector: [04:09:10] <.guardianx., replying to archandriel> [2/2] https://www.hostknox.com/knowledgebase/680/How-to-make-CSS-modifications-in-MediaWiki.html [04:10:03] <.guardianx.> well, using most the Wikimedia skins available [04:11:23] <.guardianx.> Also, if you are super green to CSS, ask AI...it's so nice for getting your first steps going or even if you are me and just forget what is what because I never CSS LoL [04:15:10] [1/2] am i hallucinating or. [04:15:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304298143088644167/2024-11-07-21-42-49.mp4?ex=672ee1ce&is=672d904e&hm=644a51d93d467001efdeb9ba09c3532d938f7b1d45d080ab606b8200942e21b9& [04:15:20] <.guardianx.> [1/2] Also also...lol...changes to CSS on a wiki sometimes take a bit to refresh, I just pop a private window and try looking there. [04:15:20] <.guardianx.> [2/2] I had an issue where I was looking at old syles I replaced even after refreshing, cache refreshing, AND purging the page I was looking at...but everyone else could see my changes >< [04:15:27] Why does this have an animation now. [04:15:38] i thiught it always had an animation [04:15:47] I'm genuinely tweaking. [04:16:02] Grabs Pixldev [04:16:06] @pixldev [04:16:07] Dev [04:16:19] hi taival [04:16:31] (im not sure where in your name to cut off) [04:16:38] Am I genuinely tweaking. [04:16:49] Since I never seen this before in my life [04:16:51] give me a sec [04:16:59] The animation- on the slide- [04:17:02] [[SAL]] [04:17:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SAL [04:17:03] [04:17:04] what the hell is going on here?! [04:17:19] lets see [04:17:54] huh [04:17:58] no recent deployments I can see [04:18:45] <.guardianx., replying to suomigrace> Needs moar jiggle! Give it that windows "We just figured out how to make our windows jiggle" effect! [04:19:04] hawk tuah [04:19:09] Odd. [04:19:15] I think before [04:19:19] it wasnt like that [04:19:35] I'm genuinely confused too, and I even complimented the editor(She had no idea how it happened) [04:19:37] 😭 [04:19:43] I FEEL SO EMBARASSED [04:19:44] AUGHHH [04:21:02] mate [04:21:08] this is mediawiki [04:21:10] it does this [04:21:15] no one understand why [04:21:18] it doesnt understand why [04:21:20] it just does [04:21:38] we live, we learn, we grow to love-hate it just a bit more [04:21:42] such is wiki life [04:21:46] dont go insane over it [04:22:14] Yeah MediaWiki is very much the best and worst part at the same time of running a wiki :ManyHappyLaughs: [04:23:58] Whoa is this a miraheze wiki? [04:24:32] Dude whatever this video shows. Is beutiful [04:28:11] Looks like Vector legacy skin, though with a decent amount of extra CSS added, and that scrolling thing is just how the TabberNeue extension works really, not too fancy. I am sure if we dug around (no intention of actually doing it though), we could find far fancier wiki's too [04:28:27] ill check the extension version and history [04:28:53] running e671691 [04:29:23] oh its another one of star citizen tools' creations [04:30:49] oh [04:31:09] @suomigrace `$wgTabberNeueEnableAnimation` is a config value [04:32:26] but that setting seemed to have been added in july [04:34:02] theres nothing recent i can find that would change the behaviour [04:35:34] the only maybe i can find is https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-extensions-TabberNeue/commit/795c76b4bd8285650c860ddc0b6ff2aa3e7c1b23 but regardless it wasnt updated on miraheze lately i think,, [04:35:36] idfk [06:10:51] quick question, does anyone know how to apply that font in mobile? I manage to apply the new font in our wiki to mobile but it goes back to the default font :pEyes: [06:25:28] <.labster> Edit Mediawiki:Mobile.css? [06:25:41] <.labster, replying to lovecry> Edit Mediawiki:Mobile.css? [06:26:23] oh!! thank you! I only edited the timeless css :b_dns1_thankyou: [06:38:46] Yeah, things aren't quite as streamlined as Fandom, but boy howdy can one get weird/awesome with it. [06:49:07] <.labster> Simple but effective CSS animation. [07:22:34] already edited and it's still going back to default 🫠 [07:24:53] does it go back to default when signed out or [07:25:18] both signed out and signed in 🫠 [07:25:23] maybe css takes a while [07:25:29] maybe clear cache? [07:29:49] it loaded awhile ago but suddenly it went back to default [07:41:43] I just passed out [07:41:44] LOL [07:43:22] This is just raising a kid 😭 [07:45:04] mobile cache is quite pain in the ass tbh [07:46:55] it is lmao [07:48:30] very generous boost [08:09:36] is there a way I can size an