[00:01:24] it changes everything to no text [00:01:30] well like [00:01:31] ill show u [00:01:41] Okay it’s working [00:01:48] Those are the labels for the interface messages [00:01:50] oh! [00:01:51] You can change them [00:01:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313294117899599915/image.png?ex=674f9bf5&is=674e4a75&hm=3d92c927261906ac373ebbcab784741d5e88c6f673fe50e36952ae4b5c015f9d& [00:01:59] where [00:02:13] Mediawiki:sitetitle [00:02:18] Or whatever the text is [00:02:39] OHHH THANKS [00:03:24] How do I change the links they go to? [00:04:41] That’s a good question [00:04:51] I mean I don’t see why you would [00:04:56] Not sure if you can [00:05:16] Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, absolutely should not be changed targets [00:05:22] Donate too [00:05:56] Disclaimers no one gives a heck about I think and about can just redirect or have simple text [00:10:44] duh [00:38:19] When is the fundraiser planned to open? [00:39:31] Likely tomorrow, waiting on board resolution [00:43:54] thanks! [02:48:40] Donations now will still count, just FYI for those interested [02:49:22] See link in #announcements in that case [03:40:11] Damn 10k wiki's, feel like yesterday 5k wiki's was the number that was being said [03:40:40] i'll consider donating but i gotta pay bills first [03:41:33] donating my thoughts and prayers instead [03:55:42] 100%, while we appreciate those who can give, making sure one can give within means and not put personal finances at risk is vastly preferred. [03:56:58] Yeah, the growth following that mossbag video earlier this year has been truly crazy [03:58:35] true! [04:15:27] anyone know how i can see css changes faster [04:22:48] Browser inspector, or personal CSS page [04:51:05] Yeah custom css under preferences >> appearance is near-instant [05:05:55] [1/4] I'm wondering if there is a way to include an image in the title of a Tabber, but something like this just displays the text. Is there even a way to include anything like that? [05:05:55] [2/4] [05:05:55] [3/4] |-| [[File:IMAGE.PNG]] Tab Title= [05:05:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:IMAGE.PNG [05:05:56] [4/4] /tabber [05:05:56] [05:08:02] theres no way i think [05:08:14] [1/2] what extension is this [05:08:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313371194317340704/Screenshot_2024-12-03-13-07-11-42_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=674fe3bd&is=674e923d&hm=1992dcea028c5211e7a1792041b00b769eb6c6f32b83b75106dbd7037dad6aa5& [05:08:27] man that sucks, thanks tho [05:10:22] How long will the donation stay [05:10:57] 💔I only have like 4 dollar rn and I think i need at the very least 3 to pay for my library debt [05:11:07] [1/2] i actually made a js snippet for this [05:11:07] [2/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Tabber_Image_Icons [05:27:37] [1/2] i'd actually just started watching this video lmao; i'd always scrolled past it because it was just preaching to the choir (me) [05:27:37] [2/2] but watching it now it's a pretty good summation on how bad fandom is [05:28:07] it got worse since lol [05:28:25] w/ forking policy update alone [05:28:31] imagine my shock [05:28:40] imagined, because there is none [05:29:02] I'm glad to have made the choice to make a miraheze wiki rather than trying to resuscitate the fandom wiki [05:36:25] Hello I have some questions about wiki. Is it legal to quote some part of the original pdf book to the wiki? [05:36:36] The wiki is meant to be educational [05:38:46] what is it a wiki for? im assuming it's a game [05:39:31] No it's a wiki about personaity typology [05:39:35] Some theories relate to personality [05:39:59] if you're using it as a quote citation, then it should be okay [05:41:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313379658573680671/image.png?ex=674feba0&is=674e9a20&hm=471d15e18b038fee967695d193d0308fbd47d932da366a902a94082f7f09d697& [05:41:55] I mean, is it legal still? [05:43:26] \> except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical reviews and certain other noncommerical uses permitted by copyright law [05:44:01] [1/3] at that, I'm gonna put my big [05:44:01] [2/3] # i am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice [05:44:01] [3/3] disclaimer [05:48:07] Yeah right, I cannot copy paste [05:48:54] if my understanding is correct, you can as long as you put something critical in your inclusion [05:49:10] essentially think about the article like an academic paper, which in some ways it is [05:50:42] officially transformed my citizen skin 💪💪💪 [05:51:58] [1/2] anyone know if this is correct [05:51:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313382195682873384/image.png?ex=674fedfc&is=674e9c7c&hm=704c1d9b3c6e11970d9e7512126ff9289af8eda35adf4d8dd28f23dde8ddbf3c& [05:53:03] wrong [05:53:15] its just `body` not `.body` [06:16:15] ty [06:24:58] Summarization/fair citation is the rule of the day [06:30:00] Alright, I got it [08:21:27] hmm how long does it take to make a wiki [08:21:34] i submitted 29 nov [08:22:34] takes a while considering most Miraheze staff are volunteers [08:23:00] makes sense [08:23:30] man fandom really screwed up our wiki [08:25:39] Oof, what happened? [08:26:16] wiki got false reported my a mad guy in our community [08:26:21] he made a few alts as well [08:27:16] It got deleted? [08:32:33] yea basically [08:41:24] i'm sorry to hear that :(( [08:41:37] do you have all the wiki articles stored somewhere? [09:06:15] any way to change from equal symbols for headers to hashtags? im too used to markdown [09:07:13] got back the data [09:07:24] had nearly like 280 pages [09:07:27] with info [09:07:48] and another 190 pages that needed to filled up [09:07:55] [1/2] well, that's good at least [09:07:56] [2/2] silver lining is that you dont have to contend with fandom SEO [09:08:09] yea i guess [09:08:24] [1/2] still sucks to hear though [09:08:24] [2/2] i hope you get the wiki up and running soon! [09:08:30] thank you [09:09:50] man our wiki had 15+ active contributor [09:10:11] requests are a bit slow these days, not enough reviewers [09:10:27] [1/2] i see [09:10:28] [2/2] its not a problem i can wait [09:16:32] [1/2] I noticed there is not a single dollar on donation. It continues at 0% completion. [09:16:32] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser [09:25:25] progress is updated manually [09:30:09] We could try to put some algorithm on that. Meanwhile i see it at 0% i will think Miraheze doesn't have a single dollar donated. [09:33:36] it just started [09:40:56] [1/3] i got a category that somehow is still present despite me deleting the page and removing all articles that contain the category [09:40:56] [2/3] (just to add extra info, i used it before discovering documentation subpage template) [09:40:56] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313439821447823391/image.png?ex=675023a7&is=674ed227&hm=b4a906dd924e9aa548c907d7ddfd6ecb15853acd68a918c241c5c1deccfdabc7& [09:41:41] no matter how much i check the article that has it and its doc subpage it doesnt have it [09:57:45] Chat I'm rating this [09:58:51] My fucking god THE WIKI IS SO GOOD ON MOBILE [09:58:54] 10/10 [10:02:21] man citizen theme is good [10:03:04] its because it takes a while to update [10:05:16] Im pretty sure it updates manually [10:05:23] Which is kinda slow imo [10:05:57] We could invent some process where it reads from some automatic thing. [10:30:51] data fetcher? [10:51:09] <.labster, replying to avengium> Yes, we don't have any automatic integrations to track donations, and the donations will be updated every couple of days. [10:52:26] <.labster> I guess the question is if people want us to work on a donation progress bar or on wiki software. [10:54:49] I think an automatic progress bar is very important for the donations. [10:55:10] yeah but are you going to make it? [10:55:12] And if the donations are important for Miraheze, we should do something more for the donations. [10:55:59] I don't have permissions or wikigroups enabled to work on Miraheze. I think that needs access to where the data is stored [10:59:35] chat is it possible to add stuff to the sidebar of the citizen skin???????????!?!?! [10:59:54] [1/2] dis one [10:59:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313459694483935272/image.png?ex=6750362a&is=674ee4aa&hm=de3478d93f87df0d24af3baa95ffb23f4fd402724a3e295d47d3ab644342350a& [11:01:25] I think what your wanting is to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar, see https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar for information and how to [11:02:03] it's not just that, won't this thing need an api or something to be coded [11:02:49] no not that, i already figured that one out [11:02:59] I believe our tech folks considered automation, why it wasn't made is another thing [11:03:03] on the fandom wiki this wiki is from, it has a sidebar [11:03:17] I’m not sure what exactly you are wanting then? [11:03:20] Thanks [11:03:26] to show like recent uploaded images, a box of randomized facts ,etc. [11:03:46] oh man that's fandom's own shit [11:04:00] if only it were possible.... [11:04:13] only Cosmos has a space for it, but how you'll add here is beyond my knowledge [11:04:45] because Cosmos is a replica of Fandom's skin [11:04:55] hm... [11:04:58] does the sidebar have a class [11:05:30] Fandom has a lot of stuff they developed for themselves and aren't willing to share, other, largely independent mediawiki folks ofc neither need nor care about it [11:06:29] yup it has a clas [11:06:33] even PortableInfobox we have is a homebrew port I