[00:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fungifungus> is it possible to rename groups
[01:03:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to rileytat123> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page is this one
[01:03:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents has loads of general help on most topics you'd want to know.
[01:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to fungifungus> direct rename, no.  The usual solution is to create a new group and assign it the rights you're looking for.
[01:18:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fungifungus> my empty wiki with almost no pages is more active than all fandom wikis combined
[01:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jmejuniper> [1/2] So to be clear, does this requirement refer to any wiki hosted (all wikis on miraheze) or any wikis specifically affiliated with wikitide?
[01:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jmejuniper> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362600023577202898/image.png?ex=6802fba9&is=6801aa29&hm=184a77f3ee0a74f2b8210e19bb867c98a47b57c102b70e6e5faa64d8a88e02bd&
[01:27:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> i think miraheze is a wikitide foundation project so it should include all wikis hosted on mh
[01:28:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> at least I can select any miraheze wiki I edited on in the poll dropdown
[01:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> WikiTide is the company, Miraheze is the service
[01:38:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> so the requirement refers to all Miraheze wikis
[01:38:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> there are no “wikitide” wikis
[01:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> im pretty sure i match the requirements but im unable to vote
[01:43:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] old enough
[01:43:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362604398278217809/image.png?ex=6802ffbc&is=6801ae3c&hm=13aec3cca516c931265d47110e6c327d4ea256f1fce066bfec52ff45c43cfeec&
[01:43:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] made enough edits
[01:43:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362604470030172201/image.png?ex=6802ffcd&is=6801ae4d&hm=0dea03b17bd221d49c6ecbbefe1ce85ba5a17232fc45e74fe80a32d9f8464204&
[01:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> and im not blocked
[01:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> @Board Elections Committee i meet the requirements but i cant vote
[01:47:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_globe12> Myself as well ^
[01:47:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_globe12> I am not able to vote
[01:51:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_globe12> @kiju1108
[01:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> @the_globe12 @dgox2 There might be an issue with the voting eligibility settings
[01:59:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> but unfortunately, it can't be resolved through the SecurePoll web interface, it requires SSH access
[02:00:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> I’ll escalate this to the tech team for further investigation. Sorry for the trouble
[02:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> alr
[02:06:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> SecurePoll isn't a very good system
[02:19:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> huh, why does secure poll ask me for my most active wiki?
[02:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> no idea
[02:30:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> it didn't ask last year
[02:31:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> lol
[03:49:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> how do you even invoke mboxes i got confused by the lua stuff
[04:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> don't use lua
[04:17:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cyberchief8400> morning all
[04:18:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cyberchief8400> well, it's morning here in Serbia
[04:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> morning indeed
[04:20:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cyberchief8400> @theoneandonlylegroom Where are you from?
[04:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> dont...use...lua..EXPLAIN THE INSTRUCTIONS IN DETAIL!
[04:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [1/2] templates can be done in simpler fashion w/o lua
[04:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [2/2] anyway, you tried to take from wikipedia miraheze dev wiki?
[04:22:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> hmmm wikipedia
[04:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cyberchief8400> I hate Wikipedia now
[04:23:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> didn't you see a warning on import about wikipedia?
[04:23:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> wwait
[04:23:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> im feeling confsued
[04:23:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> lemme see miraheze dev wiki
[04:23:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [[dev:Template:Mbox]]
[04:23:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Mbox>
[04:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yay
[04:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> im going away now
[04:24:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> like how does invoking work
[04:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> invoking is a command to use lua modules
[04:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> NO FUCKING WAY.
[04:26:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> lua..is in the web?
[04:26:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there are lages w/ Template: prefix, and then there Module: pages
[04:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> did you raw copy pasted a template page w/o module page?
[04:27:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> oh
[04:27:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> that
[04:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] we strongly suggest to import templates, this way all depends can carry on
[04:28:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] + import can be done directly from Dev Wiki w/o xml file
[04:28:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> section about import here goes for any templates [[infoboxes]]
[04:29:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[04:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [1/2] imported and uhh...
