[00:10:27] Hello, I've created a wiki, the request for its creation is approved but I can't go on my wiki, I can't find the link to go on ! What do I have to do ?? [00:11:07] Did you get an email? [00:11:16] That should have the url [00:11:28] Absolutely not ! [00:11:30] It’s the URL you entered as subdomain in the form [00:12:33] I understand but I can't go on this link, it tells me that it doesn't exist ! [00:12:39] https://confederationfrancaise.miraheze.org [00:12:41] Huh [00:12:54] Yup [00:13:07] Seems so [00:13:17] You see ?? It doesn't work ! [00:13:21] Hold on, let me try to kick it [00:13:43] Calm down mate, small technical hiccup, nothing mega major [00:14:40] Ok, sorry, but it's incredible ! [00:14:58] CC @cosmicalpha, CreateWiki seemingly forgot to, well, create a wiki [00:15:11] oh that's nice of it [00:15:31] Technology is a funny little guy sometimes, likes to keep us on our toes [00:15:38] what request # [00:16:34] More when, like me, you're not very good with this kind of thing... [00:17:02] 55957 [00:17:06] I can understand that [00:17:19] It’s frustrating when things break and you can’t understand why [00:18:11] fixing [00:18:21] Fortunately, there is this Discord to help ! [00:18:30] What broke [00:20:05] uhh [00:20:09] this is odd [00:20:17] it won't create even when I do it manually [00:20:20] :Sippy: [00:20:22] what [00:20:27] but no error indicating failure [00:20:36] Ay carambra [00:20:55] Are there any others lately this happened with? [00:21:40] Not sure, I can’t check rn since I have school work to finish [00:23:37] This seems to have happened with the last 4 requests [00:23:46] @paladox is the job queue working? [00:24:02] i can check [00:25:46] I guess it must be since the AI job runs and comments it seems just CreateWikiJob randomly stopped working. [00:26:35] i restarted changeprop [00:27:17] also restarted eventgate [00:29:05] Still doesn't work [00:32:10] @paladox maybe it's delayed? A wiki just created 40 minutes later [00:32:35] yeh somethings broke, i'm looking [00:32:42] wait no 2 hours and 40 minutes later [00:33:57] :3 hi [00:36:30] are other jobs working fine [00:36:42] it seems most did. [00:36:52] As the AI job commented almost immediately [00:36:59] but CreateWikiJob took 2 hours [00:37:10] no all jobs wouldn't have worked. Seems all it needed doing was a restart. [00:37:39] They must have or the AI would not have commented or tried to approve but it did. [00:37:45] As that's a job also [00:42:28] ok it's working now [00:42:48] @cosmicalpha you'll have to try the AI thing but from the stats i'm seeing, jobs are processing again [00:43:00] Was this all jobs? [00:44:08] i saw parsoid jobs hadn't run since the maintenance period which indicated some kind of breakge. [00:44:27] since restarting eventgate/changeprop there was a big spike in processing [00:44:32] and there's a big backlog [00:44:41] https://grafana.wikitide.net/d/LSeAShkGx/jobqueue?orgId=1&from=now-6h&to=now&timezone=browser&viewPanel=panel-15 [00:49:18] ah, so running through now? [00:49:39] Yeh [00:51:03] :thumbsup: [01:03:19] So, what's the matter ? [01:16:31] Looks like the thing that runs the things like creating wikis was messed up after the maintenance today, should be catching up soon [01:18:40] Ok, for me, now, it's work [01:18:45] Thank u so much [01:32:39] [1/3] real quick question: soon we're going to be moving over the custom domain from the independent wiki over to the new miraheze one using the request form. are those generlaly processed like right away when they're submitted, or is it a manual thing that might have some delay? i want to minimize the downtime between when the domain points to the old site vs the new site, and bc you [01:32:39] [2/3] can only have it pointing to one at once with the way the DNS records work i want to make sure that as soon as we point it to the miraheze site it can get set up on that end asap [01:32:39] [3/3] (not happening right now for the record, but within the next day or so hopefully) [01:34:47] There’s usually some downtime yeah, you would probably need to coordinate synchronously with a Tech member to minimize and even then there’s a bit of time to roll out [01:35:14] MacFan4000: whats around the shortest downtime between moving domains we can get without going to mars? [01:35:27] that's fine, i'll just try to make sure everyone who wants to use the wiki knows in advance [01:43:27] Mac is usually the one who handles so may still be good to talk with him to try and get a time estimate at least [01:54:57] assuming I'm around when you make the DNS change, I can uasually get it done within an hur [01:55:23] Wow, does the cert rollout take that long? [01:55:47] have to wait for the commit the SSL repo to deploy [01:56:28] (while i'm not adding a cert there, I