[00:08:33] [1/4] Logging off! [00:08:33] [2/4] Going to 🛏️ [00:08:33] [3/4] 💤 [00:08:34] [4/4] 🛌🏻 [00:10:39] is there a way to put two info fields side to side in an infobox [00:11:57] [1/3] so from this to this [00:11:57] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331416025073324032/image.png?ex=6791894c&is=679037cc&hm=3d5f4770eac87f72d55480f840e0fb46e3bdaddef4f0c9f9ad8baf58e2f8c234& [00:11:58] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331416025320652972/image.png?ex=6791894c&is=679037cc&hm=4553a2ed3ebee4b9fde5b0175bc5a3b2c4b2afa4a0f29d05bae1574022f2099e& [00:12:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331416282473562112/IMG_2966.png?ex=6791898a&is=6790380a&hm=9d54a33d73214f169f9268cb38942e0176ff26157ee42e264afef88f852d2eb1& [00:54:44] are fanon wikis allowed on miraheze? [00:55:54] they are [01:05:20] Fanon; aren't those fan fiction wikis? [01:05:29] I think I've seen a few before [01:05:44] always interesting, though rarely ever coherent XD [01:05:53] The Fallout Fanon wiki is pretty fun [01:07:43] YES! [01:22:10] I have a Fanon Wiki on Miraheze [01:23:55] https://inextfanon.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [01:24:12] So Fanon Wiki are allowed on Miraheze yes [01:24:21] nighty night [01:24:51] Welcome to the official [01:25:38] is that FANDOM's design [01:30:26] so you can do that??? [01:41:38] [01:46:15] Because it’s the official Fanon Wiki [01:46:22] For fan-made content [01:46:58] It was previously on fandom but it was deleted [01:50:44] And what about infoboxes, which Wikipedia doesn't even have? I wanted to add that to mine. For example, an infobox about a person. [01:55:30] Has Miraheze ever had beef with fandom? Or at least the users [01:55:50] [[Infoboxes]] [01:55:51] [01:56:06] infoboxes are literal hell [01:56:20] it takes year to set up one even using Portable [01:58:44] Fandom users are cool [01:58:48] Some are not but same here [01:58:58] I hang out with the fandom community folks a bit [01:59:04] They’re cool folks [01:59:07] do we both hate fandom itself [01:59:16] the company [01:59:18] The corporation I have no love for [01:59:26] like always [01:59:31] But we need to remember these are people [01:59:38] With families jobs and bills [02:00:01] Especially the forward facing support folks with no decision power [02:00:17] i wish we could have time from time pay people to do stuff but then that'd not our style [02:00:36] [1/3] Anyways, I need feedback. Do people like this style of writing more than the bland monotone Wikipedia one? [02:00:36] [2/3] Deep Core: The literal and metaphorical beating heart of the galaxy, being home to many of the Founder species of the Tri-Convergence Accords. The supermassive black hole Yggdrasil (known as Sagittarius A* on Earth) sits in the center, holding the arms apart and earning the region it's name. However, unlike other regions, the Deep Core is mostly unaligned, comprising of many inde [02:00:36] [3/3] pendent specistates and free planets. Most planets here are ecumenopolises, which has allowed the small region to have around 15% of the known galaxy's entire population despite it's rather miniscule size. [02:05:14] brazilians exist? 😱😱😱😱 /j [02:06:05] I hate the company, not sure why I’d hate the users though [02:06:18] I mean, I’ve literally edited Fandom wikis in the past lol [02:06:21] sometimess the hate spills over at least in mt experienxe [02:06:29] And a lot of users he come from Fandom [02:06:49] fair point [02:06:55] When it comes to some wikis, they had no choice [02:07:08] but some alternatives treat fandom users like the plague afaik [02:07:18] Nukapedia moved from semi-independent to Gamepedia [02:07:23] But then we all know what happened there [02:07:31] whar happan [02:07:32] And suddenly you were now Fandom’s doormat [02:07:35] I just spawned sir [02:07:52] Fandom bought Gamepedia [02:07:58] Absorbing it and its wikis [02:08:09] like a blackhole [02:08:35] So a wiki like Nukapedia didn’t even get to choose to be a Fandom wiki [02:08:41] lemme guess rhey proceeded to ruin everythibg [02:08:43] And currently it doesn’t have the funds or support to move [02:09:04] right fallout has like a billion pages moving is gonna take years [02:09:07] I mean Gamepedia was a far better wiki farm if thats what you mean. [02:09:25] Terraria was also on Gamepedia iirc? [02:09:32] From what I remember it was a great host [02:09:33] they moved to wiki.gg [02:09:41] i saw it in their partners list [02:09:48] Yeah, took then some years [02:09:51] but fallout probably wasn't so lucky [02:10:02] Their current wiki resembles Gamepedia a lot [02:10:20] I swear has the only fallout content recently been the show [02:10:25] or have I been missing something [02:10:30] Nukapedia simply doesn’t have the support. [02:10:40] I’ve been talking with the head mods. [02:11:06] They’re stuck between a rock and a hard place [02:11:13] They’ve weighed the pros and cons of moving [02:11:23] And ultimately staying is in the best interest of the wiki [02:12:11] so essentially imagine wiki hosts as dogs. dog 1 (fandom) took control of dog 2 (gamepedia) on a leash, but since gamepedia has a ton of wikis on a leash then dog 1 has control of said wikis? [02:12:13] Nukapedia is such a big wiki that Fandom has made it clear they are willing to fight tooth and nail to keep it. [02:12:36] Gamepedia doesn’t exist anymore [02:12:38] It is gone [02:12:41] agreed [02:12:47] fandom consumed it all [02:12:54] like a blackhole [02:12:56] Fandom took Gamepedia’s wikis and discarded the res [02:13:07] Any gamepedia links redirect to Fandom [02:13:12] https://tenor.com/view/depression-black-hole-h-hpeless-ness-gif-10287222 [02:13:12] would miraheze rather die than be under control of fandom (the company) [02:13:27] I don’t know how compatible the two even are [02:13:29] i don't think they'd buy miraheze sg all [02:13:43] Gamepedia and Fandom were similar enough to merge pretty seamlessly [02:13:52] Miraheze has a very different… everything [02:14:06] From what I’ve seen [02:14:24] Not to mention I don’t think Miraheze has enough high profile wikis to be of interest to Fandom [02:14:57] Gamepedia had a ton of really prominent wikis: Terraria, Fallout, Minecraft [02:15:00] The list goes on [02:15:08] [1/2] you're a volunteer (iirc) aren't you supposed to be doing this right now [02:15:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331447026159849502/IMG_1062.jpg?ex=6791a62c&is=679054ac&hm=dfdebb4af3d56d8af1ff47dc00760b376a471d032bea1a3a6da40273b2684686& [02:15:34] I’m not a volunteer, but I have asked about becoming one [02:15:47] and what did they say [02:17:19] well most volunteers are just like this cat right [02:17:26] They’re currently moving a lot of stuff around and trying to rework the volunteer system (with the ushering in of the AI and all that), so it [02:17:32] ||voluntarily slavery|| goes hard ngp [02:18:43] ^ Stuff like this [02:19:37] Hopefully it will all come together to create a far more efficient system [02:22:14] All I did was some practice queue requests anyways, I’m sure it takes far more to achieve full volunteer status lol. [02:22:58] Though with how many screenshots I send from the queue and how often I’m browsing it, I understand the confusion. [02:56:48] We are a legal non profit so [03:17:02] A for profit cannot own a non-profit as PixDeVl says [03:17:33] (Notwithstanding, even if Miraheze wasn't a non profit, theres no revenue made that would make fandom even remotely consider acquiring miraheze) [03:21:52] There are various structures where something like this could happen, but direct ownership is not one, yep. [03:22:41] Needless to say, current project leadership isn't interested in those sorts of offers. [04:14:42] if i make a wiki private at creation could i always make it public? [04:17:19] Yes [04:17:27] Aye thanks 🙂 [05:07:48] Special:ManageWiki will have the setting when you wanna public it [05:31:39] anyone knows how to make my css's font color white, I'm using another wiki as reference and it don't work [05:32:12] ```--textColor: #dbdee1;``` [05:32:34] this is a light gray [05:33:08] look up "hex color codes" [05:33:17] I did [05:33:32] I added this to my Common.css and it don't work [05:35:39] I have no idea how css formatting works so take this with a grain of salt but I think Common.css changes take a little bit to actually apply [05:35:57] it's been hours tho [05:36:47] [1/4] It should be something like [05:36:47] [2/4] body { [05:36:47] [3/4] color: white; [05:36:48] [4/4] } [05:36:56] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color [05:37:51] where do I paste this [05:38:03] like it works anywhere ? [05:38:08] in my common.css ? [06:06:21] [1/2] this type of code is for root, if you want to have variable colors, say for different CSS themes [06:06:21] [2/2] hard coded color is what enews said, its position in Common.css doesn't matter much [06:07:05] if your CSS is big/complex then gotta be mindful [07:33:24] if i wanted to replace [[Category:Special|Special]] with [[Category:Other|Other]] what would i need to put in massregex [07:33:32] im not well versed in this [07:36:48] don't even know what you're tapking about but is that PM? [07:40:00] project moon? yea [07:46:03] also i figured it out [07:59:52] what was he called again?? [08:01:18] netzach [08:10:27] Bad Gateway 🥺 [08:11:55] [1/2] for reference: [08:11:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331536813353074819/image.png?ex=6791f9cb&is=6790a84b&hm=7c3f9c37f917ca1134825b880d1f8fdf0dd36c6727d8cf56163fa370b00ade13& [08:14:06] [1/2] Me too [08:14:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331537363935039488/Screenshot_20250122-001259.png?ex=6791fa4e&is=6790a8ce&hm=c0344433b173dd242a47741bb177ceb8adea614767260678f5054c63c79c1937& [08:14:46] Miraheze has maintanance [08:14:52] Ohh [08:15:09] Look #announcements [08:16:18] me 2 [08:16:31] We're aware [08:16:34] oh hey look [08:16:40] its back [08:16:57] It should be back [08:17:02] Don't ask me why it died though [08:17:09] [1/2] yep [08:17:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331538128560721952/image.png?ex=6791fb04&is=6790a984&hm=8b320a501ece7e819ccdb4465624a737f75fdaf22f1862cab5ead16ecbf1da43& [08:19:41] Announcement said it was over [08:28:38] I know the notice was sent out a few days ago but not all wikis have been fixed yet [08:31:12] #minor-announcements is the latest [08:31:19] #announcements is a few days old [08:31:37] And has nothing to do with the outage this morning [09:32:00] Any way to disable the colour contrast on ui and images changing in dark mode? [09:57:20] [1/3] you can set up elements to appear differently in DarkMode via CSS and special class [09:57:20] [2/3] [[mw:Extension:DarkMode]] [09:57:21] [3/3] but my personal opinion, it would be more cleaner to create "custom dark mode" theme w/ [[mw:Extension:ThemeToggle]] [09:57:21] [1/2] [09:57:21] [2/2] [09:58:05] DarkMode simply invert everything, including images in some cases [11:20:40] [1/2] does fandom have a different translation system? trying to find a way to get this on my wiki [11:20:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331584315737510040/Screenshot_2025-01-22-19-19-56-70_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=67922608&is=6790d488&hm=5977e2ffa3909dfb5ff7cb9acab51d11df4c669441237f2f63db9c3d86369e36& [11:51:46] uhh guys where do i go for questions [11:58:10] go to #support [11:58:22] aight [11:58:33] You should be able to open an issue [11:58:50] issue with the system or my own incompetence? [11:59:09] cuz im new to miraheze and i have problems with the infobox thing [11:59:14] As in you should be able to ask a question there [11:59:23] ah ok [11:59:58] I've made a template that adds something similar once. You could get it to do what you're trying here [12:00:23] cany ou send the link [12:00:25] to it [12:01:56] https://backrooms-convergence.fandom.com/wiki/Template:InterWikiLinks [12:02:27] You also need some modules though [12:13:06] [1/5] Yes I have heavily used links to foreign languages on my wiki. Put one of the languages (only ones recognized as language codes) so you could have say [12:13:06] [2/5] Poland [12:13:07] [3/5] at the bottom og the article write [12:13:07] [4/5] [[ja:ポーランド]] [12:13:07] [5/5] and you define Japanese in Special:Interwiki to whatever foreign language version you have of the wiki. [12:14:28] is mira down [12:15:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331598033502081034/IMG_5920.png?ex=679232cf&is=6790e14f&hm=8ae9fcb58b24c066371145c8c0edfaf2f0ed63c5527b891b9c72e8f99ce93011& [12:15:23] I’m getting this [12:15:32] Yeah [12:15:36] Not sure what's going on tho [12:15:45] Been an influx of miraheze just dying [12:16:24] Yeah probably the same issue [12:18:09] does it work the same as the translate extension ? [12:19:21] No. idk what the translate extension is. But this links to a page that has to be written in that language. Can also link to wikipedia articles or really whatever site you want. [12:20:10] no [12:20:17] fandom does it by having different wikis [12:20:25] not translating pages on one wiki [12:20:40] 😵😵😵😵 [12:30:55] Paged tech for the outage [12:32:28] Already done [12:35:36] [1/2] No [12:35:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331603171545579581/Screenshot_2025-01-22-21-35-04-902.jpg?ex=67923798&is=6790e618&hm=1e09cf7dffc7c4a26ab7c683d6b857f0e8366d76cbb1178366aa59e51cd7e8f2& [12:35:53] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331603240172654603/image.png?ex=679237a8&is=6790e628&hm=82682a6fe54f4ee1b62d2977db3ea41f437121bed28c133aa2906085f58c66a0& [12:36:53] they know [12:38:57] OK [12:40:35] healed [12:41:18] Tech is aware. They fix it as soon as possible [12:46:41] Seems we're up and running again! [12:48:36] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/source/mediawiki-configuration/browse/master/LocalSettings.php how do i edit this [12:49:53] who do we pay for servers [12:50:09] i know it's some people in Salt Lake City but that's about it [12:50:37] No one. We're all volunteers and unpaid [12:51:00] [1/2] volunteers every time it's the 17938393839th request this hour: [12:51:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331607047308841093/IMG_1062.jpg?ex=67923b34&is=6790e9b4&hm=bec5d529f40ef374015dda9dc4df551a8d70611bc7e34661bffe6723409d0196& [12:51:08] 😄 [12:51:26] nah but srs what company do we host our servers in [12:54:46] CloudFlare [12:55:01] The donations go to that [13:01:52] No [13:02:27] Our servers are hardware we own but we pay to use FiberState’s data center so we don’t physically manage them [13:02:43] Cloudflare is used in our network infrastructure as a cache and DDoS protection [13:04:03] I stand corrected 😄 [13:46:12] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal#{{welcome}}_and_how_to_get_more_engagement_on_Meta [13:46:13] [2/3] We still could use some thoughts about the message in the Welcome template, as well as how to get more people interesting in volunteering. [13:46:13] [3/3] Feel free to jump in the conversation [13:46:13] [13:59:36] <.guardianx., replying to prabhasxd> I wanna say you can't. The localsettings.php is locked to site admins [14:00:30] I already figured out that i need to request a pr on GitHub [14:01:38] <.guardianx.> Oh, you want a sitewide setting changed. Ya. [14:01:47] Yeah [14:02:17] I can't keep waiting for my request on issue tracker to be checked, so pix told me to do it by myself [14:02:55] what if i sleep at an ungodly hour again 👉👈 [14:05:06] do you even sleep [14:05:10] yes [14:05:18] i swear everytime I open this server you're here [14:05:27] readdressing this is third in line on my list [14:05:27] <.guardianx.> I always hate that people gaslit me for sleeping from like 4 am onwards sometimes [14:05:34] oh yeah [14:05:37] how's UO's sleep schedule? [14:06:04] surprisingly better than before from what I hear [14:06:09] huh! [14:06:12] like, how much better [14:06:14] is discussion really just adding a paragprah of what you should say, pressing done and then people just keep indenting? [14:06:21] dullbird173: yes [14:06:28] there's also an outdent template when it gets really long [14:06:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Outdent [14:06:36] i got so confused when the discussion thing was blank [14:07:16] <.guardianx.> I feel like people don't understand that if I went to bed at the same time as them, my mind would just have me staring at the ceiling for hours thinking about the topic I was thinking about before bed LOL [14:07:31] my wiki's population is 0 [14:07:41] this is gonna be useful for me and the bots [14:07:50] my_wiki's population is in the negatives [14:07:52] it is primitive reddit yes [14:08:09] my VPS got cancelled, so my internal wiki literally does not exist anymore [14:08:31] complete with fuzzy indentation for replying to older points on the reply chain [14:08:39] occasionally people use a cute template to backdent some distance [14:08:51] is anyone ever gonna make a sorta upvote downvote template [14:08:55] if that's even sorta possible [14:09:00] w- why though [14:09:00] not like anyone needs it [14:09:04] afaik [14:09:04] I'd completely skip that and focus on intuitive indenting [14:09:12] even just lines could hehlp [14:09:39] a system that will work for RfCs, talk pages and support requests in roughly the same way [14:09:44] no offense but atp just make a discord for your wiki 😭😭😭 [14:09:56] or don't and just have a good on-wiki chat system [14:09:58] do it once and it's done [14:10:04] no bloated electron crap required [14:10:25] with several times lower odds of account data being sold off to god knows where when the venture capital doesn't do it anymore [14:10:41] it's always china [14:10:57] the us is not going to slip out of culpability but I digress [14:11:05] the rainverse wiki uses matrix for most of its communication [14:11:14] the what? [14:11:20] the wiki i maintain :p [14:11:23] heavily depends on user base [14:11:27] but yeah: ^ [14:11:40] <.guardianx., replying to BlankEclair> https://tenor.com/view/thematrixreloaded-matrix-reloaded-neo-keanureeves-gif-3449253871426083114 [14:11:41] our wiki is tiny (editor wise), so it makes sense to be fast [14:11:43] I did wonder about fielding the idea of matrix replacing irc, I say replacing because a three way bridge would be hellish and I don't think libera even supports that anymore [14:11:55] kde hosts their own bridge fyi [14:11:58] so if we really wanted to... [14:12:04] what does matrix mean in this context [14:12:06] matrix.org [14:12:07] we could, but would we want it [14:12:21] lol no [14:12:28] funnily enough, i have less problems with irc than matrix [14:12:37] this looks like telegram online [14:12:42] there's good reasons to not be totally on board with matrix, but it's the distant second in line away from discord that's most likely to get somewhere [14:12:51] well I mean Telegram IS online [14:12:54] but as in web based [14:12:55] Pizza Tower Wiki had horrible experience w/ on wiki communication from Fandom days, so it was decided to limit it to formal, only wiki related communications in talk pages, and the rest to be in Discord server, but it also the main editor collaboration venue [14:13:28] [1/2] decided to recreate this [14:13:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331627801878466580/Template-info.svg.png?ex=67924e88&is=6790fd08&hm=8f66457a9506b3ae66f9ad7134817e21a8a1df09b9974c14b990804bba28575c& [14:13:31] alternatively just a pretty irc client that does persistent (local is fine) message storage and I would be pretty all aboard with it [14:13:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331627838607986810/template_information.png?ex=67924e91&is=6790fd11&hm=8387a7c43b6619d101ea5323dc2e005d42e4cc4e78a6a21c38348b91724404fa& [14:13:44] will never do it but if one were to move to a custom domain is said domain just miraheze but a seperate website [14:13:45] i c [14:13:48] as in like editing [14:13:50] anyways hi _again_ chat [14:13:57] custom domain is miraheze with a different url for that wiki [14:14:16] wait why would moving wikis take a long timeb [14:14:27] moving where [14:14:28] i'm dumb but can't you just copy mediawiki code [14:14:29] <.guardianx., replying to dullbird173> I never understand why people are so okay handing Personal information over to telegram. [14:14:41] telegram keeps that stuff safer than anythin [14:14:47] lol nah [14:14:49] it's why every other criminal uses it [14:14:59] or at least it's super encrypted [14:15:00] I never really believed that but it's infinitely not true anymore now [14:15:07] in the past [14:15:16] haaaa [14:15:19] Now the gov can just ask and they have to give it [14:15:21] I also had huge doubts about it before they were fedded [14:15:40] <.guardianx.> I feel like any site / service that sells itself as "Secure" is just a honeypot [14:15:41] especially now that Durov actually got cornered [14:15:43] > [23/01/2025 01:14] telegram keeps that stuff safer than anythin [14:15:45] well I mean [14:15:45] i'm sorry what [14:15:49] it's better than anything else [14:15:49] it's not even e2ee [14:15:52] lol no [14:15:54] lol nah [14:16:01] as in the popular sites- [14:16:02] signal, simplex, bunch more obscure ones [14:16:02] I never liked Telegram [14:16:12] popular sites are not where it's ever been at really [14:16:19] the bigger it gets the more likely it will be screwed over [14:16:27] but herds will always flock towards what's popular and trusted [14:16:37] <.guardianx., replying to raidarr> the only thing I put much stock in is grey rock [14:16:38] well see, that's another subject entirely [14:16:39] probably why some telegram-esque sites are not as popular as the original [14:16:42] people flocked into facebook [14:16:48] [1/2] the fact that it relies on phone number alone is a big flag for me [14:16:48] [2/2] discord ask it only for 2fa [14:17:00] unrelated but what is that cosmos skin grey [14:17:07] what's the hex code [14:17:09] though of course expect a majority of the little ones to be pots or not endurable [14:17:26] no idea, if I saw it I would press f12 and do the color picker on it though [14:17:33] default, go to Styling settings and insert HEX codes you want in there [14:17:34] i'm on mobile [14:17:38] outta luck [14:17:44] can someone do it for meh [14:17:47] sure [14:17:54] also, some photo editors can show you the color codes as well [14:17:57] claire's probably got it [14:17:58] no i need it for CSS in the article's content [14:18:10] there's applications, extensions stuff for mobile to do it [14:18:10] what image tho [14:18:15] https://thirdmillennium.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [14:18:19] but it's all too painful and why I would never do very serious work on mobile [14:18:25] though apparently cosmicalpha had it figured out [14:18:32] standardly the grey part of the main menu if you get what I'm saying [14:18:33] heh, i used to live out of my phone once [14:18:41] like the tab part [14:18:45] that's grey [14:18:47] 6/10 a proper setup would be way better, but i did thrive on my phone [14:18:58] it's not impossible [14:18:59] it's just pain [14:19:01] i mostly just type easy articles on mobile [14:19:03] #c0c0c0 [14:19:08] i then do the hard part on PC [14:19:19] Delavon thanks! [14:19:37] it's why I will go ahead and lug a laptop somewhere if I really want to be portably produtive [14:19:46] PicPick has color picker [14:19:50] on PC ofc [14:19:58] keyboards are usually bleh but I can still F12 and other amenities [14:20:56] i've been using this random photo editor app i've found for years lol [14:21:01] it has ads, but i have an ad blocker so :p [14:21:25] uBlock goat [14:21:35] it's... android [14:21:45] so you got