[00:03:31] Please [00:03:34] question [00:03:40] yes? [00:03:56] am i the only one who mentally thinks of brandons abbreviation as BMW [00:04:19] probably [00:12:06] [1/2] So I requested a wiki for my community, and I see that elections are required for roles, and need two of each of certain roles. If my new wiki is approved, is there like guidelines on how you're supposed to do the initial setup? Or is setting up a new wiki kind of the exception to the rule where the creator will be put as the bureaucrat and they can appoint people a little more will [00:12:07] [2/2] y nilly to get things off the ground? [00:12:37] nothing's stopping you from appointing willy nilly yeah [00:12:50] [1/2] So uh....I made this page here: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_%26_the_Bally_Bunch) [00:12:50] [2/2] It was in a sandbox, and when I tried to move it to main, it got stuck on redirect....what do I do? [00:12:56] ideally, bigger wikis should have some sort of process, but tiny ones don't really need to go through a bunch of bureaucracy [00:13:02] yup [00:13:22] you can establish your own policies if you want but you can just grant admin and crat at will [00:13:33] demoting other crats is a bit harder [00:15:13] I think you saw that two are needed for Checkusers and suppressors. For those roles, it's because they can see very sensitive information. For any other role, typically you don't have any rules imposed on how to govern and manage the roles [00:16:01] Oh okay thanks for clarification! I won't worry about that then. [00:17:56] Hello? [00:18:17] > [16/11/2024 11:12] [1/2] So uh....I made this page here: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_%26_the_Bally_Bunch) [00:18:22] i can't even find the original text [00:18:28] do you happen to have a diff link to it by chance [00:18:37] i wonder if the original page was swallowed by something [00:19:49] [1/2] https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_%26_the_Bally_Bunch)?action=history This is all that's left....IDK what to do.... [00:19:49] [2/2] I tried to make two sandboxes, but one of the sandbox, being Lu got stuck on redirect and I worked so hard on it.... [00:21:22] cartooncartoons64: do you happen to have something like a timestamp of when you started writing the original page [00:21:29] would help me track down the edit [00:21:40] timestamp? How do I find that? [00:22:02] basically the time when you were editing the page [00:22:18] IDK.... [00:22:37] oh okay [00:22:39] Is my page stuck on redirect forever meaning I'll have to recreate another one? [00:23:42] Tell me this isn't a permanent thing. [00:23:46] the page history is a mess oh my god [00:24:13] i'm pretty sure you didn't permanently lose it [00:24:16] but we need to find it [00:24:43] I tried reverting it, but it's the same.....so it's gone forever? [00:24:59] doubt it [00:25:15] Doubt it? What do you mean? [00:25:45] i think it's still there [00:25:50] we just need to find the link to it [00:26:48] I tried undoing it, and it said it's been undone.... [00:27:25] remind me what nepotism is again [00:27:45] pixldev: favoritism shown to relatives or close friends by those in power (as by giving them jobs) [00:28:33] So please don't tell me...it's gone forever and have to recreate it.... [00:29:11] Take that with a grain of salt since I can’t confirm that claim [00:29:38] what pisses me off is that alpha was a relatively younger scout(2 years younger then the canidate i voted for) [00:30:22] the ones i voted for are my friends ive known for years but they also served as (appointed) assistant SPLs over the past year and both were awesome [00:30:54] and now they probably aren’t gonna be able to serve as SPL before aging out [00:31:03] and that bums me out [00:31:58] one of them was appointed Junior Assistant scoutmaster though, so awesome. Most JASMs are SPLs who’s term ended [00:33:27] Find a link to it? I tried reverting it, and it's still empty.....please don't tell me it's gone forever.... [00:34:33] Would these do?: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CartoonCartoons64?target=CartoonCartoons64&dir=prev&offset=20220427195805 [00:39:53] Or do they not...meaning it's gone forever? [00:53:23] Fine....then I guess it's probably gone forever.... [00:53:49] i