[00:00:42] <.corky.> Hey guys, any way to check before I apply for one if a wiki would be suitable for Miraheze? [00:01:12] <.corky.> I've read through the Content Policy and I don't see an issue with it under the wording used but there's one or two points I'm unsure of with it [00:30:22] Feel free to place your questions here or in a #support thread, I'd be happy to give a quick high-level review [00:31:10] <.corky., replying to notaracham> Thanks! What tag should I place it under in support [00:31:59] <.corky.> Actually it's short I won't make a whole thread for it; I'll just put it here [00:36:23] <.corky.> [1/3] Insults, hate, or rumours: [00:36:23] <.corky.> [2/3] The wiki we're hoping to transfer is comprised of factual information but in some particular cases where we mention people who are apart of the community it's based around, we do have to warn readers of potential problematic behaviour, where they may have been accused of something or other with a document involved. We write it out impartially but I'm unsure how averse you guys are [00:36:24] <.corky.> [3/3] to this sort of topic on your wikis [00:37:22] miraheze is averse to hit pieces, extremely partial handling and open stuff like 'oh yeah x guy is a pedo btw', and cases where a local wiki is unable to moderate this despite initial good impressions [00:37:31] if these pitfalls can be avoided then the idea should be workable [00:37:59] <.corky.> Ok that sounds workable which is a big relief 😮‍💨 [00:40:04] <.corky.> [1/2] Second thing is under Scope, with the discernible standards part [00:40:04] <.corky.> [2/2] The line of when a particular type of page is made is a little blurred at the moment. We have been working on something to make it a little more concrete but at the moment it's purely based on somewhat subjective views from the moderators of the wiki [00:40:07] <.corky.> Is this too little a scope [00:40:38] <.corky.> Subjective views being a person's judged impact on the community [00:40:47] <.corky.> (not based on controversy, should add) [00:42:02] essentially the problems in those wikis is potential libel and the moderation overhead if you're running into a regular crowd that's going to disagree, resulting in abuse of alts, requiring intervention to remove on a fairly regular basis (which would be complicated if the content itself does a poor job staying moderate) [00:42:48] as scope is concerned that doesn't really say what the community at hand is about, unless it's a wiki talking exclusively about how people impact a community [00:43:21] if it's more than that, then scope would be looking for what content/community is the wiki about, and what factors does it cover including coverage of user impacts on the community [00:44:07] <.corky., replying to raidarr> The community itself is about accounts on a certain platform that portray a story through either their game, profile, etc [00:44:19] <.corky.> Most of the pages are related to said accounts, which we do have a clear scope for [00:44:40] <.corky.> But the pages I'm a little more dubious about are the ones for the regular participants of said activity [00:44:43] If needed, could lock down editing to only trusted users [00:45:03] <.corky.> Is that available per page? [00:45:21] pages can be individually protected to a trusted editor group, technically speaking [00:45:31] apologies if I'm a bit messy, not super well and a bit muddled today [00:45:44] <.corky.> No it's okay I gotcha [00:45:50] <.corky.> Fully understandable [00:47:23] I would say making a custom trusted edior group that can edit any uh "controversial" pages (locked down so anons/untrusted users cannot edit it) may be a wise idea @.corky. [00:48:27] [1/3] I think I sort of get what the scope is on about but can't rephrase it properly, so I think what I'd say is to expand on the quoted line + what community it is specifically (so WCs can look at that and know what you're discussing), elaborate a little more on how the accounts thing works if that is the primary function of that community, and then send it to a wiki creator/steward by P [00:48:27] [2/3] M (notaracham is fairly active and can forward to the wider team for review as need be) [00:48:27] [3/3] that can get you a pretty solid idea of any further pitfalls [00:48:38] duh, forgot to quote it [00:49:44] <.corky., replying to raidarr> Thank you very much 🙏 [00:49:57] <.corky., replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> And yeah, this is a good idea [00:50:13] <.corky.> I'll relay it back to the rest of the staff [00:51:07] <.corky., replying to raidarr> Also a final question, not sure if you would know specifically but, how do you guys deal with privacy deletion requests [00:51:44] <.corky.> Because we had a vandalism attempt recently where someone emailed fandom about a few pages claiming the accounts were all them (they were not and they had no proof of ownership) and got them deleted [00:52:29] <.corky.