[04:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362646185101361232/image.png?ex=680326a7&is=6801d527&hm=fb73b0cb0a4c1319dee4c9370df68ebc5b2d8dd351083b26d6e4123990e95f61&
[04:29:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> did you ticked the "include templates" box
[04:30:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> again, you need to get all dependencies
[04:30:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> do i have to select all of them
[04:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] like this
[04:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362646742381756517/IMG_20250418_073127.jpg?ex=6803272c&is=6801d5ac&hm=6ad3410de0b266321d64d2b3474ac20c10bd70bf0c1eb3d10f9084f1654102cc&
[04:31:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> on Special:Import page
[04:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I suggest to delete pages you did previously
[04:32:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> like the original mbox page
[04:32:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the one give error
[04:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you see, templates can be simple or really complicated
[04:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Wikipedia is huge, there are loads of stuff, so they need complicated templates
[04:33:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [1/2] this?
[04:33:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362647137950761092/image.png?ex=6803278a&is=6801d60a&hm=2c273068d3a14d09a9ed798ccc3409a15b9762ea36484f8a69d4e71f2d1c05a4&
[04:33:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> other wikis in majority of cases don't need that
[04:33:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [1/2] yes
[04:33:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [2/2] then try import, how on screenshot
[04:34:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> WAIT IT WORKED
[04:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I suggest to learn template coding basics
[04:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> yea, you just been missing dependencies
[04:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> so its lua
[04:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> no
[04:35:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> OOOOHHH
[04:36:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> lua is a whole programming language on its own, it can enhance wiki templates greatly, sure, but it's still too much, it's vital for wikipedia mostly, some simpler Lua things can be found on Fandom even
[04:38:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/4] here's basic wiki template coding [[mw:Help:Templates]]
[04:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/4] here are examples of stub templates on wikis I admin, no Lua
[04:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/4] <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Stub>
[04:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/4] <https://gogigantic.wiki/Template:Stub>
[04:38:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>
[04:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Template:MBox expects Module:Messagebox to exist on your wiki, is what that screenshots means
[04:38:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [1/2] oh JESUS
[04:38:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362648398724989098/image.png?ex=680328b7&is=6801d737&hm=e57164e871fd4830fbd0fa005916261b437882b068335014411858b7a8a99a32&
[04:39:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/3] Modules are bits of wild wiggly lua script that add new functionality to a wiki
[04:39:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/3] Templates invoke those modules to make a nicer front-end for people to use that functionality
[04:39:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [3/3] You call templates in articles to do the thing with the new functionality without having to write it from scratch each time
[04:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [1/2] now this is lua
[04:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to brycebits> [2/2] but again, this can be avoided
[04:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> thats cool
[04:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> but how does one style a mbox without using lua
[04:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> I voted 😎
[04:40:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> i love democracy 🔥
[04:40:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> @brycebits
[04:40:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> ok i get it...
[04:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> amd another message above
[04:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> styling, look, is CSS
[04:40:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> inline or separate
[04:40:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to kingplaystation> Gotta get it while it's hot and still available. 🙃
[04:42:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> so to modify a mbox with css...
[04:44:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation, replying to notaracham> quite deep words you said 🥶
[04:44:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kingplaystation> if you think
[05:04:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie> I assume that the devmiraheze infobox template for former countries is broken
[05:04:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> we accidentally didn't register an X amount of users to vote lol
[06:23:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Hi, we're using EmbedVideo on our wiki, and we noticed that, while most of the video embeds work, Miraheze apparently doesn't allow bilibili embeds. Is this intentional, or can bilibili be added to the CSP whitelist?
[06:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> probably the latter
[06:24:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i haven't seen bilibili embeds before
[06:24:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you'll have to make phorge task
[06:25:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> All right, I'll do that, thanks!