think this diff is it: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/?diff=187967 [00:53:58] problem is we can't see it because it's been clobbered with redirects [00:54:08] but i think it's undeletable via https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/User:CartoonCartoons64/sandbox/Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_%26_the_Bally_Bunch) [00:54:20] problem is we can't use Special:Undelete [00:55:08] It took me to a Permission error. [00:58:04] So....now what? [00:58:39] i'm trying to do an abuse of power to see if my theory is right [00:59:11] Okay.....whatever the heck that means. [01:02:29] hi its me the abuse of power [01:02:49] that page only has a redirect in its deleted history i can see [01:03:10] i'll try another abuse of power (asking someone with database access to see what the diff points to) [01:03:20] because that diff appears to be really close to this move log: [01:03:27] > Move log 21:08 CartoonCartoons64 talk contribs moved page User:CartoonCartoons64/sandbox to User:CartoonCartoons64/sandbox/Ladybird Lu (Lu & the Bally Bunch) ‎ [01:05:09] Special:Undelete show deleted edits by timestamp [01:05:13] not revid [01:05:14] kms [01:05:24] https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Undelete?target=User%3ACartoonCartoons64%2Fsandbox%2FLadybird+Lu+%28Lu+%26+the+Bally+Bunch%29×tamp=20241115231926 [01:13:20] It still says "Permission error". [01:13:59] If it says "Permission error", then may I please take a look at it, please? [01:15:46] That’s just a redirect to another page [01:17:06] So? [01:17:16] i'm trying [01:17:32] I hope it comes off alright..... [01:19:05] Bud, calm down. Being anxious isn’t gonna help us find it [01:21:55] I'm sorry....It's just that I worked so hard on it, and I have a bad feeling it's gonna be gone forever. [01:24:51] just wrote the giant sql query to fetch the diff metadata and text [01:25:05] now we need someone with database access to trust this random person and run it [01:25:38] Okay....so we're close to getting my page back? [01:25:43] i hope? [01:27:54] BlankEclair: you're a member of tech [01:27:56] hardly random [01:28:00] well okay [01:28:03] true, but like [01:28:07] i don't have db access :p [01:30:33] And what do all of those mean? [01:30:56] trying to get someone to get the page text and info from the database [01:31:19] Is there anybody here in this server who can? [01:31:25] i poked two [01:31:41] I hope they're active tonight. [01:35:44] my desktop keeps freezing and shutting off [01:35:48] not good [01:35:53] oh dear [01:36:04] And being generally slow [01:36:15] OOM maybe? That wouldn’t crash entirely [01:36:25] I know windows has logs for this stuff [01:36:30] i have a live memory tracker in my bar lol [01:36:46] if i had smt with enough storage id probably back it up just in case [01:37:02] 50GB is biggest i think i have [01:37:30] can i compress a directory while moving it to a druve [02:07:45] > [16/11/2024 12:37] can i compress a directory while moving it to a druve [02:07:58] hmm, i'd use tar with zstd or xz (depending on contents), but i dunno about unreliable systems [02:25:35] [1/2] Let me know if they access the database so I can get my page back.... [02:25:35] [2/2] Or at least it's edit source. [02:25:48] oki [02:36:08] Are those two Discord admins the guys who can access the database? [02:41:43] i have no idea who are you referring to ^^; [02:43:18] probably void and ndkilla [02:43:34] Exactly. [02:43:51] im fairly certain void does, ndkilla doesnt [02:44:02] i'm pretty sure all the ones with mediawiki server or root access on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Volunteers can [02:44:22] (but please don't poke anyone else--i just poked CA, and he said that he'll get to it after something else) [02:44:45] ((why did i write "just poked CA", i poked him around 20 minutes ago)) [02:45:10] what happened now? [02:45:40] [1/2] Okay....let me know...since i'm about to get off soon.... [02:45:41] [2/2] If he at least has the edit source, copy and paste it on a notepad site or google docs or something. [02:46:04] oh you need the query [02:46:06] one sec [02:46:33] the edit should be from CartoonCartoons64 [02:48:45] [1/4] BlankEclair: [02:48:46] [2/4] > SELECT * FROM revision LEFT JOIN page