[00:06:31] <9021007, replying to pixldev> [1/2] send it to the superintendent [00:06:31] <9021007, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1336850474581753867/image.png?ex=67a54e86&is=67a3fd06&hm=9a07e3e84f2050e9c61498fa39329cd210e150cab785281a2560ce8a550409cc& [00:09:26] Yup, sql changed places [00:09:38] Patch not applied in 43? [00:10:41] No, they literally moved where the SQL file was, so our extension installation process is looking in the wrong place [00:15:33] Can you try again? [00:15:55] <9021007, replying to orduin> sure one moment [00:16:17] <9021007> it worked! [00:16:46] 👍 nice! [00:17:15] sigh [00:17:31] I love mediawiki [00:17:41] <9021007, replying to orduin> no idea how long it takes to index or whatever, but seems to have installed just fine [00:43:21] Does anyone have advice on converting a MediaWiki wiki into a git wiki (i.e. a git repository of text files, like the "wikis" on Github/Gitlab/Forgejo)? [00:45:34] Why would you want to do this? [00:46:04] But as for that it is not really that hard especially if you don't care about edit history and your wiki is small [00:46:20] Does anyone else often have problems where visual editor crashes when saving the edit? [00:47:04] Because I keep getting frustrated with MediaWiki and I think I'd be less frustrated by a git wiki. [00:47:33] I've found several old unmaintained scripts which can do it but they all come with significant drawbacks (including not preserving history). [00:48:14] [1/3] I can sort of do it semi-manually by [00:48:14] [2/3] a)Expanding all templates of every page [00:48:15] [3/3] b)Running pandoc on every page. [00:48:26] But that also won't get history. [00:49:07] But that also won't get the history. [00:53:02] Mirahezes Content Policy prohibits filestoring wikis [00:53:25] The only exceptions are [[commons:]] and [[dev:]] [00:53:26] [1/2] [00:53:26] [2/2] [00:54:31] You can add scripts to [[dev:]] if you want, if they are css/js snippits for example. [00:54:32] [00:55:43] To be clear, once I convert it I would not host it on MH. [00:56:43] Hi. I want to ask does the XML files on Fandom include both the templates, modules, and the original Fandom infoboxes? [00:57:03] [1/2] Then perhaps you should be asking this question on the MediaWiki Discord Channel. [00:57:03] [2/2] This is for Miraheze [00:58:18] Ro, given the scope snd context it’s fine I’d sag [00:58:26] S/sag/say [00:58:39] We’ve had more unrelated before [00:58:44] Yup [00:58:53] Includes all pages (not files) [00:59:17] Although you do need to enable an extension to make Fandom PI boxes work on MH [00:59:58] I just think he would be getting better help there 🤷🏻‍♂️ [01:02:53] (*she) [01:44:51] Sorry [01:45:07] https://discord.gg/ZrV2Ex9 [01:54:44] Is there a way to change the color of an internal link based on the page having a particular template or category [01:55:10] I want to create a disambig page where if it's linked, it'll show up as a different color on all pages [01:55:26] Is there a way to tie it to something like a "Template:Disambig" or "Category:Disambig Pages" [02:12:56] Do you do disambigs by name? [02:14:12] I know there’s a Wikipedia gadget to do exactly this [02:21:19] [1/2] Could this be what you're looking for? [02:21:20] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Highlight_Links_in_Category [02:23:19] Yes, this was exactly the sort of thing I had in mind [02:23:20] Thanks! [02:23:32] YW! [02:36:50] <.labster, replying to randomizedkirbytree47> Oh hey I wrote that extension [02:38:09] <.labster> Always nice to see people actually using my stuff. [02:38:50] how do i add a new language (like espanol (utgwiki)) [02:38:51] https://litter.catbox.moe/pgv30w.jpeg [02:39:05] i don't really understand wikibase [02:39:59] None of us do [02:40:06] No one does [02:40:14] 😓 [02:40:15] wikibase is a higher entity [02:40:20] wikibase is beyond knowing [02:40:25] wikibase is [02:40:32] gay [02:40:36] <.labster> @serverlessharej is wikibase beyond knowing? [02:41:16] Thank you for your contributions [02:41:17] <.labster> I think he's running some wikibase installs somewhere. [02:42:01] no he runs https://wikibase.world [02:44:31] <.labster> [1/2] WMF is resolving my issues for me [02:44:31] <.labster> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1336890237472866345/image.png?ex=67a5738e&is=67a4220e&hm=7d5b825b9c36d782957e11a3882d387cd362a4ccf0ce43ef11ff26c982562194& [02:44:33] meant https://wikibase.cloud [02:49:32] why are there 3 wikifasion bases by page [02:49:41] 4/36 [03:29:21] I am responsible for https://domains.wikibase.cloud https://wikibase.world https://librarybase.org https://other.wikibase.cloud [03:32:55] right. Remember from your lightning talk, confused wikibase.world and .cloud [03:38:31] Harej, handler of the bases wiki [03:49:48] <.labster> Coverer of all the wikibases [04:55:54] wikibased [05:00:42] Okay thats pretty goof [05:00:46] good* [07:27:44] [1/2] ok so the logo in the timeless skin is unintentionally small [07:27:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1336961513436483605/image.png?ex=67a5b5f0&is=67a46470&hm=3dfaa6d0b52300a84c20a9021278a0d69e7cfad85f027023300fd2a923da785d& [07:27:53] @snowstacked [07:27:55] yyeah get here [07:28:15] ??? [07:28:25] the logo isnt meant to be small [07:28:26] uhh [07:28:41] i need help on making it larger [07:29:06] *Timeless.css [07:29:11] yeah i see [07:29:14] tbh I just decided to hide logo [07:29:26] there's wordmark on sticky banner anyway [07:30:03] i get it hmmhmhmfgmhfdghgfdm [07:30:28] but you gotta apply it via normal wordmark setting (not the new timeless one) + css to fix still [07:31:02] I tried new setting and it made PTW's pixel wordmark all blurry [07:31:04] this isnt abt the one in the banner [07:32:00] im like [07:32:06] like talking abt the one above the navigation [07:32:42] [1/2] well, what I'm trying to say the logo kind of feels excessive on timeless where there's sticky wordmark [07:32:42] [2/2] + you logo is horizontal, fitting better as wordmark, while logo is strictly square [07:32:58] thats intentional [08:33:34] backend fetch failed 😝 [08:33:49] mhmm [08:33:54] a:PeepoSadRain: [08:34:39] ah [08:34:41] yep [08:34:48] my edits [08:34:54] yeah icinga is screaming in #tech-ops [08:36:00] [1/2] oop [08:36:00] [2/2] > Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp37 at Thu, 06 Feb 2025 08:35:26 GMT [08:37:18] :Partyheze: [08:37:21] Wowzer [08:37:24] You’re never gonna guess why I’m here and what I’m gonna say next [08:37:27] :moonch: :moonch: :moonch: [08:37:32] I quess we wait [08:37:34] Or sumt [08:37:42] It's chugging but it's back up on my end [08:37:50] still down for me [08:37:55] Atleast it dint happen while I was editing I suppose [08:38:15] just tried reloading and it's back for me [08:38:22] it's slowly working [08:38:35] #tech-ops [08:38:48] :babyyay: [08:41:15] Ok its back on [08:41:28] :moonch: :moonch: :moonch: hell yeah [08:41:42] Anyway does you folk know how to turn the title italic [08:52:18] It seems back [09:39:23] <.labster> title ? [09:41:31] <.labster, replying to theonewhoeatmountain> `{{#displaytitle:''{{PAGENAME}}''}}` [09:41:55] Morning @.labster [09:42:28] <.labster> heyo @rhinosf1 [09:43:47] good morning [09:55:00] Where do I put this [10:37:02] Anywhere on the page. [10:58:53] [1/2] Is `mangewiki-restricted` a permission I can enable for my administrators? I can't find it Special:ManageWiki/Extensions [10:58:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337014649685545021/image.png?ex=67a5e76d&is=67a495ed&hm=4b9afe72b653d14930cf140918d7cf841dc48e375686594ed0ea8f312a03ec12& [11:00:18] nope [11:00:41] you'll need to contact Stewards for that [11:01:02] I'll replace them ye old fashioned way [11:02:37] I used autowikibrowser for mass find and replace but even that is down. ;-; [11:15:27] see #minor-announcements [11:41:32] Oh ffs [11:41:47] That's why I couldn't login [12:03:22] <9021007> [1/5] does anyone know why this doesn't have any partial suggestions, and is case sensitive? [12:03:22] <9021007> [2/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337030876713975828/image.png?ex=67a5f689&is=67a4a509&hm=ba41d2619858e3e85c914a0d0946a9ba458f445e31b829b2851c87edd736f12b& [12:03:23] <9021007> [3/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337030877095530516/image.png?ex=67a5f689&is=67a4a509&hm=479242ab89cef02c49a1be20ad947a9d2e9713c38ba2e0b8734c8144a063f87b& [12:03:23] <9021007> [4/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337030877405905020/image.png?ex=67a5f68a&is=67a4a50a&hm=20c671603932225ea61268e186d07a7792f221c18bd8f2b60c8f31324be3a712& [12:03:23] <9021007> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337030877657694299/image.png?ex=67a5f68a&is=67a4a50a&hm=9c22b351bf14449f5dc5e1cae9cf075c9a7ad6470c2f6b5e5d09a2fdf6729927& [12:03:57] <9021007> [1/2] and