[01:36:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228436323115864168/1249544666798624829/caption.gif
[01:45:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/4] the 1.43 alert is massively increasing CLS of wikis (and therefore UX), these are a few miraheze wikis with the notice
[01:45:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1333976341242052680/image.png?ex=679ad9c7&is=67998847&hm=96f25d1d7b42de99394cb177cab20e8ef12a32f583b9c39fb9349a6f6bc3b2ca&
[01:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1333976341560692756/image.png?ex=679ad9c7&is=67998847&hm=159645a38c96fb6abc8ff04ad1687ae4f93aa3e26435eb4483a65b7dad219750&
[01:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1333976341871198228/image.png?ex=679ad9c7&is=67998847&hm=70ad39c55908630c574470531885bad4922b07d9eb2f1a33276e7871df4a5f7d&
[02:34:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to dgox2> What does this mean again
[02:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> it means when the page first loads something has moved from its initial position
[02:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> [1/2] Did the new MediaWiki version remove the interparser function and template highlighting?
[02:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1333988789793718313/image.png?ex=679ae55f&is=679993df&hm=7ebe16c19f17776f69673df750759c5399e9ed293488506fc88ec5fcb8f93730&
[02:35:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to dgox2> Oh
[02:35:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> So some element has moved, skewing the layout?
[02:35:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> yea
[02:36:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> Oof
[02:36:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> very bad with UX as the example on that site shows, could result in someone doing something dangerous by pressing the wrong button accidentally
[02:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> probably not likely with a wiki but still annoying
[02:36:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> Hm..
[02:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to thebasicperson> maybe there's some incorrect syntax that breaks the syntax highlighting
[02:37:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> It's not
[02:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> The template hasn't been edited since the update and now it's different
[02:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> And it's the case for my other templates
[02:39:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to thebasicperson> they updated the syntax highlighting colours in 1.43
[02:39:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> yea the code colours for dark mode changed
[02:39:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to snowstacked> light mode too apparently
[02:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> Hmm that's annoying
[02:39:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thebasicperson> Oh well
[02:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to dgox2> What wiki is still
[03:18:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> i’m pretty sure every site is affected with the increased CLS unless they used global css to remove the notice
[03:18:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> ik it was on fischipedia and outlasted from https://pagespeed.web.dev
[03:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to snowstacked> It's nice that they abandoned the invert idea (which doesn't work a lot of the times) in favor of doing it properly (defining variables). The only problem is that it completely breaks backward compatibility.
[03:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to dgox2> oh the notice
[03:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah that’s not great
[03:24:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> we should long term work on fixing that but for now @cosmicalpha thoughts?
[03:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to posix_memalign> they what
[03:25:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Holy-
[03:25:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> never thought I’d see it
[03:31:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> did they change vector to use codex tokens?
[03:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> it's not documented in the release notes at all
[03:45:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to abaddriverlol> Hm, check commits on gerrit or cloning master and grepping the logs for codex maybe?
[04:01:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> Hello, can I copy data from another Miraheze wiki? I have been allowed by the wiki owner.
[04:36:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> [1/2] duplicate wikis are not allowed on Miraheze
[04:36:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> [2/2] if you mean copy only couple of pages then yes, you have to indicate that info was copied from another wiki
[04:37:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> How to?
[04:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> [1/3] export the page via Special:Export, then import via Specila:Import on your wiki, w/ page history - this way credits will be in there
[04:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> [2/3] but I'd still would add a note at the top of the page, like "this article was copied from X"
[04:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> [3/3] if you'll just raw copy/paste you'll have to do the latter anyway
[04:42:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> okay thanks, I will try it later
[05:20:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> [1/3] how do i get this template to be inline? parser functions seem to make it div or something
[05:20:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> [2/3] `{{#switch:{{{type|}}}|idc=[[{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}<sup>†/sup]]|others=[{{{link|}}}{{{1}}}<sup>†/sup]}}`
[05:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334030423550066708/image.png?ex=679b0c26&is=6799baa6&hm=6a78789480cfa45f9cc099e6e3eed0b0fdac372cd24be62d4a86542a05fab8aa&
[05:32:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> there's probably something else, please link the template
[05:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> https://interdimensionalchronicles.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Deceased
[05:33:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] on related note, I guess you are too affected by transparent source editor?
[05:33:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334033666116157541/IMG_20250129_082229.jpg?ex=679b0f2b&is=6799bdab&hm=868ec130606677074941761638fe6dd507aa985c6d698f4f3d566e7d56b82b95&
[05:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it was white on first load and then changes to transparency
[05:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or it's my CSS being weird
[05:34:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> safe mide doesn't tell me much lol
[05:37:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> [1/2] you didn't close <noinclude>, also remove line break after /includeonly
[05:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> [2/2] not sure of they are the reason tho
[05:39:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> seems like because of syntax highlighting
[05:40:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> and no didnt seem to work
[05:43:00] <Guest82>	 Hello, what is the step by step process if I have my domain on cloudflare and want to use my URL but the wiki hosted on Miraheze? all traffic goes through my cloudflare domain and URL and land on my wiki which is hosted on Miraheze
[05:52:35] <BlankEclair>	 Guest82: see https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains
[05:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I clearly do not like Citizen, I don't need the damn navigation at the bottom of the page
[06:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> [1/2] can you link a page that uses it? or you none of the pages currently use it?
[06:03:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> [2/2] I'm looking into WhatLinksHere but fail to find template it the code
[06:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> https://interdimensionalchronicles.miraheze.org/wiki/Inquirer%27s_Cult#Former_Members
[06:16:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> it was another line break, before includeonly
[06:17:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> line breaks serve code readability only in HTML tables, tabs/tabber and portable infobox, otherwise they bring problems like this
[06:17:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> damn we making everything 1 line now?