believe [11:06:39] i can probably work with that [11:06:48] and also one more thing [11:06:51] the mainpage tags [11:06:56] (its from an extension) [11:07:02] oh those things are horrible lol [11:07:06] altho i dont think thats counetd [11:07:11] just don't bother, learn flexbox [11:07:13] yeah i realised it WAYYYYY TOO LATE!!!! [11:07:33] just look at my wiki on mobile, and you may want to basically blow your phone up [11:07:48] so uh im tryna find/make a funny suitable replacemen [11:08:08] flexbox [11:08:28] # `f l e x b o x` [11:09:12] aight ill see to this citizen skin sidebar thing later [11:09:29] i got a cringe exam to prepare for (just give me a month of no exams PLEASE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!) [11:36:29] Hi Legroom, I think Special:Analytics fails for some reason. Do you think is blocked because volunteers are updating something or is just a local thing [11:36:40] miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:Analytics [11:36:59] That is Matomo Analytics [11:38:03] you need to give yourself permission to view it iirc [11:38:18] via ManageWiki/permissions [11:43:45] I already have that permission. I used it several times before [11:54:18] Miraheze [11:59:00] @pixldev hey sorry for the ping but, just to reconfirm the roblox api is allowed on miraheze right? [11:59:03] or is it me going insane [12:30:11] p sure someone already said it was accepted [12:32:19] I don't remember off the top of my head, but on whatever wiki you seen it, try and go to the browser inspector and look at the element with it, usually the class and/or id should give an idea of what extension adds something [12:34:07] Hi there how are yall doing I need help is this the appropiate channel ? [12:34:23] sorry to bother btw [12:35:24] If it is a relatively easy to answer qeustion here is fine. If it is a bit more lenghty or complex making a thread in #support tend to give better results [12:36:16] I just want to make a warning box and have no idea how its been like an hour 🫠 [12:44:50] [1/2] the simplest warning box is single or two celled table w/ text inside it [12:44:51] [2/2] the table can be styled to look nicer [12:45:05] things like these boxes are realized via templates [12:45:41] template is a type of wiki page which can be used on any other page, like Template:Stub [12:45:52] i always edit on android tablet 🥲 [12:46:19] there is an add-on for firefox beta which ads web tools [12:46:28] on android [12:46:46] and there's a chromium fork w/ dev tools, kiwi [12:49:44] [1/3] Thanks Legroom. In miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/permissions/bureaucrat [12:49:44] [2/3] I added to bureaucrat the permission called: viewanalytics: view Matomo-collected analytics [12:49:44] [3/3] And now I can see Matomo [12:50:34] I think that permission was added recently. Is not so long that i could check Matomo without needing a permission [12:50:59] because analytics were updated recently [13:19:58] it was pix who accepted it i THINK [13:20:26] no it wasnt [13:20:34] ah [13:20:37] so it seems i forgot [13:22:57] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12091 uhuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [13:23:19] [1/2] time to wait haha... [13:23:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313495788453888010/image.png?ex=675057c7&is=674f0647&hm=71cfe67d12dd5a7e1f5d64badaf48f15eda0b3bf3c90079f7df5fe869465ef45& [13:23:25] a [13:23:51] privacy reputation depends I suppose, but probably not for api [13:24:05] [hey apple](https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1148992883895046206.png?size=160&name=hey+apple) [13:24:56] so technically my thing works (pls be a yes pls be a yes pls be a yes pls be a yes pls be a yes pls be a yes) [13:31:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313497808581431337/Screenshot_2024-12-03-21-31-08-91_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=675059a9&is=674f0829&hm=2f5b0df89e2355561bf4902874889650e44870dd61948f11e6e878a7f781acd1& [13:35:21] I SAID `technically` [13:35:32] die.... [13:46:36] testing this rn brb [13:53:12] [1/2] (what my friend sees) [13:53:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313503305141588071/Screenshot_20241203-075214_Chrome.png?ex=67505ec7&is=674f0d47&hm=6a036cb8bbad67ff187f795330ad147c1ec7920f2799e0d58b441f42bee4f743& [15:41:39] Xlated donation banner [15:45:58] https://nex.f2esports.net/upload/cdn/firefox_2024-12-03_15-43-42.png - Said banner does not want to be centered [15:57:15] Gonna do pt-br soon [16:00:21] <.guardianx., replying to prabhasxd> [1/2] The best part is after you graduate! [16:00:21] <.guardianx., replying to prabhasxd> [2/2] I had nightmares of missing exams for a couple years after graduating, I never missed an exam while attending LOL. [16:07:47] [1/2] sorry