I do have TitleKey installed [12:03:57] <9021007> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337031023237795860/image.png?ex=67a5f6ac&is=67a4a52c&hm=fecc20bc5ccda91f016b8277d37f88b8a193e85cef3e3071a8c38d1002ec3ed2& [12:05:41] <9021007> [1/2] like how do i get this [12:05:41] <9021007> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337031461345296475/image.png?ex=67a5f715&is=67a4a595&hm=9c690d1fc11f8a3232a58aefe982f056503c2e4ce7161eed7f496d75aff92bb6& [12:06:40] I don't remember the details but I remember titlekey being broken so the next suggestion was requesting cirrussearch [12:06:48] I suppose it's still broken [12:07:07] <9021007, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> well the install was broken earlier today but some admins did something and now i am able to enable it [12:07:46] <9021007> how would i go about enabling cirrussearch [12:07:52] <9021007> and why does that require approval [12:08:13] it's expensive for big wikis to use it [12:08:42] <9021007, replying to rhinosf1> ah [12:08:47] <9021007> well my wiki is not big lol [12:08:55] <9021007> what's the process? [12:09:43] [[SR/RS]] [12:09:45] [12:09:48] damnit [12:09:49] <9021007> thank you! [12:09:53] wrong link [12:09:54] [[SR/RC]] [12:09:55] [12:10:03] ^ @9021007 [12:10:07] <9021007> thanks [12:16:49] [1/3] what the hell [12:16:49] [2/3] [12:16:50] [3/3] I got this in "random page" [12:17:43] that was my old user page, when socialprofile was enabled I think [12:18:23] that makes sense [12:18:28] it appears in Special:AllPages now [12:18:33] wasn't there before [12:18:57] I guess because of mw update? [12:19:00] someone must have ran the fix script for broken pages [12:19:06] ah [12:20:00] so there are still things unseen even by admins, like in trash folder on usb drive [12:20:29] if an namespace is deleted, it will become inaccesible [12:20:34] but still in the DB [12:20:38] unless you fix it [12:20:46] or a namespace created it [12:20:52] SocialProfile does do that [12:20:59] didn't know social profile relied on namespace [12:21:27] I suspect there might be leftovers of Flow, although I did everything I could w/ them [12:23:01] flow is even more special [12:23:07] because it's not wikitext [12:23:28] there will be a special migration soon for wikis with flow enabled to move away [12:29:29] The Special:WantedPages on my wiki is still bugged after many weeks [12:29:51] I talked about this a while ago [12:37:23] [1/2] have you made a phorge task? [12:37:23] [2/2] frankly, general channel is least reliable place to ask for tech expertise [12:40:29] Sometimes we can find solutions [12:40:51] have you got one now? [12:41:32] I work w/ task system irl too, it's honestly better structured amd less likely to forgot things [12:41:51] otherwise you get a ping, and you might forget it in a hour [12:42:16] and won't brush trough channel w/ another, more casual convo happening now [13:49:07] Not really. [13:49:21] But that's not my only concern. [13:49:44] Thank you for taking the time to reply. [14:04:45] Our competing Fandom Wiki is becoming an A+ Wiki. What’s that about? Will this hurt our indexing? [14:05:45] I think it's just a silly badge [14:06:17] I see [14:14:52] It would lend it more legitimacy though [14:17:19] doesn't it just indicate that admins watched Fandom video tutorials? [14:17:38] it doesn't have any review or quality control behind it [14:18:36] Yeah [14:26:41] I mean judging by what I’ve been seeing they have to take a test or something to get that role. [14:32:09] Yeah [14:33:04] May as well take one of those “what ice cream flavor of gay are you based on your favorite character from the one piece cookbook” tests [14:34:59] hi `chat!