have to add the domain to certs.yaml) [01:56:53] adding it to cloudflare is a matter of minutes [01:57:21] I guess I could commit to SSL ahead of time, then I could have it done in under 10 minutes [01:57:49] I thought we don’t do CF for most custom domains besides ones using subdomain [01:58:08] Is that particularly disruptive to the workflow) [01:58:21] we aren't adding non-CF domains anymore [01:58:50] root domains can work, but only if pointed via the process outlined on [[Custom domains]] [01:58:52] @link [01:58:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains [01:59:36] Wait [01:59:57] did the cloudflare gods finally respond to our request ticket thing that was blocking? [02:00:13] no [02:00:22] they haven't responded to anything [02:00:44] Drat. [02:00:51] So we found a work around? [02:01:10] rightnow it'll accept CNAME or CNAME flattening (if the domain uses CF for DNS) [02:01:49] root domain stuff is on that page in bold [02:36:10] Like mentioned above, if you coordinate with someone from the tech team (specifically an SRE), it could be as short as 5 minutes [02:43:41] Got it, thanks! I'll mention here when we're ready to move over and we can find a time to coordinate it [03:55:11] [1/2] Does anyone know if there is a way i can change the color under independent? i want to change it to a purple color like the map [03:55:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1347054883013922877/Screenshot_2025-03-05_at_10.54.47_PM.png?ex=67ca6e1f&is=67c91c9f&hm=e590c7996d5ba4515feec47a9ae63dada9d70e128388f95b0f4865b2a365be6b& [04:12:53] successfully recruited someone to start using miraheze a:glorpDualShakey: [04:15:30] [1/4] If this is set up the way I think, [04:15:31] [2/4] >Module:Political party/I [04:15:31] [3/4] >Scroll down until you find Independent (US) (should be line 176) [04:15:31] [4/4] >Change color # [04:16:48] o7 [04:18:24] thanks [04:19:36] i cant edit it lol [04:19:44] and its my wiki [04:21:01] ⁉️ [04:21:20] make sure you are logged in [04:21:40] when you visit a new wiki the system will kick you out of session [04:23:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1347062112060706908/Screenshot_2025-03-05_at_11.23.51_PM.png?ex=67ca74da&is=67c9235a&hm=47c3d4159820a436fd0c8bd8123ae8f4c57205efaf2440f866b38b2bbde6bd97& [04:24:03] its whatever ill just keep the regular color [04:40:58] Same [04:42:42] Hm, still same error [04:50:26] but why [04:51:34] CentralAuth (account system) is a bitch [04:56:19] damn [04:56:23] sucks [06:38:14] idk what yall did but [06:38:19] [1/2] after the down time this is working now [06:38:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1347095937478295553/image.png?ex=67ca945b&is=67c942db&hm=63afb815346f7dc524967c9c1badae475e9acb70dd8268df3ccebef4174e1a01& [06:38:21] out of the blue [06:38:51] some things need a proper kick or a long time to start working [06:38:59] the thing is [06:39:02] i enabled this over [06:39:04] a month or 2 ago [06:39:07] yeah [06:39:09] but after downtime it started to work [06:39:40] on my wiki it worked right away tho, probably because I was using textextract and pageimages for a long time already [06:39:47] fair [06:39:57] they need to generate data [06:53:18] [1/2] that sucks [06:53:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1347099709378007112/image.png?ex=67ca97de&is=67c9465e&hm=77ea0558db9d4e5096632f259a786de2487cea3321633682b9cab6032503e6c7& [06:53:19] at least my userpage is done up [06:53:35] [1/2] @pixldev you might wanna update the discord logo (the one near babel) [06:53:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1347099779188129833/image.png?ex=67ca97ef&is=67c9466f&hm=08113fc6c40b9d92c68ce715b83542da1b5e363bb2220cbd60a5ff50813bd9b1& [06:55:25] This restriction will pass once you've got a few more edits on meta, looksl ike you've probably reached that point. [06:56:53] [1/2] Oh yeah i dont see the need to edit on meta [06:56:54] [2/2] Makes sense tho [06:57:12] Or, hmm, it might be specific to edits on loginwiki if you're creating the userpage there. [06:57:27] Unfortunate byproduct of needing to keep spam bots under control [06:57:33] [1/2] I am making it on loginwiki [06:57:34] [2/2] Isnt that where im meant to make it [06:57:35] Not meta [06:58:08] Yep, that's the correct spot for a global userpage [06:58:26] Was more talking about the criteria to not get dinged by that filter [06:59:11] Don't mind me though, need to call it a night [08:06:25] what's up with maintenance banner still being up [09:15:51] tell me how to fix the problem. I have a lot of orphan pages. But there are definitely links between pages. I use links brackets [[ ]] [09:32:57] special pages are a tad slow on updating last time I've heard [09:36:37] slow to not updating at all I suppose