[00:08:04] <.spacedancer.> [1/2] how do I make these boxes [00:08:04] <.spacedancer.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313658043296383047/Screenshot_2024-12-03_190703.png?ex=6750eee4&is=674f9d64&hm=a1175a66204fee0d5c2be73a36a741e659f3e71ca81e3c65f996e4cffb7c42ed& [00:12:44] Awesome, thanks! [00:13:58] <.spacedancer., replying to .spacedancer.> someone please help [00:17:26] [1/2] Is there a way to remove the top text that Miraheze generates on Special:Editcount so it doesn't mess with {{Special:Editcount/user}}? [00:17:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Template:Editcount/user [00:17:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313660401828761670/image.png?ex=6750f116&is=674f9f96&hm=5e7b6c57fdbe266037adc2f33dcef91436e4486745157afcd27fad87cce31395& [00:17:28]

[00:18:15] yes [00:18:21] it should be default [00:18:27] i need to make a patch to that shit [00:18:47] Thank you it's been bugging me for the longest time [00:18:48] <.spacedancer., replying to .spacedancer.> can I get help here? [00:19:07] <.spacedancer.> I'm struggling [00:19:26] The word for that thing is navbox [00:19:33] <.spacedancer.> ah ok [00:19:35] <.spacedancer.> thanks [00:20:01] Making 'em is a bit tricky, but easiest path forward is to find a wiki that does the thing you're wanting, then do what they're doing [00:20:10] add ?uselang=qqx to your url [00:20:23] thatll show you the name of the message [00:20:35] smt like (editcount-label) [00:20:54] then go to [[Mediawiki:editcount-lable]] and blank [00:20:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Mediawiki:editcount-lable [00:20:55] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> how do I see what they are doing [00:20:55]

[00:21:17] Ah that's smart [00:22:34] [1/2] this is an infobox [00:22:35] [2/2] it's like a table but used for only navigation between pages [00:22:43] no [00:22:47] not an infobox [00:22:50] its a navbox [00:22:52] differnet [00:23:08] wait [00:23:10] They're essentially cousins, but yeah, it's a bit more complex than that [00:23:11] MacFan4000: do you wanna promote the fundraiser on the Mira socials [00:23:11] oh [00:23:17] one gives info [00:23:18] MAN [00:23:24] my mind 😞 [00:23:29] the other gives nav[igation] [00:23:41] Wow that's really useful, thanks [00:24:00] So that gives the url of interface text so you can change it? [00:24:15] Or ID I mean [00:24:19] it gives you the id/label/idfl [00:24:27] @pixldev I all ready did earlier. See the latest posts. [00:24:29] [1/2] I'm not really super available right now, but here's a great example: [00:24:30] [2/2] https://planet-crafter.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox/Main [00:24:40] <.spacedancer., replying to pixldev> [1/3] w h a t [00:24:41] <.spacedancer., replying to pixldev> [2/3] 2 people told me navbox one told me infobox [00:24:41] <.spacedancer., replying to pixldev> [3/3] what is it [00:24:48] fandom dev has an example template [00:24:50] <.spacedancer.> also is there a template for it [00:24:54] nav [00:25:03] <.spacedancer.> oh ok [00:25:11] dont listen to stacked he stoopid /joke [00:25:37] <.spacedancer.> I thought you said that [00:25:56] <.spacedancer.> ohhh they edited it [00:25:57] No don’t believe so [00:26:02] <.spacedancer.> nvm I was confused [00:26:21] Let me see if I can find an even simpler one. [00:26:28] <.spacedancer.> I read what you said as "Infobox, not navbox" [00:26:33] <.spacedancer.> I misread [00:27:13] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> this one doesn't divide those into little categories [00:27:25] For that you're gonna need modules. [00:27:52] <.spacedancer.> I thought this would be simple 😭 [00:27:56] You're diving in on the harder end of things if you want a navbox with multiple categories [00:28:31] https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-phone-asleep-sleeping-dead-gif-12810528303367696899 [00:28:44] <.spacedancer.