` [14:45:12] is the "wait 5 minutes or ctrl+shift+r to see changes in common.js" still a thing? [14:46:20] yes [14:46:32] <7seasofq> is there a way to hide the recent changes list on the right side on every page of my wiki [14:46:39] always was, even on Fandom [14:47:06] [1/2] Comsos skin? [14:47:06] [2/2] there's "rail" setting in Styling tab [14:55:05] <7seasofq, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> ty [14:59:58] [1/2] damnit [14:59:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337075315184373830/chrome_lvE904twZe.mp4?ex=67a61fec&is=67a4ce6c&hm=b2cef939a6c2e8ea03e6040b79760f7f9e1ff92b1c4d8bb13ba11ac913af5efb& [15:03:58] how do i change color of infobox headers? [15:04:27] PortableInfobox? [15:04:59] yup but not the visual maker thing [15:05:38] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Infoboxes/CSS [15:06:35] https://nyctocosm.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Mob https://nyctocosm.miraheze.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Common.css [15:14:38] <7seasofq> is there a way to make my wiki on mobile always appear as desktop on any device regardless, i don't quite like how cosmos looks on mobile [15:18:01] Cosmos is mobile adaptive skin, it always will appear compact on small screens unless user switches desktop mode in browser [15:19:13] <7seasofq> ah, ig ill just have to deal with it then, ty [15:21:38] so i have to edit the color value in MediaWiki:Common.css? [15:22:25] correct, that's the usual place [16:44:45] [1/4] I'm trying to use a flag infobox. I've imported what I believe to be the required infoboxes but the infobox on the actual saved page is just this (first image), I attached the source from the article but I'm not sure what is wrong. [16:44:46] [2/4] https://tyrillianencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Flag_of_Tyrillym [16:44:46] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337101690704367759/image.png?ex=67a6387d&is=67a4e6fd&hm=c649e0cde66016c981034c6ada9d0ea470d3942fdaf2eb5ab702dfbd7480e707& [16:44:46] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337101690981060711/image.png?ex=67a6387d&is=67a4e6fd&hm=737746787a4337c1355a4dabfd6d618d64513d4ebf5b44eaa690648691165909& [17:08:28] How do i change my main page title? [17:08:48] And why does it have From "my wiki name" under it [17:09:21] [[mediawiki:main-page]] [17:09:22] [17:09:48] MediaWiki:Tagline I believe [17:09:59] Tagline? [17:10:07] How do i change these things? [17:10:25] go to these pages and edit them [17:11:27] whats the format? [17:11:34] [1/2] but w/ MediaWiki:Mainpage changes destination of landing/main page (luke when you click on logo) [17:11:34] [2/2] to actually rename it you should click Move on it, that's how rename is called on wikis [17:12:33] [1/2] just text [17:12:34] [2/2] these pages, w/ MediaWiki: prefix might act different [17:12:57] Didnt seem to work [17:13:42] what you did? [17:14:03] Changed the text in the page mediawiki mainpage [17:15:25] Oh nvm [17:15:34] So i apparently made a new page on logo [17:16:12] what I said here [17:17:43] I can work with this [17:17:52] Thanks mate [18:17:34] [1/2] I have an issue where after saving edits in the visual editor it just is stuck here [18:17:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337125047579443251/image.png?ex=67a64e3d&is=67a4fcbd&hm=fa47bca15b3d0e784339cfe2e8842c1014995fe6b86202b29fa792177f4c8bef& [18:18:14] The edit is saved though [18:23:23] Can you get out? [18:27:03] I cannot get out. I just kill the tab [18:27:29] Damn [18:30:41] Are there subcategories for categories? [18:32:04] What do you mean by that? [18:32:16] So you have category pages [18:32:18] Okay I actually can get out it seems [18:32:28] you put category into category, it becomes a subcategory [18:32:41] Huh? [18:32:48] oh cool [18:32:54] Yes I do [18:33:15] you can do `[[Category:...]]` on any editable page [18:33:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337129133888766012/image.png?ex=67a6520c&is=67a5008c&hm=83564c4f43fab7c81413df21b49ef42dfffae8ee76a565f68720dcc9c7d29814& [18:33:53] Yes it works [18:34:02] What about that? [18:34:13] wdym? [18:35:03] I can do that. But why did you ask? [18:35:57] guys i have 88 megabytes of images i want to upload to mirahaze how can i mass upload it last advice you gave me didnt go well 😦 [18:36:17] Phorge request you mean? [18:36:25] Or I think that is phabricator [18:37:37] I have a lot of problems with categories not refreshing correctly. Means I have to do way more dummy edits than I would want to which crowd edit histories on pages. [18:38:06] I didn't ask I tried to reply to Deerman [18:38:27] Oh sorry [18:38:43] Ok so [18:38:57] Do i create the subcat by making the cat on the cat page? [18:39:12] [1/2] there's msupload extension, you need to enable it in Manage this wiki's extensions admin menu, see in sidebar [18:39:12] [2/2] iirc it's done when you edit a page [18:39:19] yeah [18:39:43] i enabled it i dont know what to do after [18:39:44] example? 