[00:06:00] Hi PixDeVl! [00:06:13] [[dev:]] has some templates. We have an entire page on [[Infoboxes]] too! [00:06:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes [00:06:13]

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[2/2] [00:09:35] The image changed how I readed the message lol [00:10:15] Brb can I remove embeds [00:10:24] [1/2] I changed my wiki url and when I log in MediaWiki decides to blow up [00:10:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1311846689593757696/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-11-28_a_las_6.06.50_p.m..png?ex=674a57ef&is=6749066f&hm=ae86f4777f1c02520fc16ed1289d0c078aeeafc5637dba83927fde1acfdc11bd& [00:10:33] https://espanolurbano.miraheze.org [00:10:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1311846744849645668/image.png?ex=674a57fc&is=6749067c&hm=b6e96e3c485f4bb0cfa622a5dfad358ace3eb21a1705547b016bc0532e42f71d& [00:11:57] ^ @MediaWiki Specialists curtesy ping [00:31:04] alr thanks [02:56:10] uhmmm guys? [03:44:53] prob busy due to thanksgiving [03:45:06] just pray to the servers and hope itll all be good 🙏 [03:47:27] forgot that [03:47:39] theres no thanksgiving here [04:53:13] [1/2] am i doing something wrong or cause idfk how to read parser nesting [04:53:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1311917863178866698/image.png?ex=674a9a38&is=674948b8&hm=a176377c4f97c33a014737366aff4b3eb34cf2da0946f988c43e826a6cb38aa4& [05:06:32] actually nevermind, i still dont get how adolf hitler always default to double brackets but i switched it to a switch parser [05:08:24] [1/2] in that screenshot the 2nd ifeq wasnt being considered at all, since thats the "if {{{type}}} doesnt exist" case [05:08:24] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7btype [05:08:24] [2/2] and for the first ifeq anything in type thats not idc ends up giving the 2nd result [07:32:20] [1/2] what extension is used to make this page have a "reply box" [07:32:20] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin_talk:Citizen [07:33:30] snowstacked: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StructuredDiscussions i believe [07:33:39] ooh [07:36:02] apparently i cant use it in miraheze and have to use discussiontools [07:36:07] hopefully it works tne same 🙏 [07:37:07] DT works differently fyi [07:37:43] it's that thing providing the landing page for redlinked talk pages + the reply link-but-actually-button on signed messages [07:50:14] discussiontools is just talk pages w/ nice UI [07:50:51] structureddiscussions aka flow is old, strange and now abandoned basically [07:51:05] I used it for a short while [07:51:47] I do like it its formatting more than talk pages, but gotta admit it's not good [07:52:38] if you're dedicated enough, I'm sure it's possible to turn talk pages into something similar like flow w/ templates, css and js [08:16:40] <.labster> Structured Discussions is actually a pretty nice UI, it's just apparently completely bonkers on the backend and no one can reason about it. Also pages like Topic: are annoying for users. [08:17:15] <.labster> Honestly what I think we all really want is PHPBB linked to the wiki for authorization, and with wikicode to format forum posts. [08:35:28] StructuredDiscussions is unfortunately slated to be removed and loose support because its code base is a disaster [08:35:53] that what I meant yeah, I like the look of it [08:38:16] The WMF have a habit of overcomplicating, poorly developing and eventually abandoning essential extensions [08:38:42] Flow, FlaggedRevs, CentralAuth, CheckUser's Investigate [08:38:54] You must have more @.labster [08:40:11] I'm sure IP Privacy Enhancements & Abuse Mitigations will give us the same tbh [09:01:34] <.labster> I don't actually have any more, but let me remark how bad it is that the authentication layer was left to bitrot until browsers basically had to special case SUL2 because the redirects are so weird, and wikipedia is so central to the internet. [09:16:20] Yup [09:24:07] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1311986038394327060/Screenshot_20241126_154303_Gallery.jpg?ex=674ad9b7&is=67498837&hm=bd0e69a53fc5e148db8ff49275e1459e5d77b526fe4482687f0e23c51a1b2959& [09:27:21] @Discord Moderators [09:33:16] :BanHammerMH: [09:34:06] <.labster> dammit, i was about to get rich quick and mods ruined it [09:35:41] <.labster> now I will never know how to hodl that hot tip [10:00:58] > its code base is a disaster [10:01:09] wmf 🤝 yaron [10:14:52] Oh hey Claire [10:59:22] I