[06:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> your wiki is looking real great, keep the good work
[06:31:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> thanks
[06:31:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> are you like, the only user working in it?
[06:31:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> yeah
[06:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> oh wow
[06:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] btw i don't think this is meant to happen
[06:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362677167061733527/image.png?ex=68034381&is=6801f201&hm=72d7abe5bd441588d9e50550f67922e07a93d9b2c8cca6583952f8e7d05afcea&
[06:32:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [1/2] also i kinda need help obscuring the main pages title from the url and the mainpage would just be called seomthing like freddyfreaker.miraheze.org/
[06:32:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362677169926701097/image.png?ex=68034382&is=6801f202&hm=22cc4230b0a347ea8fc6bfc94c9fc702987d0d52f6231a62345cfbbbc26ccddd&
[06:32:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits, replying to bartomelow> oh my badd
[06:33:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> freddyfreakre?!?! scary
[06:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> the misspelling in the wiki link pisses me off
[06:33:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> tower heros
[06:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits, replying to bartomelow> the mispelling is intentional
[06:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> didn't there use to be other users working in it
[06:34:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> yup
[06:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to brycebits> oh no
[06:34:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> it shatters my heart
[06:34:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits, replying to brycebits> thats because there used to be another th wiki that took that name
[06:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to brycebits> you can ask in [[SR/RC]] to enable the "make the main page use the domain root" option
[06:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/RC>
[06:35:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> you can like
[06:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> ask to change the url
[06:35:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> as that wiki no longer exists
[06:35:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> (please)
[06:35:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to brycebits> where are they
[06:35:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> did you changed the scope of the wiki w/o steward review?
[06:36:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or made the it more or less broad?
[06:37:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> not yet
[06:37:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> im working on it
[06:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brycebits> ok done
[07:27:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_mrbob> [1/2] Was doing some grammar stuff in VE (since my grammar checker hates all the apostrophes and brackets of SE lmao) and I noticed this weird discrepancy where when I try to insert a redirect page link through VE, it doesn't put that page name but the full-on redirect itself. On the top (in the searchbar) you can see that the page exists and has a normal name. How odd.
[07:27:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_mrbob> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362690886164680784/Screenshot_2025-04-18_002337.png?ex=68035048&is=6801fec8&hm=aef36268487107a41f575f35e3815b0ee5266f31ae07b59719afdda370f0c60c&
[07:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_mrbob> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362691240692285571/image.png?ex=6803509d&is=6801ff1d&hm=cae7211777c3c6f9c839218a724874d75b38c16a3c91d1932f2ce67d6ad7545b&
[07:28:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_mrbob> I don't use VE much but I'd assume this isn't intentional.
[09:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> [1/2] anyone have any idea why my wiki doesn't show the correct icon?
[09:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362717150829350942/image.png?ex=680368be&is=6802173e&hm=438a4f5fa64bfe103d9dc665b9c3c6da9d8d08d7b1d81a80ba919bb11a2235a4&
[09:11:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> scratching my head over this one ngl
[09:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362717217342357646/image.png?ex=680368ce&is=6802174e&hm=2cabe5de8d67554e3da7ad7220379b9d2454b902e13ed708fba218c6f536bcbe&
[09:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> it shows up just fine on the tab but not in the history and favorites tab for some reason
[09:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> browser thing, most likely
[09:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> try to readd it?
[09:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> maybe cache?
[09:12:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> damn </3
[09:12:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> try making a new profile and see
[09:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken, replying to blankeclair> nah it has been like that since I created it
[09:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> clean up browser cache first
[09:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crowwastaken> i'll try
[10:19:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <adeleine64ds> is there an easy way to view which of my images have licenses and which don't? once I get the building blocks down I want to just double check
[10:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> usually license templates add images into corresponding categories, so if no other categories for files are used, you could check Special:UncategorizedFiles
[10:36:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ireallyloveamen> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362738430844604538/yes.mp4?ex=68037c90&is=68022b10&hm=8a21eed02536c3c47488d90a5c7fef580cf80a5a2e82927ac8ebdddcdb371b40&
[10:42:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to ireallyloveamen> @Discord Moderators
[10:42:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> what
[10:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What the fuck
[10:43:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> @SP BOT#4082
[10:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> what the heck
[10:43:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Hm, is this a User app?