🥺 [18:40:17] try to edit any page, a drag and drop kind of area for files should appear [18:40:40] [1/2] like I said [18:40:40] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1337128996411932683 [18:42:13] didnt work i did insert and dragged all the files but it just uploaded one of them [18:42:48] [1/2] hmm [18:42:48] [2/2] are you trying to upload files after wiki migration, or it's like new files for the wiki? [18:43:06] wdym [18:43:19] i migrated the wiki text files to miraheze [18:43:49] did you start the wiki from scratch or moved from another place, like Fandom? [18:44:37] [1/2] and the files you want to upload now are from that old wiki? [18:44:37] [2/2] are the red file links on your pages rn? [18:45:27] yeah exactly but i have those image files downloaded to my pc [18:45:34] i got them from fandom [18:46:52] [1/4] nice [18:46:52] [2/4] so look, you should make a task for Miraheze tech team here [18:46:52] [3/4] [[Phorge]] [18:46:53] [4/4] preferably use some cloud like google drive to share the link for them, so they'll upload files on your wiki directly and they will arrange w/ red links [18:46:53] [18:47:19] ohh ok ok thank you let me try [18:47:51] think the first button works for that, "anything else" [18:48:42] Seems to work opposite of what i wanted [18:48:53] Is there another way to sort category pages? [18:48:59] aight [18:49:19] they are alphabetical by default [18:49:35] what the problem exactly? [18:50:22] I have a factions list [18:50:39] And i wanna split it into major, minor, and organisations [19:00:09] uh? [19:00:58] How would I go about moving the boxes like navigation, administration, etc. around the page? More specifically, I want to move these over the other side so that the page is expanded to the left without changing the skin. [19:01:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337135984080453632/image.png?ex=67a6586d&is=67a506ed&hm=fd50c143db171508d9754c914b0bf7691b25748bc2059bfa2f98436e2946f9dc& [19:09:54] [1/2] copy the code from this section to MediaWiki:Timeless.css page [19:09:54] [2/2] [19:11:07] Thank you. [19:29:13] [1/3] in my wiki i wanna have this sort of table where one column of a table is automatically collapsed while others arent to avoid certain spoilers, but whenever i try to integrate a collapse/expand thing in my table it collapses all columns instead, while i only want one to do that. i attached a gif and the table in source [19:29:14] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337143079483736125/MYIDEA.gif?ex=67a65f09&is=67a50d89&hm=998faf7ea15e961a08366db1454bd5b3a9ca0b9beefca9bb544a3b7abfcd4a2b& [19:29:14] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337143080075268167/image.png?ex=67a65f09&is=67a50d89&hm=511679eb0b01e8d95839f81846274ac3de4ba846e15cd46f098134f07ab9f031& [20:09:58] <.labster, replying to aeweired> The JS for the collapse thing needs to be changed, it needs to target the column instead of the rows [20:10:24] <.labster> mw-collapsible is not what you want. [20:12:04] what should i change it to? [20:25:01] [1/2] Help needed with subcategories. [20:25:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337157121715994755/Screenshot_20250206-212427.png?ex=67a66c1c&is=67a51a9c&hm=a24846cd31b64291fd171ffa75364166ec433b876ebf2b66be7692e434e5edb5& [20:25:13] you looped them? [20:25:25] Accidentally [20:25:45] remove `[[Category:Major factions]]` from Factions? [20:30:46] Solved that thanks [20:30:48] But [20:30:56] How make arrow blue? [20:31:13] (id like dropdown menu automatically down) [20:33:26] [1/5] I don't think it's possible [20:33:26] [2/5] you also might be looking for category tree, it's an extension, but the link will be ugly [20:33:26] [3/5] [20:33:26] [4/5] in conclusion - wouldn't it be better to lay down everything on Factions page? [20:33:27] [5/5] category pages weren't