[00:00:29] I’ve requeued this for importing [00:00:36] alright, thanks [00:01:30] how do i reopen a request [00:01:50] if it doesn't work i can try resubmitting the XML without history, it's not that big of a deal to preserve history since fandom wikis can't be deleted anyway [00:02:14] nvm got it [00:02:29] since they don't even allow linking before i think what, a month? [00:03:31] It’s okay. The history is actually needed for legal reasons but I don’t think that’s the issue. If it happens again then it has to be some critical flaw with our own software which we will have to investigate [00:05:04] tbh i forgot that you do actually need to preserve history [00:05:10] but hopefully it does work [00:07:29] If seems it’s working [00:10:57] weird [00:11:07] they do say they're being imported but going to the page/page history shows nothing [00:13:50] 57624 [00:14:04] oof alright thanks [01:27:17] Can you ask the AVID Community Discord to create a spin-off discord server for the Opening Sequences & Closings Archive (OSCA) Wiki? [01:35:05] does anybody know how to create a simple sidebox like [[w:Module:Shortcut]] [01:35:06]

[01:53:21] Entirely outside of Miraheze’s domain, advise you to join their discord and ask [03:41:24] Hi guys [03:41:43] i have a quick question [03:41:48] how do we make it when you hover over a citation [03:41:50] that you see the citation [03:41:54] or tap it on mobile [03:41:55] etc [03:42:17] [1/2] like this [03:42:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1359735211314774096/image.png?ex=67f88f99&is=67f73e19&hm=8ab6e7440bdf06092c911e506bfc598043217df1a7e3b82568492df35760d7bf& [03:57:14] Hm, I can’t remember at the moment the name of the extension, the footnotes are the [[mw:Help:Cite]], I don’t know if the popup is something else [03:57:15]

[05:10:54] For the cache issue that is around atm, is my wiki `lhmnwiki` on one of those that have legacy cache? [06:11:20] im divided between vector and citizen for a skin choice 💔 [06:11:46] frfr [06:15:43] is there a way to basically remove most of the color settings from citizen [06:22:36] The legacy caching infrastructure is only used for custom domains that haven't migrated to Cloudflare [06:22:54] miraheze.org wikis long moved to our newer infrastructure [06:58:43] yes, using css. for example this snippet removes the auto and midnight modes: https://github.com/Roblox-Indie-Wikis/snippets/blob/main/citizen%2Fdisable-extra-themes.css [07:21:38] if i want a custom bg image which skin is the best one ? [07:22:00] rn i have cosmos [07:28:11] it doesn't really matter since it's gonna be mostly covered by page content [07:28:48] w/ vector 2022, timeless (w/o modding) or cosmos you'll have it visible from both side of the screen [07:29:20] on more trad wiki look like old vector or monobook you'll have only left side [08:19:54] oh [08:20:11] idk how to set up bg for timeless [08:20:51] only cosmos offers easy way to set up background image, the rest require CSS poking [08:23:42] i figured [09:41:46] so like genuine question is there anything remotely close to a hardware ban here on miraheze [09:43:04] this guy that we banned on the fandom version of our wiki keeps coming back ceaselessly and it's starting to get annoying because he literally exists just to cause inconveniences for people by making crappy edits that make no sense [09:51:55] [1/3] this happening on Miraheze? [09:51:55] [2/3] then #cvt [09:51:55] [3/3] there are abuse filter and IP range ban solutions, for example [09:52:18] ty [09:52:24] ill make a report in the morning [09:54:27] he's socket puppeting, makes new accounts after getting a ban? [09:54:33] yes [11:10:08] I will take a glance [11:19:09] Heya. Just a quick question, are Google Drive links allowed on Miraheze? I'm making a wiki for my OC story, and the primary place I'm writing it (and therefore, where people read it) is on Google Docs. [11:20:02] Yeah no issue [11:20:16] I do wish there was a better place to write/read it, but Docs is my primary go-to because of the versatility it offers while being completely free. [11:20:35] coloring of text, formatting text in certain ways, and the like. [11:20:45] I’m not sure what the point of having a wiki is if you’re only using GDocs but we won’t stop ya :shrug: [11:21:09] Well, because my story is so expansive and versatile. [11:22:11] I've written quite a lot, and I feel it'd be nicer to have an "offical wiki" for multiple things in the story, rather than a single, huge document. [11:22:54] Though I guess it really just comes down to preference. [11:23:46] That plus the fact that editors can make edits to pages without the edits being reflected right then and there while they're typing. [11:23:47] hi [11:23:54] I want to create a yo kai watch wiki [11:24:03] they say it needs more information before a decision is made [11:24:10] again, probably just a preference thing more than anything else. [11:24:18] were they specific in what information was needed [11:25:28] [1/2] > The request for the "Gera Gera Wiki" is focused on the Yo-kai Watch franchise, which is a valid topic for a fandom wiki. However, the description lacks specific details about the intended content and structure of the wiki. Please provide more information on what specific aspects of