[01:04:17] @theburningfirethatscorchessouls deathbattle.miraheze.org [01:14:48] How important is it that I download the full wiki dump with version history? [01:15:26] Because the wiki says I have to, but i was kinda hoping to avoid that because there’s a bunch of racial slurs and other “wonderful” content [01:51:06] Ngrgh, is there a way to make the mobile editor act normal, rather than starting without the editor? That causes it to lose what I was working on if Firefox android breaks [01:51:20] which it does far more than is ideal [02:18:32] ? [02:18:37] What wiki is this? [02:19:32] Regretevator wiki [02:19:44] Roblox wikis attract a lot of nasty people [02:19:49] To put it lightly [02:20:31] Is this referring to the fandom wiki? [02:20:34] I was a content mod on the fandom one and I spent a lot more time deleting slurs and inappropriate content than you would think [02:20:37] Yeah [02:20:48] Don’t think anything has happened on the miraheze [02:21:13] How come you’re downloading the dump? [02:21:21] But if i upload the full revision fandom dump then it’ll include all the nasty ones [02:21:29] Just got admin of the miraheze one [02:21:32] Hoping to fork [02:22:21] It’s several months behind so a dump seems most convenient [02:23:46] yikes, at least my big project wiki is obscure enough there isn't a fandom one to draw with (on the other hand that means writing everything from scratch) [02:24:13] I don’t think you can legally take all of the fandom wiki’s content to host on another platform [02:24:21] Without proper attribution [02:24:44] Yeah [02:24:56] Fandom wikis are under CC-BY-SA 3.0 [02:24:57] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ [02:25:08] Best i can do is probably go through all the pages and purge the slur edits right? [02:25:19] And I dunno how [02:25:27] Happy everyone editing that wiki would be [02:25:38] If you copied all of their work to host on miraheze [02:26:12] Have you talked to the fandom staff? [02:26:24] Most of the fandom staff are insctive [02:26:37] The server is kinda a mess [02:26:45] Like I said i did work there, it’s just [02:26:47] Messy [02:27:00] I’d suggest trying to talk to the admins or whoever You can [02:27:06] On the fandom [02:27:20] And clear this before you go ahead with this idea [02:27:23] Staff spend more time fighting over the qotd than they do editing [02:27:34] That doesn’t really matter [02:28:22] If someone copied the entire wiki I manage and hosted it on wiki.gg I’d be majorly pissed, and I know pretty much everyone else who edits and is on the staff team would be as well [02:29:28] Try and get in contact with someone and talk about this with the community first, going ahead without any sort of contact would probably result in a pretty decent upset [02:29:48] I know the head admin was thinking about quitting, so I’m more concerned about regular editors [02:34:03] Do you think bringing it up on the server or actual wiki would be useful [02:34:28] Wherever you can reach people [02:34:30] Probably bth [02:35:05] I know some of the more active users are just on the fandom, but fandom doesn’t exactly permit discussion of forking [02:35:21] And the wiki server has almost nothing to do with the wiki at this point [02:36:35] Also it’s a roblox game wiki so most of the fandom wiki discussion page is just kids posting [02:37:06] Even then [02:38:46] How do you recommend getting around fandom? [02:38:55] I’ve been on forked wikis [02:39:07] Fandom staff is really anal about anything forking related [02:39:12] Fandom allows for discussion about forking [02:40:03] And I am [02:40:05] Very aware of this [02:41:29] ‘Raise your hand if you think fandom has bad forking policies’ and the ground quakes from everyone moving at once [02:42:10] When does fandom usually actually step in when talking about forking? [02:42:36] When you advertise the fork after the discussion [02:42:43] Onwiki [02:48:21] How should I bring this up? [02:59:40] iirc you have to post a 2 week discussion about it [02:59:42] the rules are very finicky [03:00:07] see [03:00:41] idk where i got 2 weeks from but see point 2 [03:01:35] ive no idea what the protocol is if youre not part of the original staff team and are discussing a fork [03:01:56] it would probably be easier to try and reach out to bureaucrats and see if they can help or give you their blessing or Something [03:02:19] Honestly posting does seem useful, but I’m admittedly not a social person [03:02:39] if you arent on the original staff team its p much a requirement unfortunately [03:02:51] I was on the staff team [03:02:57] ahh my bad i skimmed [03:03:17] I got removed, never got told why because nobody talks to each-other on the wiki [03:03:30] it may be seen in bad faith to migrate