image to the size of a table on the fly? sizing the table to the image would also work alright for me. [11:46:58] will my custom domain start showing up on google searches more over time or is there something i have to do [11:51:49] You can add it to search console and give it a poke [11:51:54] But google are pretty weird [12:23:58] depends on if you already registered wiki in search console or not, in latter case would be ofc easier to please Google [12:24:46] like, you register your wiki w/ custom domain vs doing redirect and data move w/ wiki registered as miraheze.org [12:27:51] bear in mind, custom domain have a harder time to get rep from Google, I guess Miraheze URLs gained some recognition trough years [12:53:15] I guess that's relevant only to new domains. If you are using a custom domain that is already recognized as official in a way by Google this will help (see LoL wiki and how quickly that fork got picked up because they use subdomain of official url) [12:54:17] yeah, it's a very interesting case scenario [12:55:58] almost like a "checkmate" to google seo [12:57:07] I consider that fork's URL to be the only reason they basically got 1st results on day 1, which is unheard of in Fandom forks. They basically benefited enormously from official status of Riot's domain. [12:57:32] Very much a checkmate :) [12:59:59] yup [13:01:28] [1/4] just have: [13:01:29] [2/4] - a topic from which the topic's main website is frequently used (for any purpose or reason) [13:01:29] [3/4] - an already great wiki with a big community [13:01:29] [4/4] - official partnership with the devs and to have the wiki hosted under the website [13:02:19] old wiki is already 4th in seo lol [13:55:11] <.guardianx.> [1/2] I really should ask here, is there an addon or a way to make it so I can replace the "." when I link my wiki places? [13:55:12] <.guardianx.> [2/2] https://ecopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [13:56:13] <.guardianx.> I thought "Shortdescription" would handle that as well as a few other Extensions, gave them a shot and nothing [13:57:30] Still trying to find why that happens egh [13:57:36] Do you have WikiSEO enabled [13:57:58] <.guardianx.> I wanna say yes, but let me go make sure. I haven't toughed a lot of things in there yet [13:59:30] <.guardianx., replying to pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304445194548019210/image.png?ex=672f6ac1&is=672e1941&hm=3cbd939eeb1d5b205e9798bf9c6990d1e6d36a25b4fc502f85ad22d3f24937e9& [13:59:36] <.guardianx.> Blank so far so I'd say no [13:59:44] No just the extension [13:59:49] <.guardianx.> Oohh no [13:59:53] Why did someone mention me on Wikipedia be right back [14:00:04] <.guardianx.> Oh wait [14:00:05] <.guardianx.> yes I do [14:00:51] Oh a DYK [14:00:53] Anyways [14:01:12] I know WikiSEO let’s you change the text that shows in those embeds [14:01:28] https://phighting.wiki/Banhammer [14:01:34] Hm [14:01:36] Not like that [14:01:53] Https://phighting.wiki/Sword [14:02:10] Like that [14:02:34] <.guardianx.> Ahhh [14:02:47] @tedkalashnikov is this a bug or did you just not set the test for ban? I remember you asked me about the dot before but I forget the details [14:02:58] :pupCoffeeMH: [14:03:51] <.guardianx.> I'll look into the details on textextracts [14:06:34] Oh it maybe that yeah! [14:06:44] <.guardianx.> thats interesting, I wodner if it's only pulling the information from the page where there is no physical break between content brackets [14:07:46] <.guardianx.> [1/26] Functional: [14:07:46] <.guardianx.> [2/26] `{{PhighterNav}}{{Character [14:07:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PhighterNav [14:07:46] <.guardianx.> [3/26] | name = Sword [14:07:47] <.guardianx.> [4/26] | image = Render_Sword.png [14:07:47] <.guardianx.> [5/26] | imagecaption = "Prepare yourself!" [14:07:47] <.guardianx.> [6/26] | class = Melee [14:07:48] <.guardianx.> [7/26] | faction = [[Lost Temple]] [14:07:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Lost_Temple [14:07:48] <.guardianx.> [8/26] | health = 125 [14:07:48] <.guardianx.> [9/26] | shield = 75 [14:07:48] <.guardianx.> [10/26] | addedin = [[Playtest 1]] [14:07:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Playtest_1 [14:07:49] <.guardianx.> [11/26] | chatcolor = {{Color|{{ClassColor|Sword}}}} [14:07:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Color [14:07:49] <.guardianx.> [12/26] }}'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a [[:Category:Characters/Phighters/Melee|melee]] Phighter. He was released on 19 February 2022 with [[Playtest 1]].` [14:07:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Category:Characters/Phighters/Melee https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Playtest_1 [14:07:50] <.guardianx.> [13/26] Non-functional: [14:07:50] <.guardianx.> [14/26] `{{PhighterNav}} [14:07:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PhighterNav [14:07:51] <.guardianx.> [15/26] {{Character [14:07:51] <.guardianx.> [16/26] | name = {{PAGENAME}} [14:07:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME [14:07:52] <.guardianx.> [17/26] | image = Render_Ban_Hammer.png [14:07:52] <.guardianx.> [18/26] | imagecaption = "Your verdict is...