Yo-kai Watch you plan to cover, such as character profiles, episode guides, or game walkthroughs. [11:25:28] [2/2] Additionally, clarify how this wiki will differ from existing resources and how it will address the issues of misinformation and incompleteness mentioned. Thank you for using Miraheze. [11:26:56] yeah, wiki sounds better for thag with multiple pages [11:27:59] Sounds to me you may need to be more verbose about the scope of the wiki. Eg. what parts of Yo-kai Watch are you going to focus on in the wiki? Is it speedruns, or maybe the anime? [11:28:13] basically what the ai wanted there was briefly about what it would actually do like document events, walkthroughs or whatever is relevant [11:28:28] perhaps a bit of what the franchise is [11:28:28] Mostly the story and general information [11:28:46] the description is all in on 'I like it but the current sources are bad' which is valid but limited [11:29:42] It may have been tripped up by that "general information" part. "General Information" can classify a multitude of things, so you may need to be less broad about what "general information" includes. [11:30:05] general information about the franchise [11:30:09] that wasn't specified in the request [11:30:19] (to war) [11:30:31] [1/2] this is the request [11:30:31] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/57699 [11:30:37] Mhm, but still, better safe rather than sorry. [11:31:42] part of the prompting of the queue comes down to also, can you give an overview; it would be a weak wiki page in any context that doesn't give a solid overview of what is being covered [11:32:16] Mhm. It would also help consolidate certain info into certain sections. Plus, ease of access to anyone without requiring a gmail account, as well. [11:32:32] not requiring a gmail is a mission I can get behind any day [11:32:52] Should I say general overview of the franchise? [11:33:42] would 'it will will describe gameplay, story and other general information about the franchise' be accurate? [11:34:17] utg.miraheze.org/discord (or any other miraheze wiki) leads to the miraheze discord [11:34:23] Consolidation of information and ease of access makes having a wiki much more accessible to every kind of person. Plus, in the future, if and when I could get official translators, it would make having multiple languages about any given subject much simpler. [11:34:32] Yeah I think so [11:34:42] by the way, what does 'gera gera' refer to [11:34:44] also information about specific yokai [11:34:51] gera gera po and gera gera resort [11:35:16] I do believe "Gera Gera" is a reference to some things in the anime, if I am correct. [11:35:24] ah [11:35:29] Particularly the OP(?) [11:35:50] Maybe other things too, but I personally haven't watched it. [11:36:02] I don't usually jump into queue like this because it's unfair to work it out of order, but I've gone ahead and approved [11:36:05] save everyone time [11:36:47] Exactly. Saves a lot of people huge amounts of time and effort. [11:37:06] less data for the abc data farm [11:37:26] Plus, instead of linking to a heavy, multi-page long google document, I can instead link to a dedicated wiki. [11:37:53] Exactly. [11:38:00] Less data to them, the better. [11:38:12] Down with the corpos, V. [11:38:28] there are alternative formats to google drive but they're more enthusiast and definitely dial back on the straight up convenience [11:38:33] the best I know is cryptpad [11:38:42] Duly noted. [11:39:19] on the other hand cryptpad takes pains to ensure what you create is actually your business and doesn't feed ai or get scraped in other ways, so [11:39:36] I have been wanting to find an alternative to host my story, but because of the types of formatting I have in multiple chapters, it's difficult to find one that has similar functionality. [11:40:20] cryptpad does a whole office suite [11:40:31] I originally wrote the whole thing on Wattpad before migrating over to docs, which was an upgrade in some sense... but even now I'm grasping for something more reliable. [11:40:32] I'd be surprised if it doesn't have a pretty close match in some menu or another [11:41:00] it's based on something else, I'll have to look up what it is [11:41:15] I'll have to check it out, then. Could be a good replacement to docs. [11:41:40] only issue is transferring all of what i have right now onto it... [11:41:41] oh yeah and it's open source & self hostable [11:42:13] lemme check how many words there are in the first two acts [11:42:51] [1/2] 65,205 in Act one. [11:42:51] [2/2] 45,183 in Act two. [11:43:24] and then already in Act three, which is still a work in progress, there are two chapters that are over 11k words. [11:43:26] EACH. [11:43:49] depending how many files you are, it might come down to how beefy your clipboard is & how much formatting correction is needed [11:43:54] there are* [11:44:15] Safe to say, it'd be a pain to transfer absolutely everything from my docs to there. [11:44:50] Each character has their own unique color they use for speaking.