[06:17:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> i love jank
[06:17:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to verdessence> you can use comment for breaking
[06:18:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/3] like this 
[06:18:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/3] `...<!--
[06:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/3] -->...`
[06:19:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the way mw renders div and p is quite annoying, so yeah, avoid excessive line breaks in templates at all costs
[06:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> wow thats annoying
[06:20:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> eh, I'm used to that
[06:51:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> /auth Vortex3427
[07:54:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [1/3] hey how would I implement this into my own wiki
[07:54:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [2/3] this has been super useful for me to be able to read articles
[07:55:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334069267124981783/image.png?ex=679b3053&is=6799ded3&hm=d9289bf6f65aab36e61142b7f243276c0660db9f96ecc1e3785d00fc19b47590&
[07:56:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to gamerdanceryt> its just vector 2022
[07:57:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [1/2] Oh
[07:57:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [2/2] mine uses the default vector since I don't like the 22 ver
[07:57:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> welp
[08:03:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> one might build a js for that, I guess
[08:11:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> [1/2] hello, how did the pizza wiki get a custom skin
[08:11:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> [2/2] https://pizzatower.wiki/wiki/Pizza_Tower_Wiki:Main_Page
[08:12:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to spiralling_vortex> they used css
[08:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to gamerdanceryt> vector legacy is superior
[08:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to snowstacked> but...
[08:12:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> it doesn't have text size choice
[08:13:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> Vector legacy just lays out stuff better tho
[08:13:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> but vector 2022 is more accessible for readers
[08:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> Also for some reason on another wiki I admin the logi gets ruined on the 22 version but works perfectly fine on legacy
[08:14:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt, replying to spiralling_vortex> I wish they would just put those features into legacy 😭
[08:15:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [1/2] I grew up with legacy to the point it matches my own style
[08:15:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [2/2] I want accessibility, but I want to make sure my wiki watches my vision and try to provide as much as I can on legacy
[08:22:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I like Vector 2022 more and even made some basic stuff to help theme it
[08:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to snowstacked> this is just extremely customized vector 2010, right
[08:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> is there any way i could learn to do that
[08:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to gamerdanceryt> the simplest thing to do in thst case is to just allow users to select the one they want
[08:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <peppermintpatty> a year or so ago I remember seeing an extension that adds a 5 star rating system to every 'Main' page, anyone remember what that extension's called?
[08:36:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence, replying to spiralling_vortex> legacy vector and a shitton of js and mediawiki configs
[08:37:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to spiralling_vortex> they styled vector 2010 and timeless
[08:37:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to abaddriverlol> @enews
[08:38:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to spiralling_vortex> control minus
[08:38:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to snowstacked> ?
[08:38:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to enews> add more skjns other than citizen on thc wiki
[08:38:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews> I dont feel like styling multiple skins
[08:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> [1/2] Lmao
[08:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334081719296331847/Screenshot_2025-01-29_at_14-32-29_Sovereign_Horizon_Party_-_Aceistan_Wiki.png?ex=679b3beb&is=6799ea6b&hm=fdcdc0d5ff0a31debd0390fbafc9d833fc503f5cd7ab240f5a0d0203221ae11a&
[08:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> dont hate the style though
[08:45:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to kingplaystation> u should style the icons to remove that bg
[08:46:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to enews> but it was just fine before the upgrade 🤔
[08:46:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> and i need to do something about GPL icon
[08:46:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to kingplaystation> Yes the upgrade changed icons
[08:46:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to kingplaystation> Is it an SVG? You can easily change it to white
[08:46:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to enews> ye
[08:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to kingplaystation> Just open it in vscode and amend the colpur
[08:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> thanks man 🙏
[08:50:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to enews> i actually did that but was too lazy
[08:51:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> locally though
[09:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to spiralling_vortex> [1/2] Timeless skin and lots of CSS
[09:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to spiralling_vortex> [2/2] do not try this w/o prior knowledge and practice, it might blow off the motivation
[09:15:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> start w/ basics
[09:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> forgot to mention, a bit of JS too
[09:18:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Is timeless even being maintained still?
[09:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's quite a backlog on its phab
[09:19:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but it's a good skin
[09:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> u know what i am doing a pull request myself
[09:19:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> or should i not?
[09:19:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> also, i tried to import a wiki from fandom
[09:20:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> but the xml file doesn't fit on my computer
[09:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it must be a mammoth wiki
[09:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <peppermintpatty> is the ratepage extension busted?
[09:20:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to peppermintpatty> I remember it had some issues
[09:20:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> haven't used myself
[09:20:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] not really
[09:20:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] it was like 7mb compressed
[09:21:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> then what's the problem
[09:21:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> when you're requesting, it says to uncompress the file
[09:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> my computer does not have enough storage
[09:23:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to spiralling_vortex> hmm weird
[09:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> also my computer has over 80gb free storage
[09:24:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex> so i don't know why it's so big
[09:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to spiralling_vortex> maybe try downloading again
[09:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> tried that?
[09:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that is weird
[09:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> weird indeed
[09:34:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> your hard drive isn't divided on virtual disks?
[09:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiralling_vortex, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> ????
[09:41:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well, this is general computer support territory
[09:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and I know only pc
[09:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to spiralling_vortex> Zip bomb?
[10:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar> [1/3] I'm uploading some images to my Wiki right now and I'm a little confused: why do images from other Wikis show up when the file names are identical? I set this Wiki up with user accounts, roles etc. so the people who use it can have some personal data (like portraits) on there without the worry of people outside our group seeing them. Can I make sure that those images can only be seen b
[10:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar> [2/3] y the folks I let into the Wiki?
[10:00:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar> [3/3] (there's no kinky or forbidden stuff on there, just user profiles for a group of internet friends)
[10:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to vayar> You have Wikimedia Commons images showing up. You can disable that in your extensions
[10:17:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Hang on
[10:18:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-other
[10:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] Disable "CommonsMetadata"
[10:20:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Commons Wikimedia is a repository from Wikimedia: [[c:]] where you can upload images for everyone to use. We do have our own one too: Miraheze Commons. [[commons:]]
[10:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/>
[10:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[10:21:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> When you upload, you can just overwrite those images with your own images
[10:23:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar> Okay, so that means the images I upload don't automatically go to Commons Wikimedia or Miraheze Commons?
