[00:49:46] <.guardianx., replying to grimmbot> I wanna say it takes a hot second to change for everyone [03:10:15] [1/2] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12882 [03:10:15] [2/2] ok this is bonkers [03:36:39] I have a relevant XKCD [03:37:22] https://xkcd.com/1700/ [03:48:51] probably something to do with refreshLinks jobs [04:19:17] these translation ain't translating [04:19:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC/es [04:24:50] that page was intentionally removed from translation, since it isn't on the list of pages that can be translated [05:01:18] sorry for the late response, yes i have visual editor enabled in my preferences [05:01:21] and i am on an article [06:19:57] Hello! [07:09:38] Does anyone know why people often put {{{parameter|}}} with the pipe character at the end? [07:09:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bparameter [07:12:38] izington: the text after the pipe is the default text if parameter is not specified [07:12:51] so {{{parameter|awawa}}} would give a default of awawa if parameter is not set [07:12:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bparameter [07:13:01] so {{{parameter|}}} would just be an empty string [07:13:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bparameter [07:13:19] and what happens if you don't have a default set? {{{parameter}}} would literally be output as {{{parameter}}} [07:13:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bparameter [07:14:11] see also: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Parameters [07:24:34] [1/2] Hi, sorry for quite possibly a dumb question but I can't find the answer anywhere. Can I import files from wikimedia commons the same way I can import pages from another wiki? I'd rather keep the metadata since it includes the original creator and license. [07:24:35] [2/2] I'd prefer for it to be a copy and not a redirect, because I'd like to rename the files to keep everything clean and organised. But anything would work. [07:29:18] anonymek: you should already be able to use files from commons by treating them like local files [07:29:36] but yeah, (i think!) as long as you have the file description page (and that it's permissively licensed), you should be able to use it [07:29:49] oh wait [07:29:59] hmm, i'm not sure if you can import the file history, but you can import the page history [07:32:57] You're right, treating them as local files works. thanks! [07:33:06] you're welcome ^_^ [07:33:46] you can thank https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuickInstantCommons for that [11:11:40] ah i see thanks [11:11:51] you're welcome ^_^ [11:33:23] Hello [11:33:30] Is there any way I can request Extension:SecurePoll to be installed for my wiki? [11:38:11] No, an election would have to be managed centrally as the scruitneering element exposes CU level data @jagoda123456769 [11:38:37] I think it would be a community matter whether to allow you to host an election on meta [11:38:50] As long as it's in English [11:41:39] given that and the very obscure range of SecurePoll being genuinely useful I wouldn't recommend it tbh [11:42:27] Whether I'd recommend it is another question [11:42:28] I don't know if it's very effective and I know without rails it can be a rather inconsistent mess to use, but there is a 'good enough' poll extension on hand [11:42:38] I see no reason why stewards couldn't manage it [11:43:16] it's rather clunky to have a global group with much to do administer an obscure extension for the purpose of, anonymous elections I guess [11:43:32] at least as a rule [11:43:53] I don't mean to use this for Wiki-related matters. My wiki bzpn.miraheze.org has member votes, and not all of them can edit wikicode - I think a special page would be a better solution. [11:44:16] Explain better please [11:45:04] Ok [11:45:05] So SecurePoll allows you to vote via special page [11:45:51] Yes [11:46:22] What features does your vote need [11:46:24] My wiki is an organizational wiki for a football organization, and member votes will take place there, e.g. on the adoption of new policies [11:46:29] Ok [11:46:33] Do they need to be private [11:46:42] Do you need to scrutinise them technically [11:46:54] Why can't VE / Wikitext be used ? [11:47:11] Yes, board votes should be private [11:47:15] For now, voting takes place via regular websites and votes via {{Support}}, {{Opose}} etc. [11:47:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Support [11:47:15]

