[00:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> so cute
[01:42:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <__starcraft__> [1/2] I am using Citzen
[01:42:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <__starcraft__> [2/2] How do I add a background image?
[02:01:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I think MH should provide for some notices in case a skin is going to be updated.
[02:03:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to yonic_soseki> Not nearly that simple
[02:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Since all our skins are maintained by third parties
[02:04:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I have been workshopping something to do that
[02:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But getting it working will require the assistance of community members
[02:04:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/2] SCTools has always been pushy for modern technologies.
[02:04:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/2] They've even updated their templates to use `<details>` which isn't supported by the MW parser without an extension (which you can't enable Miraheze directly)
[02:05:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Templates on the skin or wiki(
[02:06:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> On their wiki
[02:06:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Surprised it hasn’t been added to core
[02:06:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hm
[02:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> There's been quite some beef about it, the debate went on for more than 10 years afaik
[02:07:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> The `<details>` tag, that is.
[02:09:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to yonic_soseki> the tag has been around for 10 years and we’re still arguing
[02:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ribose_carb> I'm having trouble getting Wiki-Bot set up in my server. Is this the right place to ask for help on it?
[02:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to ribose_carb> Not reaaaally
[02:09:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If it’s a Miraheze issue we can try to helo
[02:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @Wiki-Bot
[02:10:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://discord.gg/v77RTk5 is probably the olace to ask
[02:11:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ribose_carb> Thank you
[02:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> [1/2] I did make an issue on Phorge regarding that extension: https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13080
[02:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> [2/2] Not really a high priority thing, it's relatively easy to port the old one to use the new skin, so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes stale until some consensus is reached in MW core :pupCoffeeMH:
[02:55:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> tool to fix citizen's css variable name changes https://dgox.uk/citizen-replace/
[06:00:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to yonic_soseki> yep, may be great for their wiki but unfortunately it's making using their templates and modules a lot harder for other wikis
[06:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> at this point it would be easier to make a fork
[07:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to yonic_soseki> There's a task to enable that, and I think the only reason it isn't yet is because WM hasn't enabled it yet.
[07:16:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to yonic_soseki> Yeah, that ticket.
[08:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to dgox2> [1/3] Sorry guys! I missed the Citizen updated, and just see my capoeirawiki colors and border-radius are all wrong. 
[08:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to dgox2> [2/3] Do we have an official guide what to do to make it back? And how to avoid this in the future?
[08:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to dgox2> [3/3] cc @yonic_soseki
[08:15:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to mayuxi_> [1/3] you gotta read this and fix it yourself
[08:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to mayuxi_> [2/3] <https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/blob/main/resources/skins.citizen.styles/tokens-theme-base.less>
[08:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to mayuxi_> [3/3] you now have to add oklch and hsl variables if youre changing color primary progressive colors
[08:18:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to snowstacked> thanks! I see @dgox2 mentioned [this tool](https://dgox.uk/citizen-replace/), will try it as well.
[08:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to snowstacked> And we are sure Miraheze won't revert to stable release and use 3.0.0-beta for Citizen?
[08:20:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> not quite sure? you could ask them
[08:20:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> [1/2] got this in case they revert 💪
[08:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353644647334805567/image0.jpg?ex=67e26751&is=67e115d1&hm=db7ac5f272a2043fbcce17847a9b8dfc45b5e115cf01e053be654879947a3c73&
[08:57:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> The tool's really nice, it even replaces the variables that were previously deprecated but the PR refuses to specify which (for example `--font-weight-semibold`, that one's probably used quite a lot)
[09:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Developers_Wiki:Community_portal#Citizen_3.0.0-beta_class_updates
[09:16:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353658769560830044/image.png?ex=67e27478&is=67e122f8&hm=a88dc1fb40620fa57b95af2ed926e55489e5a556455f5871511c3e364d794ebf&
[09:17:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> As reference in the Community Portal on DEV
[09:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> hello
[11:18:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2, replying to yonic_soseki> i’m not really sure why they changed that because i’ve never seen it called semi bold as opposed to semibold
[11:27:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <will1am_xe, replying to __starcraft__> if you want the background just for Citizen go to MediaWiki:Citizen.css
[11:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The citizen skin the most unreliable skin ever, i don't get why a skin needs so many changes
[12:08:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> [1/2] is there any way to make a table like this?
