[00:35:52] it's for fictional characters [00:35:54] 😭 [03:08:31] [1/2] has the twitter feed embed been replaced with something else? I can't seem to get it to load anymore [03:08:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356102834743152680/image.png?ex=67eb58ae&is=67ea072e&hm=831d31134339da39a8e106c541cce652507eb190a9780c51bd8a37aefe54fb56& [03:14:44] The extension was archived by Wikimedia because the API apparently hadn’t worked for 8 months, so it was uninstalled globally. [03:15:28] is there any alternative to it [03:16:55] To whom it may concern and anyone who may have an idea [03:17:29] JavaScript, I know some people did it but I don’t know if they’re okay with me giving it out:p [06:45:45] https://tm.miraheze.org/Anneliese_Braun (ignoring the article itself) why doesn't category work here [06:55:25] Hi, does anyone know how to automatically add a date to a messagebox template? I want it so that when it was added to a page, to also be signed with the date so editors know how long that message has been there for. [07:21:45] [1/2] oh also how do you do that tabbed image thing in templates? [07:21:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356166564503883786/image.png?ex=67eb9409&is=67ea4289&hm=fc75ebf3a729ac96d33092e3e1a4c3222996d57b7de4fb3526c48340963a6466& [07:27:30] is your infobox a portable infobox [07:27:36] ye [07:28:10] [1/7] you can do that by doing this [07:28:11] [2/7] ``` [07:28:11] [3/7] | (your image parameter) = [07:28:11] [4/7] IceSpice.png | Best artist [07:28:12] [5/7] IceSpiceAgain.png | My GOAT [07:28:12] [6/7] /gallery [07:28:12] [7/7] ``` [07:28:27] gotcha, appreciate it <3 [07:31:58] the `` code piece is used for making signs w/ date and username [07:32:37] see boards at Meta Wiki for examples [07:38:26] ah perfect, it worked <3 thank you [07:44:58] sidenote, drawing all your own art for a wiki is agony [07:54:30] me when i was making a fan site for a contest circa 2012 [07:59:54] https://slothxlove.miraheze.org/wiki/Lucy_Hawkins at least her pages done.. mostly, shes not gonna get much because BG character and I dont know how to write wiki entries [08:03:04] LF for somone give me a free code that looks good for a forum [08:38:57] Seems to work fine? [08:39:06] i fixed it [08:39:08] an extra : [08:39:11] 💀 [08:40:03] i was indeed right about it being a stupid problem [10:47:18] My bot has been running for 24 hours now. It has fixed half the pages [11:38:24] [1/2] https://rayward.miraheze.org/wiki/Skull-eye [11:38:24] [2/2] why is my infbx broken [13:13:50] hi, is there an easy way of getting a page to look nice? [13:14:16] i have NEVER worked with a wiki and im curious if theres a foolproof way of setting up a basic wiki page [13:15:26] [1/2] something that looks like this, not too complex [13:15:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356255571833258074/image.png?ex=67ebe6ee&is=67ea956e&hm=2c991856875ba3b843a5bb2678b65f60ffcb97be7ae25bb4e1a825bb4a0113c4& [13:27:00] I have a question: Is there a way to mass delete imported pages? [13:27:23] I tried using the Nuke and I apparently only can delete pages made by me [13:39:29] | notable_works = [[Porto Quartzo Quartz Factory[[KMDW]] [13:39:30] [13:40:08] | notable_works = [[Porto Quartzo Quartz Factory|KMDW]] [13:42:19] Depends on what you want it to look like, and what you want to use. [13:46:15] elaborate please? [13:48:28] Well, There are templates and formats that make up a wikipage [13:48:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing [13:49:49] Read through that so you get a basic understanding. [13:50:03] It will be a great help [13:52:07] [1/2] i feel stupid [13:52:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356264801478901852/image.png?ex=67ebef86&is=67ea9e06&hm=1a082bccdb7fd5905dfd9317d3cbd32f0a77d305099e9c735e2f31c5af428271& [13:52:35] oh [13:52:39] it needs an extensions [13:52:43] i see [13:53:53] [1/3] the base look, layout of the wiki defined by skin, the sidebar, the username placement,stuff like that [13:53:54] [2/3] skin in this example is called legacy Vector [13:53:54] [3/3] where the actual article appears - it's called content area, it's like blank canvas where editor makes everything w/ wiki text formatting, templates etc [13:55:09] i mean the content area. i want a basic text, a content summmary box (like the thing on the left that links you to specific segments of the article) and an info box on the right [13:55:45] table of content appears automatically when there are 3 headings, or can be forced w/ magic words [13:55:47] [1/2] Table of Contents [13:55:48] [2/2] `TOC` [13:56:10] thanks [13:56:13] [1/4] I strongly suggest to check [13:56:13] [2/4] [[mw:Help:Formatting]] [13:56:13] [3/4] [[mw:Help:Link]] [13:56:14] [4/4] for the beginning [13:56:14] [1/2] [13:56:14] [2/2] [13:57:33] [1/5] infobox is a type of templates [13:57:34] [2/5] here's