[10:24:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar, replying to rodejong> That's good to know, thank you
[10:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar, replying to rodejong> I'm at a loss: where do I put that? On my landing page?
[10:28:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> No in the url behind .../wiki/
[10:46:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar> Okay, thanks, that worked 😎
[10:49:35] <Frisk>	 CommonsMetadata doesn't disable Commons as a file repository, it just adds more metadata from commons when a wiki uses file from Commons
[10:49:52] <Frisk>	 If you want to really disable taking images from commons you need to look at Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-media instead
[10:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Hey guys quick question (and I feel dumb for asking because it's a really stupid thing 🤣) uhh how long will the MW Upgrade message will stay ? My web browser isn't letting me close it XD
[10:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vayar, replying to Frisk> Thanks, I checked those now, too
[11:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to Frisk> Oops, thanks... Indeed! I was too quick via search..
[11:00:17] <Frisk>	 hehe, no worries :)
[11:00:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to aels224> Likely a day more I believe
[11:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Yeah it's annoying, but not everyone is online daily
[11:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Understood, thx. While I'm stuck with it I won't deny that the info is useful, I didn't even knew there was an upgrade
[11:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to aels224> There you go 😄
[11:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Someone ate the X so that's why XD
[11:02:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334116387508981852/image.png?ex=679b5c35&is=679a0ab5&hm=e9dffce58b449951806777428455cc76c34ef69f9db2921f4e84192b787a9866&
[11:04:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> And there isn't a [dismis] anywhere?
[11:04:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> That's horrible 😮
[11:05:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Nope, the entire thing is visible here 😅
[11:05:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> At least it doesn't overlap anything
[11:05:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> No it shouldn't. It bumps everything down.
[11:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Quick question, saw in the changes that there's a protection indicator ? But i neither can find the setting nor the indicator, I might be blind 🤔
[11:13:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to aels224> It will come at a later date. It has been postponed
[11:15:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Understood thx 🙂
[11:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Do you plan a little note on the change page or not really needed ?
[12:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> [1/2] trying to extract the dump xml from the archive 🙏
[12:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334131744516870155/image.png?ex=679b6a82&is=679a1902&hm=fadb2fb56bbf73cdb902a7e03d47a80035abe7e7ebb05b9fe116f765b05d4799&
[12:03:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> should I just let tech do it
[12:03:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> can't really put any file in https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestImport
[12:04:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to _zaiden> What's the archive
[12:04:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> 7z
[12:04:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @_zaiden where is it hosted
[12:04:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> 15kb of dump
[12:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> fandom
[12:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> we're a big wiki lol
[12:05:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @_zaiden you're probably best opening a task on our issue tracker and then emailing it
[12:05:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> yup
[12:05:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We've seen worse than 15kb
[12:05:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> What's the fandom wiki
[12:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rhinosf1> this is second time today a user reports they can't unpack fandom's archive
[12:07:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> Deepwoken Wiki
[12:07:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> fandom be doing anything to avoid migrations
[12:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> lol
[12:07:56] <BlankEclair>	 huh, interesting
[12:07:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> did they started making zip bombs
[12:08:01] <BlankEclair>	 lmao-
[12:08:08] <BlankEclair>	 i wonder if p7zip works
[12:08:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to BlankEclair> who's talking
[12:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> o
[12:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> eclair
[12:08:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Hmm
[12:08:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hiii
[12:08:18] <BlankEclair>	 a cat :3
[12:08:22] <BlankEclair>	 meow :333
[12:08:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Claire: sleep
[12:08:31] <BlankEclair>	 it's like 11 pm
[12:08:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Exactly
[12:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> 11pm i think
[12:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> lol
[12:08:51] <BlankEclair>	 what about 12 am ^^;
[12:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bare minimum in my eyes
[12:09:40] <BlankEclair>	 ^^;
[12:09:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or maximum
[12:09:49] <BlankEclair>	 wha
[12:10:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> preferably ofc going to sleep at 10pm, but I Just Can't
[12:10:08] <BlankEclair>	 heh
[12:10:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We can use @digitaldragon's bot if fandom are making shit official dumps
[12:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, seems like it's better that way
[12:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also cough files cough
[12:10:48] <BlankEclair>	 i'm guessing that they compressed so hard that it can't be decomped by most tools xD
[12:11:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yup
[12:11:05] <BlankEclair>	 whether or not it's intentional on their part is up to your interpretation
[12:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> which section on proge do I use for imports
[12:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to _zaiden> you need to drop the file somewhere like google drive and give the link in phorge task
[12:11:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/18/
[12:11:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> They can email it too
[12:12:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cause that only uses google's storage
[12:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> @vortex ^
[12:16:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> k done
[12:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> I just attached a drive link
[12:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ^ @spiralling_vortex
[12:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> same issue as you have, use phorge for import
[12:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> also, does miraheze allow integration with third party oauth?
[12:18:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> let's say to verify accounts with another app
[12:18:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> even as a requirement to be able to edit for example
[12:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not sure, question for rhinos or clair
[12:29:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [1/2] apakah aku harus menunggu?
[12:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334138247483232276/Screenshot_20250129-192644.png?ex=679b7091&is=679a1f11&hm=240bcad144ffb8bfae663d1530247550a5b8ef09ecd36af5fa2603bedc2b8ed4&
[12:34:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to movingjetzz01> what for
[12:39:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to movingjetzz01> Yes
[12:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to snowstacked> How long?
[12:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to movingjetzz01> Just wait
[12:44:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> It depends
[12:44:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to _zaiden> so that it can be used
[12:45:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to snowstacked> okay, thanks
[12:55:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> [1/2] its still loading (ｰ ｰ;)
[12:55:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334144857018728539/IMG_2062.png?ex=679b76b9&is=679a2539&hm=b2532436362e8995e08d48c7e6daea28ba21cc26a96234c43b37911d09d96c0d&
[12:55:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> its been a day ..
[13:29:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to milestailsprowre> miles.................................