guys, can't donate :c [16:07:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313537174351777802/image.png?ex=67507e52&is=674f2cd2&hm=3eeae545fa73705c5d5c6991ed4a4677ef5bacc9d3d941d920991d6800af2c76& [16:16:31] yeah i certainly thought the donor banner broke for me in my wiki cause it felt like its more to the right [16:29:38] Wikipedia ahh 💀 [16:34:21] FrankFrankSakes dude [16:36:31] banner is now fixed with a slight CSS tweak [16:36:41] CSS is confusing [17:48:54] being at 4% already from this message is pretty good [17:49:19] the goal can be accomplished in just 1-3 days [18:07:42] Woah [18:09:15] In fairness the people most eager to donate are probably the first [18:09:23] So I suspect it’ll slow after some time [18:09:34] still [18:09:36] pretty good [18:09:48] Definitely [18:11:57] We may wanna style the fundraiser banner to be more Mira themed [18:12:09] Gold brown and pink [18:12:18] /orange [19:19:19] My wiki request was declined by jph2, but I read the content policy and found there was no reason to decline my request. How do I proceed? [19:19:40] Link? [19:20:04] Oh [19:20:10] Stoneworks request? [19:20:13] yes [19:20:41] are you familiar with stoneworks? [19:20:46] Recognized the username [19:20:50] Yes actually [19:21:13] [1/2] Quite lmao [19:21:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313585854312349706/image0.jpg?ex=6750aba8&is=674f5a28&hm=7632f3fa33a4b5af15efe977a5d41c3c911abcccaa9dd0c5007bc6165bb9dacb& [19:21:35] Wikipedia-tan? [19:21:40] https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878 [19:21:46] Given the apparent conflict of interest in this request I’ll ask @notaracham to explain the decline [19:22:05] [[wp:Wikipe-tan]] [19:22:05] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wp:Wikipe-tan [19:22:06] [19:22:11] [1/2] ``As the server and community has a substantial existing organization managing the discord/wiki and we've been informed there is not currently a consensus among that team to migrate off of fandom, we must decline this request at this time.`` [19:22:12] [2/2] ``We thank you for your understanding and the door remains open to Stoneworks should consensus emerge for migration.`` [19:22:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/51752#mw-section-comments [19:22:23] Yeah basically that [19:22:39] also stoney allows this [19:22:48] Cite? [19:22:55] he wrote it in the corpus law [19:23:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313586379246272612/image.png?ex=6750ac26&is=674f5aa6&hm=47484c03cf573e7a2d46d70eeb65b596e0c86891486637fb4bdbd525593706d0& [19:23:37] This isn’t an objection on legal gorinds [19:23:40] Grounds* [19:23:57] ill ask stoney directly about this to clarify some stuff [19:23:58] To speak separately from my involvement on the miraheze side: As a member of the stoneworks wiki team myself, I can confirm that Stoney is as of last check against a move to miraheze [19:24:32] It was declined because there was no recognized consensus among the SW staff to move from fandom to miraheze [19:24:34] If there's a substantial existing community, and there isn't a consensus to move, we don't permit stray forkings, even if the terms of wiki permit it depending on your deep interpretation of their rules. [19:24:46] Even if he supported it would be the wiki team moving, since the wiki’s structure is designed with the senior administration and server ownership as ultimate authority [19:26:25] Hm, next time put that in the rules, kinda confusing. Thanks for the clarification tho 😅 [19:26:45] No worries, thanks for taking the time to discuss with us! [19:28:24] Do admire your initiative though haha. [19:28:58] People dont like fandom so I decided to come to miraheze :/ [19:29:19] I’ll note that it may be possible for SW to move to miraheze or self hosted eventually, but there are things that need to be done within the wiki team, discussions, logistics, etc [19:29:38] So speaking as wiki staff there is no plans to move as of now [19:30:08] Honestly the team’s resources is mostly spend on maintaining the wiki right now(we get a lot of edits and most of them need to be patrolled) [19:31:16] I see [19:31:44] [1/2] And yeah I have seen quite a few people say that. I mean, I’m in that camp on a personal level, obviously [19:31:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313588498460053665/image0.jpg?ex=6750ae1f&is=674f5c9f&hm=0aca220e81d401af7ab0d32ea0603ae60aa14a6973c984b8d87c710318a063d8& [19:32:25] So there is a shifting consensus to move... [19:34:05] No official discussion. Also, in this case, Stoneworks is an organizational wiki, so an official move would be done by staff(an unofficial move would almost certainly be a train wreck if allowed) [19:34:19] I mean when was the last time stoneworks players reached a consensus on anything [19:35:18] Didn't we use to have polls or something [19:36:47] Votes aren’t consensus(that requires discussion) but yes [19:37:29] The majority of players aren’t involved with the wiki though [19:38:03] And the point of consensus isn’t to see if more people think “ugh new url too much work” or “grrrrr ads bad move to anything else” [19:39:57] thats true lol [19:40:58] Also moderation would be hell if the community argued to appoint people [19:41:18] It would be [19:41:21] Extremely funny [19:41:30] I don't agree to much of the SW rules anyways, so wouldn't be a good idea if I started the wiki lol [19:41:39] now that i think of it [19:41:40] But also probably make a mess for global staff [19:42:23] I’m having fun just imagining the possibilities ngl [19:42:51] Have you discussed this with Raul and Stoney? [19:43:15] A moving to miraheze? [19:43:26] basically [19:44:57] I’m don’t want to reveal much from staff channels but we have talked to Stoney and metagall before. From Stoney, it’s a no but not permanent [19:45:17] Things need to be done. I don’t wanna say much more, you can try to ask him directly but that’s uh [19:45:21] Difficult [19:48:06] xD [19:48:27] Don’t worry its hard for us too [19:48:34] https://discord.com/channels/750726239723061338/1287891397625516094/1288092479463227474 this is how it stands [19:48:48] If things change and I am at the liberty to say, I will [21:22:59] Is it possible to create a link that redirects to the same page you are on, but just scrolls down/up the page, to show you the section that explains what you've clicked on? [21:23:34] [1/2] w/ `#` [21:23:34] [2/2] like `[[#Characters]]` [21:23:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/#Characters [21:23:41] shpp [21:24:46] `#` are anchored to id's, which you get w/ headings (either `` or `=`) or w/ an elemnt w/ an id [21:25:33] like `` works w/ that link too [21:27:43] Ok, thanks. [21:54:38] [1/2] I keep getting "Purge failed" [21:54:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313624465581801542/image.png?ex=6750cf9e&is=674f7e1e&hm=30f5601ea8b9919ed6ade762448dec7278fab4ac04ecf90845872c2113af05a0& [21:54:45] How would I debug this? [21:57:07] [1/2] upon going to ?action=purge and clicking the button I get this [21:57:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313625088980942918/image.png?ex=6750d033&is=674f7eb3&hm=a68e0bf4ee6f0dc9ad57205bf1a7ea6c94b2b43a52bebbc38478fd5a0c8c31f3& [21:57:36] This also occurs if I attempt a null edit [21:57:57] ... all edits, really [21:58:05] What the f- [21:58:09] Oh! [21:58:10] What wiki [21:58:13] The wiki just got smws [21:58:18] Ooooh [21:58:20] https://mathquest2.miraheze.org/wiki/ [21:58:21] That would do it [21:58:28] fair [21:58:36] Anything I need to do or is this a steward thing? [21:58:54] Wikis with SMW are basically bricked til someone in tech runs the script needed to build [21:59:19] ahhh lmao [22:00:14] SMW is kinda goofy ah [22:04:39] Hey, question. Does Miraheze have something like Extended Confirmed Users or is confirmed/autoconfirmed the best we can do.. [22:05:56] By default- nope [22:06:08] If you want it- [[Special:ManageWiki/permissions]] [22:06:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/permissions [22:06:09] [22:06:11] Go nuts [22:07:34] If you want a custom protection level that’s more work and we need to do changes in config(or you could use AbuseFilter, actually what enwiki used to use when ArbCom declared the creation of what would become EC before it was added to the backend) [22:09:02] donated $2.54 cuz thats all i had left [22:09:28] Oh- do I need to request this somewhere? [22:09:50] No tech will take care of it [22:09:56] awesome, thanks! [22:09:57] NA and OS are just in different timezones [23:27:38] <.spacedancer.> Would it really be that helpful if I only donated a few dollars [23:33:24] <.spacedancer.> Also how do I make text redirect to a page if the page has a different name than the text I want to redirect people [23:35:10] This should have already been done, but if it doesn't resolve in a few hours, please file a ticket on our [[phorge]] instance [23:35:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge [23:35:11] [23:40:29] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> The redirects for bots here is the double brackets? I love that detail [23:40:41] <.spacedancer.> Also how do I make categories [23:43:32] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories [23:43:45] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> Thanks! [23:49:11] <.spacedancer.> Can I make a category inside another category? [23:49:16] <.spacedancer.> Like a sub category? [23:55:37] aye [23:56:08] <.spacedancer.> How? [23:57:05] Add a category to the category page [23:57:11] <.spacedancer.> Ok [23:57:13] <.spacedancer.> Thanks