> And this is a massive loophole that we were totally unaware of [00:54:31] it depends, this tends to be the main policy on that which wouldn't to my knowledge support a request for removal purely because the accounts were owned by someone https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Disclosure_of_Personal_Data_on_Wikis [00:55:04] stewards tend to only step into that if there is credible libel and the like, otherwise it's not a crime to write about people even if they wouldn't necessarily like to be written about [00:55:40] but I would get a current steward/ts consensus on that to be sure, I don't believe miraheze has had that specific situation come up [00:57:15] <.corky., replying to raidarr> I think in one particular page's case it was one of our pages with the potential problematic behaviour tag [00:57:30] <.corky.> Although we don't just publish false statements without some kind of backing so [00:57:40] <.corky.> On that front it should be fine, right? [00:58:03] <.corky.> I'll ask a Steward to be sure but let me read through this as well I don't think I saw this page [00:58:11] <.corky.> (Personal Data one) [00:59:09] Stepping back in as life decided to eat my time for a secodn [00:59:20] Raidarr largely has you on the right track, a few thoughts [00:59:36] NA's the best authority on this [00:59:48] I defer to him and call it a night [00:59:54] <.corky.> LOL [01:00:01] <.corky.> Alright thanks for your time Raidarr [01:00:21] * "Community Drama" wikis have a steep uphill path to approval as they tend to be huge targets for vandalism/bias and such, and are a moderation headache for their maintainers. It doesn't sound like this projact would be that, but worth keeping in mind [01:02:39] <.corky., replying to notaracham> On that second point, do you mind if I shoot you a DM or something with the specifics [01:04:13] Sure, I'm still bouncing between a few things but will get back to you when I can [01:04:34] <.corky.> Alright thank you, I just don't want to annihilate general with a miniature thesis [01:04:52] <.corky.> (It won't be that long I swear) [01:04:54] Yep, that's why we usually divert to support threads when small questions become bigger topics. 🙂 [01:05:07] Easy to flood general or get lost when general is very active [01:05:28] <.corky.> Yeahhh my bad, wasn't sure which tag to pick 😅 [01:05:49] <.corky.> Alright let me write up what the community is about and I'll shoot it to your DMs [01:37:36] [1/2] Is there anything that could be done to make sure cached SMW data gets updated a little more regularly? I just found an embedded query on my wiki that contained outdated data which had been fixed on the source page four months ago. Of course, 99.9% of pages do not have this problem, but I want to prevent anything else from slipping through the cracks like that. Certainly every ti [01:37:37] [2/2] me a page is edited, the changes should be propagating. [03:38:33] i use a templatestyles workaround so it should be okay 🙏 [03:48:18] how do yall get motivation bc i haven't had motivation to edit my wiki since like october 😭 [03:48:21] [gampy](https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/926689534220046367.png?size=160&name=gampy) [03:49:25] "if i don't work on it people will use fandom" [03:50:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323498510011732018/GgDVzp3WYAAM7gd.jpg?ex=6774bb8a&is=67736a0a&hm=fb96830d365a228971a8df7323765a3ecacfaf4a386e23905e2c05940909ab84& [03:50:49] car and feesh [03:51:55] lmao exactly [03:52:02] or you're just burnt out and ran outta ideas [03:54:27] ijbol true [03:54:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323499604393726052/image0.jpg?ex=6774bc8f&is=67736b0f&hm=4f794525cbdd5e8eebaedebc51eb3103feb8c413c796d88e6e35c574ebb0ee5a& [04:02:29] whats the best way to upload multiple files at once? [04:06:51] msupload [04:37:41] what is bro doing [04:37:58] hiding things if things go over the second row [05:24:35] hey, thank you greatly. this really helps [06:29:07] man last day of 2024 😭 [06:29:22] 2024 felt like a big timelapse [06:31:51] [1/2] typo [06:31:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323539099465814064/image0.jpg?ex=6774e157&is=67738fd7&hm=5e0a5083d020500610d5aea95e2966a875a1cd1df3dc89b13143c9146082c308& [06:33:19] didnt they check before making extension live? [06:35:06] theyre probably fast typers :shrug: [06:37:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323540575219224657/image0.jpg?ex=6774e2b7&is=67739137&hm=be6181ec64a1d322b4ed62f3a122832c8dfa86420dc482b09d4e55819ababe64& [06:51:09] Iamge 🗣️ 🔥 [06:51:41] 305 WPM 🗣️ 🔥 [07:03:19] I wonder if there's an extension to schedule an edit to be published at a certain time [07:56:34] I love the Analytics panel but today is the first day I spotted nsfw search terms on a sfw wiki 