got your get rich scheme, trust 😂 /s [11:02:41] always look on the deeper web [11:02:45] aka irc log [11:46:15] IRC never forgets [11:46:25] indeed [12:13:39] guys is there a way to customize the pure black mode in the citizen skin/ [12:14:38] and also the "auto" mode [12:14:45] [1/2] this dude [12:14:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1312028979548520509/image.png?ex=674b01b5&is=6749b035&hm=b52a49abd7373c1639d94af9aed5141595c93862af6f029fdeb2310fbb1813d3& [12:15:35] actually i just figured it out myself damn [12:15:36] [skunked](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1215318818533019648.webp?size=48&name=skunked) [12:16:19] its just `.citizen-feature-pure-black-clientpref-1` [12:17:51] PURE BLACK MODE HAS A CLASS???? [12:17:52] OMG [12:17:59] whut [12:18:00] uh [12:18:02] y e s [12:20:58] btw i also figured out on how to remove the weird zoom effect when you hover over images in the citizen skin [12:47:22] auto is html.skin-theme-clientpref-os [12:47:28] tryna find a way to disable that button 🙏🙏 [12:48:21] Yaaaass [12:48:32] Omg pls that seems so useless [13:28:36] > [29/11/2024 23:47] tryna find a way to disable that button 🙏🙏 [13:28:44] make the interface message for that empty [13:45:21] whats the interface message for it [13:45:32] use ?uselang=qqx to find out [13:48:01] oh my god [13:48:03] lifesaver [13:56:01] wait do i blank the interface message or do i display: none it [14:01:07] blank [14:09:50] What [14:12:45] what? [14:13:08] What does that mean [14:13:11] That thing you sent [14:21:58] this thing reveals how some MediaWiki elements are labeled internally, thus can be changed via corresponding system message (`MediaWiki:` prefix) page [14:53:42] [1/2] @snowstacked whats this on utg lmao [14:53:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1312068980432699392/image.png?ex=674b26f5&is=6749d575&hm=a4328041dbbda845b8c7fb43f0d711fce42d34ccc7eee356a91bedc8f0ce5527& [14:53:47] ah ic [15:15:18] also stackd, i like the way you added extra stuff to the footer of utg wiki, its actually smart [15:15:48] [1/2] like currently on the wiki im working on, its this [15:15:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1312074542327529585/image.png?ex=674b2c24&is=6749daa4&hm=7a68e3f1aecbce4e729219952eb7ccbb2f3677fbf3387b626a2a4b16ba27582e& [15:16:05] and your way is actually a gazillion times better [15:28:08] and also this one mobile is HORRIBLE!.... [16:03:47] pixldev: yes translating templates will get the translation to transclude if it has been marked for translation accordingly [17:30:47] hello [17:31:22] Yello [17:33:18] will there ever be an forum module like how wikia (before fandom came in) had? [17:33:51] You mean WikiForum? [17:34:01] yeah [17:34:02] this extension is dead, basically [17:34:13] nobody maintains it, it has issues [17:34:22] 🥀 [17:34:26] no normal wiki or hosting will try to use it these days [17:34:32] I miss it too buddy [17:34:46] -# My notes 😭 [17:35:02] I can only suggest my bootleg method [17:35:12] show [17:35:15] I mean someone who knows their way around PHP and extensions could maintain it [17:36:19] i still wonder why fandom spams our screen with ads [17:36:57] cus it's fandom lol [17:37:38] you either use as block, striped down mirror or make an account (helps w/ real ads only) [17:37:39] Ads make money [17:38:01] Should always use an ad blocker on the web anyways [17:38:03] they couldve only added 2 or smth [17:38:15] More ads make more money [17:38:26] And the executives demand more money [17:38:33] this always seemed strange to me, like how exactly ads help, I don't think I really saw any useful/interesting for me ad online [17:38:57] must be sad to be working for the executives [17:39:00] Because in this system “a company’s ultimate purpose is to make money for its shareholders” or smt [17:39:21] The sad thing is I hear a lot of fandom staff are cool people who genuinely care about the communities [17:39:26] I don’t know them well personally [17:39:29] I feel like a lot of old Wikia folks were displeased w/ full Fandom rebranding [17:39:36] But still, the rules constrain [17:40:05] they are [17:41:10] Im still in fandom and i know they are cool [17:43:35] [1/5] - a project page as forum index [17:43:36] [2/5] [17:43:36] [3/5] - custom namespace called Forum formatted as discussion pages w/ DiscussionTools extension - basically, they're talk pages [17:43:36] [4/5] [17:43:37] [5/5] - bunch of templates and a bit of CSS to hide real talk page links [17:45:54] [1/2] Wait. [17:45:54] [2/2] Isn't the WikiForum thing in the issue tracker thing? [17:46:26] no? I think that's whole other beast [17:47:52] That’s [[Phorge]] [17:47:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [17:47:53]