[10:43:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> User app I suspect
[10:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It’s all replying to something
[10:43:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> aĥ
[10:45:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> wtf
[10:45:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> um....
[10:47:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> @Discord Moderators help!
[10:47:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> how do I stop this!
[10:47:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> slow mode isn't even stopping it
[10:47:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I have temporarily disabled the ability to send messages here
[10:52:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I’ll fix it
[10:52:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Okay I have disabled the ability for usage of external apps
[10:52:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Give me a sec
[10:52:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Long live the wiki military state
[10:52:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> We can enable sending messages again.
[10:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> All dissidents have now been crushed
[10:53:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> And it's back. Can people send messages here?
[10:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Yes I can
[10:54:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> _waves_
[10:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Great
[10:55:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Wait what
[10:55:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Sorry all. Had to take that emergency measure as I couldn't figure out how to immediately stop it and needed it to stop getting worse for a moment while we dealt with it. It's also 5AM for me.
[10:55:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> How could they register an app without having privileges
[10:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to awing_ding> Discord permissions suck
[10:56:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Discord made a change a few months back allowing people to use external apps from anywhere, which opened up an attack vector thats hard to close
[10:56:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Use external apps has been permanently disabled for everyone. To use them in the future you must be a verified wiki user.
[10:56:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362743634629365841/voice-message.ogg?ex=68038169&is=68022fe9&hm=c6499fdce353870b750d54558e2a74cb4362952649db4096c298c11d1c229a21&
[10:57:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding, replying to zppix> Wait what how did I skip this
[10:57:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Okay interesting
[10:57:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> I'll look into that where I need to
[10:59:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to cosmicalpha> No worries, really appreciate you stepping in and handling it, especially at 5am
[11:11:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> wow... thank you guys🙏😭
[11:12:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to cosmicalpha> You should keep them disabled even for verified users
[11:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> i agree honestly
[11:13:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I guess some users like to use them for legitimate users but we could restrict it further.
[11:13:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> There aren’t really any legitimate uses of the feature from my experience
[11:14:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I'll leave it up to the rest of the mod team. The actions taken was more of an emergency for now. The team can decide later on what to do but it's 5:15AM and I havent even slept yet so I'm gonna go and may revisit when I wake up in 2 hours.
[11:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> [1/2] alright
[11:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> [2/2] gn!
[11:19:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to SP BOT#4082> funny app
[11:19:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> lmao did the server get 'raided'
[11:21:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> delete the messages, they link to a discord server
[11:21:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> seems sus
[11:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Yeah the discord seems to be affiliated with fascist groups
[11:23:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to awing_ding> what the fuck
[11:24:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> [1/2] Can't read the russian text above, but the banner and the Celtic cross (which is a symbol of far right extremism) let me think so
[11:24:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362750579939610675/Screenshot_2025-04-18-13-23-37-140_com.discord.jpg?ex=680387e0&is=68023660&hm=b02d490eff98df04615d29b7016d580c1084f3ccad1fa94b87ead25bbe690723&
[11:27:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> [1/2] Yeah definitely not a group of nice guys
[11:27:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362751295739396216/Screenshot_2025-04-18-13-26-39-374_com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox.jpg?ex=6803888b&is=6802370b&hm=d5f1444c4f7db8d056ce02579db4f2340c25eabcaca7e7e532f82d6b047ae1c5&
[11:27:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> leave the server
[11:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [skunked](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1215318818533019648.webp?size=48&name=skunked)
[11:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> unsafe as hell
[11:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> hi aracham !