the basic introduction into templates [13:57:34] [3/5] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [13:57:34] [4/5] and here's my attempt at what are infoboxes and how they can be made [13:57:35] [5/5] [[Infoboxes]] [13:57:35] [1/2] [13:57:35] [2/2] [14:00:28] Taking a 💤 🕓 ➡️ 🕕 CEST 👋🏻 [14:00:36] Do you have a list of the pages [14:01:24] thanks mate :3 [14:02:08] Not in a text file or anything, but I can point them out in the import log [14:03:05] Could you put them in a text file [14:03:44] There are quite a lot of them but theoretically yes [14:04:18] Practically, I ain't doing that bit for you [14:04:22] I'll do the mass deletion [14:04:54] wth is visual builder [14:06:42] So, I just put the list in a text file and send it to you? [14:06:56] Ye [14:07:15] [1/2] visual editor is an extension, turns article editing into ms word like UI, but it's kinda trashy, we suggest admins to embrace source editor [14:07:16] [2/2] if you mean infobox visual builder, it's a tool to create portable infoboxes, easiest/simplest way [14:07:53] infobox VB [14:07:54] Alright, I'll come back to you in some minutes [14:08:07] please read the guide I linked earlier [14:09:32] i tried its pretty confusing [14:09:42] [1/2] i think i have to enable this, right? [14:09:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356269226977136760/image.png?ex=67ebf3a5&is=67eaa225&hm=28a6f030dde7cb0dd2d95e065b061f19434facfa0d57ca6119063747d4b6a980& [14:12:20] the issue with the wiki links provided is that they all explain (to me) complicated terms with other, even more complicated terms [14:22:12] yes, enable extension [14:22:52] extensions are like add-ons, on Miraheze many are installed but each wiki is free to enable/disable some of them [14:24:11] [1/2] after that go to yourwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:InfoboxBuilder page [14:24:11] [2/2] might need a refresh if loading bar stuck [14:25:27] [1/2] okay now i think i have to edit it? [14:25:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356273193714978967/image.png?ex=67ebf757&is=67eaa5d7&hm=78a75a8fa06564c61a0ee7ee0ce64344ddd5d6114dc36e841fd7ae601e8cc5ee& [14:26:12] Ooh I've literally had the same thing today [14:26:17] Just wait a bit and try again [14:26:53] might take a bit of time for things to start working, like extensions and CSS/JS [14:26:58] okayyyy [14:27:01] gotcha [14:27:10] oh! [14:27:14] theres a loading bar now! [14:28:00] refresh again, it's a bug [14:28:27] Okkkk [15:17:00] ❓ [15:17:03] mira down [17:11:12] [1/7] What I need help with: [17:11:12] [2/7] Is anyone able to provide an example of a template that expands/adds-to itself as more entries are added? [17:11:13] [3/7] I've seen this on game wikis in the past, usually for navboxes I think. Where parent and child columns are added without "adding" more code. [17:11:13] [4/7] What I'm trying to do: [17:11:13] [5/7] I'm trying to create song lists for a bands live performances. I don't know how many songs are in a setlist so the template needs to expand automatically, and I need each line to alternate background color. [17:11:14] [6/7] If anyone can give assitance, it'd be appreciated. [17:11:14] [7/7] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356314904780341379/image.png?ex=67ec1e30&is=67eaccb0&hm=0b6776b291a569df1e0ebc4064321c7ed57e30e11fe19f420bb72432e07eb285& [17:19:28] [1/2] Is there a way I can remove /templatestyles [17:19:29] [2/2] I've tried editing the module, and the template, and both don't work [17:26:21] template styles is just CSS, you can remove this code and it will stop applying [17:26:52] I did try removing it from the module, but that js broke up the code [17:28:17] [1/3] not from module, from template I meant [17:28:17] [2/3] well, it will break it because you remove it [17:28:18] [3/3] I don't understand what do you want [17:31:38] [1/2] This is the code for the template: [17:31:38] [2/2] {{#invoke:Infobox military conflict|main}}/includeonly{{documenation}}/noinclude [17:31:39] [17:32:31] Should I remove the infobox military conflict part? [17:37:46] what kind of template is it in the first place [17:38:01] are you using military conflict infobox? [17:38:12] you want base infobox? [17:41:54] Infobox military conflict [17:42:39] I've gotten every part right, except that when I use the template, that module thingy shows up [17:42:44] And I cant remove it [18:00:51] SKIBIDIFARMS.ST [18:00:56] HUTUCORD WON [18:01:01] FUCK NIGGERS [18:01:01] @mysterious_piglet_00970 Watch your language. [18:01:18] @Discord Moderators [18:01:19] KILL ALL TROONS [18:01:31] OMG DISCORD MOD [18:02:09] YOU'RE A TUTSI [18:02:12] KYS [18:02:18] HUTUCORD WON [18:02:22] HUTUCORD [18:18:23] what the fcuk happened while i was gone lmao [18:19:14] also is miraheze down or something :( [18:19:19] nvm [18:19:52] Nothing exciting, standard clean up for folks