either netguard or afwall+ for most devices [14:21:46] uhhh [14:21:49] Firefox goat? [14:21:52] if you're running grapheneos, then it has the built-in permission toggle [14:21:59] separate app [14:22:15] dns adblock is excellent [14:22:17] Android is objectively better but people uses Apple because everything else they have is Apple [14:22:18] although android firefox supports add-ons [14:22:19] agreed! [14:22:27] adaway my beloved [14:22:34] (or netguard) [14:22:37] > [23/01/2025 01:20] i've been using this random photo editor app i've found for years lol [14:22:39] android firefox is the way to go if I'm browsing on mobile [14:22:43] package name is com.iudesk.android.photo.editor [14:22:54] look that up on the play store, and then the first result should be the app [14:22:59] name so generic i have to give the pkg name [14:23:04] there's ironfox if you want to trust a smaller fork too [14:23:06] installed Beta on my tablet and found add-on for web tools [14:23:36] i should get my mitmproxy setup working on my phone again lol [14:23:50] why not [14:23:58] i'm like way too lazy lol [14:24:07] i dislike the embeddedness of phones [14:24:23] I do wish I could get more of that seamless sandboxing on desktop [14:24:33] anything remotely close is a hell of a lot of work or qubes [14:24:34] yeah ikr? [14:26:19] <.guardianx., replying to BlankEclair> I hate that it's a cat and mouse issue...likefor some reason people chase the people that DON'T want to see their ads harder than just making better ads for people that DO want to see them. [14:26:34] lmao- [14:27:31] i don't really emphasise with liking ads, but i suppose so [14:27:44] s/emphasise with/relate to/ [14:28:57] <.guardianx.> [1/2] Marketing is one of the professions I hate SO much, someone once tried to convince me that marketing is useful with the line: "how would you know what's good without marketing?" [14:28:57] <.guardianx.> [2/2] That made me think...do people consider specs marketing? Like Tech / Car / whatever specs. [14:29:29] hmm, no imo [14:29:35] <.guardianx.> Right? [14:29:52] i like word of mouth advertising tbh [14:30:24] Does anyone know why I don't have visual editing available [14:30:38] <.guardianx.> "Testimonials" I find, at this stage in humanity, are so funny. [14:30:59] yeah, you can't really validate them tbh [14:31:00] <.guardianx.> "Jane Doe for Iowa says, "These eggs changed my life!" [14:31:18] depending on the context- [14:32:46] https://files.catbox.moe/dtsdpx.png [14:32:47] okay [14:33:17] can someone give me the portable infobox code for the subtitle below the image [14:33:25] there is no way I am creating another PI [14:33:43] sure, brb [14:33:48] ty [14:37:42] https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/User:BlankEclair/Template/Infobox_with_caption [14:37:47] example output: https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/User:BlankEclair/Sandbox/Infobox_with_caption [14:38:23] <.guardianx.> Offhand, is there a way for end users to easily edit a JSON page via form or another end-user friendly option? [14:40:08] lank you [14:44:39] question [14:44:44] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/master/LocalSettings.php do i need to make a fork? [14:46:29] to make a PR, yeah [14:46:50] k doing it [14:48:53] <.guardianx.> BlankEclair, would it be easier / quicker for them to do that over a phorge request for a setting change with explanation? [14:49:17] .guardianx.: unsure, but you can add the explanation in the commit message or PR body [14:49:48] <.guardianx.> I just assumed the process would be almost longer because you'd have to compare the changes made on the PR. [14:49:53] [1/21] ```'jbcstudios' => [ [14:49:54] [2/21] 'poweredby' => [ [14:49:54] [3/21] 'mediawiki' => [ [14:49:54] [4/21] 'src' => 'https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/File:Poweredbymediawiki_badge.svg', [14:49:54] [5/21] 'url' => 'https://www.mediawiki.org/', [14:49:55] [6/21] 'alt' => 'Powered by MediaWiki', [14:49:55] [7/21] ], [14:49:55] [8/21] 'miraheze' => [ [14:49:56] [9/21] 'src' => 'https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/File:Miraheze_badge.svg', [14:49:56] [10/21] 'url' => 'https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Miraheze_Meta', [14:49:56] [11/21] 'alt' => 'Hosted by Miraheze', [14:49:57] [12/21] ], [14:49:57] [13/21] ], [14:49:58] [14/21] 'copyright' => [ [14:49:58] [15/21] 'copyright' => [ [14:49:59] [16/21] 'src' => 'https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/File:Ccbysa_badge.svg', [14:49:59] [17/21] 'url' => 'https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/', [14:50:00] [18/21] 'alt' => 'Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)', [14:50:00] [19/21] ], [14:50:01] [20/21] ], [14:50:01] [21/21] ],``` [14:50:03] i waited for like a week [14:50:29] can anyone tell me if this is correct? ^^ [14:51:07] <.guardianx.> Can't you change that stuff via CSS? [14:51:23] no i dont think so? i think [14:51:27] <.guardianx.> legit question, I thought thats how you did it but never tried [14:51:34] hm [14:51:38] anyways shall i commit changes? [14:51:55] you can but you're not really supposed to [14:53:44] <.guardianx.> [1/2] Okay I wasn't aware of that, I thought the page was generally open for CSS modification, I know the icons sit under: [14:53:45] <.guardianx.