> what even is a module [00:28:58] script [00:31:18] hell [00:31:52] [1/5] So, just starting out, let's focus on basic terminology and what each thing does: [00:31:52] [2/5] * Article - this is any content page, you just write these normally with wikitext [00:31:53] [3/5] * Template - this is a thing you create to automate producing the same thing on multiple pages, e.g. like the same navbox on multiple pages. [00:31:53] [4/5] * Module - This is an even fancier programming thing using Lua that can give new functionality to your wiki that it can't do by default [00:31:53] [5/5] * Extension - this is like a whole dang application you you can add to your wiki that goes even further than modules [00:32:34] Templates can use other templates, and are generally how you access the new functionality a module gives you. [00:32:56] so true [00:33:59] In the example I linked above, pages use a template called Navbox, which in turn uses a module to do all the fancy multi-category stuff [00:34:01] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> ok thanks! I didnt know module and extension [00:35:26] Mediawiki.org has a lot of really nice help pages to cover basic concepts, e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [00:35:48] There's a pretty hefty initial learning curve, but the community is here to help and it does flatten out pretty fast once you get over that initial hurdle. [00:35:49] Navbox.... [00:36:10] <.spacedancer.> I've used some mediawiki help pages before and they help [00:36:21] But in most cases, you can see the actual script behind what people wrote by clicking 'edit source' or 'view source' on pretty much any wiki page [00:36:32] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> Alright thanks for the warning [00:36:50] When they use something like {{bread}} in an article, that means they're calling a the template found at the page Template:Bread to do something [00:36:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:bread [00:36:51]

[00:37:28] <.spacedancer.> I probably shouldn't worry about navboxes yet bc I just found out how to make pages and categories today but I'm gonna try [00:37:39] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> oh ok [00:37:57] Exporing articles on other wikis that are doing fancy things is the fastest way to learn, in my experience, though your experience may not be the same [00:38:21] <.spacedancer.> is there a way to just copy paste the box and edit the redirects? [00:38:24] So if I see a page doing something interesting, I might figure out what template they're using, then go to the template's page and look at what the template is doing [00:39:02] Not exactly. What you're looking for is exporting and importing [00:39:02] <.spacedancer.> ok [00:39:43] With the navbox you sent a screenshot of, I guarantee that there's a page like Template:Navbox and a mess of other related template and module pages that you'll need to have as well on your wiki for all the logic to work correctly [00:40:30] The Special:Export page can allow you to bundle up all of those in a single click, but be warned that places like wikipedia are usually very complicated, so you may have a lot of debugging to go once you import them again [00:41:53] <.spacedancer.> I have a wiki that is on miraheze that I could import it from, would a miraheze wiki be easier to import from than a wikipedia one? [00:41:54] Don't you need to add an extension to use modules [00:42:11] <.spacedancer.> that would make this way worse [00:45:12] ? [00:45:33] yea [00:45:45] <.spacedancer.> ok let me get the page [00:46:04] <.spacedancer.> https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sitelen_pona [00:46:22] <.spacedancer.> I was hoping for something similar to the "Toki Pona" navbox here [00:57:39] No, or rather, the default extension set/mediawiki permits use of modules. [00:58:35] (It's the Scribunto extension, specifically, IIRC) [00:59:33] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> how do I export? I dont really get it [01:00:04] [1/2] Yep, so if you look at the source code for this page, you'll see this at the bottom: [01:00:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313671131219234896/image.png?ex=6750fb14&is=674fa994&hm=908e4f8d639f8a88fa8e5cf0c44762668d45e56eb8bbaaa20f1e3f4b61774705& [01:00:44] [1/4] This is telling you that it's using a series of templates: [01:00:44] [2/4] * Template:General [01:00:44] [3/4] * Template:Writing systems [01:00:45] [4/4] * Template:SP nav [01:01:20] If I go to https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:SP_nav, I see the same navbox displayed at the very bottom of the first page you linked [01:01:49] [1/10] The