who have nothing better to do with their time [18:22:01] i see [18:22:19] [1/2] i came back and this is what shows up on the page ive been told to use now. [18:22:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356332800227147977/image.png?ex=67ec2edb&is=67eadd5b&hm=9df991c9a0a5ead1f8a9b23e42365075e49ce96ee359192978d62f9a190a35ae& [18:22:59] so if i wanna make an infobox on my page, do i need to edit it here, or is this just the default layout that will apply as soon as i place an infobox on a page? [18:31:12] [1/2] The infobox builder is a visual editor to aid you in making a very basic infobox. It will give you the actual wikitext to put in a template when you are done there. You can NOT edit an existing infobox with it, and it is also VERY limited compared to what you can do with Portable Infobox(PI), by writing more code yourself. THere is almost NOTHING you can't do with PI, if you are will [18:31:13] [2/2] ing to put in the time to learn it. [18:32:45] so basically when i wanna make an infobox, i can make it in PIB, and then use the template created to add it to a site [18:32:58] but that template can then not be changed on the site i use it on [18:33:00] (?) [18:36:46] You can still change it, by adding/modifying the code itself, but you can't edit it via the builder directly, you would have to re-create it at least from scratch then [18:37:52] hmmm [18:38:08] but its not like that i add it into my page and modify the contents there [18:38:45] so basically, if i were to make an infobox for 2 pages with different contents, then id need to make two different infoboxes, right? [19:01:01] Are they for the same purpose? [19:01:13] Or different? [19:01:28] If different, then yes 2 separate infoboxes [19:03:46] But if its for the same purpose, but one subject needs more/different content, then it can be the same infobox but has required and not required information [19:09:19] [1/2] Here's a sort of example with a template I modified from Pikipedia that I still need to fix a minor issue [19:09:19] [2/2] https://usagishima.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Glitch [19:25:30] Hi, this is a question about a prospective wiki that wants to move from Fandom. [19:25:48] A while ago, the [Vocaloid Lyrics Wiki](https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Lyrics_Wiki) asked some questions about migration and Miraheze admins reacted positively to the general prospect. [19:26:02] [1/2] Our intent was to have discussions on our end before taking concrete steps; those stalled out for various reasons, but now Fandom is claiming they can't let us host any of the lyrics on our pages for copyright reasons. Our only way of preventing this would be to obtain permission from each individual producer and label, a task which is infeasible for various reasons (up to [19:26:03] [2/2] and including the deaths of some producers). [19:26:09] [1/2] This has made us want to move faster in our plans for migration, obviously, but we want to know before requesting a wiki if Miraheze would allow us to host lyrics without explicit permission from each producer. Nothing was mentioned against it the last time we talked to you all, but Fandom only instituted this rule very recently despite us having been in contact with them [19:26:10] [2/2] for over a decade, so we wanted to double-check. Thank you for your time. [19:30:35] I know some music wikis which post lyrics as they hear [19:30:55] that's how they state it in their descriptions/rules [19:31:50] tbh I didn't expect vocaloid lyrics to be in such position comparing to general big music industry [19:33:11] What do you mean by that? That we'd only be able to host lyrics that we transcribed, or that there's precedent for this kind of wiki on Miraheze? [19:34:24] Also, is there someone I should tag to get an "official" answer on this? [19:41:00] [1/2] stewards, I guess [19:41:01] [2/2] but I'd say music wikis didn't have copyright complaints [19:42:17] @Stewards Hi again, sorry for the lack of contact over the past several months. Do you know if Miraheze will allow us to host lyrics without explicit permission from each producer? Again, nothing was mentioned suggesting "no" last time we spoke, but we wanted to double-check. [19:48:37] It's a tad grey [19:57:58] Does that mean "yes" or "no" or "we need more specifics" or what? [20:09:21] All 3? [20:10:19] lyrics printed in magazines, which you could buy, had to get explicit copyright permission [20:11:25] but we aren't commercial entity ... and I'm sure indie artists are more understanding than big labels towards fans ... [20:14:59] [1/2] The vast majority of the songs whose lyrics we host are publicly broadcast for free online, with lyrics typically displayed in the video. Often, the producer will post the lyrics in the description or link to where they've hosted them on [piapro](https://piapro.jp/) or Dropbox or Google Drive. When these links are included, we include them on the page. Of course, we link p [20:14:59] [2/2] rominently to the official uploads of the songs on YouTube/Nico Nico Douga/bilibili/etc. If a song is only available on an album, we only link to places where you can buy/stream the album legally. [20:17:17] [1/2] The translations that are on some pages come from a variety of sources. A lot of them are from wiki editors. Some of them are the official English translation approved by the producer, usually found in closed captions or hardsubs. Some of them are from outside hardsubs, many of which are no longer available. Some of them are from blogs and the like of non-wiki editors; whe [20:17:17] [2/2] re possible, we have obtained permission from these non-wiki translators to host their translations. [20:18:13] [Here's an example of a fairly typical page with lyrics sourced from the producer's piapro and a translation contributed by a wiki editor.](https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC_(Fixer)) [20:19:18] Is there anything else you need to know? [20:38:32] I feel it would be no issue but technically there is a non zero chance of a rights holder calling you on it which is the concern at the heart of things [20:39:07] I think we're better about getting direct permission for our translations than the original lyrics, but we also have composers posting lyrics to the wiki themselves, so I don't think there's a huge issue with copyright. Regardless, we comply with all takedown requests. [20:39:23] Rights holders have asked us in the past to delete their song pages. We've done so with little issue. [20:39:42] sourced with care, permission solicited where possible, due diligence taken, procedure for takedown if mandated, more than most people bother to do and I do not see a problem [20:41:00] Yeah the wiki is happy to take down lyrics if asked, our issue is with false copyright claims moreso than anything involving actual artists [20:44:42] Thank you very much for the confirmation! [20:45:00] np [20:48:13] One more question: if we want to be extra sure, should we email Trust and Safety about our concerns, or is that only for existing copyright claims on wikis that have already been created? [20:48:16] this reminds me of lyric wiki on wikia [20:49:00] Um what's the best mobile skin guys? [20:49:03] You can email them or ping them (through pinging @Steward\s did ping the Director of Trust and Safety as well) [20:49:08] I have a question. [20:49:22] Can articles on Miraheze contain graphic content? [20:49:36] Let's say an article is about true crime, can it contain crime scene evidence? [20:50:11] That’s fine. Just make sure to warn users and don’t display excessive gore that’s not needed for the article (i.e. 4K image of a person decapitated) [20:50:27] Also please don't prejudice anything that's active [20:50:48] graphic content should consider the nsfw carveout in [[Content Policy]] [20:50:48] Can articles be about medical topics? [20:50:49] [20:51:53] Some of the articles I am writing are about medical topics (e.g. abortion), and may contain images or diagrams that are graphic relating to abortion (as an example), is that permissible? [20:52:04] Copyright is copyright. Black and white. In that sense, Fandom is right. You need to ask permission from each copyright holder. See [[w:Copyright]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Copyright]] to understand why Wikipedia for example, can't host lyrics either. [20:52:05] [1/2] [20:52:06] [2/2] [20:52:26] I know Fandom, for example, doesn't allow medical or science wikis. [20:52:40] So I'm not sure if Miraheze allows us to host wikis that are based on scientific topics. [20:52:58] Probably no restrictions right? [20:53:19] You can host scientific wikis [20:53:31] Thank you for letting us know. [20:53:38] It can, but again, Copyright [20:54:03] Huh? [20:54:27] ro is our copyright stickler [20:54:51] You cannot use copyrighted materials. Unless you summarise it yourself, then there is no problem [20:54:56] @oceanwavez I would suggest you apply the rules in https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis to any graphic medical imagery [20:55:02] I am more of the mind to be permissive as far as you can commonly expect on the average platform, so long as it is permitted by the people who have the rights to call you on it [20:55:03] And maybe add some sensitive labels [20:55:04] I use scientific sources and citations. [20:55:31] Are Miraheze wikis expected to be neutral on all topics? [20:55:38] not necessarily [20:55:42] No [20:55:55] there is some context depending on the subject matter [20:56:09] Would anyone be willing to give me specific guidance as to whether my wiki is aligned with Miraheze policies or not? [20:56:28] a full idea of what the wiki is can help get