> [2/2] id="footer-icons" [14:54:20] prabhasxd: it has to be the direct image links [14:54:34] .guardianx.: i personally make PRs and wait until those who have access can merge them [14:54:44] and typically, the diff is easy to read for those to merge anyway [14:55:25] OHHHH [14:55:28] frick wait [14:55:44] also, the key should be the database name [14:55:48] so jbcstudioswiki [14:55:58] (assuming jbcstudios.miraheze.org) [14:56:17] it is [14:56:22] its jbcstudios.miraheze.org [14:56:23] ??? [14:56:26] ah okay [14:56:31] > [23/01/2025 01:49] [1/21] ```'jbcstudios' => [ [14:56:35] referring to this line specifically [14:57:17] so it needs to be changed to "jbcstudioswiki" basically [14:57:20] mhm [14:57:25] k ty [14:57:25] well you can change anything with css and it's probably allowed (idk if mh has regulations regarding css) but obviously it's not the cleanest solution to do it with e.g. pseudo-elements since it would load two sets of footer images and all other wikis use the setting for it [14:57:27] ^^ [14:57:41] [1/21] ```'jbcstudioswiki' => [ [14:57:41] [2/21] 'poweredby' => [ [14:57:42] [3/21] 'mediawiki' => [ [14:57:42] [4/21] 'src' => 'https://static.wikitide.net/jbcstudioswiki/f/f7/Poweredbymediawiki_badge.svg', [14:57:42] [5/21] 'url' => 'https://www.mediawiki.org/', [14:57:43] [6/21] 'alt' => 'Powered by MediaWiki', [14:57:43] [7/21] ], [14:57:43] [8/21] 'miraheze' => [ [14:57:44] [9/21] 'src' => 'https://static.wikitide.net/jbcstudioswiki/8/81/Miraheze_badge.svg', [14:57:44] [10/21] 'url' => 'https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Miraheze_Meta', [14:57:44] [11/21] 'alt' => 'Hosted by Miraheze', [14:57:45] [12/21] ], [14:57:45] [13/21] ], [14:57:46] [14/21] 'copyright' => [ [14:57:46] [15/21] 'copyright' => [ [14:57:47] [16/21] 'src' => 'https://static.wikitide.net/jbcstudioswiki/b/b0/Ccbysa_badge.svg', [14:57:47] [17/21] 'url' => 'https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/', [14:57:48] [18/21] 'alt' => 'Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)', [14:57:48] [19/21] ], [14:57:49] [20/21] ], [14:57:49] [21/21] ],``` [14:58:15] lgtm [14:58:58] what [14:59:44] [1/2] yeah its showing this [14:59:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331639444188565514/image.png?ex=67925960&is=679107e0&hm=f94f1667b10b83f6a957acf635026be988fad60320a17ede90907862674737bf& [15:12:19] i'm sorry but do you paste the entire code in the Infobox? [15:12:23] or just remove the images part? [15:19:24] it got merged yessir [16:25:42] How do I add an option for users to choose between the default, light and dark themes respectively? I use Minerva skin for mobile, and Vector 2022 for desktop? [16:32:16] [1/2] there's ThemeToggle extension which lets users switch between CSS themes, set up by admins [16:32:17] [2/2] I'm not sure it will work in mobile mode (MobileFrontend extension) tho, but it certainly won't align w/ Minerva skin, it hides a lot buttons/features [16:33:16] if mobile mode is needed I suggest to choose another mobile adaptive skin instead of Minerva - Timeless, Cosmos or Citizen [16:40:35] alternatively, Timeless skin can be modified to have Vector layout, while still being mobile adaptive, and thus not needing mobile mode [16:41:46] basically there is no simple option unless you configure extensions for it, use the somewhat sloppy DarkMode extension, or use a skin with that built in, citizen being the leading option [16:41:46] [1/2] mobile also requires making mobile specific CSS, and that's twice of work [16:41:47] [2/2] and that's why I doubt it'll work w/ ThemeToggle too [16:42:27] topically would be a good how-to guide idea though [18:20:27] <_zaiden> how would I go about migrating a wiki from Fandom to miraheze? [18:23:50] [[Moving a wiki to Miraheze]] [18:23:51] [18:28:21] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> What if an unofficial wiki has occupied the domain already? [18:29:13] [1/3] are they also a fork or they started from scratch? [18:29:13] [2/3] in first case perhaps collaborate w/ them [18:29:13] [3/3] official wikis on Fandom are rare tho? [18:29:27] but duplicates aren't allowed on Miraheze [18:30:19] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> scratch [18:30:37] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> well they're rare but we are official [18:30:38] <_zaiden> 😭 [18:31:18] well, idk what to suggest [18:31:35] I'm not high rank volunteer tho [18:31:47] <_zaiden> might need some technical support or smth [18:31:52] <_zaiden> psure the unofficial wiki is dead [18:32:13] two wikis fighting for SEO against Fandom is a bad situation [18:32:19] neither would win [18:32:21] <_zaiden> well [18:32:38] <_zaiden> maybe not make a new one, but slide perms to the current one [18:32:41] <_zaiden> as it's inactive [18:32:54] which wiki? [18:33:45] <_zaiden> o [18:33:54] <_zaiden> whoops I think they banned fandom wiki links here lol [18:34:25] <_zaiden> this is the miraheze one: https://deepwoken.miraheze.org/wiki/Unofficial_Deepwoken_Wiki [18:34:25] <_zaiden> same subdomain on fandom [18:40:42] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> oh kk [18:41:50] the admin removed closure status in September [18:41:58] I really don't know what to suggest [18:42:36] if he's determined to work on wiki and keep it as completely different from Fandom [18:43:30] although there's no progress [18:48:42] [1/2] the preferred route is to work with the existing wiki to overwrite it, but if that is not tenable or the founder is unresponsive to that, a request detailing the situation should be made at [[SR/M]]. There isn't much process or policy on this example and indeed policy favors the existing wiki however weak, but it is written for example that forks can be authorized by stewards with go [18:48:43] [2/2] od enough reason, and being a project that has a clear idea what it's on about and officially supported is as good a case as any to consider [18:48:43] [18:51:29] @_zaiden ^ [19:07:23] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> ty [19:08:18] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> can I get a username [19:08:20] <_zaiden> or antyhing [19:10:10] why doesn't https://modernbeta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Mbox and https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Mbox look the same? [19:10:51] you can check people 'in charge' by locally visiting Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat [19:10:53] <_zaiden> also are there frequent issues of miraheze assets going down? [19:11:15] miraheze