👁️👄👁️ [09:00:09] [1/2] Installing interactivemaps extension causes the word "map" when searched to throw a Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Assert\PreconditionException" [09:00:09] [2/2] Anyone know if that can be fixed? [09:11:12] bad gateway ❤️ [09:20:56] Please open a task on our issue tracker [09:21:22] Sure. Uhm.... where do I do that? [09:21:50] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org [09:21:56] Use the login with mediawiki option [09:21:57] Oh, gotcha. Thanks. [09:25:13] ngl I get the same thing - for me, it helps if I work on different parts of the wiki. For example, even if I don't have motivation to create one type of page, I might have motivation to create another type, to work on categories, to work on css, that kind of stuff [09:26:50] So, my recommendation would be to try and split up different tasks on the wiki in your mind, to trick your brain into thinking of htem differently so you're more likely to be motivated to do at least one type of task [09:29:22] Yeah, that's what I do too. I single handled created a massive wiki for a huge game by just hacking away at it in tiny steps. Like one day I'll make inline icons for item linking and then another day I'll spell check x and y page, then another day I'll create a template. Breaking a monumental task into very doable tiny steps adds up over time. [09:39:25] [1/2] still can't figure out what class this is ): [09:39:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323586299176943626/image.png?ex=67750d4c&is=6773bbcc&hm=deed36578b16e2eaf1897d60666c349189e5198e516a4489106a3bc549e1ef50& [09:39:42] thought I had it with .pi-horizontal-group-background, but, didn't work ): [09:41:23] ooh nvm I htink I got it!!! [09:41:29] [1/4] .portable-infobox .pi-horizontal-group-item:nth-child(2n) { [09:41:30] [2/4] background-color: #173452; [09:41:30] [3/4] } [09:41:30] [4/4] I is Genius [09:41:45] (I Is also slightly concerned about the word "child" but there we are) [09:41:51] (codes have children now???) [09:58:08] [1/3] there are parent and child elements, yes [09:58:09] [2/3] for example there's an image inside div block - the latter would be parent element [09:58:09] [3/3] hierarchy stuff basically [09:58:48] in this case child is used for rows because infobox is a table at its base [09:59:15] I can give you some of my old PI CSS as example [10:16:03] Any suggestion _(:з」∠)_ [10:33:39] [1/3] is this allowed to edit on any part of other people discussion and hid the revision history without legal reason like this? Mockupedia admin who got demoted by @Stewards did that again [10:33:39] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323599947639291935/image.png?ex=67751a02&is=6773c882&hm=0f2c72f5dd4178786992675012c50fce151e4bc839197dbee8e8814279a670ec& [10:33:39] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323599947832098897/image.png?ex=67751a02&is=6773c882&hm=2d16babfa60089982b769cdc95e6dd254632f5a338a6f81929d5fd336296881c& [10:41:00] Ooh, yes please! [10:42:56] [1/4] this is how it looks like [10:42:56] [2/4] [10:42:57] [3/4] this is CSS [10:42:57] [4/4] [10:44:45] ooh, so, I can put the css in a template intead of in the commons.css? [10:45:07] thanks so much, this really helps! [10:46:28] this requires TemplateStyles extension, the code I sent can be put in Common.css too [10:46:56] Do you think it would be better to use templatestyles, rather than put it in commons? [10:48:29] I personally prefer TemplateStyles, but I tend to go overboard w/ it, not something I suggest to beginners, and bear in mind that template should have the styling tag for it to work [10:48:44] styling tag? [10:49:29] (I think I'll stick to commons for now anyway, just interested) [10:50:33] [1/3] it's all in extension documentation, really [10:50:33] [2/3] common.css is just easy beginner friendly rout [10:50:33] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323604200348844045/IMG_20241231_134945.jpg?ex=67751df8&is=6773cc78&hm=8a1086ee9bd4e1e6ce4cee801adc9ca36a7a3e4591e8ec5b3b46f541657e126e& [10:51:47] Ah, gotcha - I fear my commons.css is getting a bit, well, messy, but as I want all my infoboxes to have the same styling, it's probably easier to just do it all in commons [10:58:21] it's not necessary for each template to have their own styling subpage, my example pretty much one page for all infoboxes [10:58:50] is there a way to change/switch a template depending on dark and light mode [10:59:26] give template styling w/ darkmode's special classes [10:59:42] thx man [10:59:46] I don't have examples tho, I do not like DarkMode [11:00:01] but we have ThemeToggle soon [11:00:22] no problem i think i can find that info online. darkmode class right? [11:00:35] check documentation on mw.org [11:00:46] [[mw:Extension:DarkMode]] [11:00:46] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DarkMode [11:00:47]