that feedback [20:56:41] that could be posted on discord or for a more controlled review, submitted directly to a steward/to steward email [20:56:58] [1/2] We are more relaxed than Wikipedia, but you want to stay close to it. [20:56:58] [2/2] PseudoScience for example often is seen as misleading [20:57:21] It is an embryology wiki which contains articles on prenatal development, pregnancy, neonatology, abortion, IVF, and the political, scientific, and sociological implications of those topics. [20:57:48] That's going to discuss people and groups then so the following applies [20:57:59] [1/2] > When discussing people, organizations, communities, and groups, wikis must make sure that their content is a meaningful source of commentary on the subjects they cover and substantiated by independent referencing where appropriate. A wiki is considered to provide meaningful commentary if it provides neutral factual coverage of its subjects, reasoned opinionated commentary or advoc [20:58:00] [2/2] acy, or a clearly identifiable comedic or satirical purpose. [20:58:41] [1/2] I tried sourcing the material in APA format from reliable sources. [20:58:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356372151992713303/image.png?ex=67ec5381&is=67eb0201&hm=d6c6096a352b15403cc28c2a06d5862fd814009fb75e608e8e18a6a29bb83b88& [20:59:09] That's well referenced [20:59:31] The graphic imagery thing is in relation to whether or not it would be permissible to show a diagram of how an abortion is performed, for example. [20:59:45] That's my concern. [20:59:50] PseudoScience can also be very well sourced 😉 [20:59:59] Since I don't want to wake up one day and see my wiki deleted because someone got upset over an image. [21:00:12] It should probably be collapsed or blurred by default [21:00:36] But if there's benefit that can be gained then it's got a legitimate purpose [21:00:46] [[Content Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis|NSF [21:01:07] Most of the images are not real images, they are illustrations. [21:01:13] We wouldn't just delete a wiki with no notice [21:01:19] Oh okay. [21:01:20] We're nice people [21:01:23] [[Content Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis|NSF Rules]] [21:01:32] So like would you guys let me know to fix something before deleting the entire thing (as an example)? [21:01:37] We don't need the link for the 3rd time [21:01:42] Yes [21:01:44] _Huh? Bot dead?_ [21:01:46] Stupid question, but could we host transliterated/translated lyrics if they’re hosted by wiki staff? [21:01:46] Oh ok that's good [21:01:49] Absolutely [21:02:09] And another question I had is abouut the scope of a wiki [21:02:16] How large can the scope be [21:02:31] No, as again, Copyright. Translation makes no difference in Translation [21:02:34] Like in an embryology wiki, is it appropriate to include articles about politics surrounding embryology? [21:02:43] Which would include abortion, Supreme Court, IVF, etc.. [21:02:51] Or is that too broad of a scope? [21:03:04] sorry if im asking too many questions [21:03:20] That sounds fine @oceanwavez as long the commentary is reasoned opinion or factual [21:03:25] I would accept the request as Wikireviewer [21:03:35] Please ask away [21:03:42] It's lovely to hear people's ideas [21:03:57] We have had serious issues with prior instances of requests for this topic previously [21:04:14] Just to confirm, in spite of this, we should follow what The Librarian says on this matter because he's a wiki reviewer? (Sorry, I'm not really sure how the Miraheze hierarchy works.) [21:04:17] If you also take both sides... that would especially be necessary to stay neutral [21:04:44] I try not to write my opinions in, but I will say that the article does not portray abortion in as light or good of a way as Wikipedia does. [21:05:03] Stewards have final say on in-policy [21:05:29] Absolutely [21:06:05] I'm a biology and bioethics student, and I'm interested in prenatal development, so the articles about controversial topics may appear to be pro-life to some readers, but I try to be as unbiased as possible. [21:06:18] I was speaking as a steward yes [21:06:39] ro's input is most useful in considering risk which I'd covered anyway [21:07:10] Sorry for my confusion, but if Raidarr, as a Steward, is saying, "I would accept this wiki request" and The Librarian is saying, "I would not accept this wiki request," does it just depend on who happens to pick up that case? [21:07:32] Is this okay? @rodejong [21:07:34] Ro is wiki request reviewer [21:07:52] Raidarr is too, but also a steward [21:08:05] Stewards are the final arbiters of community consensus and policy [21:08:15] So @raidarr would have the final say [21:08:53] Does anyone else think Wikipedia is a bit biased when it comes to contentious topics? [21:09:12] Bias is kinda hard to fully avoid [21:09:17] [1/2] Not