outages are infrequent but come and go like a cold from time to time [19:11:22] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> mhm [19:11:34] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> what does it depend on? [19:11:56] there can be any number of things that cause a blip, I honestly don't know what the last one was; paladox might, I believe he fixed the last one [19:13:29] bear in mind that Miraheze is completely non-commercial, volunteer run project which depends fully on donations, and it's rather modest in hardware etc department unlike corpo giant like Fandom [19:14:20] it does not have mass industry fallback resources for sure, which contributes to miraheze occasionally feeling the bumps where other platforms will gloss them over [19:14:22] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yeah [19:14:34] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> it's alright it's alright [19:14:48] <_zaiden> few bumps are fine compared to what fandom does [19:15:34] mmhmm [19:16:02] in general the whole thing is held up by people who pretty much one day decided to help keep things turning and joined a relatively small corps of people who handle daily ops here [19:16:09] tech especially can be strapped [19:16:25] <_zaiden> mhm [19:17:49] <_zaiden> [1/2] any way to check their last join? [19:17:49] <_zaiden> [2/2] https://deepwoken.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Begocc [19:19:53] contributions links must be somewhere [19:23:23] last contribution was september [19:23:31] no email attached for that to be a form of contact [19:23:45] <_zaiden> [1/2] the original bureaucrat doesn't even exist anymore [19:23:45] <_zaiden> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331705884518256640/image.png?ex=67929740&is=679145c0&hm=ba42b352849feaad20c1e7cfd3f7a3129939a3179530d4b403eb22472bde185c& [19:23:49] <_zaiden> or doesn't have a user page [19:23:49] <_zaiden> idk [19:24:26] essentially no one to contact [19:24:45] <_zaiden> will contact srm [19:25:43] [1/2] the quickest resolution may be to put in a request along the lines of this guide in my userspace and then 'adopt' the wiki that way [19:25:43] [2/2] [19:26:01] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> oh true [19:30:57] That is likely due to different MediaWiki:Commons.css files [19:31:13] The template and Module files are identical [19:35:33] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> 👍 [19:39:50] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> [1/2] I assume this is what you mean, don't want to change your userspace without confirming: [19:39:50] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Wiki_adoption/Deepwoken [19:40:29] no no [19:40:39] there are steps mentioned inside it meant to be done in their appropriate places [19:41:20] it's less precise than I thought it was, I see it's because I intended the link to fill in the details [19:41:39] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> are there [19:41:41] <_zaiden> I might be blind [19:41:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_permissions_policy#Model_process [19:42:04] I should probably update to namedrop that section specifically [19:42:14] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> 👍 [19:55:39] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> Alright, done [19:56:42] <_zaiden> Also I think their intention was really leaving after all [19:56:43] <_zaiden> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331714183548506224/image.png?ex=67929efb&is=67914d7b&hm=187f6e7727ae00dd7c1c47b2b92e702e9897bbe9d3f022b057b3dae33c65b0d0& [19:59:10] Maybe that adoption extension i was gonna work on previously would come in handy [19:59:24] Could also add an "adopt this wiki" button to the closure sitenoticr [20:03:07] we don't really need an extension for that [20:03:15] just a good policy and procedure [20:03:39] that would be an interesting thing to have in the sitenotice though [20:04:21] the tricky bit is that it would need to distinguish between closures, or be a generic note because of how manually closed wikis generally aren't adoptable while abandoned ones are, and the period of time before a wiki closes is far, far longer than it used to be [20:04:24] <_zaiden> I think for Fandom it was policy + button or something of that kind [20:06:06] <_zaiden> anyways, do I need to wait a week now? considering the wiki is made out of 2 inactive users and that's all [20:07:02] That should be done anyways [20:07:29] a week is traditional [20:07:44] I also pinged stewards so they are aware of the context in case there is anything to add [20:08:43] while it will work out in your case I'd like to be able to better respond to a case where there's an extremely small rando wiki that is essentially abandoned vs a migration from a clearly well established and supported wiki which there is no reasonable cause to refuse [20:09:35] this way you will still have the original bureaucrats who are effectively 'backdoors' and can do whatever they want almost, but with some managewiki work or upon request they could be removed to remove this possibility [20:09:35] <_zaiden> yeah [20:09:52] <_zaiden> also are ads banned in mirahaze? [20:10:08] <_zaiden> like is it up to discussion to provide some funding to your org through a small amount of ads [20:10:14] if it's something like adsense I'd confidently say yes it is [20:10:34] if it's something built with privacy respect in mind it would be worth bringing up with tech but shouldn't be done out of hand imo [20:10:42] <_zaiden> ye ye [20:11:09] <_zaiden> I mean, if it's to help our host then a few little ads that don't bother users could be something to be talked about [20:11:33] <_zaiden> def not fandom level 🙏 [20:11:59] miraheze is committed to not pursuing ads in pretty much any form itself, as there is a strong privacy undercurrent to the platform and ads among other things also represent backdoors