really designed for that [20:34:29] I see category as folders, and personally find them useful in that way, but some people don't care about them at all [20:34:48] sometimes things are better presented on a page as bulletpoint lists or tables [20:36:00] Maybe [20:36:07] But thats more workkkkkk [21:01:01] [1/2] pspsps... seems to be an error accessing this page, anyone else getting one? [21:01:01] [2/2] https://summitpedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Summitpedia:Main_Page [21:01:53] Hmm [21:02:53] yeah I signaled [21:02:55] same wiki [21:03:21] gotcha gotcha [21:03:58] So right now do we just wait for the changes to go all the way through and for the Wiki to fix itself, or is there something else that needs to be done? [21:06:56] tech folks are looking into it [21:08:12] Got it, thank you. [21:11:11] I'm going to sleep now tho [21:11:51] Alright, hopefully this gets resolved soon. [21:12:36] That's a lot of unclaimed jobs [21:13:13] MediaWiki is going to stay overtime it seems [21:15:38] Frisk: unclaimed jobs isn't technically a bad thing [21:15:41] It's a metric [21:16:35] Oh it's GUP [21:17:20] It'll be back to normal within an hour or so [21:17:25] It's heading the correction direction [21:17:57] It peaked at 300,000 [21:18:34] Oh I see why [21:20:46] yeah, whatever LocalGlobalUserPageCacheUpdateJob fancy string of words is in MediaWiki speech [21:21:47] It's @rodejong's fault [21:22:23] Frisk: every edit to a global user page triggers a reparse via the job queue of every page [21:22:29] Every wiki [21:22:34] Of that user page [21:22:39] Ro edited a well used template [21:22:43] yeah to referesh the local parser cache [21:22:45] Ahhh, sounds fun :D [21:22:54] parser cache again doing what it be doin [21:22:55] 3 times [21:23:08] It's not technically a bad thing [21:23:14] anymore [21:28:09] did miraheze for some reason once exclude htmlcacheupdate from redis jobrunner? [21:28:27] Hah, who knows, I've seen things on fairly modern MediaWiki where editing highly used templates, making loops and such likely (can't tell it was exactly that but it was one heck of a coincidence otherwise) took down entire large platform everyone here likely knows for around 10 minutes [21:28:38] not related at all, just for me it doesn't seem to be running on my local install and wondering if there was a reason miraheze kicked those out of redis when we were using it [21:28:42] i recall we did but I don't know why [21:30:26] No [21:31:02] Frisk: job issues have taken us offline before [21:31:07] I despise the job queue [21:32:06] this is why gamepedia created syncservice [21:32:56] We're back to 82 jobs though Frisk [21:33:26] yup, seen hehe, no longer red [21:33:51] Frisk: there's a time I'd have killed Ro because it wouldn't have recovered quickly [21:34:02] We had 300,000 jobs at peak [21:34:13] And it cleared the entire lot in 45 minutes [21:34:28] _love you kafka_ [21:34:30] said nobody ever [21:34:34] There's a time that would have needed manual intervention and taken hours of babysitting [21:34:41] If it didn't blow Redis up [21:35:15] Redis Job Runner was worse [21:35:19] A lot worse [21:35:24] Ask @zppix [21:36:13] funny because when I've searched LocalGlobalUserPageCacheUpdateJob in search engine I saw bunch of public logs from Miraheze and Wikimedia devs just clearing that job (or I think that's what it was, didn't really look close enough) [21:36:15] nothing ever including redis can be bad ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ [21:36:48] Frisk: oh I remember the hours babysitting the old runner to clear it [21:36:57] It used to be terrible [21:37:19] :D [21:37:30] oh lmao [21:37:34] I remember having to manually run jobs via maintenance script and just wait [21:37:39] i remember that [21:37:54] Yup [21:37:55] And sometimes the queue would just get larger [21:38:13] @orduin a lot of the bad jobs spawn more jobs [21:38:32] So it used to take a long while to actually reach the peak [21:38:41] And start seeing it come down [21:39:24] The Redis job runner had no concept of controlling concurrency too [21:39:39] So huge spikes would grind it to a halt [21:41:21] In other news, I'm currently building openssl from source on windows because I'm insane to see if I can use it to make a tls 