ON page.page_id = revision.rev_page LEFT JOIN actor ON actor.actor_id = revision.rev_actor LEFT JOIN slots ON slots.slot_revision_id = revision.rev_id LEFT JOIN content ON content.content_id [02:48:46] [3/4] = slots.slot_content_id LEFT JOIN text ON text.old_id = CAST(SUBSTR(content.content_address, 4) AS INTEGER) WHERE rev_id = 187967; [02:48:46] [4/4] Query OK, 0 row(s) affected [02:48:53] oh fuck my life [02:49:09] 1984 [02:50:29] now i gotta figure out where deleted revs go [02:50:46] archive table [02:50:53] thank [02:53:39] CosmicAlpha: SELECT * FROM archive LEFT JOIN page ON page.page_id = archive.ar_page_id LEFT JOIN actor ON actor.actor_id = archive.ar_actor LEFT JOIN slots ON slots.slot_revision_id = archive.ar_rev_id LEFT JOIN content ON content.content_id = slots.slot_content_id LEFT JOIN text ON text.old_id = CAST(SUBSTR(content.content_address, 4) AS INTEGER) WHERE ar_rev_id = 187967; [02:54:29] That returned something but it is to long to send [02:54:45] put it in a paste i suppose [02:55:08] actor_name is CartoonCartoons64, right? [02:55:13] Is the edit suppressed or confidential in any way? [02:55:29] the user accidentally somehow deleted that page with redirects i believe [02:55:43] title should be User:CartoonCartoons64/sandbox/Ladybird Lu (Lu & the Bally Bunch) or so? [02:55:53] Yes it is the right actor_name [02:56:02] (it might be just /sandbox, or maybe something with Ladybird Lu, the redirect chain is a mess) [02:56:26] title is in the mainspace [02:56:29] as Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_&_the_Bally_Bunch) [02:56:38] `Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_&_the_Bally_Bunch)` [02:56:49] old_text is not a redirect i hope? [02:57:10] no [02:57:18] okay that sounds good [02:58:10] So my page is still alive? [02:58:28] sounds like it [02:59:29] so a while ago on the chinafake wiki we did this https://chinafake.wiki/wiki/Guide:Migrating_Chinafake_Infoboxes [02:59:41] do you want me to put in the effort of retrieving the revision history? [03:00:36] Sorry had to verify how it was deleted in order to send it publicly to ensure it wasn't confidential. I confirmed so I can send it. [03:00:43] and while I believe 99.99% of parameters were successfully replaced with the new ones, I’ve since discovered a couple that weren’t [03:00:52] so [03:00:56] mhm, thank you ^_^ [03:01:34] is there any way to create a list of pages that use Template:Knockoffs and use undocumented parameters? I have DPL3 installed if that helps in any way [03:02:01] Oh boy oh boy....If my page survives this, I promise to never try make two sandboxes...I'll only make one sandbox at a time... [03:02:44] Oh boy oh boy....If my page survives this, I promise to never try to make two sandboxes ever again...I'll only make one sandbox at a time... [03:03:11] BlankEclair paste says it is to large also [03:03:18] i think your workflow is edit /sandbox -> move to /sandbox/Title -> maybe edit? -> move to Title [03:03:24] you could edit /sandbox/Title directly [03:03:30] > [16/11/2024 14:03] BlankEclair paste says it is to large also [03:03:35] try phorge pastes? [03:03:56] let me try here one more time if not I will yeah [03:04:08] I could put in a txt and upload it also [03:04:22] that could work :p [03:05:05] bloody hell, it's 2 pm and i haven't had lunch yet [03:05:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1307179828402851902/page.txt?ex=67395d95&is=67380c15&hm=1457d56d0b086252dbf1c98cf429f10c13bbb12834bd3eedcf24a4ccf55eeb9a& [03:06:19] cartooncartoons64: ^ [03:09:11] Now I wonder if IRC is still trying to upload my paste attempts and if it'll eventually send all of them (like 20 times I pressed send) [03:10:20] Oh....thank you so much......how can I ever repay you? [03:10:34] money it's alright ^_^ [03:10:56] i'm gonna have a two hour late lunch now :p [03:14:15] Even the text is a little bumpy though.... [03:16:08] oh newlines were removed when I copied it to my clipboard... odd I can't seem to copy the newlines even though they exist in DB. [03:19:06] oh hey nice [03:19:11] where's the banner though? [03:19:36] last time we were lvl3 was when I boosted myself 6 times lol [03:20:00] was it removed? [03:20:04] Does anyone have it? [03:21:27] https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/3366534052/1668055407 