really, as I am bound by the interpretation of the law, but the Stewards may be more lenient. [21:09:18] [2/2] But the risk is, that a DMCA could be filed, which happens all the time (I am familiar with BumaStemra in the Netherlands for example) So If they make a complaint, the Stewards would need to take the material down, to which the DMCA was filed. [21:09:26] true [21:09:33] Not true [21:09:41] Stewards have no say over a DCMA request [21:09:55] Please read [21:09:55] That's T&S remit and T&S only [21:09:59] As it's a legal request [21:10:04] Ah... [21:10:08] I have a question about wikipedia content on miraheze articles [21:10:11] can you use wikipedia content [21:10:13] Yeah, you're right [21:10:17] for parts of the article [21:10:27] meaning, let's say i wanted to make an article about apple [21:10:29] apples* [21:10:30] If it's referenced fully [21:10:35] oh ok [21:10:51] Although I'd advise looking at the original source rather than Wikipedia [21:10:57] Seeing a legit advertisement someone paid for on adult website to a Miraheze wiki with call for editors caught me by surprise today lol (topic of the wiki is not adult related though) [21:11:04] Yes you can, but you need to attribute it as per cc-by-sa [21:11:22] a Miraheze wiki has an ad? [21:11:26] Is fair use images allowed [21:11:28] it does! [21:11:28] Another step for Miraheze [21:11:33] haha [21:11:33] This is a W [21:11:42] Fair use is allowed, yes [21:11:48] [1/2] DMCA is where I was leading to - in my experience what was described would probably be fine and we have no reason to proactively play copyright police nor humor unserious accusations or malformed claimage, however, rights holders retain every right to say cut it off and Miraheze will back them completely on that. I was also responding more to the scena [21:11:48] [2/2] rio presented and not a complete wiki concept. [21:11:49] Make sure to cite what provision you are claiming [21:12:05] [1/2] Guys how do I handle this.... These cover arts are just screenshots from games/shows [21:12:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356375524259397925/Screenshot_2025-03-31-23-09-56-544_com.android.chrome.jpg?ex=67ec56a5&is=67eb0525&hm=444aec6c99478ca9f398f7f6259434efb0348762d0074a52fc82f958520366a1& [21:12:15] grumbles about Google [21:12:20] [1/12] 📜 '''[[w:Fair use|Fair use doctrine]]:''' [21:12:20] [2/12] In principle, everything is '''copyrighted unless otherwise stated'''. You can always find the rules regarding use of images, text, etc. in their terms of use. There exists the rule of Fair Use, under which you can use an image to explain the purpose of the game for example. [21:12:20] [3/12] Fair use is a legal doctrine that allows for the limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright owner for purposes such as criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, fair use is subject to limitations, including considerations of the purpose and character of the use, the nature of the copyrig [21:12:21] [4/12] hted work, the amount and substantiality of the portion used, and the effect of the use on the potential market for the original work. [21:12:21] [5/12] Copyright law establishes the legal framework for creators to protect their original works from unauthorized use or reproduction, thereby restricting the scope of fair use. [21:12:21] [6/12] * [[c:Commons:Fair use|Commons:Fair use]] [21:12:21] [7/12] * [[w:Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria|Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria]] [21:12:22] [8/12] * [[w:Fair use|Fair use]] [21:12:22] [9/12] You cannot download a whole set of images and upload that under Fair Use, but one image should be fine, as long as it's not under a license that allows for commercial activity. It is one of the main reasons that [[c:Commons Wikimedia|Commons Wikimedia]] (The repository for [[Wikipedia]]) also prohibits the Fair Use Doctrine. It is simply not compatible with o [21:12:22] [10/12] ur [[Creative Commons]] license, and relicensing is not allowed. [21:12:23] [11/12] So when you use a copyrighted image, make sure to state the Fair Use purpose. You can copy the template from Wikipedia: [21:12:23] [12/12] [[w:Template:Non-free fair use|Template:Non-free fair use]] [21:12:24] [1/2] [21:12:24] [2/2] [21:12:30] we could look into that again [21:12:37] [1/2] Whats the best mobile skin [21:12:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356375659991269627/image.png?ex=67ec56c5&is=67eb0545&hm=7d58a3db67926f42d4a846673428836443acf98cc8866c96f97cff369b48e1e8& [21:12:44] since rn the mobile version of "modern" looks very weird [21:12:54] modern is not [21:12:55] The default skin is okay [21:12:58] Cosmos is nice as well [21:13:07] Citizen is pretty responsive [21:13:07] Would be dope if they accept us this time 🥺 [21:13:10] in fact modern is probably the worst choice