[12:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353701946153767024/image.png?ex=67e29cae&is=67e14b2e&hm=63ba5f4b87cc197434a0fdd2df3a5f05b6bbcbb3c667421ff0eb2660ebbbf451&
[12:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hmmmm
[12:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to redkire25> Table no, div blocks yes
[12:11:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25, replying to mayuxi_> what are div blocks
[12:15:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not tables
[12:16:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> tbh I can see it being done in table format but boy, it's gonna be complicated lol
[12:16:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to redkire25> there are block and inline elements in HTML
[12:17:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] div is basically a rectangle, block element
[12:17:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] table is another block element, it just supports rows and columns
[12:18:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> how do i add them
[12:32:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to redkire25> Table Yes see [[w:Help:Tables]]
[12:32:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Tables>
[12:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353708543705878528/image.png?ex=67e2a2d3&is=67e15153&hm=a7bcc546d88705f84bb57bf88ae18567cc63f0ccabb6110f99917ef6e81f0d13&
[12:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Individual_cell_borders
[12:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> Ah, basically you removed the bottom-border for top_center cell 😄 I thought he wants to have 凸 as single container/cell 😄
[12:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25, replying to mayuxi_> i did
[12:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> but
[12:36:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> this is good
[12:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redkire25> thank you
[12:37:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Just read the examples. It's easy enough
[12:37:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_> yeah, better to stay with tables, will be easier to maintain, then floating divs and grids.
[12:37:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[12:38:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although be prepared for weirdness on mobile
[12:38:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It's how we always did it at the beginning of Wikipedia
[12:38:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> True. Mobile doesn't like tables
[13:06:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fcso> I asked yesterday about images in Discord embeds, it seems to work with JPGs but not SVGs, is there a way to do this?
[13:12:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <macabreexude> svgs don’t work because they have the potential for security exploits iirc? they’re also a vector format and not a raster format so that likely factors in
[13:15:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <macabreexude> could be completely wrong here but oh well
[14:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1353258567548928032 can anyone help with dis
[14:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to macabreexude> Nope, it just mediawiki being dum dum
[14:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <macabreexude> aren’t they talking about images embedding in discord though
[14:19:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> oh
[14:19:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <macabreexude> when you send an svg in discord it just becomes code
[14:20:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> About discord, I have no idea.
[14:21:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> svg is xml if I'm correct
[14:24:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <guimitomoisreal, replying to guimitomoisreal> We still doing this?
[14:32:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> can i upload an online image to a wiki without having to download it to my computer first?
[14:32:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> and if so how do i do that?
[14:33:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> you can upload via url
[14:34:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's a setting for thag
[14:35:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> where's the setting?
[14:35:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> in your admin sidebar, manage this wiki's additional settings, media tab iirc
[14:36:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> ok got it
[14:38:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> once i enable that setting how do i do it? i turned on the textbox in special:upload too but its not showing up
[14:39:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> just keep refreshing
[14:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> i think theres two checkboxes to enable?
[14:41:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> [1/2] yeah i checked these two
[14:41:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353740412422066327/image.png?ex=67e2c081&is=67e16f01&hm=e189604fd2695e45c0839867563912bf58c9f41ff908a15ae21a5961a5c50359&
[14:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> do i just have to wait?
[14:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> yeah
[14:55:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> ok it showed up
[14:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> ty!
[14:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> time to disappear again
[15:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <guimitomoisreal> By the way can we put a custom announcement for our wiki?
[15:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to guimitomoisreal> MediaWiki:Sitenotice
[15:37:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <guimitomoisreal> Ty
[15:38:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to thesnailphilosopher> speaking of which
[15:38:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [1/2] getting this error
[15:38:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353754935153524846/image.png?ex=67e2ce08&is=67e17c88&hm=e4f0684a8ed45f97ef73f2367c8731d7e5104321106a7cca752653c3b145f016&
[15:39:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> oh nvm
[15:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> its me being stupid lol
[15:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <omardude> [1/2] for citizen skin is there a way I can make these collapsed by default in this way
[15:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <omardude> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353757566185898055/image.png?ex=67e2d07b&is=67e17efb&hm=d4f2ed9ae07bcce709b16351f55ee615e9670c7e3ddc38cb4a5f5f2979415f9e&
[16:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> [1/5] Reply from @atxatx on GitHub:
[16:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> [2/5] > Oooh I didn't know someone already make a tool for that. I was going to create a migration guide with the 3.0.0 update but I don't have the time to do it yet.