[13:29:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://tenor.com/tZ99EN2BUZe.gif
[13:29:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre, replying to prabhasxd> thats me!!!
[13:31:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> what is the database name for?
[13:32:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to movingjetzz01> data base, and subdomain it gets, i.e. `something.miraheze.org`
[13:32:20] <BlankEclair>	 it's the internal name of the wiki
[13:32:52] <BlankEclair>	 it's usually "<subdomain>wiki", e.g. test.miraheze.org's db name is testwiki
[13:34:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/Miraheze_Meta:Rules_%26_Guidelines
[13:34:40] <BlankEclair>	 ?
[13:34:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> "Project:Rules & Guidelines" is redirecting me to this
[13:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> wait a damn second
[13:36:24] <BlankEclair>	 i blame cloudflare caching
[13:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/JBC_Studios_Wiki:Rules_%26_Guidelines ok this works
[13:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> but replacing "JBC Studios Wiki" with "Project" breaks this
[13:36:47] <BlankEclair>	 https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/Project:Rules_%26_Guidelines -> faulty redir
[13:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> what..
[13:36:51] <BlankEclair>	 https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/project:Rules_%26_Guidelines -> good redir
[13:36:56] <BlankEclair>	 https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/Project:Rules_%26_Guidelines with varnish -> good redir
[13:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> guys the images r still broken, they wont work for me at all
[13:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to BlankEclair> why did it "Project" change to "project"...
[13:37:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> bro...
[13:37:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> why..
[13:37:26] <BlankEclair>	 that was an example cachebust
[13:38:07] <BlankEclair>	 https://jbcstudios.miraheze.org/Project:_____________Rules_%26_Guidelines -> good redir
[13:38:22] <BlankEclair>	 can't use query strings to cachebust here because mw would stop the redir
[13:38:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> i really cant tell you how confused i am
[13:38:31] <BlankEclair>	 > [30/01/2025 00:37] <MirahezeRelay> <milestailsprowre> guys the images r still broken, they wont work for me at all
[13:38:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> mw: hi i am stopping this redirect
[13:38:36] <BlankEclair>	 milestailsprowre: oh? what wiki?
[13:38:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> issomt.miraheze.org
[13:38:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://tenor.com/view/dented-head-guy-with-half-head-happy-halfy-carlos-rodriguez-gif-14219841
[13:39:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> heres one of the links; https://issomt.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Akirai.jpeg they appear as question marks when i add them on a page
[13:39:54] <BlankEclair>	 https://static.wikitide.net/issomtwiki/thumb/a/a8/Miles.png/600px-Miles.png
[13:39:58] <BlankEclair>	 interesting that this 403s
[13:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> thats weird ..
[13:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> wait lemme see
[13:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> it appears for me
[13:40:50] <BlankEclair>	 wha
[13:40:57] <BlankEclair>	 i get "Unauthorized: This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document you requested."
[13:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> huh
[13:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> wait let me try
[13:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> on a private tab
[13:42:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> yeah it still works even on a private tab
[13:42:31] <BlankEclair>	 wha
[13:42:33] <BlankEclair>	 weiiird
[13:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> do u want me to give u the link for that page ?
[13:42:41] <BlankEclair>	 what about https://static.wikitide.net/issomtwiki/thumb/a/a8/Miles.png/600px-Miles.png?cachebusttestnya
[13:43:00] <BlankEclair>	 i found it through search ^^;
[13:43:01] <BlankEclair>	 https://issomt.miraheze.org/wiki/Miles_Prower
[13:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> oh yeah it shows up as unauthorized
[13:43:21] <BlankEclair>	 okay cool
[13:43:25] <BlankEclair>	 so it's caching on your end maybe
[13:43:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> is there a way to fix that ?
[13:44:16] <BlankEclair>	 looking for the maintenance script for it...
[13:44:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> alright !! ^^
[13:45:58] <BlankEclair>	 damn i have no idea what it is
[13:46:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> well thats odd
[13:46:19] <BlankEclair>	 swift isn't my area of expertise ^^;
[13:46:27] <BlankEclair>	 i think the thing that we wanna do is reset swift's permissions
[13:46:33] <BlankEclair>	 i'm pretty sure there's a script somewhere...
[13:47:09] <BlankEclair>	 https://github.com/miraheze/python-functions/blob/master/miraheze/swift/fix_container_permissions.py
[13:47:13] <BlankEclair>	 somebody has to update this first lol
[13:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> take ur time dont worry (´･ω･`)
[13:47:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> ah
[13:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> could that be like the root of the problem ?
[13:48:42] <BlankEclair>	 it's more like resetting the container permissions
[13:48:48] <BlankEclair>	 dunno why they're messed up tho
[13:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> ah
[13:50:40] <BlankEclair>	 hmm, should i go sleep now
[13:50:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> yeah its fine no worries !!
[13:50:52] <BlankEclair>	 oki ^_^
[13:50:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <milestailsprowre> lol good night :D
[13:51:05] <BlankEclair>	 nini~
[14:02:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eatyourglory> is it possible to have the UniversalLanguageSelector extension only show the languages a page has already been translated into?
[14:29:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <imthebestfr> The what
[14:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <samuelbnuuy2> hi
[14:45:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hi
[14:52:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [1/2] If I make a request like "This wiki will be dedicated to documenting the fictional world of Qualesterra. It will contain information about various aspects of Qualesterra, including villages, cities, countries, fictional species, cultures, history, and other elements that shape this world.
[14:52:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [2/2] This wiki will be used by a roleplaying community focused on developing the world of Qualesterra through writing, discussions, and other creative projects. With this wiki, information about Qualesterra can be well-documented and easily accessible to community members." will the wiki request not be rejected?
[14:53:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> have they sent any edit comments
[14:53:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> other than the ai
[15:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to _zaiden> idk how to ping eclair so
[15:05:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> little reminder
[15:09:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> What is
[15:09:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Tls 3
[15:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sharpmaxwell> anyone else unable to edit pages?