[11:00:59] thx man [11:27:41] ooh, maybe that would be useful then - I'll try it out, but if I get confused I'll switch back to commons! [12:52:30] [1/2] how do i remove these buttons so that the categories are just one page instead of multiple [12:52:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323634893103824936/image0.jpg?ex=67753a8e&is=6773e90e&hm=aa6d991ee6c8a52141e8beb890a5b17f9d1b3f2b99f8726ea167a1dc2967b595& [12:54:34] up the category page limit in settings [12:56:19] hiding buttons won't make all 210 pages appear too, completely different things [12:58:58] oh [13:02:19] These buttons only appear as soon as the page limit has been reached. [13:02:36] Up the page limit, and these buttons will disappear [13:03:26] thanks yall ! [13:59:37] [1/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1316976511420727327 what if i wanted to add a custom button here (e.g image button that links you to a category) [13:59:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323651782961926184/image0.jpg?ex=67754a49&is=6773f8c9&hm=73a1e135640882588ad74de3bfda5dbfbab6620f84e3d080c987f21214fe3012& [14:35:27] <.guardianx., replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thats really cool, I didn't understand how per-template stylesheets worked! [14:38:32] JavaScriot [14:38:38] (or Vue) [15:42:19] dang, just missing 600 bucks [16:08:49] is there a way to exclude people from being flagged as bots? [16:09:16] it seems for some reason me and my friend both get flagged as 'bots' [16:11:16] ah this also seems to happen right after i got promoted to a bureaucrat and this has been happening to him since the start, we are both bruehaufuuwurcars [16:11:48] maybe you slapped bot flag on bureau group? [16:12:00] maybe? how can I check [16:12:06] there's no way a bureau is a bot by default [16:12:26] Permissions link in administration sidebar [16:12:34] i'll check but I don't think so cause [16:12:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323685257441968148/IMG_9372.png?ex=67756976&is=677417f6&hm=e01a5363d76f7dcb4b5f231699eec84c1d941268cd394f1aec915e126e67f58e& [16:12:42] Check if the crat group has the bot permission assigned [16:12:50] yeah [16:12:51] i haven't gotten flagged as a bot here, maybe it depends on how big the edit was ..? [16:12:53] i'll check [16:13:35] The screenshot above doesn't show a bot edit, it shows a minor edit [16:13:50] yeah-here's the rest hold on [16:14:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323685763333750875/IMG_9373.png?ex=677569ee&is=6774186e&hm=c0a884c75735d3e186a557068fdeb4b2996bb3025cb062b8cc56df5932d235f3& [16:14:58] Link the wiki, I'll figure it out [16:15:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323685885014835262/IMG_9374.png?ex=67756a0b&is=6774188b&hm=f9e974a9b94924c7aab89b3b77b1982d8684f5cfa4cd6e97487522a8040a12b0& [16:15:08] ah no [16:15:12] that explains .. [16:15:14] Yep, that's it [16:15:17] i'm not sure why it was enabled @_@ [16:15:34] thanks very much I'm not very familiar with miraheze yet so I have to ask these minor questions [16:43:15] How would I add an image in the top left corner of my wiki? [16:45:18] [1/2] also, even though I did this (the link does work and lead to the required image) it still does the default favicon [16:45:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1323693476486975588/image.png?ex=6775711d&is=67741f9d&hm=f243ac44f4a6ec028db26dba192b0bd34ac48f13f3df1c4c43ef2cbb33adeb00& [16:45:43] when I used the old one with the same settings it worked fine [16:45:58] favicon should be same as apple touch icon [16:46:10] the link I mean [16:46:27] I should add a link under favicon? [16:46:28] also all these settings take a bit of time to start working [16:46:34] yes [16:46:38] alright then [16:46:49] also any idea how I can make dark mode the default? [16:47:55] what're all the 'skins' anyway [16:48:03] how can i get a preview of each? [16:49:22] [1/3] nope [16:49:22] [2/3] unless you'll restyle the wiki to be dark, and thus "switch to dark" will make it light lol [16:49:22] [3/3] there's a new extension to be added in new year, it's a bit more complicated but will do for default dark mode [16:50:18] skins are different layout for the wiki, you can preview them on their documentation pages (click on title, it will open a page on mediawiki.org, they have screenshots) [16:50:28] click on title? [16:50:34] what title [16:50:36] title of the skin [16:50:50] er, in the settings styling page? [16:50:52] wait a sec [16:51:04] go to extensions settings, there's Skin tab [16:51:37] ah [16:51:44] thanks [16:52:38] the Timeless skin which is what im using right now doesnt show up there [16:55:46] cause timeless is built in [16:55:57] you cant disable nor enable timeless [16:57:04] Is there any way I can customise skins? [16:57:15] you can [16:57:17] via their own css [16:57:21] e.g timeless.css and citizen.css [16:57:37]