would this work? [03:21:35] it's just the banner of the twitter account [03:21:36] too grainy [03:22:02] ah yeah [03:22:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/900072414812180551/unknown.png?ex=6738d5c2&is=67378442&hm=06ac8f176875de30fcb1803c2fa6ea552a413acd2a839366de9208db93e38786& [03:22:14] the original [03:22:31] adding [03:23:22] done [03:23:41] also set the invite link to [03:23:49] nice [03:24:33] [1/2] oh I set the invite background also that didn't work to good... [03:24:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1307184508398866432/image0.png?ex=673961f1&is=67381071&hm=2e1cd71622631391ab8f2a3c0cedcffaf2eb85edb2ddf53a4b5366b1253b40a0& [03:24:54] not horrible but not the best [03:25:25] [1/2] maybe this would be better? [03:25:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1307184725990965318/header-background.jpg?ex=67396224&is=673810a4&hm=6898d7709a3c77392a65e6b2efdd530e5b8a949845e99907f411a346e327365a& [03:26:12] I think that is one I edited out the text for myself for the previous landing page [03:27:09] Anyway been a very long day so I am gonna head out soon [03:41:45] Now, how do I delete this?: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Ladybird_Lu_(Lu_%26_the_Bally_Bunch)?redirect=no [03:42:03] And some subpage sandboxes, too. [04:06:41] [1/5] So maybe I'm overthinking it, but I just requested a wiki for a community called "games for blind gamers", which is all about being a wiki regarding blind accessible video games. [04:06:41] [2/5] I'm unsure on this question. [04:06:41] [3/5] "The main subject(s) of this wiki are living people or real-life groups" [04:06:42] [4/5] I answered no since it's about video games, but then I realized yes might work because a lot of things will be organized by person. Like you find the game "Fishyphus" on the wiki, and then you'd click on the dev "Shiftbacktick", which would give a little bio pulled from their website/itch, then list all of the games they've made for our game jams, and the games made not for our game [04:06:42] [5/5] jams. The people I guess are more of an organizational tool/developer name, but wanted to ask if that counts about being a main subject. [04:10:25] it looks better on widescreen [04:10:46] I don’t think it’s something that needs to be focused on a whole lot [04:40:06] You're good [04:40:10] <.labster, replying to ericbomb> You’re fine. That rule about real people is about things like celebrity culture and Gamergate and obsessing about underage performers. [04:40:35] haha aight, I'll stop overthinking it (or try too) [04:46:02] I wonder if I chose a bad time to update image files for my wiki. [04:46:27] (I did already post about it in Support) [04:55:44] Question: Are Underlines needed to be done manually, there no hotkey or selection that can be made? /u [04:56:18] Highlighting and doing control U doesn't seem work. I'm used other wikis that allow for it [05:02:48] Not in source editor, the u tag is the most straightforward way. [05:06:01] from what I see that's a cache problem [05:06:16] I also had a similar issue yesterday and it fixed itself after a few hours [05:07:18] I'll give it some time. [05:58:27] It's on DLSite [05:58:52] Is that just a site that sells games? [05:59:11] Yep [05:59:18] Mostly Japanese indie/RPG games [07:24:37] is there a way to make categories sort articles with "The" first by the second word so they don't all get lumped into the "T" section? [07:33:38] [1/2] put `{{DEFAULTSORT:Example}}` on the pages that start with The [07:33:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DEFAULTSORT:Template:Example [07:33:38] [2/2] [[mw:Help:Magic words]] [07:33:38] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words [07:33:39]

[07:34:02] wow wiki bot ur so enthusiastic [07:38:34] thanks! i think i can mess around with some functions to automate that too. [07:58:05] <.guardianx.> Is there a way to count a delimited string? [07:58:20] <.guardianx.> well, is there a way to easily count a delimited string [07:58:48] <.guardianx.> trying to use explode on the string using , as my delimiter [09:20:53] maybe just the gradient? [12:18:44] [1/2] Hi, I need help. [12:18:44] [2/2] How do i change my wiki logo? [12:19:16] Mobilegameswiki.miraheze.org [12:23:31]