Guilty!" [14:37:59] languages/i18n/en.json in mediawiki core [14:38:14] <.guardianx.> Bleh, was really trying to have something that doesn't have a page reference, something that I could put in a template and basically extract something like {{PAGENAME}} combined with a blurb about the thing it is. Oh well Guess i'll have to mess with it a bit more [14:38:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:PAGENAME [16:39:41] Bruh, how do you make front pages look good? [16:40:20] [1/2] For reference, here is the old Trashy Vyond Videos Wiki front page. [16:40:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304485670378799215/Screenshot_20241108-083901.png?ex=672f9073&is=672e3ef3&hm=25133680d0637b1eab6a8a9fe98b4433ccb095cfb260a8929286a8a0da36a20e& [16:40:47] It's all colorful n'shit, and is pretty well organized. [16:41:02] [1/2] Then there's mine. [16:41:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304485847374102578/Screenshot_20241108-083737.png?ex=672f909e&is=672e3f1e&hm=0d7fda7db6340200c9a4fd446d1205d30a9f66d5eaa08b3ddd802a3592de16f9& [16:41:27] There is no and it's all just text. [16:42:26] I deeply disagree that that front page is good [16:42:39] <.myirlname> it hurts my eyes [16:42:48] your main page has more potential than that wiki's main page [16:45:30] Fr [16:57:25] If your using a reception wiki as a basis for good UI you’re probably doing something wrong [17:01:06] Yea I looked at the Trashy Vyond Videos Wiki screenshot again and realized it's not that good, they put black text on a dark background 💀 [17:22:33] the tvv wiki's main page was designed by a 13 year old [17:28:38] Eh 13 year olds can sometimes make good stuff [17:29:05] Ref SPF [17:29:21] sometimes [17:45:44] its a bug, wikiSEO recently broke somehow and does not know what to do if theres any linebreaks between the leading infobox and paragraph [17:45:57] ive manually fixed a few pages but i need to go in and do a sweep. its broke within the last maybe month or two [17:47:03] RhinosF1: don’t think either me or TNT did anything, but wm-bot came back [17:47:20] MacFan4000: voice it [17:47:30] I bribed someone in #libera [17:53:31] How much [17:53:53] Huh, probably make a task for it upstream [17:54:10] I can take a look if I find time [17:54:51] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projects=WikiSEO [18:12:15] is there a list of MediaWiki namespace pages i can override [18:12:31] like MediaWiki:Sidebar [18:12:47] [[Special:AllMessages]]? [18:12:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AllMessages [18:12:47] [18:13:31] ah [18:13:44] these are all things i can make a new page for and override? [18:14:06] Yeah if you can edit them then you can override [18:14:18] wow this is not easy to search lol [18:14:36] do you happen to know which one is for the message that pops up when you try to make a new page but don't have the perms to [18:14:56] Mediawiki will literally kill itself before implementing good search natively! [18:15:00] LMAOOO [18:15:36] Pro tip, go to the page that has the message you wanna change, and add `?uselang=qqx` to the end of the URL [18:15:54] oh wow [18:16:05] CirrusSearch my beloved [18:16:48] [1/2] so if i get this what is the page i should make [18:16:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304509949111435326/dawae_2024-11-09_at_2.16.34_AM.png?ex=672fa710&is=672e5590&hm=78748f0a2d096946d8f6ca684b2ca2dbbc65aba94107df2e6d789f74778d76b2& [18:17:04] MediaWiki:permissionserrors ? [18:17:18] That’s the text on the header [18:17:22] If that’s what you want, yes [18:18:03] is there a way to get the default contents of the page to base the edited version off of too? [18:18:07] is it literally just the text at the bottom [18:18:12] Pardon? [18:18:40] as in, i don't want to make a completely new version of it i kinda just wanna add a line to it, but i don't know what i'd need to type to get the