[15:27:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sharpmaxwell> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334183172929486880/image.png?ex=679b9a68&is=679a48e8&hm=e7d4c28a982d0967f3d0041f13440fe6e43e7864a8c142900fc07499892d0a19&
[15:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to sharpmaxwell> maybe edit via source and save
[16:07:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I would indeed prefer the source editor over the Visual Editor
[16:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] now ve broke?
[16:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] but yeah, source editor squad
[16:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> UUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHH
[16:22:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Works for me
[16:23:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Works fine on meta
[16:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to sharpmaxwell> What wiki is this
[16:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sharpmaxwell, replying to pixldev> [1/2] https://projectremixroblox.miraheze.org/wiki/Shotgun?veaction=edit
[16:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sharpmaxwell, replying to pixldev> [2/2] the issue isnt happening anymore, although
[17:00:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> hwo do u know if migration is successful
[17:29:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> how long does staff take to respond with wiki request
[17:30:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> 2-3 days, correct?
[17:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bartomelow> Depends a lot on the queue
[17:42:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Whoooooo boy
[17:42:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (This is a calculated estimate so not definitive)
[17:56:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> how does transfering accounts from Fandom to Miraheze work?
[17:56:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> any fast way apart from making new accs?
[18:02:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to bartomelow> We've been bouncing between a 3-8 day backlog (10 being the biggest outlier).  We're on the eve of approving some automations which should help us get it back to a much more reasonable level.
[18:02:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to _zaiden> miraheze has no way of accessing passwords for fandom users so not really
[18:03:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> potentially u could get a list of user accounts and create them without passwords idk
[18:04:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Would easily conflict with our global account system a lot so
[18:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> oh yeah that exists
[18:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to dgox2> https://minecraft.wiki/w/Special:MigrateUserAccount
[18:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> then no
[18:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to _zaiden> meant something of this kind
[18:05:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> wonder if it's uh automated by their bots
[18:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> thats through OAuth and wont copy passwords
[18:05:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> plus what pix said
[18:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to _zaiden> this is not a thing on Miraheze
[18:05:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> miraheze has global accounts and i dont think making accounts can be automated
[18:05:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> do edits link back to the accounts tho?
[18:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> unless you make an account w/ the same name on Miraheze before import
[18:06:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and it's not account transfer, it's just claiming edits in histories
[18:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> post import you can reclaim them too, but only on selected wiki and via phorge task
[18:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/7] A study by Bonus Finder revealed that Mario Kart is the most stressful video game, increasing players' heart rates by 32.81% 🏎️💨
[18:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/7] Followed by
[18:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/7] FIFA 31.25%
[18:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [4/7] Call of Duty 29.69%
[18:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [5/7] Dark Souls 28.13%
[18:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [6/7] Fortnite 26.56%
[18:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [7/7] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334223577259573248/GiYck9ZXYAAJwY4.png?ex=679bc009&is=679a6e89&hm=5e80915340d1c2fb1cf269427fd81c43e4ed08aebda0529ab8dd3eb13a658cfc&
[18:08:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to dgox2> It would be hell in any regards. CentralAuth causes enough suffering when we play by its rules :Scared:
[18:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Meanwhile WikiCreators... 80%
[18:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Did they exclude horror
[18:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> No idea
[18:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> fr
[18:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> See motorsport.com
[18:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> those can't be the most stressful games
[18:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334224212012957706/GiYck9ZXYAAJwY4.png?ex=679bc0a0&is=679a6f20&hm=f359018c058ca6516941049caf51f9d311cd471c410d48e19f510c6d4f1f5e41&
[18:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://x.com/Motorsport/status/1884224921452052762
[18:18:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to dgox2> That's not how that works
[18:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to pixldev> [1/2] I saw this in the stylesheet and none of those filters. Filters are still used on another wiki, presumably because it defaults to vector legacy.
[18:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334226530842443786/image.png?ex=679bc2c9&is=679a7149&hm=2822e17e5c28e62ebfa06be69b185e97ba077cce19b5790470030c0f4185f336&
[18:20:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> also, can you import more than once?
[18:21:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> say maintain the miraheze wiki end preparign it, while people edit the fandom one
[18:25:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to _zaiden> sounds redundant/unproductive for Miraheze wiki
[18:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bear in mind, you have a SEO battle ahead
[18:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> it's a once in a time thing
[18:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> as in, one migration to have at least some content
[18:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> and the next one when we're going to be ready to release
[18:26:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] and no, I don't think it will be nice to import full dumps several times
[18:26:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] separate pages - yeah, maybe
[18:26:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> and in regards of the SEO battle, we'll prob just take down the wiki
[18:26:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's not about existing IP?
[18:31:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> we're partnered with the game studio
[18:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> so they can take it down
[18:32:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but will they?
[18:32:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> because I know only of one such case
[18:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> fandom will take it down from experience
[18:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> when I tried to get devs/publishers attention, I was just ignored
[18:34:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[18:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and Terraria Wiki is out there still, regardless of official status of wiki.gg
[18:34:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> we've actively discussed about that
[18:34:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> so a takedown is possible yeah
[18:35:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's cool then
[18:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> down with fandom!!
[18:37:09] <Frisk>	 rarely a gaming studio wants to actually forward any legally sounding threats to Fandom, which kinda is what is required for Fandom to take a wiki down.
[18:37:49] <Frisk>	 Because AFAIK this is done on basis of wiki holding assets produced by given developer, which is a copyright thing.
[18:38:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden, replying to Frisk> yeah it's rare
[18:39:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Notwithstanding, for a wiki bog/important enough, fandom will just remove those things instead of closing the wiki
[18:39:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> are sandbox wikis allowed?
[18:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/3] has a higher chance of happening, under two conditions:
[18:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/3] - devs ask to take down a wiki by DMCA
[18:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [3/3] - the founder of said wiki wanted it closed and had little to no contributions from others
[18:40:14] <Frisk>	 I doubt. Wiki without any assets owned by developer is kinda useless and I'd expect them to prefer to close the wiki down
[18:40:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to Frisk> So if Microsoft DMCA'd fandom to take the minecraft wiki down you think they would?
