[00:00:20] MH is coming up on its ten-year this July, WT as a foundation is hitting 2 years in the same month, WMF has existed since... 2003? [00:01:43] Humans in their current configuration have a good couple tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of years on the collective species cronometer [00:03:34] Oh and MH's predecessors are ~14 years ago (TropicalWikis) and almost 12 years ago (Orain) respectively, if you want to get real fun with it. [00:04:47] i'm still wondering why the Y2K looking ahh skin is called MODERN [00:05:43] launched in '08, so it does a lot of '08 things [00:05:59] oh I get it [00:06:04] it was modern for it's time? [00:06:16] Yep, exactly. [00:08:37] I forget most of the staff are adults. In fact I also forget most people online are adults with jobs and a family. [00:08:40] 💀 [00:09:09] Adult [00:09:15] That's right [00:10:08] For some definitions of adult, sure. 😄 [00:10:40] I kid, but yes, glad for the time our volunteers are able to give to the project with all their other responsibilities in the world. [00:15:31] [1/3] I want to ask a general question [00:15:31] [2/3] Is creative commons licensing a critical information [00:15:32] [3/3] Planning to make a wiki for a flash game (so it's old, and forgotten), can i get the info first and worry about licensing attribution later? [00:30:46] hi, is anyone elses wiki down? [00:30:54] is simply refusing to connect (for not just me) [00:31:04] works [00:31:28] yeah, seems like there is an outage with stuff judging from mireaheze-tech-ops channel, phabricator also doesn't load stuff [00:32:09] how is one supposed to report issues if Phorge is down /s [00:32:31] ty for the update! [00:33:10] did that just happen? [00:33:19] i'm upgrading miraheze magic rn maybe i fuckd something up [00:33:25] I'm not a tech volunteer though, just reporting on seeing bazillion errors with custom domains on tech ops [00:33:45] and yes, it started happening aroudn 10 minutes ago [00:33:50] We are aware of issues with some wikis and are investigating [00:33:51] meta works for me so idk if it was me? [00:34:07] All non cloudflare domains are down. [00:34:13] ah not me then heh [00:34:13] appeared to happen within the last couple minutes for me so yeah [00:34:18] oh nvm LOOL [00:34:24] varnish is a fickle beast [00:35:09] Things are coming back up it sesms (hopefully stay up) [00:35:43] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=insM7oUYNOE [00:38:39] yay, Phorge CSS is back up [00:43:09] wait, phorge is on CF though [00:44:51] issue-tracker.mh.o is however, phorge-static.wt.net is not [00:45:52] Oh [00:46:23] [1/3] Why has Widdershins Wiki not been dinged by the dormancy policy? [00:46:24] [2/3] https://widdershins.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [00:46:24] [3/3] https://widdershins.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log [02:09:19] https://widdershins.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=180&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 [02:09:44] Was edited 30 December 2024 [02:10:06] thats about 60 days ago [02:10:36] 1+31+28=60 [02:11:10] DP activates after 60 days [02:14:39] [1/2] I don't think that's why they are asking [02:14:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1345217640024506420/Screenshot_2025-02-28_at_6.13.31_PM.png?ex=67c3bf0e&is=67c26d8e&hm=923f3f1dc2ef5cb68c6a3c94ebf0d60e14b437bee24a274bc4c1cd25d73187da& [02:15:13] there's a gap of definitely more than 60 days from last year [02:19:22] Hmmm. Can be they are exempted then [02:19:43] April to October is indeed a large gap [02:25:26] is it possible to have it so there is a notice on every page, like a disclaimer at the bottom? Or just copy and paste? [02:39:52] MediaWiki:Sitenotice [02:40:02] adds a notice on the top of every page [03:01:07] [1/4] 🛏️ + 🤷🏻‍♂️ + 💤 = [03:01:07] [2/4] ------------------ [03:01:07] [3/4] 💤 [03:01:07] [4/4] 🛌🏻 [04:15:02] Pls Is there an administrator here? [04:20:21] for what [04:21:02] We have both discord admins and moderators, as well as on-wiki volunteers for various types of issues. [04:21:10] There was a change in the wiki on our side and we needed to change the management [04:21:14] Without knowing the general shape of the problem, it's a little hard to direct you [04:21:24] Ah, hmmm. [04:21:36] Well, most of the time that's going to be some flavor of [[SR]] type request [04:21:37]