text that it shows by default [18:19:03] The existing text should be there [18:19:05] If not [18:19:08] Crtl c Crtl c [18:19:15] is it the stuff below the horizontal lines here? [18:21:03] Try opening the page (mediawiki:the text in the paren before the colen) [18:22:13] ah okay lemme try [18:23:33] weird the content seems different [18:24:00] maybe the contents are templates [18:25:38] seems to be [18:26:49] it seems like i can't actually add a line, rather just edit the templates/variables that the display is showing [18:28:47] it's probably alright then, thanks for the help! [18:44:07] actually i probably can im just not getting to see the page name for the page that contains all the subpages, like how it doesn't actually show "sidebar" in the sidebar but just the constituents [18:44:34] but it is 2:44 am and that sounds like a problem for tomorrow me [18:45:53] If it’s 2:30 AM, isn’t it already tommorow? [18:46:01] uh- um- [18:46:11] sounds like a problem for afternoon me [18:46:30] @cosmicalpha as our resident sleep deprivation expert what say you? [18:46:46] i usually sleep at 5-6 am i just have a thing tomorrow LOL [18:46:58] AM? [18:47:03] hey lol [18:47:08] indeed [18:47:12] i am a vespertine creature [18:47:24] If this man here didn’t exist I would be more disappointed probably [18:47:31] LOL [18:48:18] 5-6am does sound about when I usually end up going to sleep as weææ [19:09:31] [1/3] Stupid question but I'm a little confused honestly, I've never done anything like this before. (Sorry if it's inappropiate to ask in general as well?) [19:09:31] [2/3] Is this correctly put into CSS? It's not affecting how the Infobox looks like at all for some reason. The Infobox is a simple Portable Infobox, is that why? Should I figure out how to build one out of scratch? The articles I read told me I could edit Portable's style with CSS but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Sorry for the trouble! [19:09:32] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304523214206009445/image.png?ex=672fb36b&is=672e61eb&hm=1acc72903470120fac80725ca6a1d33f64e683e532f40cc5e991c7dfa1608b4e& [19:11:11] I know there's like 400 articles on how to do it but somehow I've read Fandom's articles, Miraheze's articles, and like a bunch of random other stuff and it's still eluded me lmao :eheheaefdhfnh: [19:11:22] general is basically supporr dont work [19:11:50] That’s good. I figured the question was so simple it probably didn’t need a support thread lmao. [19:26:51] Template:Member is most certainly not a html/css classname, use your browsers inspector to find the classname to put after the . on the first line. the rest looks fine though, but yeah the css wont know where to apply that [19:29:47] (This basically, CSS only targets defined classes and the template's name itself isn't one. Though it's a bit different the FANDOM help page linked from the Infobox guide should help with selecting classes: ) [19:29:51] I have some old css that applies to PI boxes [19:32:10] also https://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp is good for general css info [19:32:52] (it has sections for HTML, JS, and a bunch of other programming languages too, if you ever need) [19:41:41] [1/2] I'm using Chrome. I should be looking in here, right? I don't know why I thought it would find it from the name of the template lmfao. [19:41:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304531310815219742/image.png?ex=672fbaf5&is=672e6975&hm=206437404072047afea7f1869f8431bf299aaf78e91b88df90d75611af9215a9& [19:42:27] Thanks :IC: [19:42:45] Looks like a useful resource, thanks as well. [19:43:25] Yes, somewhere in there, probably under the content div, though the button in topleft should allow you to select an element on the page with the mouse to find it easier [19:49:06] [1/2] So is the class just the text here? [19:49:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304533174704934942/image.png?ex=672fbcb1&is=672e6b31&hm=b62f080ea4bee348a5036b0c7d32dbb2dfae7c8b2b98d64a6bebb6d1cc9d937b& [19:52:00] Wait probably not lmao. [19:53:01] Depends on what exactly you are trying to give that CSS, but also in the inspector you can edit/add to the css in the bottom half. Any changes there will NOT stick, but they will show imidiete effects on the open page, so great for testing things, before making them permanent [19:53:42] @epicsponge101 this is what i didn^ [19:54:29] although your probably not using type and theme [19:54:59] Oh, okay. I didn’t even think about trying to edit in the inspector