for tracking and straight up malware [20:12:23] requesting donations related to the wiki would be uncontroversial [20:12:25] <_zaiden> ohh right [20:12:32] any other ad arrangement would need discussion I think [20:13:08] I know there are providers that try to be ethical out there but I haven't really touched them and I haven't heard of them being profitable (mass surveillance on the other hand is profitable, who knew) [20:13:18] miraheze isn't even fond of third party analytics, especially google [20:13:30] <_zaiden> true true [20:13:37] though there is a quite serviceable built in analytics tool at Special:Statistics [20:13:41] no not that [20:13:53] Special:Analytics [20:15:31] <_zaiden, replying to raidarr> yum [20:15:36] <_zaiden> on fandom we have a good flow [20:15:51] <_zaiden> millions of visits a month or so [20:17:14] that's neat [20:17:23] miraheze will likely take a while to build back up on frankly [20:18:06] not because of incapability but because you have more to build from scratch and need to build competitive SEO against a company that masters in the subject and will pretend the original wiki is perfectly fine and normal and should be at the top of all searches [20:19:46] if fandom wiki has official status you need to persuade devs or someone who granted it to rewoke it from the Fandom [20:20:53] but it's a hard battle unless you manage to make IP owners to make DMCA and take down Fandom wiki [20:21:18] all quite true [20:42:59] [1/2] (Stating: NO No unaddressed advertisements | YES Local papers allowed) [20:43:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331725826202533959/ja-nee-sticker-op-brievenbus-1.png?ex=6792a9d3&is=67915853&hm=e587edffb5954556120f9962dd7a28bca343fcba97ee41b0b9ebc23e6b7dbc34& [20:43:05] [1/2] Question: [20:43:05] [2/2] How common are stickers like these common in your country? [20:47:18] Never seen, we barely use physical papers(there’s one I like to read) and everything comes from the postal system and is mostly ads anyways [20:47:31] Barely ever do people send unique letters [20:48:52] [1/2] https://www.neesticker.com/product/nee-ja-sticker/ [20:48:52] [2/2] There is a Dutch website that sells them too 😉 [20:51:11] what's the permission i need so i can edit my own common.css? [20:52:37] Your personal, or the wiki common.css? [20:53:44] my personal [20:53:55] the wiki common.css can be edited with interface admin iirc [20:53:55] You don't need any right to edit it [20:54:35] [1/2] "View Source" [20:54:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331728741981884537/V7p4oX9.png?ex=6792ac8a&is=67915b0a&hm=f0183f53eca0bcda043be6a2a8cd1b76cb8b4cfe10d7ca2c0cc138a83f0ce480& [20:54:48] Oh [20:55:07] Its aptly named `editmycss` and `editmyjs` lol [20:55:26] Couldve sworn they were default [20:55:33] they are [20:55:41] the wiki bureaucrat prolly removed them by accident [21:05:48] <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> one of the devs is in the migration team [21:05:52] <_zaiden> so we’ll see [21:25:20] <_arawynn, replying to rodejong> this exact type of stickers I haven't seen in Germany, but 'simple' "No ads allowed" are quite common [21:26:26] [1/5] In The Netherlands there are 4 types. [21:26:26] [2/5] Yes|Yes [21:26:27] [3/5] Yes|No [21:26:27] [4/5] No|Yes [21:26:27] [5/5] No|No [21:28:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331737339063439491/reklame-nejtak-skilte.png?ex=6792b48c&is=6791630c&hm=91a4cd3021d954ae8f5295ef7f307c4181706f45583745384fa40229a60f2535& [21:28:52] (Denmark) [21:33:18] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331738486876803233/Maerker-1.png?ex=6792b59d&is=6791641d&hm=1e4276b38e3cc66a7b1e3dd63fa94ba16ccd8b32c10d1116c15b2aef582e5ad1& [21:33:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331738487216406529/5477862-bm200810080310028arjpg.png?ex=6792b59d&is=6791641d&hm=07de253cac6a36544a44a22663c933483f002f549809b8acbac15d86cee8f7aa& [22:11:38] Very common in Germany. Some organizations give them as a present. Also some letterboxes have a tiny window where you can change a card from red (no advertisement please) to green (yes I want some). Also some newspapers give away stickers with "no advertisement but one local newspaper please" [22:12:50] I'd paint the entire mailbox red to that effect if I thought it would help, alas, the US life [22:13:39] Wouldn't work in Denmark [22:13:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331748690083188898/1f594398-0aa9-49dc-a16f-f528c1c98db5.png?ex=6792bf1e&is=67916d9e&hm=c356ebf0033c5cb3481d7612e022591135cd1cd93e97761c69079d9860c028a8& [22:14:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331748809847341136/9k.png?ex=6792bf3a&is=67916dba&hm=32207f4921c1089bd1f4a647fc4054482dafa65cc6c6f95097f7710da527d7ef& [22:14:57] stuff it with spiders maybe [22:15:20] for my mailfolk I'd be tempted as they are generally quite shit [22:16:36] Hmmm... Thought we were in #offtopic But we're not. So let's end it here [22:19:21] [1/2] Setting up a new wiki and I forgot how to get these working [22:19:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331750078150344755/image.png?ex=6792c069&is=67916ee9&hm=1da5b5e14d3874e605b3f4feb592e1b2460afc0c63d03d35290ea9a8694bf28d& [22:19:29] I have inputbox enabled in extensions [22:20:19] [1/2] But I'm just getting [22:20:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1331750319520092200/image.png?ex=6792c0a2&is=67916f22&hm=e526b58994984d1dd2368dcc45b7e8a69b979d0bf3975aa203d9af1aa22db2fa& [22:26:26] I use a simple `{{#createpage:}}` [22:26:56] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:28:59] It seems its working now for some reason [22:29:08] guess it needed a sec to update the settings and stuff [22:29:22] but thanks for letting me know about that alternative [22:46:03] It's been brought up a few other times throughout our history, but generally embedded third-party advertisements (e.g. AdSense) are not permitted in virtually any case.