[17:48:12] it's like another site engine right? [17:49:03] would be cool if someone will make a new forum like extension, but just earlier today we discussed demise of Flow/StructuredDiscussions [17:53:29] [1/4] Now I'm completely confused. 😭 [17:53:29] [2/4] Under Special:ManageWiki/extensions on the Other tab, there's the WikiForum thing, saying that it's disabled for reason "T11641". [17:53:29] [3/4] And clicking on that leads me to [this](https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T11641). [17:53:30] [4/4] Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding everything there lmao [17:54:45] I think that’s an error on our part [19:20:31] oh hi @darthbooman [19:24:31] How often does the cache for things like Wanted Pages refresh? I'm trying to clear mine out but it's tough when I fix a bunch of them with a template change and they don't leave for like a full day. I don't imagine there's a way to force it to flush is there? [19:25:03] You’d need to request tech purge from the servers [19:26:29] opinions on wiki.gg? [19:29:07] eeeh [19:29:18] i'd like to hear y'all's opinion on it [19:29:44] I wouldn't say it's 100 times better than Fandom [19:29:55] it also has ADs [19:29:56] ah ok, i don't think it's important enough that i need to bother tech about it so i'll just wait it out [19:30:16] thanks for the quick response 🙂 [19:30:32] it's a notable alternative to Fandom, they are competing at this point, but from me personally it's a ast free wiki hosting I'd recommend [19:31:41] wiki.gg on their way to compete Fandom (fandom needs the money so their executives kill them) [19:37:09] Fextralife [19:38:24] never heard of that [19:39:03] I personally do like it and several of my wiki teams use it as their destination for forking [19:39:37] key word "I" [19:39:39] But Miraheze is better if you want more autonomy and no ads [19:39:56] whats' autonomy again sosry i'm dumb [19:39:58] fextra is out of question lol [19:40:16] [[wt:autonomy]] [19:40:16] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wt:autonomy [19:40:17]

[19:40:22] Damn it [19:40:31] Ability to do things on your own on the wiki [19:40:35] [[wiktionary:autonomy]] [19:40:35] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/autonomy [19:40:35]

[19:40:42] ooohhh [19:40:46] Miraheze has very little restrictions [19:40:50] We give a lot of power locally [19:40:54] Customization wise too [19:40:58] ^ [19:41:14] Tons of extensions and skins, near full control over permissions [19:41:20] Rarely interfere locally [19:41:41] [1/2] fandom's layout if it was good [19:41:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1312141452335382660/image.png?ex=674b6a74&is=674a18f4&hm=24019e6109ea7d676cced87b42d541a6ec54f93fd0c6334fc106f4053d0e4dd8& [19:42:15] wiki.gg does have more restrictions and features 2-3 ads per page [19:42:19] Looks too much like Monobook/old Vecror [19:42:42] it still looks good [19:43:02] I agree, Monobook >>>> Oasis [19:43:04] But as an overall host, it's still great, and kinda balances between Fandom's conveniences and Miraheze's autonomy [19:43:27] honestly fandom's staff are great [19:43:39] they are cool imo [19:43:59] Each host has its pros and cons [19:44:01] The fact they don’t have local crats is still so weird to me [19:44:27] In my experience the line fandom staff do the best they can and have not been unpleasant to work with [19:44:40] I know some people hate the support folks(read: the ones trying to close their wiki) but in my experience [19:44:43] Yeah, though it's kinda under a different name, they're permission admins [19:44:46] George 🐐 [19:45:01] they apparently do now [19:45:07] george is often the very axeman to closures, and he is ultimately just following policy pretty much [19:45:11] under strange different name [19:45:30] i still wonder why people hate the support [19:45:42] I don't blame people for doing their jobs [19:45:54] Same for pretty much all Fandom staff [19:46:04] well again, support can often be the hatchetmen, and there are other policies that tie their hands from being helpful in certain situations [19:46:10] Because they go against policy and staff have to punish accordingly [19:46:11] They're all just employees who gotta make a living somehow [19:46:16]