lmao, that’s probably a good idea for testing. Thank you! [19:55:27] I’ll try it real quick :IC: [19:56:57] So I just throw it into MediaWiki:Common.css? [19:56:59] remove the .pi-theme-* and type [19:57:31] or [[Special:MyPage/common.css]] if you wanna test on your account [19:57:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.css [19:57:32] [20:04:23] I personally far prefer to do things in the inspector for testing, but yeah local account css pages are an option too, I geuss in particular for more complex stuff, as it sticks past page reloads etc, but for most stuff I find the instant effect of the inspector far better, as you can easier dial in the exact colors, or sizes of things you want etc [20:08:30] I think I’m getting it to work, thanks so much for the advice guys :GomezSmile: [20:12:31] I hope tech team doesn't get annoyed at me for re-opening a ticket, but it seems like the confi change in https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/R9:1dff9edee681b5c01d8e517c29d69f59cedaf225 is incorrect. It changed the license URL for the wrong wiki which might lead to improper license link for exlinkwikiwiki, while animalroyale wiki got static text as its license URL. [20:13:05] <.myirlname> https://tenor.com/view/gabriel-dropout-gym-girl-gym-class-rolling-rolling-on-floor-gif-16749673599964218961 [20:13:20] <.myirlname> i know it says they won't speed up wiki creation if asked [20:13:25] <.myirlname> but it's already the oldest in the queue [20:38:22] <.myirlname> thanksies whoever approved it :pupCoffeeMH: [21:06:26] is there a way I can size an image to the size of a table on the fly? sizing the table to the image would also work alright for me. [21:12:33] [1/7] add this css [21:12:33] [2/7] ``` [21:12:34] [3/7] img { [21:12:34] [4/7] max-width: 100%; [21:12:34] [5/7] height:auto; [21:12:34] [6/7] }``` [21:12:35] [7/7] makes it so images cant get bigger than the container [21:26:49] putting that in the `Common.css` doesn't affect the images at all. I assume I'm doing something wrong? [21:29:51] [1/3] hmm, add !important after 100%? [21:29:52] [2/3] ```max-width: 100% !important;``` [21:29:52] [3/3] aside from that it might just be cache [21:31:19] `!important` did it, thanks for the help! [21:33:45] can I make it so it can take the width of the full table instead of just one column? changing the percentage beyond 100% doesn't do it. [21:37:45] hmm, what are u trying to do exactly? [21:39:02] i've got a thumbnail image at the top of a 2-column table with some cell name -> info pairs. I'd like the image to be just as wide as the whole table, with unlimited height. [21:39:49] would colspanning the image cell work? [21:39:50] does the `Common.css` update across the site kinda slow? [21:40:15] hmmm yea maybe. lemme try [21:42:51] <.guardianx., replying to epicsponge101> Wait is there a tool that lets you visualize css? [21:42:53] oh that made the table size to the image, which should work with a couple tweaks [21:55:52] <50_55> I love how miraheze allows free hosting, but I also got curious how it is possible [21:56:15] Anyone here [21:56:23] I have a question about fair use [22:04:56] @rodejong oi mr copyright [22:05:50] Yo... what's up? [22:06:38] So, I'm thinking of starting another wiki [22:06:55] and It will bascially be a library of audio files with descriptions [22:07:18] [[wikipedia:en:Fair use]] [22:07:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wikipedia:en:Fair_use [22:07:18] [22:07:21] but the audio files... Will having them violate copyright [22:07:41] a few of the wikis i read say 30 seconds is fair use [22:07:49] what'd be the limit [22:08:27] because I know that Inkipedia is trying to convert audio files to 30 secs but they've had 4 min ones for forever and haven't got dcma'd [22:11:29] [1/3] It's depending on how it's used. [22:11:30] [2/3] If it's a comment from someone, or a part of the song to go with the page about said song, or page about the songwriter. [22:11:30] [3/3] Pages with audio files just to show the songs without context isn't fair use [22:12:04] It can only be used as an explanation within a context! [22:12:33] So, a wiki all about different songs in video gaming would be context then? [22:12:51] I'd include info about songs, so there'd be some context [22:13:19] Kinda basically a catalog, but with info about what's in the catalog? [22:13:29] I worded that horribly [22:15:25] [1/2] I would say know. That is stretching it thin. [22:15:25] [2/2] 1 or 2 clips of 30 secs from a game would be fair use, but all the songs (eventhough it's 30 sec) is not fair use anymore. You'd be giving a complete rundown of the songs. [22:16:54] Fair use is "giving an idea". What to expect, why such music is used. [22:17:19] https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Inkipedia:Policy/Audio [22:17:20] Look at how professional websites do that. [22:17:30] that's what my knollage is based on [22:20:59] but ok! Thank you! [22:21:09] [1/6] ```Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infrin [22:21:10] [2/6] gement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include: [22:21:10] [3/6] the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; [22:21:10] [4/6] the nature of the copyrighted work; [22:21:10] [5/6] the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and [22:21:11] [6/6] the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.``` [22:22:48] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use [22:22:50] Ok... I think I understand that: You shouldn't take 4 min copyrighted music and put it on a wiki. Thank you! [22:22:54] It was just an idea [22:23:05] but thanks for your time [22:23:22] You're welcome [22:23:51] [1/3] Here's a superior comparison. My wiki conpared to Miraheze's own wiki. [22:23:51] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304572119467819069/Screenshot_20241108_142110.jpg?ex=672fe0f7&is=672e8f77&hm=1b251eaaa15eb3a7f60d6ce2efcdea7a962f8038e56f979f9e0c217c1132e71a& [22:23:52] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304572119769813054/Screenshot_20241108_142221.jpg?ex=672fe0f7&is=672e8f77&hm=11e1dcfd19739d7e40a0234c82f21bbfaf479a1903a1f53195a7d11f0ac231b8& [22:47:11] oi MacFan4000 [22:47:26] why did you remove {{Donation button}} from xlation again [22:47:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Donation_button [22:47:27] [22:47:53] wrong link bu [22:49:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1304578486941388961/JgSRz1E.png?ex=672fe6e5&is=672e9565&hm=ea89ed37725ebbda66563bdaafcb688f57f604edce4703757e90f0be909bfc6d& [23:05:02] pixldev: templates aren’t on the list of pages to be translated (on Meta:Translators) [23:06:37] curse you policy [23:07:02] but i mean if we're leaving Donate(which we should) i feel the donation buttons should be counted too? [23:07:54] I didn’t make that policy, but it was community approved in https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Meta_translation_reform [23:09:31] are we allowed to invoke WP:IAR [23:10:38] Donate specifically is on the list [23:11:29] I personally think that interpolating pages to include vital templates on said page is a fair conclusion, but I'd be open to hear if others agree or disagree. [23:11:58] Meh, hard to say, but Translate will possibly eventually be replaced with MachineTranslation anyway [23:12:08] RIP [23:12:23] Assuming the RFC passes [23:12:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Replace_Translate_with_SubTranslate_(DeepL) [23:13:14] Though might wanna update that since we kinda aren’t using SubTranslate anymore [23:13:30] in the meantime I don't see the harm and do see an advantage to either setting a precedent to (to me, logically) include vital templates or explicitly add the template [23:13:37] Actually it isn’t even open yet [23:13:47] though id be glad for a meta admin discussion, personally [23:14:42] I would say talk to reception as well, since they enforce that policy more then anybody else [23:15:11] well he is a meta admin so ill prob just ping and ask for thoughts [23:15:29] Also I already nuked all of the relevant Translations: pages so [23:15:42] hm? [23:16:18] When you add translations it created pages in the Translstions: namespace [23:16:48] Which for the amount of pages we have in translations means 1000s of pages [23:17:01] oh lol [23:17:12] the nuke being for the disabled langs? [23:18:00] For all langs on the pages that I removed from translations [23:19:53] So far I did the Template: Category: Help: and Tech: namespaces since they aren’t on the approved list [23:22:08] oh [23:22:46] Personally I think we may have been a bit overzealous, but community ratified soooo [23:49:28] Whoever worked on the analytics page, thank you! The "visits" graph is a dream come true for me [23:51:25] that would be @agentisai [23:51:45] speaking of, ill probably be announcing in #minor-announcements soon [23:51:50] unless agent wants to [23:51:58] Does anyone know if there’s a guide for adding images next to text in a portable infobox? Like, I can add an image fine, but I mean next to a text value— like a small icon.