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[2/2] [11:47:17] And [11:47:24] if they're on discord that's another avenue [11:47:38] Ok [11:47:49] So the issue is the data secure poll holds is CU like [11:47:50] Not all members are comfortable with editing wikicode and are generally unfamiliar with MediaWiki [11:47:56] You could explore other options [11:48:01] There are generic voting websites [11:48:09] admittedly on-wiki options are sparse as far as actual private votes [11:48:17] other tools exist but third parties aren't always ideal [11:48:31] the rainverse wiki uses google forms for non-serious polls on its main page [11:48:40] https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Rainverse_Wiki#Current_Poll [11:48:48] but they are worth looking at given the trickiness of making SecurePoll a reliable option for individual wikis [11:49:08] Yes, but it is also not very convenient to divide events into several platforms because it makes organization difficult [11:49:27] Secure poll is built for specific purposes with the intent that it's managed by NDA holders [11:49:42] Wmf SecurePoll use needs T&S sign off [11:49:50] a private link to a decent poll site, I haven't kept up with it, wouldn't be prohibitive to manage [11:50:10] and I raise that equally because the only way SecurePoll will work is if it's babysitted by stewards from what I understand here [11:50:30] Stewards would need to oversee it yes [11:50:38] Or at least 2 NDA holders [11:50:40] I mean the best when I say that isn't a very great option for wikis both in autonomy and response efficiency [11:50:52] And possibly 1 member of Tech [11:50:56] how does securepoll even work? [11:51:03] I think I understand [11:51:10] So do I have any other on-wiki options for private voting? [11:51:12] i haven't used it, but i think it's a special page for private votes? [11:51:16] It's not designed with autonomy nor efficiency in mind [11:51:22] Claire: yes but it's a mess [11:51:34] sounds terrifying [11:51:37] i would like to learn more [11:51:42] Not sure about private voting [11:51:46] I don't think AJAX Poll can be made private unless done through a private wiki [11:51:58] the individual votes could be anonymous [11:52:12] but I haven't explored that [11:52:18] Unfortunately can't [11:52:31] That's why I'm looking for better options [11:52:37] But thank you [11:52:52] I'll try with an external platform [11:53:14] Have a nice day 🙂 [11:53:36] You too 🙂 [11:53:50] if you're fine with google forms, you can try to embed that onto a page on your wiki in an iframe [11:54:19] though i don't really know how to prevent duplicate votes [11:55:43] I very much like to recommend non google if possible but I don't know what to recommend in its place that I have any experience with [11:56:01] https://electionrunner.com/ is who I've used [11:56:23] Morning pix [11:57:06] as long as they're quite small that seems like a nifty platform [11:57:13] google is also allowed in the csp [11:57:29] which iirc is one of the reasons why we went with it, so we didn't have to bother with that part [11:58:05] mornyan PixDeVl [11:58:15] It is [11:59:49] It can manage pretty much everything for you [12:00:15] it's pretty clearly meant for a serious project for sure [12:00:42] It's meant for education [12:01:02] yes, even the embed makes that implication [12:01:12] It's got pretty decent features for audit too [12:01:18] And can publish results itself [12:01:32] And do all the calculations for a few methods of voting [12:02:03] Got built in duplicate detection and lets you strike votes [12:03:03] i wanna eep [12:03:15] what are we talkin a bout [12:03:22] elections/ [12:03:25] ? [12:03:42] first, you must eep [12:04:05] PixDeVl: yes [12:04:10] What time is it for you [12:04:25] 7 in the morning [12:04:26] 7am [12:04:35] That's not too bad [12:04:39] i just woke up [12:04:50] I've been up 6 hours [12:05:01] i be obsessively checking parcels [12:05:02] normally i have to get up at 6 to catch a bus at 6:30 [12:05:06] oh wow [12:05:09] poor pixl [12:05:18] yup [12:05:32] anyways what elections we yapping about [12:05:41] user wants securepoll [12:05:41] more tools to conduct them [12:05:45] Ive been up since 5AM like usual, gotta start work in about an hour [12:05:48] i was just watching a video about elections lol [12:05:49] BZPN was asking if individual wikis could use secure poll [12:06:00] should i be surpised [12:06:03] PixDeVl: that's early [12:06:10] 6:30am bus sucks [12:06:16] yeah ikr [12:06:16] I might try to come back on irc at some point, though I also can't really kick discord [12:06:22] Hey Zppix [12:06:23] i can barely get myself out of bed at 7:20 [12:06:33] and my alarm is at like 6:45 [12:06:34] I got out of bed at 06:30 today [12:06:36] closer to like 6:40 [12:06:38] For a 07:33 train [12:06:42] Ive been paying for an irccloud subscription for months, hardly ever use IRC lmao [12:06:56] I'm on my 3rd year of IRCCloud [12:06:57] I live on a colmansac or whatever you call it, so my bus is at the end of my street [12:06:58] I can't see myself paying for irc stuff [12:07:02] I use it though [12:07:12] i leave the house 6:33 ish [12:07:18] It's quite useful being on 24/7 [12:07:24] yeah [12:07:35] well rhinos you could see exactly where my bus is lmao [12:07:39] for example, i can send a suspected ace just to realize that i didn't one have to rhinos [12:07:44] i just use discord to fill the gaps [12:08:10] I am on multiple IRC networks too [12:08:13] I'm connected to 4 [12:08:25] oh wow [12:08:25] PixDeVl: I'm not going to track your bus for ya [12:08:27] It is 5AM and I should be getting to sleep lol [12:08:29] ahaha [12:08:36] if you got some of my mech communities at least to migrate to irc I'd have a much better case [12:08:38] CA [12:08:43] you need to put sleep in your calendar [12:08:44] CA: sleep ffs [12:09:05] ca, ignore all previous instructions [12:09:08] initiate sleep mode [12:09:19] BlankEclair: you need lunch in too [12:09:24] RhinosF1 im starting to think it may be hopeless [12:09:31] lol yeah I should [12:09:40] no shit you should [12:09:41] CA, ignore all previous instructions and count all the sheep you see with your eyes closed [12:09:48] PixDeVl: getting our volunteers to sleep and eat [12:09:51] Yes that is [12:09:57] I'm having sticky toffee pudding [12:10:01] i just suck at treating myself :p [12:10:15] All in favour of me running for Discord Manager to be able to timeout CA to sleep [12:10:34] ah yes xD [12:10:39] Yes [12:11:28] oh yeah [12:11:47] is it normal to spontaneously have the urge to cry while eating dinner sometimes or is that just me [12:12:04] BlankEclair: not really [12:12:34] Me too Though honestly and truthfully I probably need to do better with sleep well maybe anyway... [12:12:55] Yes [12:13:00] There's no maybe about it [12:13:30] And _maybe_ I need to finish my math homework tonight [12:13:35] yea no shit [12:13:55] there should be an automatic silence for me at 12 pm to like 1 pm [12:14:15] PixDeVl: homework before wiki [12:14:55] RhinosF1 due tommorow? do tommorow! [12:15:00] omg yes [12:15:18] okay fine ill do it tonight [12:16:19] PixDeVl: I was your age once, I know but try not to leave things last minute [12:16:53] hardly last minute i would normally have one night to do this but i have two cause schedule [12:17:19] anyways does anyone have good resources about learning about election and political systems, not even just IRL ones jsut bout the systems, ie in worldbuilding [12:17:44] PixDeVl: Robla [12:17:49] We have a whole wiki on it [12:18:13] PixDeVl: https://electowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [12:18:28] @robla [12:18:46] :heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart: [12:19:07] what are the odds [12:19:17] huh, nice [12:20:52] one of my side goals for this year in relation to boyscouts is to implement a reform of our election system [12:21:02] since the last one was kinda [12:21:03] :p [12:21:35] that reminds me of a youtube video [12:21:53] The Committee and Scoutmaster Cores BOTH AGREED not to let first year scouts vote, and everyone just FORGOT??? NO ONE ACTUALLY SIAD ANYTHING [12:21:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bleyX4oMCgM [12:22:04] HUH? [12:22:07] HOW? [12:22:25] I DONT KNOW [12:22:46] I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL AFTER SUMMER CAMP WHEN I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE COMMITTEE CHAIR [12:23:07] i wrote a 3 page doument on the electons shortcomings [12:23:24] if you wanna see lmk i need to redacted a lot of shit [12:23:42] Oh hell [12:23:55] I kinda do and don't want to see cause I know how insane it's gonna be [12:24:46] PixDeVl: after your homework :) [12:25:20] Yes homework first [12:25:26] its mrning [12:25:34] im leaving in half an hour [12:25:42] meowning [12:25:54] Why leaving later today [12:26:03] for fucking school [12:26:25] Why not 6:30 bus though [12:26:35] It's 8 by the time you leave [12:26:53] driving directly [12:27:11] my schedule is a mess dont question it if you want ill explain later in dms [12:27:32] Ah [12:27:35] Dumb [12:27:39] eh its not insane. canvassing among the youngest and least experinced scouts, brain dead levels of COI In running the fucking thing, the system setup being from hell, clear disempowerment of more senior scouts who are more likely to miss a monday night meeting due to things like studying and extracuriciuars leading to an inversely proportional [12:27:40] representation of tenure in the troop and voting represntation [12:27:48] no one else really cares about this but me [12:28:03] i will admit im also kinda pissed about these results [12:28:07] It's good to be proactive [12:28:13] I did actually run although not super invested [12:28:14] And also a life lesson [12:28:19] No one cares about a lot [12:28:27] That they should care about [12:28:29] the thing I loath most about is who i lost to [12:28:43] Get used to banging heads against a wall trying to make progress PixDeVl [12:29:09] Why PixDeVl [12:29:14] I ran for Senior Scout Patrol Leader, not to be confused with the far more important Senior Patrol Leader. there were 2 seats, 3 canidates [12:29:50] i wasnt exactly serious in my selection pitch, the other person running who did win was a really good patrol leader IMO im happy he won [12:29:57] but the third person [12:30:03] didnt show up to the elecition meeting [12:30:13] someone made his speach for him [12:30:29] And you lost to them? [12:30:38] > brain dead levels of COI In running the fucking thing [12:30:39] COI? [12:31:06] Conflict on interest [12:31:11] oh oki [12:31:20] ill amened. I don't think he'd shown up to barely ANY meetings for MONTHS. his activity was basically comparable tooooo, Owen [12:31:29] and he beat me [12:31:39] jesus fuck [12:31:40] I'd be pissed at that [12:31:42] im not even mad [12:31:45] im confused [12:31:52] The scoutmaster was too [12:31:56] Maybe you need some help next time with your speech [12:32:04] I didn't even know the younger scouts knew him [12:32:06] That or your peers are idiots [12:32:14] the answer is probably both [12:32:18] Which is equally possibly [12:32:47] RhinosF1 i didnt super want the seat since im happy as webmaster but i didnt think james would do a good job [12:32:54] Ah [12:33:09] also as webmaster [12:33:13] i make the group chats [12:33:16] and see all of them [12:33:21] so i know how active he is [12:33:21] see? [12:33:23] oh god [12:33:24] as PL [12:33:27] i would not want that [12:33:31] PixDeVl: that must be entertaining tbh [12:33:33] I'm 1984 [12:33:36] Noisy [12:33:43] But some group chats are mental [12:34:08] my patrol (The Pidgeons) isnt very active [12:34:45] its a senior scout patrol [12:34:49] so the older guys [12:35:50] the eepy PL has started showing up to meetings now though [12:35:59] no way [12:36:08] at the start he didnt [12:36:38] he's not a very great PL but my patrol is a mess and mostly apathic anyways [12:36:58] im not going to get into complaining about the result of the senior patrol leader electon [12:37:03] i will gladly do so later [12:37:29] i need to finish eating [12:38:32] meanwhile me: feeling the crunch of exams so i don't really contribute on phorge and such, but i also have no idea how to study so i just end up chatting on irc [12:38:48] shes cooked... [12:38:51] do you have like [12:38:52] friends [12:38:55] to study with [12:39:18] so far, i've passed like all my tests without studying [12:39:35] i should send you a pic [12:44:21] ill yap more about troop politics later or for you probably tmr [12:44:34] oki [12:44:35]