source code for it looks like this: [01:01:49] [2/10] ```{{Navbox [01:01:50] [3/10] |collapsed={{{collapsed|}}} [01:01:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bcollapsed [01:01:50] [4/10] |title={{tp|sitelen pona}} [01:01:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:tp [01:01:50] [5/10] |link=sitelen pona [01:01:51] [6/10] |group1=Features [01:01:51] [7/10] |list1=[[:Category:Words with sitelen pona glyphs|Words]];[[Combined glyphs]];[[Extended glyphs]];[[sitelen pona radicals|Radicals]];{{tp|[[nasin sitelen kalama]]}} [01:01:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:tp https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/nasin_sitelen_kalama_pi_linja_lilihttps://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:Category:Words_with_sitelen_pona_glyphs https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Combined_glyphs https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extended_glyphs https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/sitelen_pona_radicals https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/nasin_sitelen_kalama https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/nasin_sitelen_kalama_pi_linja_lili [01:01:51] [8/10] |group2=Usage [01:01:52] [9/10] |list2=[[History of sitelen pona|History]];[[Literature in sitelen pona|Literature]];[[sitelen pona fonts|Fonts]] ([[Font guidelines for sitelen pona|Guidelines]]);[[Under-ConScript Unicode Registry|UCSUR]];[[ASCII]];{{tok|[[Wakalito]]}} [01:01:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:tok https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/History_of_sitelen_pona https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Literature_in_sitelen_pona https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/sitelen_pona_fonts https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Font_guidelines_for_sitelen_pona https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Under-ConScript_Unicode_Registry https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ASCII https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wakalito [01:01:52] [10/10] }}``` [01:02:09] Which tells us it uses primarily a navbox template, plus a lot more sub-templates to do different things. [01:03:49] <.spacedancer.> ok! [01:04:35] So here's the really gnarly part: You'll need to figure out all the templates you need to make the page exist on your wiki, and put them all into a list on the Special:export page [01:05:03] <.spacedancer.> no... [01:05:14] tbh might be easier to just make it yourself [01:05:20] [1/2] Helpfully, if you're in that 'edit source' mode where you can see the code behind a template, there's also a bit at the bottom that tells you which templates are used: [01:05:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313672456078098483/image.png?ex=6750fc50&is=674faad0&hm=6be928cf7e08fed141f2bb40b8130dee0bbb9d314c3c00760c1320bd70d7478e& [01:05:33] <.spacedancer.> oh [01:05:34] But yeah, it's a messy process and can go pretty deep. [01:05:36] <.spacedancer.> less hard [01:05:38] <.spacedancer.> oh ok [01:05:44] Because template navbox may also have things it needs [01:06:07] As canada said, it might be easier to make yourself, but there's no quick and speedy way to it. [01:06:26] <.spacedancer.> how long would this take for a beginner like me [01:06:53] I did this once upon a time for my wiki, the importing part was the better part of a week to chase every single thing down. [01:07:13] <.spacedancer.> this is scary [01:07:17] [1/11] at the end of the day a navbox is just a table with links [01:07:17] [2/11] ``` [01:07:17] [3/11] {| class="wikitable" style="width:100%" [01:07:18] [4/11] !colspan=2|Navbox header here [01:07:18] [5/11] |- [01:07:18] [6/11] !row 1 header [01:07:19] [7/11] |[[Page 1]] - [[Page 2]] - [[Page 3]] [01:07:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_2 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_3 [01:07:19] [8/11] |- [01:07:19] [9/11] !row 2 header [01:07:20] [10/11] |[[Page 1]] - [[Page 2]] - [[Page 3]] [01:07:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_1 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_2 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_3 [01:07:20] [11/11] |}```this is basically a navbox [01:07:43] <.spacedancer.