second to cologne blue or nostalgia [21:13:16] The wiki that is being advertised is https://cyberpedia.miraheze.org/ and here is how the banner looks like (stolen from my social media post) https://cdn.woof.tech/media_attachments/files/114/258/380/329/880/577/original/fffa8186960ed64e.png [21:13:18] There is it looks like there is already a wiki on your planned topic: embryology.miraheze.org, I suggest contributing there. [21:13:22] I’ll try it right now maybe [21:13:31] Huh [21:13:42] That's my wiki lol [21:13:47] minerva is the default skin, it's, well you will like it or you won't but it's dead simple and will resolve choice paralysis [21:13:50] I HATE MODERN IT’S SO UGLY [21:14:01] it's modern as of a few decades ago [21:14:07] true [21:14:18] Yeah modern ain't modern [21:14:18] reading the page for it it was made in 2008 [21:14:25] where even is that [21:14:30] i don't see cosmos as an option [21:14:33] it looks like some shitty old facebook clone [21:14:35] extensions menu [21:14:37] I'm confused why you're grabbing these questions for an already approved wiki as if you're requesting a new one then [21:15:01] No i'm not requesting a new one, i'm asking about the scope of the wiki [21:15:10] i like cosmos because it looks like old f*ndom which i am (unfortunately?) nostalgic for [21:15:14] a change of scope? [21:15:17] And about whether certain content is allowed [21:15:20] Nono [21:15:25] or ironing out boundaries with already approved one [21:15:30] Yes [21:16:01] Is anyone willing to read an article I wrote and analyze it to see if it is okay [21:18:07] [1/2] Thank you for clarifying. So we shouldn't take The Librarian's statement as a definite judgment that our wiki request (with the same scope and topic as the Fandom version) would not be accepted, and it's still worth it to submit a request? (I'm sorry for asking all these questions, I just want to make sure I 100% understand whether we're allowed befor [21:18:07] [2/2] e we make any moves we can't take back.) [21:18:44] his statement was made informally yes [21:18:51] Correct [21:19:05] Thank you once again! [21:19:19] I am the most strict reviewer, But you'd always get a right for re-review [21:19:26] What does a wiki reviewer do [21:19:28] ultimately the request will be reviewed as-is first by the ai (if approved then that is more or less that unless it was a severe error), passed through to direct WC review, and even if that is unsuccessful it is possible to appeal reviews [21:19:31] Does this mean you can tell me if my article is okay [21:19:52] Wiki reviewers review wiki requests [21:20:01] Oh [21:20:04] if you want an authoritative review I would suggest sending it by email to cvt or stewards@ and that will be the most formal response vs an informal one presented via discord [21:20:08] Stewards are global bureaucrats who have the power to tell you whether a wiki or article is okay or not [21:20:25] I mention cvt to increase the review surface but ultimately it is stewards call [21:21:38] Basically, my concern is that I don't want to put a lot of time into writing all of these articles for my wiki if they might end up deleted one day. I'm concerned that if someone disagrees with the content in an article or finds something disturbing, that my wiki will be taken down and all of that time spent writing and researching would have been useless. [21:22:14] and that's a legitimate reason and I stand by the recommendation for best results, albeit the response would not be immediate [21:22:28] Someone disagreeing will not see your wiki be taken down, there has to be a legal view involved for that to happen [21:23:01] it would be taken down as a policy concern (which might be legal or platform specific), individual sensibility is not a valid reason for takedown [21:23:14] we're also generally obligated to provide database backups [21:23:33] Can I send you the specific article that I'm concerned about? [21:23:37] yes, it has increasingly become standard process for wikis to be subject to controlled shutdown with dump recovery [21:23:57] I recommend the email because I'm personally rather backlogged and can't promise a timely response [21:24:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#10c._Termination [21:24:10] oh [21:24:26] you can also proactively make backups of your content [21:24:38] cvt[at]miraheze.org [21:25:03] and would they give me a chance to fix something if something was against policy [21:25:05] or would it be deleted [21:25:25] yeah you'd be given a chance [21:25:25] generally a chance is given for correction unless the issue is egregious [21:25:43] unless you're sitting on straight up nazi glorification research or something you're probably fine [21:27:18] For example, ||a scientific, bioethical, and medical article about abortion containing diagrams of abortion procedures and an image of a deceased