💔💔💔💔 [11:45:00] may still transplant [11:45:09] mhm. depends on how it works. [11:45:16] depending how easy it is to get up and go on cryptpad I might be able to test it in a bit [11:45:33] but if it doesnt... god im gonna be in for a long weekend. [11:45:35] eeeh, that would be a big detour [11:45:57] I'll test it later. Either that, or when I get home from school. [11:46:58] Depends on where cryptpad is. If its a web app, then I may be able to do it on my phone, but I'll probably want to wait till I get home. [11:47:09] [1/2] Is this good? [11:47:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1359857231583121590/image.png?ex=67f9013c&is=67f7afbc&hm=88f2a0c88e1b678bc7add7eb4f1c546fda060865bb375ef224a94951d9589165& [11:47:15] funny, nextcloud also does docs [11:47:35] no further steps needed, it is approved [11:47:45] however you're free to drop that in as a comment to supplement a little more [11:47:57] It's already approved? [11:48:02] Awesome! [11:48:10] yeah, I went ahead based on the conversation [11:48:26] Thank you so much [11:48:34] the second blurb has good bits that would be worth adding on for the record [11:49:07] . [11:49:45] might be on dev wiki [11:55:01] Alright, since every Wiki has to start somewhere, I'll try making pages about Nate, Katie, the Yo-kai Watch, Whisper, and Jibanyan [11:57:25] How do I make a new page? [11:58:39] using search or by typing in URL or by making a "create page" input box w/ one of 3 extensions [11:58:48] oh ok [11:58:52] nice [12:27:35] im defo gonna come here for coding support though. i already feel like im gonna fumble a lot... [12:27:47] secret weapon: chatpgt [12:27:55] no. [12:28:02] dont be ashamed to use it, you can learn alot [12:28:08] put dont be copying and pasting [12:28:13] thats shameful [12:28:17] im sorry but i outright refuse to use GPT [12:28:19] someone tried here, js or lua, i don't remember, it wasn't good lol [12:28:41] works ok for me, its really for the general idea and I go from there [12:28:58] he is more like a wiki for the functions [12:29:01] as an avid writer who is in the midst of writing her own ass story, as well as someone who wants to become a potential voice actor... no. [12:29:06] fair [12:29:07] not fucking happening. [12:29:14] yeah well, it won't help you w/ specific cases like for mediawiki [12:29:28] ill find out ig lol [12:29:45] still not approved, figured out im on the bottom of the 95 people list to be approved [12:29:49] im sorry but GPT is a fucking plague upon this earth. [12:29:54] (it was 97 2 days ago) [12:30:11] why do you say that [12:30:22] I get all the art stealing [12:30:30] they just mentioend they want to keep their job/hobby/talent [12:30:31] but not for other stuff [12:31:03] Im sorry but gpt is ass at story telling you're probally wayyyyy better [12:31:15] 100% [12:32:14] the one thing I DO hate about ai is how it autosorted me into the wait longer list for the domain approval [12:32:18] lets see here... Plagarism, its outright wrong on so many cases, blatantly spews misinformation, is a gateway to even more fucked up things, leads to people becoming astronomically lazy and dense, and it is worse than google more often than not. [12:32:43] yeah thats fair. But I dont use it to do that [12:32:52] I would never do that [12:32:53] GPT means fucking nothing to me and I wish only the worst upon its creators. [12:33:44] doesnt matter if you dont do that, many people still fucking do. [12:34:34] one good action doesnt outweigh the hundreds upon thousands of people [12:35:21] I, for one, prefer to keep my autonomy and human feelings. [12:39:12] using AI doesn't teach you anything. You don't learn anything from having AI spew out things that you want to see. The entire purpose of why art and writing is so enjoyable to make and get better at is because its difficult to get better at them. Difficulty creates a drive to do more, and get better. AI doesn't give you any of that [12:40:39] You're not learning anything by asking AI "oh yeah give me a code for this thing". You're just taking the answer of a programmed robot that is infamous for giving out false information. [12:41:08] ai tech one way or another is here to stay [12:41:23] what remains now is promoting, using, replacing big corpo slop with actually more ethical variations [12:41:41] gpt, gemini leading the charge [12:42:05] I haven't looked too much into llama but iirc that's developed by facebook and facebook is an equal/worse offender who had their fingers caught elbow deep in the jar [12:42:15] despite it being a self hostable solution [12:42:24] that doesnt mean we have to deal with it taking the things we created with our own two hands and melding it together to make something that vaguely resembles the input. [12:43:08] oh we're dealing with it even if that means things like putting gpt scrapers into black hole loops, attempts to corrupt the data they scrape, or wholesale blocking chunks of the internet for it [12:43:09] AI may be here to stay but that doesn't mean we have to use it. [12:43:30] I am entirely unopposed to using ethically built and locally processed models [12:43:40] I have a total aversion to anything outside those boundaries [12:43:54] that i can respect. [12:44:23] but i dont believe that there ever actually will be an "ethically built" model of AI. [12:44:26] a game forum I administer is at the point of cloudflare in permanent under attack mode + blocking brazil straight up because of scumbag scrapers [12:44:30] that, is a problem [12:44:50]