[04:22:26] Though I guess it depends what you mean by 'change the management' [04:22:55] We want to change the owner of this wiki [04:22:56] [1/4] Are you looking to: [04:22:56] [2/4] * Get a setting on your wiki changed? [04:22:57] [3/4] * Remove a current bureaucrat/admin [04:22:57] [4/4] * Add someone as bureaucrat/admin? [04:23:08] Because the former owner gave up management [04:24:07] So it’s abandoned by its admin(s)? [04:24:23] yes [04:24:36] Hm. [04:24:46] Is there an active community or just you? [04:25:12] Mostly in fandom [04:25:37] [1/3] If the former owner is still around, they can promote someone else. [04:25:37] [2/3] if they've fully departed and it's a community wiki, then you can hold a local election (see https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_permissions_policy#Model_process for an example of what this looks like) [04:25:37] [3/3] After the election's been open for 7 days, a successful candidate can request permissions at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions [04:26:01] cough no such thing as an owner cough [04:26:11] Yes, I know, just matching language. [04:26:45] (I should try and come up witn things to write for my user essay rant on that) [04:27:02] [1/2] hey @atxatx do you think itd be possible if you added an extra class of the theme to the html when the user is on auto mode (i am not the best at explaining) [04:27:02] [2/2] this is what i'm currently using but it sometimes glitches and i feel that itd be better built in 🥴 [04:30:07] Okay I'll try to contact the previous owner [04:54:12] hello [04:58:11] hi [04:58:26] how do you do [04:58:31] good [05:01:54] Awesome [05:41:53] can I ask you for help with Citizen from time to time [05:42:01] sure [05:42:41] yippee [05:43:04] Before I forget does the Citizen color thing change the color of the entire site [05:43:19] is there a way to whitelist certain people to edit [05:43:55] only with user groups i guess [05:44:02] color-primary__h and s and l [05:44:02] knew ittttttttttttttttttt [05:44:19] [05:44:27] [05:45:16] is citizen referring to the skin or CSS [05:46:41] sighs [05:51:43] [1/2] why do you give us the add image button then?!?! [05:51:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1345272270070878329/image.png?ex=67c3f1ef&is=67c2a06f&hm=89f044f3ab00e1ad03a2716afba32f3abbd743e63e4b4d25922657e1fc6a391f& [05:53:42] because youre uploading it to meta.miraheze.org ? [05:56:58] the skin. you can customize it via css [05:57:07] "using citizen styles" tells you about the classes citizen has [05:57:20] "customizing citizen styles" is what youre looking for i believe [05:57:33] [1/2] Meta Wiki is central hub of Miraheze [05:57:34] [2/2] you should upload images you want on your wiki (the one you requested or just work on as editor or admin) [07:16:30] [1/2] so i uploaded a .ogg file, and i wanted the little play box thing to have it play in the infobox like most other country infoboxes, but i am not sure how, ive looked it up and i cant figure it out. anybody able to help? [07:16:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1345293606977798184/image.png?ex=67c405ce&is=67c2b44e&hm=804f4a02aa6261ac78f185dbaa541cf597b3563f3763e16a63b0b5c4e38987a4& [07:20:25] have you enabled TimedMediaHandler extension? [07:20:54] no, how do i do that? [07:22:26] [1/3] look at Administration sidebar, there must be "Manage this wiki's extensions" link [07:22:26] [2/3] there's be small search box, you should be able to find what you need, then check its box and save changes [07:22:26] [3/3] might take a bit to start working, you can purge wiki's cache w/ Purge button on the page (usually next to Delete) [07:23:22] tysm! [08:10:33] [1/2] one more thing, with .ogg files, how do i prevent this big popup from happening? [08:10:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1345307208199442464/2025-03-01_03-09-45.mp4?ex=67c41279&is=67c2c0f9&hm=b01e8a11e3db9c204785e4029744f3d69b7d532761d108f2d99f45752e695c37& [08:32:56] you click on play and this happens? strange [08:33:33] can you test this on another page and use `File` instead of `Media` in source code? [12:14:49] [1/2] What exactly is the permission "managewiki-restricted"? I tried activating the extension StructuredDicussions but I'm no able to because I lack that permission, even though I am the burecreaut of the wiki. [12:14:49] [2/2] Also, for that extension it says "Deprecated by WMF, who recommends DiscussionTools instead", but the DiscussionTools are not available in Miraheze it seems. [12:15:12] DiscussionTools is available [12:15:51] It should be in the other section of ManageWiki/extensions [12:16:53] Structured discussions can't be enabled on new wikis as it's pending removal [12:19:47] `managewiki-restricted`, means only stewards can activate it, usually for technical reasons, so need to request it, to get it on your wiki [12:20:39] Oh, I found it. Wow, it uses it's german name in the extensions settings instead of the english one which every other extension uses in that overview. I couldn't find it using the search in the extensions overview because of that xD [12:20:50] Oh cool [12:21:01] I guess no one has translated many of the extensions [12:21:54] You can't request StructuredDiscussions [12:23:43] As I now finally found the DiscussionTools that won't be necessary anyway, so thanks for pointing out that it should be available 😄 [12:26:27] Which is exactly why I answered more generally about that the `managewiki-restricted` permissions specifically, as it is not the only extension that have that afterall, and yet it isn't AFAIK really explained anywhere, that most people will see, what that means [12:28:02] Yeah, that is a really good information so now i know why I can't activate certain extensions [12:49:49] <__lone_wolf__> [1/3] im trying to get the static link from an uploaded image to use as a background but i only seem to able to get the protect link (img_auth.php)?? [12:49:49] <__lone_wolf__> [2/3] if i go to other wiki's i can get static links, but not on my own wiki? [12:49:50] <__lone_wolf__> [3/3] any ideas? [12:53:16] Is it a private wiki? [12:53:37] <__lone_wolf__, replying to rhinosf1> at the moment yes, until its done, is that the problem? [12:53:45] That's why [12:53:54] Images on private wikis aren't exposed publicly [12:54:33] You need to be logged in to view images [12:55:36] <__lone_wolf__, replying to rhinosf1> [1/2] ok i'll see what i can do with this new info. [12:55:37] <__lone_wolf__, replying to rhinosf1> [2/2] Thank you [14:31:40] Huh, I thought it was 45 days for some reason. [14:31:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormancy_Policy#Process [14:31:49] I was wrong. [14:32:05] It changed a few months ago to 60 [14:33:11] A year ago even 😄 [14:33:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormancy_Policy?diff=next&oldid=377841 [14:33:43] I remembered it changing like it was in December or so 😛 [14:42:25] a brief set of details is posted on the steward request board, but there should be a dedicated page and updated details [14:48:41] [1/2] Yeah probably would be a good idea to have it mentioned either on the `managewiki/extensions` page itself, or at some point during the wiki requesting, or the main page on a newly created wiki. ie. somewhere that crat see it before they are actually met with the restriction. Doesn't really help it is on the SR, if crats don't know to go to the SR for it [14:48:41] [2/2] (Heck is the existence of the SR even mentioned at one of those same places in the first place, so that new crats at least know that exists?) [14:54:46] as I added it the aim was for some guidance to be on the restructed settings page both for steward and user benefit, so the aim was not advanced [14:55:07] better info in managewiki itself is best [15:15:12] [1/2] May I ask, how do I add a section like this announcement to the wiki? [15:15:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1345414076053979238/Screenshot_20250301-195829.jpg?ex=67c47600&is=67c32480&hm=9197dff4a80765e762900a237576a045a34a5d11b211fd2cd5c23f2a3bdf2ab5& [15:17:26] MediaWiki:Sitenotice [15:43:25] Thanks [15:51:45] If you want the fancy boxes, [[dev:]] may have some [15:51:46]

[15:53:19] ok, thanks a lot [15:54:58] Sure thing [15:55:05] They’re called Mboxdd [16:34:08] Does anyone know a way to embed audio from an external link? I'm working on archiving some stuff but the files are going to be too large to be directly hosted on a wiki (it's around 70 files with a total size of 13 gigs which sounds a little excessive so I don't want them to be locally hosted unless absolutely necessary) [17:03:47] Bah [17:03:53] @cosmicalpha event rescheduled [17:04:27] Thanks! Yeah sorry all it's very hard to plan maintenance when relying on so many external factors also it seems lol. [17:04:41] UPS is taking forever [17:04:54] but hopefully by Wednesday everything is there [17:04:56] Bloody UPSs [17:05:20] I need to ask estates when my new UPS batteries are coming [17:08:40] May not be such a United parcel system after all [17:13:01] [1/2] I guess I should finally ask what's up with this [17:13:01] [2/2] > [522775a2c831024f9869a584] 2025-03-01 17:12:27: Fatal exception of type "Error" [17:13:17] On page form query pages [17:14:16] Make a [[Phorge]] task to report bugs, so tech can see and investigate [17:14:17]

[17:14:24] (Our wiki uses queries to generate certain pages that it would be impractical to maintain by hand) [17:14:35] [1/2] where the audio is from? [17:14:35] [2/2] there are embed scripts for Bandcamp and SoundCloud, and one can think a way w/ nicer looking YouTube embed (w/ extensions) [17:17:38] Internet Archive. It took a whole lot of messing around and experimenting but I finally found a way to use the Youtube extension to target specific tracks on a page which was the issue I was having [17:23:37] there's EmbedVideo extension too, iirc it supports IA by itself [17:29:05] Question is if we need to add to CSP [17:29:32] how do MBOXES work? [17:31:11] However they want [17:32:48] IA is pretty safe? although I haven't seen anyone using its embed [17:33:54] i mean how do those work [17:34:05] i never touched mboxes even in fandom [17:35:41] Eeeeeeeeh, it is but anyone can upload [17:35:52] But if we approved Google drive should be fine [17:36:53] what is ia [17:43:57] [[w:Internet Archive]] [17:43:58]

[17:47:48] Ooohhh [18:08:14] Anyone know if there's a way to have category pages sort pages while diregarding "The" (i.e. sorting "The Beatles" as "Beatles, The" so it's not filed under "T") [18:10:40] Yes [18:10:53] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Categories/Sorting [18:11:12] Not that page [18:12:19]