1.3 supporting web client in .NET [21:41:38] That happens sometimes yeah (to taking down a site for 10 minutes) [21:42:00] I was talking to Cook a few days ago and he mentioned the same thing [21:42:31] Are we talking about same incident on certain big farm starting with letter F? [21:43:18] Uh no [21:43:22] I see [21:43:43] It came up when I was asking about the patches Weird Gloop made to MW core [21:43:59] Ah [21:44:44] Nice [21:44:47] apparently in core editing a high use template imminently invalidates both the parser and HTML cache of the pages using it and starts the refreshLinks jobs, which can cause a ton of load because of cache misses [21:45:15] @orduin if you didn't see, I promised not to further the rollout of dropping TLS1.2 until either AWB got patched or the end of October [21:45:23] To allow us to evaluate things [21:45:23] Their fix was to make refreshLinkd run first, make it regenerate parser cache, and only then invalidate html cache [21:46:34] I saw, part of why I'm picking this up now actually. I was going to play around with a few other things, but then figured not only would this be an interesting project to work on, but it could make things easier for the rest of you. [21:46:45] Nice [21:46:55] I know @originalauthority wanted to make AWB cross platform too [21:47:12] This reminded me of some story from either reddit or Hacker News where some supposedly past employee of Microsoft mentioned MediaWiki was internal tool in Microsoft for a long time and they made countless core changes that made it run really well, but ultimately they stayed internally and never got upstreamed [21:47:28] My aim was to take any immediate pressure off and allow us to evaluate it [21:47:46] I very much hope we can get AWB to continue to work [21:48:07] the fact is AWB needs to be re-written fully at some point, because it can't continue on .NET framework forever [21:48:18] And it's very to nice to get the feedback from the community on what they need from tools so we know we should care about things like AWB [21:48:24] @originalauthority I agree ye [21:48:34] I was looking at cross platform support too, but figured that would involve rewriting the entire UI. [21:50:55] [1/2] https://github.com/OAuthority/AWBv2 [21:50:56] [2/2] i'v e done a lot of the preliminary UI replications, however there is no browser component for Avalonia so the diff window is quite difficult to get and I haven't figured out a way so i kinda stopped working on it for a bit [21:51:10] maybe i'll try uno or MAUI someday instead [21:53:55] maybe we can put our heads together and come ip w [21:54:30] I am very much hoping you do [21:54:41] And if you do, drag yourself down to the beach and you can have a drink [21:56:01] I was looking at that too, but it seems MAUI only supports Android, iOS, macOS, and Windows. No official linux support, which means it's not a great choice. [21:56:45] fallen? [21:57:17] yeah, uno and avalonia are pretty much all there is but I don't have enoiugh hard drive space to install xcode so I can't try uno 😦 [22:00:57] :( I would want to see if Weird Gloop’s core changes could be upstreamed [22:01:09] sadly their core fork is one of the few private repos [22:01:19] aw [22:01:20] but it should in theory be pretty simple [22:01:39] Make refreshlinks regen parser cache and change the order of calls [22:01:56] wmf would likely never accept because their parser cache would grow too big [22:02:03] For Wikimedia’s case it doesn’t make sense but for something like MH maybe yeha [22:02:07] 💯 [22:02:14] But if it were a setting [22:02:24] i wonder how it would fare on MH [22:03:07] The WMF turn off parser caching on refresh links and pages below a certain size [22:03:10] but seeing Microsoft open source their core patches would be ❤️ [22:03:30] We don't get [22:03:32] Yet [22:03:38] It's sleep time for me now though [22:04:45] maybe one day when i have shell ill patch onto beta and see what happens lolol [22:04:45] That's what beta is for [22:04:45] It's not really supposed to work @pixldev [22:05:01] Can we take beta off of CF im gonna buy a botnet to simulate load testings [22:05:15] No [22:05:31] We can give you a paraphrase though [22:05:47] Pass* [22:06:01] how does one acquire a botnet [22:06:03] asking for a freind [22:09:39] By doing 1337h4ck3r stuff [22:11:13] I have checks notes 3.5TB of free space on my dev drive, so I'm free to mess around with whatever. I've had Avalonia saved to take a look at later, but I'll also keep an eye on uno. [22:12:29] oh nice; maybe I'll have a look further at avalonia tonight -- the code I have works perfectly fine on Windows and Linux, but the browser bit doesn't build on Mac so maybe I'll see if theres some work around heh [22:12:55] yayayay [22:13:14] Im gonna get every device in my house and dos mirabeta! [22:13:36] but yeah would be super nice if we can get a cross platform working [22:13:37] Ask void for one [22:13:45] Im sure he has some WD Greens left [22:13:59] I actually don't, lol [22:14:05] Voooooooid [22:14:16] a:slugweepshake: [22:15:03] I propose we make a page on meta logging each drink owed to Tech by other tech [22:15:14] we’re seeking to add storage to our servers by adding some discounted WD Greens into the mix [22:16:00] did we go colocation again? I though we just rented [22:16:30] yeah, we rent but we also negotiated the ability to add our own custom hardware if we choose to later [22:16:55] So its a dedi [22:17:39] oh nice [22:17:44] certainly [22:17:46] bare metal [22:18:44] hetzner is the goat for bare metal [22:18:47] so cheap and reliable [22:19:14] I hear that a lot [22:19:58] im gonna try to get an Oracle free for my hoolagaging once I get my new debit card but if it doesn’t work again I’ll just fucking buy a VPS on Hetzner [22:20:40] I never real understood Hetzner’s website so I just didn’t bother to look further into them [22:20:42] What is my fault? [22:21:11] they just started s3 compat storage too but its terribly expensive [22:30:45] is there any way to remove dark mode from options so there is only one design for the wiki? I turned it off on extensions but I do still see the option [22:32:13] takes a bit to update [22:33:59] its been few days already since I initially changed it [22:38:34] What is the link to your wiki? [22:39:54] [1/2] how make surrounding grey be everyhtng instead of the white? [22:39:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1337191067472101396/image.png?ex=67a68bba&is=67a53a3a&hm=6f34fcbcf09e5648dd0f1c8cdadea04d36dbd02548e5a35d63d562d1772d6e45& [22:53:11] is there a way to make gifs autoplay.... [22:57:42] gifs automatically autoplay, just make sure they are of size below setting in ManageWiki/settings, otherwise a thumbnail won't get generated [22:58:05] animated thumbnail anyways [22:58:36] Hello [22:58:46] What are you? [23:01:03] Frisk? [23:02:31] I'd say I'm a demonic goat but I doubt that would help anyone with taking me seriously. Guess the confusion stems from the exclusive bot appearance for IRC bridge, people are always so confused by messages from a bot lol [23:02:32] Frisk chats on IRC, and the relay bot shows his messages as [23:03:11] IRC? [23:03:34] [[w:IRC]] [23:03:35] [23:03:54] Why? [23:04:30] Some don't have Discord [23:04:42] too expensive [23:05:19] Frisk er vel frisk ?? [23:06:36] I do happen to have Norwegian people sometimes ask me if I'm Norwegian, but nope [23:07:28] And I have many more ask me if I'm Frisk Undertale [23:10:01] I am Dutch but live in Denmark. It's Danish too 😄 [23:10:14] ah right [23:10:17] Danish and Norwegian er close [23:13:02] need to remember that Danish is not Dutch, the two are both Germanic languages and start with D [23:13:51] And not the same as Deutch 😄 [23:13:56] Hei er du norsk? [23:14:17] Nej jeg er nederlænder. [23:14:19] [1/2] Oversett dette til norsk [23:14:20] [2/2] Hei hallo [23:14:38] Serr? [23:14:44] ja [23:14:55] Men jeg bor i Danmark [23:14:58] Weird ass Language [23:15:03] Why... [23:15:15] live, love, work, [23:15:19] 😄 [23:52:43] realadelie lots of people (especially regulars have IRC and discord, some, including yours truly, prefer IRC over discord) [23:57:44] Is there some sort of, say, parser function (or similar) that gives a different value depending on user preference/settings/et cetera? [23:58:59] Developing a template that involves images and color, and a suggestion was made to me to give the template the ability to change color (specifically to increase contrast) depending on whether the user selects some sort of option to enable high contrast