https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13014 [09:43:22] Frisk: working on the maint banner with Claire [09:43:48] ah, oki. [09:44:03] The links issues are a bit of a joke now [09:44:22] A core mediawiki feature has been broke nearly 5 months [09:44:31] Probably because our error [09:44:35] And we still ain't fixed it [09:46:23] is the tech team even sure about what's the issue? I didn't get that feeling from reading the ticket, feels like the cause is mostly established by not particularly sure inference [09:47:26] Frisk: it's 100% links migration related [09:47:32] Exactly what to do with it I've no idea [09:47:44] Maint notice should be gone [09:47:54] \o/ [09:48:02] Whoops sorry I forgot to remove it when maintenance was over... [09:48:12] Hey @cosmicalpha [09:48:28] i just removed it [09:48:28] @cosmicalpha once you've slept, can you have a proper deep dive to what's going on with links [09:48:48] It's not really acceptable to have such broken nature of links pages for months [09:49:05] I can probably not till tomorrow evening as I've got some IRL stuff to do tomorrow though. [09:49:09] ikr wtf [09:49:09] Ok cool [09:49:15] i'm too tired to debug though... [09:49:25] go rest [09:49:38] Thanks! [09:49:41] it's that limbo state of being too tired to do much, but not being tired enough to eep [09:49:43] yw ^_^ [09:50:11] Like it's a fairly important feature of a wiki to able to see what pages need making [09:50:23] BlankEclair: go have a shower or something [09:50:26] i did lol [09:50:39] do it again 😈 [09:50:43] BlankEclair: lie down with blahj? [09:50:48] ye :3 [09:50:53] > [06/03/2025 20:50] do it again 😈 [09:51:00] but that involves getting out of the gay shark station,,, [09:51:13] okey, fine, I entirely support gay shark station [09:51:31] IIRC both paladox and I looked very extensively into this and we really couldn't find anything but then some wikis it suddenly started working on. [09:51:53] * RhinosF1 had to connect to icomera because train [09:51:57] I say that and then we will end up finding it is something very simple though [09:52:13] welcome to computers [09:52:40] @cosmicalpha have you compared the schema and config to what mw.org says it should be on every wiki [09:53:01] Amir should have a python script for checking schema against the abstract data [09:53:06] For their drift tool [09:53:19] And if it's still broken, I'd contact Amir because they did that migration for the wmf [09:53:28] The default schema config is write new read new are the migration was ran on all wikis. [09:53:32] i wish it was acceptable to put debug prints in production [09:53:54] doesn't happen on beta? [09:53:57] @cosmicalpha and it definitely actually worked as a migration? [09:54:09] Beta is a bit fucky, unique and less complex tbh [09:54:30] I can't see it being a mediawiki bug cause WMF surely would have noticed [09:54:30] can we import like 30 articles from some wiki? [09:54:34] You can put temporary log stuff to log some things to graylog channels in production if needed. Just put a buffer so it only logs X requests etc... maybe [09:54:46] Also Eval.php [09:55:02] i mean editing the source code to call var_dump() as you figure it out in real time [09:55:54] log to a log file and tail -f that logfile so that it doesn't print to actual pages but you can find the output in real time on the servers. [09:56:58] o shit true [09:57:04] how do you feel about me just editing the source code though [09:57:55] BlankEclair: try it on beta first please [09:58:12] And revert as soon as you are done [09:58:18] i assume it's a prod only bug? [09:58:32] Beta is not a production like environment [09:58:43] So I wouldn't expect it to be perfect [09:58:55] i was only half-joking [09:58:56] ;) [09:59:04] Its been done before, just be careful not to make a syntax error (like a missing semicolon cough cough) and do not deploy with --force and revert after debugging is done. [09:59:14] oh huh okay [09:59:27] so basically a license to horrify you all, got it [09:59:31] will make you regret it :3 [10:00:22] Its inconvenient but since the bug doesn't happen in beta there really isn't much other way to debug it... [10:00:33] Could you create a support thread? It will be easier to communicate with eachother. [10:01:49] BlankEclair: yup [10:21:23] does miraheze use SWF for cornish [10:21:34] as ive read a few things on it that dont make sense to me [10:21:49] swf? [10:21:56] standard writing form [10:22:00] theres 2 types of cornish [10:35:05] I think it's the same for everyone? At least we get them from translate.net (or was it translate.wiki?) [10:35:41] oh no im asking what cornish was it put in [10:35:45] was it SWF or the old one [10:36:08] I don't know [10:36:25] is there anyway i can find out [10:36:42] https://translatewiki.net/ [10:39:00]