the wikis entire content over [03:03:38] you will need that revision history (for a lot of reasons, unfortunately) [03:03:50] so a discussion is probs your only option, if the wikis been abandoned by its staff [03:04:21] phightingwiki got around it by the fandom wiki being founded by the IP holder, so while fandom didnt like it, they couldnt stop us forking without discussion. bc the discussion was literally [owner of ip] going "can we stop using fandom pls thx" and i made it so (LOL) [03:04:33] There’s technically staff, they just aren’t talkative [03:05:02] i think they need to post a fork discussion then, but the policy is vague on purpose bc fandom doesnt want you to fork [03:05:08] The head admin is more interested in the wiki discord server than the wiki afaik [03:05:21] have you like, DM'd them about it? [03:05:29] He doesn’t allow dms [03:05:32] i see [03:05:40] I’d have to make a server ticket or something [03:05:49] if you want to dump the wiki you probably are gonna have to [03:06:13] I just contacted fandom staff and they made the dump [03:06:22] odd [03:06:36] Just reached out again about updating it [03:06:37] you will probably earn a lot of sour reactions though if you just co-opt everyones work without consent [03:06:46] so try and reach out as much as you can and get the staff on board [03:07:21] phwiki also escaped this bc a huge majority of our actual page content was written by wiki staff who agreed to the migration [03:07:25] but regretevator is waaaay larger [03:07:28] The discord is also a mess but that’s another story [03:07:33] and you have way more people who contribute who may not agree to a migration [03:07:37] That’s how the limbus wiki got out [03:07:59] do you have anyone else working w you? a mh wiki is a lot of work to maintain esp if you want it to take over the fandom wiki [03:08:10] Tbh my main concern about posting on fandom is that most of the replies will be children who treat the site like twitter for babies [03:08:20] the nature of discussions sadly [03:08:30] Like most of the replies to any mod applications opening are just reaction images [03:08:56] I’m pretty sure the actual wiki is kept running by a few editors [03:09:08] yeah, those people need to be consulted, esp if you want the mh wiki to succeed at all [03:09:10] I think if they would move I’d be good [03:09:21] some people do not want to move and it can take a lot of convincing [03:09:25] Time for the ticket ig [03:09:28] best of luck [03:09:33] Thank you [03:09:46] will be good to see regretevator on mira but i dont envy you LOL [03:09:50] phightingwiki is already my burden/s [03:10:16] today i had to fight the roblox api to figure out how to query place visits lol [03:10:31] I’m hoping loosing a bunch of the younger users who use fandom like twitter will increase the wiki quality [03:10:39] anecdotally we found that to be the case [03:10:46] we do lock our main pages bc im not messing around but i see waaaay less vandalism [03:10:55] i do also have a reputation for being a hardass so that prob helps but/s [03:11:10] I wanna get around to rewriting all the chara pages eventually [03:11:14] godspeed [03:11:19] we're still working on it and its taking my entire life [03:11:31] since phwiki is official and represents the dev team the devs want all and any vandalism to be stomped out, ive done a decent job i think [03:11:40] Honestly [03:12:01] Most of the regret wiki vandalism was just slurs [03:12:05] yeahhh [03:12:11] we got a lot of that for some reason too, idgi [03:12:14] i just ban. i cba [03:12:14] I have a feeling most of the actual bad writing is kids [03:12:27] ill give people second chances if they genuinely apologize but we just dont have time for that nonsense [03:12:39] I wouldn’t even do that [03:12:49] if theyre like a genuinely remorseful kid ill consider it LOL [03:12:51] but otherwise nah [03:13:28] Someone posted gore on the wiki server and one of the users was like “errr… rule 9” instead of pinging server staff [03:13:35] 😭 [03:13:42] Granted they were also useless but like come on [03:14:04] For people running a discord server full of children you think they would be a lot more concerned about this [03:14:06] im in charge of mentoring all of our wiki editors and would-be editors and i do sometimes feel like burying myself in sand [03:14:18] but thankfully our wiki work takes place in phightings official server so the mods take care of stuff for me [03:15:00] I’d love to partner with the dev team but i have no idea how that would happen [03:15:08] Especially with how big the axosun server is [03:15:26] you can always reach out, yeucc is extremely busy but hes relatively chill from what i know [03:15:33] phightings lead artist works on regretevator too