[18:41:02] <Frisk>	 I think they would
[18:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Unlikely because people go there for information which can still be conveyed without assets (and screenshots are fair use)
[18:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bartomelow> are they?
[18:42:43] <Frisk>	 I'd be cautious with calling screenshots unequivocally fair use tbh
[18:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bartomelow> Use [[test:]] wiki
[18:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Test:?action=edit&redlink=1>
[18:43:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> damn you
[18:43:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://publictestwiki.com
[18:43:39] <Frisk>	 None of this has been proven in any courts so far to my knowledge. Don't think there is any precedent in USA.
[18:43:53] <Frisk>	 at least for wikis and copyrights of developers
[18:44:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pixldev> what if its css related
[18:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> oh wait personal css
[18:44:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> There have been cases of a successful DMCA against fandom to take down a wiki
[18:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> 🥀
[18:45:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to originalauthority> i believe screenshots arent actually fair use
[18:46:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> at least in mc's EULA it makes it look like microsoft can DMCA people that use minecraft screenshots/videos
[18:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [1/12] 📜 Fair Use doctrine:
[18:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [2/12] In principle, everything is copyrighted unless otherwise stated. You can always find the rules regarding use of images, text, etc. in their terms of use. There exists the rule of Fair Use, under which you can use an image to explain the purpose of the game for example.
[18:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [3/12] Fair use is a legal doctrine that allows for the limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright owner for purposes such as criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, fair use is subject to limitations, including considerations of the purpose and character of the use, the nature of the copyrighted 
[18:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [4/12] work, the amount and substantiality of the portion used, and the effect of the use on the potential market for the original work.
[18:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [5/12] Copyright law establishes the legal framework for creators to protect their original works from unauthorized use or reproduction, thereby restricting the scope of fair use.
[18:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [6/12] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Fair_use
[18:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [7/12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria
[18:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [8/12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
[18:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [9/12] You cannot download a whole set of images and upload that under Fair Use, but one image should be fine, as long as it's not under a license that allows for commercial activity. It is one of the main reasons that Commons Wikimedia (The repository for Wikipedia) also prohibits the Fair Use Doctrine. It is simply not compatible with our Creative Commons license, and 
[18:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [10/12] relicensing is not allowed. 
[18:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [11/12] So when you use a copyrighted image, make sure to state the Fair Use purpose. You can copy the template from Wikipedia:
[18:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [12/12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_fair_use
[18:50:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] on the mc fandom wiki
[18:50:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334234270696472658/image.png?ex=679bc9ff&is=679a787f&hm=37680b1cbdadc40adab0599c987a66dfb24920e67fb76d351ec52fdca7a7dde3&
[18:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> Yeah that is plain wrong
[18:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] wikipedia explanation specifically allows game screenshots if they are low resolution and to identify the game
[18:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334234774809612449/image.png?ex=679bca77&is=679a78f7&hm=4e1a990ba2cb578b70a3eb73c40c980d221d4cc6f5e63d5d4c8d276e21239949&
[18:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> so i think it is correct because the images on the MC wiki are high res
[18:54:20] <Frisk>	 Fair use is a defense, not a law. Ultimately the judge weighs all of the core principles of usage and decides whether it was fair use. Screenshots ultimately contain assets of developers. I think being on side of caution and considering them to be owned by the devs is a very sensible position.
[18:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [1/3] That is more correct indeed. But that is also subject to the amount that is shown.
[18:54:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [2/3] If you screenshot a complete game cover of a game, you screenshot 100%, that is not Fair Use.
[18:54:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dgox2> [3/3] 10% or even better 5% of a Games cover, is allowed as Fair use.
[18:55:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> yep
[18:55:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> And it has to have a purpose of education
[18:56:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Most wiki's upload all characters and assets of a game, and say, "We do this under Fair use", but it is not, it is copyright violation
[18:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Then it has not Educational value, but an entertainment value
[18:56:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> And is not limited
[18:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> As is stipulated in the Fair Use Doctrine
[18:57:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> so a game could most likely DMCA a Fandom wiki
[18:57:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if the wiki is using the images for presentation/teaching I assume the case to DCMA fandom would be on the weak side and at any rate I don't think there'd be much incentive for that
[18:57:45] <Frisk>	 I'm sorry, but I don't think wikis are "entertainment", it's documentation. And it being educational is just one of the factors, you don't have to fulfill all factors for certain outcome.
[18:57:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] Definately. But whether they do that, is another thing.
[18:57:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] If the images are sold, or enhanced, they certainly will
[18:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> as long as you're actually doing a wiki thing and not making a gallery of game art out of it I wouldn't see a problem in virtually any case
[18:59:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> i agree but i feel like fandom would rather close the wiki of a relatively small game than take it to court and waste time and money
[18:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to raidarr> One image per page, that shows what that character does in that game, is in my opinion allowed, but some wiki's upload every image into galleries.
[18:59:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if it's every imaginable image I expect that would be shady, but several demonstrative images in a gallery, why not
[19:00:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I have no idea what the precedence is for fandom in that context, either in defense or just deleting instead of looking more closely
[19:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Fair use is limited to a little portion.
[19:00:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] what about texture files, like [on the minecraft wiki](<https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Dungeons:Clam_Launcher#Gallery>)
[19:00:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334236665450991706/image.png?ex=679bcc39&is=679a7ab9&hm=b333e9d306f372e62dcd55786c3fd517c886626e0a24164e86bb256034f8dab2&
[19:00:11] <Frisk>	 Gaming wikis exist only to good will of developers who also gain from their existence. They are a massive copyright violation when it comes to graphical representation of content.
[19:00:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to Frisk> yep
[19:00:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> they probably could take out the texture files and pursue that in court if microsoft wanted to force the issue
[19:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to rodejong> Interestingly though, there are cases where I've officially worked with developers on wikis and are fine with having any of their assets uploaded to the wiki, and are in fact, more than welcome for us to use them with permission, so at least the wiki would be secure in this regard.