[16:07:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> [3/5] > Since 3.0.0 is a major release, we hard-deprecated some of the variables that are previously soft-deprecated. That's why some of CSS variables no longer work.
[16:07:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> [4/5] > The tools look fine to me. Alternatively, you can use wiki edit bot tools such as AutoWikiBrowser to mass replace the deprecated variables in your TemplateStyles pages. You can see a list of deprecated variables here: https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/blob/524b174ab6c0fd6a640894f2f7e9adb740917b0f/resources/skins.citizen.styles/tokens.
[16:07:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to rodejong> [5/5] less#L290
[18:12:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fcso, replying to macabreexude> Hmm, is there a way to have a JPG/PNG file preview? It feels like that would get around the issue
[18:15:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it shouldn't be a problem I think, because svg is often used for logo and renders fine
[18:15:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> lemme test
[18:15:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [[Infoboxes]]
[18:15:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[18:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes
[18:16:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hmm
[18:16:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> unless logo fallback isn't set on Meta
[18:20:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <macabreexude, replying to agentisai> btw when is this going thru??? it appears it's still up
[18:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cipherscat> [1/2] how do i get rid of the line on the topbar with the timeless skin
[18:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cipherscat> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353796460545703946/Screenshot_2025-03-24_142322.png?ex=67e2f4b4&is=67e1a334&hm=af301b65f83ee1d4014ad403352fe98797c8b5ff46aff6d8ceeaa316f41e4d65&
[18:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to cipherscat> [1/2] the red-blue-green line?
[18:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to cipherscat> [2/2] `.color-left, .color-middle, .color-right`
[18:42:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cipherscat, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> thank you
[19:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [1/2] apologies if this is obvious-- trying to follow [this guide](<https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13309>), what would i put in host? and if i wanted to do both ``cf-lb.miraheze.org`` and ``cp36.wikitide.net`` CNAME record, what would i do?
[19:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353807337932197948/firefox_IqrwGFXSaP.png?ex=67e2fed5&is=67e1ad55&hm=81471bd41155d556502769ae77c3c2733eb5611f6bb6b72495fe979004b01fea&
[19:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to dgox2> Codex (the design system in the MediaWiki space) called it that day, so we switched it in Citizen to sync with their change. Breaking changes are introduced with 3.0 because it is a major version, and we only release major versions when there's a MW LTS update (e.g. 1.43)
[19:08:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> yeah thats fair i realised it after sending
[19:08:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> still odd for codex anyway
[19:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to superkirbylover> You can't do both
[19:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> fucked up
[19:09:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> cause it said something about a fallback
[19:09:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @superkirbylover the easiest way to set things up is to use Cloudflare's free plan for DNS
[19:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> Yeah but I don't have an opinion on that. Staying in sync with Codex improves the maintainability of the skin while making the skin more readable for other MW devs and users
[19:13:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover, replying to rhinosf1> do you know if there's a neat little walkthrough for that or naur, never used cloudflare before
[19:14:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to superkirbylover> Sign up, you can sign in with Google and it'll talk you through adding the domain bit
[19:14:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> ye alrighty
[19:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You can open a #support thread if you get stuck and I'll talk you through it
[19:14:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> awesome :> thank you
[19:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And you can ping me when you're done to the magic on our side
[19:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to originalauthority> [1/2] I don't disagree with that. Most skins are either abandoned or on life support, so there aren't a lot of changes going on.
[19:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to originalauthority> [2/2] Citizen is in active development, so does design trends and web standards. In order to keep up and keep iterating, changes are being made continuously, and we avoid breaking changes as much as possible until a major version release (e.g. every 2 year with MW LTS)
[19:25:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel> [1/2] is there a way to add more of these tabs to the top bar of a page?
[19:25:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353811906296549436/image.png?ex=67e30317&is=67e1b197&hm=ca6b1087aeb9caa99f318b3a5af0ac9bff5c2253cde21282efe109b8d8269dd0&
[19:25:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel> [1/2] this bar I mean
[19:25:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1353811957605597184/image.png?ex=67e30323&is=67e1b1a3&hm=46e6917d73c5683cdccde60e12475d01e84ec9072b913f84ad40799ef4116ecd&
[19:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> js
[23:19:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <__starcraft__, replying to will1am_xe> 👌