so theres that [03:15:47] Yeah, I’m just not a big talker [03:15:59] At least yeucc speaks english, which makes my lofe a lot easier [03:18:25] A lot of the people I work with don’t speak English [03:19:00] Also opened the ticket so we’ll see how that goes :Partyheze: [03:22:26] I think the RobloxAPI extension has a parser function foe that [03:22:41] Soda works on it? [03:23:12] Wiki warden protc [03:24:57] Also is getting content for phighting as miserable as it is for regretevator? [03:25:12] Wdym miserable [03:25:32] One of the main things people use the regret wiki for is convos between characters [03:25:38] most of the phighting wiki warriors dont seem to be cursing aidns name or jumping into Special:Delete so [03:25:42] Ah [03:25:46] That I’m not sure [03:25:48] Maybe [03:25:53] And you can only get those characters on certain floors [03:26:06] But aidn and soda do support the wiki by giving us art and numbers sometimes kinda maybe [03:26:12] And they can also leave and die [03:26:37] So there’s a ton of rng that goes into finding these unless you have a lot of tickets [03:26:42] It can take hours [03:27:19] Even with the tickets there’s still rng with the leaving and death [03:28:01] And i’m pretty sure some characters have lower probabilities to converse even when they’re in the same elevator together [03:28:03] i just used externaldata atm [03:28:24] it can be [03:28:26] Like someone mentioned having two npcs in for like an hour before the finally spoke to eachother [03:28:48] we spent about 2 hours trying to trigger one line of dialogue noone was sure was real Or that its trigger condition was even programmed in [03:29:03] it was so inconclusive even once we triggered it we had to ask the programmer if that was the actual condition [03:29:28] I kinda hope if we partnered with the devs they would just hand it over [03:30:17] I remember one time they were posting about wiki mistakes in a channel 😭 [03:30:29] see [03:31:07] [1/2] the devs dont want to hand it to us because its part of the fun, its one time a lot of players can contribute [03:31:08] [2/2] but theres going to be a huge dialogue revamp soon when the game moves into beta and they said in that instance theyll just give us it all LOL [03:31:26] then its back to fighting for our lives to find one line [03:31:42] I have mixed feelings because like [03:31:59] It is fun to go chase down a new npc for their dialog [03:32:09] But at some point it turns into a chore [03:32:23] in the phighting discord, i oversee the channel where people send new dialogue [03:32:27] Like i have a life man [03:32:41] im pretty methodical about it but i let the players find it, and then have my staff collect it all [03:32:51] hundreds of hands is better than two [03:32:55] That sounds nice [03:33:17] It kinda happens on the current wiki but it’s either in random discussion posts or the comments [03:33:50] yeah, we have a forum for it in phighting dc [03:33:57] and i am very mean and dont allow chatter [03:34:05] I already made a server for the new wiki [03:34:12] I should make that tbh [03:34:17] Nobodies there but like [03:34:35] If the fork does work out it will hopefully get some use [03:35:11] Another issue with forking/migrating is actually advertising and getting the newer wiki into people’s view [03:35:20] life is amazing [03:35:28] I was hoping it would work out like it did on the limbus wiki [03:35:39] Where with all the main editors gone it fell to ruin [03:35:46] If you have support and endorsement from the developers you’ll be fine and word spreads well, but if not I’d imagine it could be difficult [03:35:47] it honestly depends on the community [03:35:57] yeahh it was a pain in the ass to get phwiki to take over the fandom wiki. lots of dev endorsement and the main artist looking at my cool css on stream and also aggressive SEO and also loudly talking about how much fandom sucks [03:36:05] and i still get people using fandom. its been a year [03:36:07] And people advertised the new one on twt and stuff because most people were very happy we left fandom [03:36:33] regrets so big you may have a hard time [03:36:35] For context limbus is a gacha game so it gets new content like weekly [03:36:39] do they want to move? what do they think about forking? do they agree? [03:36:42] And there’s always the on-wiki crowd and casual players who don’t know about either wiki and rely on search engines and whatnot [03:36:51] So it didn’t take too long for it to fall to ruin [03:36:57] It’s still in ruin [03:37:23] my tactic was to let benign vandalism slide until the fandom wiki became so unusable people Have to use the official wiki by default [03:37:33] Yeah that’s what we did too [03:37:37] We even had a massive raid [03:37:37]