[19:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> in cases of big wikis/games like minecraft fandom would certainly take it up in court
[19:01:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> it's one of a rather broad internet range of things where a grey leaning eeeh zone is not a problem until it's pressed by the people who can
[19:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to justleafy2003> that doesnt sound like giving explicit permission to use their copyright, the game could still submit a DMCA request
[19:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to Frisk> [1/2] I could say the same for Music. I could play music in the towns center, but I would be in breach of the copyright laws, eventhough I make the music more known. It's just not allowed. 
[19:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to Frisk> [2/2] 10 seconds of a song, that is allowed, not the whole song
[19:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> usually the answer at that point is to then just remove the offending material and that is that
[19:01:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Same goes for games
[19:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Again, read the links about Fair Use on Commons and Wikipedia: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1334233752657858642
[19:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Fair_use
[19:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria
[19:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
[19:04:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I notice games tend to be treated more loosely/called on less often than music, film, tv stuff
[19:04:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> but the risk always exists
[19:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> i think generally media of games online promote them more than attempt to steal stuff from it
[19:05:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to raidarr> It also depends often on how old the games are, and still popular or not
[19:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to rodejong> for this, partially yes is my experience, however a huge modifier is 'still sold' or not - that splits between completely abandoned, abandoned but token sales through gog/steam, nintendo, or still officially maintained, which respectively inform attitudes
[19:06:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> anything from stinginess towards videos being made/what resources can be distributed to complete game distribution
[19:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to dgox2> [1/2] What I mean is that the wiki of the game is official and that the developers said they are fine with using their assets to a certain extent. Yes, this is still technically a copyright violation and that this doesn't change the fact that the copyright belongs to the developers, but I'd say at least morally and ethically, nothing necessarily wrong is happening 
[19:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to dgox2> [2/2] here, as long as the assets are put into good use.
[19:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if devs are friendly about it you can probably expect there to be a good relationship until they or the supervising rights holders (not the same) take issue
[19:09:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to justleafy2003> [1/2] If that is true, they have to explicitly give permission in writing. 
[19:09:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to justleafy2003> [2/2] A few days ago I had a guy that gave permission to use the images on a wiki, I had mailed with him to see if it was true. Then I don't make a problem out of it. I keep the mail, and if he later makes the claim it's not allowed, the mail will be proof it is.
[19:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> @raidarr We should really have a OTRS like group. Where mails can be kept.
[19:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to raidarr> In this regard, the developers are the rightsholders.
[19:11:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> depending on what game we're talking about yes
[19:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> yup
[19:11:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I usually work with indie game devs
[19:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> what the people who actually make the game want and what the lawyers on the other floor want can be wildly contrasting things and that does need to be remembered
[19:12:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> for indies yeah, one and the same typically
[19:14:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to rodejong> for things like this in the meantime I'd ensure TS has a copy on file
[19:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> But when users request a wiki stating they want to upload images from the games under Fair Use: I send them https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1334233752657858642
[19:14:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> maybe not right this minute considering NA is still catching up
[19:15:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Yeah, no hast. I have it stored in my Miraheze folder
[19:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> generally speaking it just doesn't matter unless a wiki is using the wiki as a file repository for the game (which we don't permit anyway)
[19:15:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> most projects do not need the lecture
[19:16:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Most don't no. Only when they state it themselves
[19:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if there is an issue then except in rare circumstances it is straightforward to let them know or have a contact
[19:16:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> even when they say 'fair use' they can generally ride with that unless they're pushing it
[19:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] comparing music and games is not
[19:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] that
[19:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to raidarr> yeah
[19:16:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gaming wikis always turn into manuals
[19:17:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I remember my time with that farming game (Landleven in Dutch)
[19:17:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> hence why when I want to describe something from a game, like a mechanic, a rare trivial point, or something like that, I put a fairly detailed explanation about it and put a screenshot or two to illustrate my point (and obviously, properly attribute these files)
[19:18:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I had my own wiki hosted, and made also a manual for all the games activity and images. 
[19:18:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] I got in trouble with them.
[19:18:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I also said FairUse, but I misunderstood what it was.
[19:19:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> So I had to research it, and later when I joined Wikipedia, and Commons, I learned so much more about Copyright and Fair use
[19:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] As basically - strictly taken, Fair Use is only valdi on everything from the USA. 
[19:20:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] If you upload a games info from a Danish compagny, Fair Use is not allowed
[19:20:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> At least not under cc-by or cc-by-sa license
[19:22:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> fair dealing is the UK equivalent, I'm not sure what the equivalent to that would be further into europe
[19:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/4] The Little Mermaid in Copenhagen for example, is copyrighted. 
[19:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/4] As it is prohibited to make money of that image. Even though you made the image with your own camera, it is an image of a 3D sculpture. And therefore protected.
[19:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/4] It can only be used as Fair use in an educational setting.
[19:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334242726698553415/2Q.png?ex=679bd1df&is=679a805f&hm=ddbf9b5eb25aac1ee3b8fe80b1b06fa5092d4870361003c66459d544b2d10fcc&
[19:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> fandom should just let wikis close and not require them to dmca
[19:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> free right to migration
[19:24:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to raidarr> The rest of Europe does not have an equivalent
[19:24:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @_zaiden but think of the shareholders!!!
[19:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to _zaiden> [1/2] From an ethics POV: yes
[19:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to _zaiden> [2/2] From a profit one: lmao
[19:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> they're just missing the point
[19:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> no one would need to transfer had they been more aware of the communities
[19:26:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> psure that everyone would've stayed on Fandom had they fixed their issues
[19:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> and made even more revenue for the shareholders
[19:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> but rn they're just thinking about making revenue and losing it at the same time
[19:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> because the more Wikis migrate, the less traffic there is
[19:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> it is more straightforward for them to think of how best to screw and boil their customers than think of fully pro user business building and goodwill like that
[19:29:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> im not entirely sure if anybody actually uses their fan central bullshit or whatever else they promote
[19:29:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> editors and wikis are there to make money and build branding, that is their purpose
[19:29:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to dgox2> tbh nah
[19:30:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> the least important thing on fandom seems to be the actual content, which is especially visible on mobile
[19:30:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but people use the wiki's discussions
[19:30:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and they just happened to be curated on fancentral
[19:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] on reddit
[19:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334244344068182097/2jo6eeiwuwt61.png?ex=679bd360&is=679a81e0&hm=056713fa4b0e5f1709fd198355a496eba43c4367c3347d2209ab322db51feff6&
[19:30:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ...