fetus to illustrate the method||. Let's say content in that article was against the rules or like an image or something, would it result in my entire wiki being deleted or would they tell me to fix it? [21:27:47] last spoilered bit should consider the content policy carveout for nsfw [21:29:02] wikis are generally shut down under two circumstances, either the whole thing's plain non compliant with no anticipated chances to fix it, or something serious is added on like lied in the wiki request or there's a lot of really bad stuff primarily added by the founder/s, active editors or something like that. Outright deletion is reserved for the most severe cases [21:29:32] there's other odd cases but this is generally how it is supposed to go [21:30:00] okay that makes sense [21:30:09] how do i collapse images again [21:30:10] and if it's an odd page that's the issue then at worst the page goes if the whole thing is a problem, perhaps with a notice to the poster, or if say the image you mentioned was just too bad to keep up, that image might be struck out specifically [21:30:19] Please read [[Content Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis|NSFW rules]] [21:30:29] /grmbl [21:30:30] its not giving me a link to that [21:30:40] is there a link [21:30:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis [21:30:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy#Not-safe-for-work_wikis [21:30:46] is it this [21:31:02] we really should have a standard template for that, there's a few ways to do it but the best I remember is finding a mediawiki help guide about collapsible [21:31:47] I will make one [21:31:50] is a diagram considered nsfw as well, even if it is only an illustration [21:32:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Collapse_top [21:32:25] and what if most articles on the wiki are SFW, but only one contains material not suited for some audiences [21:32:35] can i limit the NSFW notice to one article? [21:33:16] that would work yes [21:33:48] the duck test, which is basically discretion is used to draw the line. You can submit the image to stewards@ for review to be sure, otherwise I don't think diagrams usually are a problem [21:33:54] Media that is explicit in nature should be [[Template:Collapse top|collapsed]] by default [21:34:09] Easy fix [21:34:27] would you be able to quickly look over the article [21:34:28] its ok if not [21:34:59] Erm... I'd rather not due to my personal stance. I might not be neutral in this [21:35:51] i just mean on whether it meets the rules or not [21:35:59] As Reviewer, I would always let an other reviewer take that [21:36:02] not on whether you think its good or smth [21:36:40] i tried collapsing the image but it didnt work [21:36:46] [1/3] {{collapse}} [21:36:46] [2/3] file [21:36:46] [3/3] {{collapse}} [21:36:47] [21:36:47] i tried that [21:37:10] Someone else will be able to look @oceanwavez [21:37:17] are you able to review it? [21:37:19] I suggest opening a #support thread [21:37:29] No it's time for my to visit my bed [21:37:33] oh ok [21:37:40] You need the [Collaps Top](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Collapse_top) and [Collaps bottom](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Collapse_bottom) [21:37:40] well thank you everyone for helping me today [21:37:48] ok let me try [21:38:44] okie [21:39:08] Practical help [21:39:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_comply_with_the_NSFW_Content_Policy [21:43:04] im having troubles finding the site notice section [21:44:20] MediaWiki:Sitenotice [21:52:54] [1/2] Is this good? [21:52:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356385794624983172/image.png?ex=67ec6035&is=67eb0eb5&hm=aec7cab08adea594b7494e8885ed85811080ee86410800074a5a4b0e774e734d& [21:54:23] I think that this is appropriately formulated. Yes. [21:55:20] [1/2] Is there a way to have these types of notice boxes on miraheze articles [21:55:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356386410378166414/image.png?ex=67ec60c8&is=67eb0f48&hm=bf972853d149eeabde0690bcb6483772c728de4670ca1c6b1c78bf7fbf737333& [21:56:28] [1/2] it's a template [21:56:28] [2/2] many things are possible w/ templates [21:58:56] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Notice_templates [21:59:37] Template:Ambox is the one you need for articles [21:59:37] this is too complicated, wikipedia level [22:02:58] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Simple_Ambox [22:03:10] Alternatively [22:43:31] [1/2] I'm currently using a gallery, is there a way to make the caption text bigger? [22:43:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1356398536211824731/image.png?ex=67ec6c13&is=67eb1a93&hm=278456ec032163b61de61a9b5123c9f36d758828a6f773af0b62e3c8829eb82f& [22:44:47] [1/2] Either adapt the corresponding css [22:44:47] [2/2] Or just put the text between `/big`