> my nightmares will be floating lua code and navboxes from the sona pona wiki now [01:07:44] Yes, what Canada said above. This may be an easier route to go ^ [01:10:48] [1/2] If you want a dead-simple lua-free option, there's something like this: [01:10:48] [2/2] https://rootsofpacha.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Navbox_Characters [01:11:02] It doesn't have the sub-categories like you're wanting, but it is just 100% wikitext [01:11:28] <.spacedancer.> I think without sub-categories is okay for now [01:11:51] This is essentially just implementing the same thing Canada put above, so whatever's clever [01:12:14] <.spacedancer.> ok [01:15:47] is there a way to link pages with simpletooltip [01:38:07] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> [1/2] thanks for the help! I think it turned out well! [01:38:07] <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313680703006707784/Screenshot_2024-12-03_203730.png?ex=675103fe&is=674fb27e&hm=2825a52079f8402d8f77b827bbef4ca1bca66b10747ffd3afc9971d44c28cee3& [01:39:20] Like I mentioned before, big initial learning curve, but every little bit you push through and learn makes each bit after that much easier. [01:39:27] Congrats on getting this in! [01:39:53] <.spacedancer.> Thanks! [01:41:52] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1006789349498699827/1313673496517279764 [01:43:17] Sure, that's something for tech to look at. It's 100% going to be something with CF settings, which means probably RhinosF1 or Agent [02:09:33] Uhhh guys [02:09:35] So [02:09:47] Can i get a donation refunded [02:09:55] Where [02:21:31] fundraising update incoming [02:23:35] Since December 1 at midnight UTC we have raised $837.57 [02:43:31] Holy cow, way to go community donors! Looking forward to joining your ranks once I get paid this week! [03:24:34] toki pona a a a [03:44:44] [1/2] Made a donation just now [03:44:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313712547270098944/Screenshot_2024-12-03_21-42-03.jpg?ex=675121a6&is=674fd026&hm=8009254cf6235185f1362d03ee49829a5f47e6865ebf72ba9fb8dc27357b74a4& [03:47:32] Thank you for your generosity! [04:12:48] how does the Translate extension work? [04:31:14] Very carefully [05:11:37] bad [06:16:08] Non jokes aside, it's complicated and easy to get wrong. Strongly recommended to read the help documentation before using it. [07:00:47] sorry to kill the vibe but i would like to return a donation [07:00:56] pls [07:00:59] how do i do that [07:03:58] why you donated if you needed money?.. [07:06:11] Which method did you use for donation? [07:07:43] just help me here pls dont jusge [07:07:48] :/ [07:07:58] uhh donorbox [07:08:07] they said i needed to contact the org i donated to [07:08:14] so here i am [07:08:39] can i possibly get re-funded or am i fucked here [07:25:29] Via stripe or PayPal? [07:25:35] It seems possible [08:49:40] [1/2] Well, I just sent another $10! Supporting an ad-free wiki is definitely worth it. [08:49:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313789309731475539/image.png?ex=67516924&is=675017a4&hm=f0f4ed823053bb58480a20784d5cdba6f75dfd71a2336d2ad63bafda4cb43ffa& [10:16:33] Too broke to donate [10:16:59] Even if I had the money, I'm not even sure if I can donate in rupees [10:33:05] currency change is aaa bee indeed [10:56:07] googlepay 💀 [11:34:47] Stripe then [11:35:01] Send the receipt to @serverlessharej via email [11:35:37] Exchange rate and fees will be a bit rubbish but please do [11:35:52] If you have the money, we can currency exchange [11:36:50] not sure how much 3 dollars is in rupees [11:37:03] [1/2] yeah im ultra broke. [11:37:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1313831432321503272/image.png?ex=6751905f&is=67503edf&hm=d7c512f0b6d85868b37bddeee9de8d0a97bf27012cecb8faef5a9fe91d9326a2& [11:37:04] bank usually does the conversion [11:37:10] oof [11:37:23] I mean, it's not obligatory [11:37:43] I would donate but can't technically lol [11:38:45] glad to see that people do value and support Miraheze [11:48:04] [1/2] i could donate in takas [11:48:04] [2/2] but my card doesn't have the insurance for conversion [11:50:56] oof.\ [12:07:59] discord quest is too op [13:16:51] its like 370 takas 😭 [13:17:17] is that [13:17:20] expensive as hell or....... [13:19:28]