[19:31:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to dgox2> meanwhile, I'm grateful that I don't see ads
[19:31:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> or one ad at most
[19:31:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> still loads of promotion of other irrelevant stuff
[20:05:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> could someone with testwiki bureaucrat [add the RobloxAPI extension](<https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-parserhooks>) cos i cba doing 10 edits lol
[20:14:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> is it normal for existing pages to exist after a migration?
[20:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> I thought it would usually wipe all
[20:15:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <markusrost, replying to dgox2> wow, that ad doesn't even have a close button
[20:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> LOL
[20:16:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to _zaiden> yes
[20:16:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> oh I thought it wipes all
[20:16:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> but it merges
[20:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> [1/2] would this be claimed
[20:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334257842168922223/image.png?ex=679bdff2&is=679a8e72&hm=5ba59a3ae6b12fa4b39cc6d260f4f821519b4cfe99a8bce98f2ea22311c8c963&
[20:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zaiden> or unclaimed
[20:44:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to dgox2> @zppix
[20:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to dgox2> For what purpose?
[20:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> Anyone could help with setting up custom icon on tab?
[20:45:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> so i can test whether user thumbnail urls are loaded correctly
[20:45:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> they are
[20:45:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> you can test on other wikis
[20:45:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> Also, how to disable registered users from editing? So I need to manually approve who can edit?
[20:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> nvm then
[20:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm, replying to pixldev> this. how to do this?
[20:48:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to sdasdasdsadm> [1/3] look at Administration sidebar - click on Manage this wiki's additional settings, then Styling tab
[20:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to sdasdasdsadm> [2/3] you shall find there logo, favicon and appletouchicon settings
[20:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to sdasdasdsadm> [3/3] they need raw file link of an image you want to use as any of these thing, uploaded on your wiki beforehand
[20:50:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thanks
[20:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm, replying to sdasdasdsadm> How to do this?
[20:51:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to sdasdasdsadm> via Manage this wiki's permissions
[20:51:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> i cant find it ;c
[21:01:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to prabhasxd> ohh rules page
[21:04:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> Please help me guys :(
[21:05:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> cant figure it out everything grayed out
[21:05:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to sdasdasdsadm> what happened
[21:05:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> maybe i need to add it to php or smth
[21:05:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm, replying to sdasdasdsadm> .
[21:05:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> want to disable edit for every user
[21:06:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> disable edit for every user 🤔
[21:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> remove Edit and similar permission from Everyone and User groups
[21:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and make sure admin (you) has them
[21:14:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> Where tho
[21:14:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sdasdasdsadm> oh found it
[21:15:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Administration sidebar is where the majority of/most needed settings are
[21:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> [1/2] Is changing the wiki name purely cosmetic?
[21:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334271846065115170/Screenshot_20250129-161900.png?ex=679becfd&is=679a9b7d&hm=5f92b4999885ed7277f4ba34038754e42f36be7d4357108554f3d1481d204043&
[21:21:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> FYI, I plan on getting a custom domain name, but I want to know if it's also worth changing the wiki name here too
[21:23:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> kinda yeah, it's just a visible title, but it's also used for Project namespace
[21:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jaybilant> kinda yeah, it's just a visible title, but it's also used for Project namespace
[21:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not sure how getting custom domain shall affect it tho
[21:25:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> I had made a typo in our first round when we opened the wiki a year ago and getting it corrected was a real pain. A lot of our files and such broke and we couldn't log in 😂 I'm just trying to avoid that gain
[21:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the database name you mean?
[21:26:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jaybilant> database name you mean? no, custom domain won't affect it
[21:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> Alright nice
[21:35:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> [1/2] hehe i think i like the style of this
[21:35:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334275667218534400/Screenshot_2025-01-30_at_03-04-59_Policies_and_Guidelines_-_Aceistan_Wiki.png?ex=679bf08c&is=679a9f0c&hm=fe938f4aecb2d6e6226e0ee7af05ff84aca7707ea78fff39cbb64133dd8f09db&
[22:07:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Especially nr. 5
[22:21:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I like those rules
[22:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frankfrankultimate> [1/2] Ts pmo rn, srsly js smh rn.
[22:38:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frankfrankultimate> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334291507934531655/20250129_143426.jpg?ex=679bff4d&is=679aadcd&hm=ed47e466b93a9a924a607c986cbd59980a7c017c5f8bfa482edb68f74c635b02&
[22:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frankfrankultimate> And yes, I am using Zen Browser, because Microsoft Edge makes people angry for some reason, and Zen kinda had the same UI as Edge with Vertical Tabs on.
[22:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [1/2] why is my wiki always rejected?
[22:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334292838875271230/Screenshot_20250130-054119.png?ex=679c008a&is=679aaf0a&hm=a0d2b8765ba0799d017a2b6f278097e51890ea2d0ceb3a44b4eed2944bf64174&
[22:44:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Are those talk page messages really needed? People get notifications anyway.
[22:45:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to originalauthority> IDK
[22:46:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1334293623499526155/Screenshot_20250130-052216.png?ex=679c0145&is=679aafc5&hm=4d38e461d289af5eb762d8cf47454826b44c54effe22abe35cf7c82bb2a7a3a6&
[22:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to movingjetzz01> anyone please help me
[22:57:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Forks are not allowed.
[23:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <movingjetzz01, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> but i don't feel that my wiki is a fork
[23:02:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to movingjetzz01> If the most content is a copy paste I would count as such
[23:02:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to frankfrankultimate> it looks like if discord was a browser
[23:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <robkam> I've already got one started at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rob_Kam/sandbox except real life is getting in the way right now.