[11:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Not a fan of theirs, no. Big yikes.
[11:36:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> yeah 😭
[11:39:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to mooncloud> Disagree
[11:39:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to awing_ding> Yeah, report to Discord on the way out maybe?
[11:40:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> eeeeh what are vital ones here anyway? archive and dyno, both only for mods
[11:40:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to pixldev> Nothing of value is really lost
[11:40:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> External commands doesn’t affect the bots in the server
[11:40:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[11:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> It just makes it so people can’t practically add their own bots to the server to run commands
[11:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> And there’s no real reason for anyone to need to do that in the miraheze server of all places
[11:41:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> Imo
[11:41:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding, replying to pixldev> Should have
[11:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Too late
[11:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to pixldev> I did :3
[11:41:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> nice
[11:43:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Dear god
[11:45:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bigbee420> WH
[11:45:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to awing_ding> [1/2] > antifurry
[11:45:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to awing_ding> [2/2] we run the internet you know xD
[11:46:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> clock their tea claire
[11:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> tea?
[11:49:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i- i mean, their tea certainly is trans /silly
[11:50:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding, replying to blankeclair> I'm definitely not agreeing with them xD
[11:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> yeah, i was referring to the contents of their server xD
[11:51:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> not you :3
[11:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> hello
[11:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yo
[11:55:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> what an interesting username choice
[11:55:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> With a new account
[11:55:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> hehe
[11:55:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> there was a problem with my old acc soooo
[11:55:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> for now this is my main
[11:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to awing_ding> Can you DM me the server ID or a link, I wanna forward this onto Discord Staff
[12:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> can't you check audit logs?
[12:00:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> It wasnt sent here as far as I am aware?
[12:00:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I can double check
[12:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah
[12:01:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I have connections with Discord staff so i can get that server shut down alot quicker
[12:01:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding, replying to zppix> I already left :/
[12:01:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> No big deal thats fine
[12:01:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> It was in the bio of the vot
[12:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> If you can find it this way
[12:02:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <the_globe12, replying to kiju1108> Thank you.
[12:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to awing_ding> I’ll look into it later
[12:03:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to 2fa_auth> Hi
[12:05:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @2fa_auth what's the issue with your account?
[12:06:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to rhinosf1> [1/2] well 2fa xD
[12:06:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to rhinosf1> [2/2] i lost my email
[12:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Lost your email?
[12:06:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> where did you last see it
[12:07:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to rhinosf1> cant log into the authenticator app by i mean
[12:07:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> you know it's bad when two-factor authentication joins the chat
[12:07:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to 2fa_auth> Ah
[12:08:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> that is why i set my new acc with a ironic name 😎
[12:08:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I strongly advise keeping them things called backup codes
[12:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> uhh yea man
[12:09:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> i might recover it soon but idk cant be sure
[12:10:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I kinda assume you're referring to discord account but we basically don't unlock miraheze accounts
[12:10:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth> ill verify rq
[12:10:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to rhinosf1> exactly
[12:46:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> I'm new to Miraheze, does anyone have any pages that I should read first?
[12:49:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [[FAQ]] and [[Global policies]] i suppose x3
[12:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FAQ>
[12:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Global_policies>
[12:50:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> my adhd ass enjoyed reading the global policies lol
[12:52:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> XD
[12:52:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> I know some wikitext because I have experience with Fandom
[12:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> that's definitely very handy :3
[12:53:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> how much experience? i can send some wikitext resources if you need
[12:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to blankeclair> I don't specifically need help with wikitext, I'm fine with it
[12:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ah oki, neat ^_^
[12:54:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> just figuring out miraheze in general
[12:54:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to blankeclair> :D
[12:56:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> [1/2] Having a problem on a wiki (wiki.s0urce.io) where non-mods don't seem to be able to edit any pages . When they click the edit button it just says "This page is protected to prevent vandalism". I can't seem to find anything about this, any ideas what setting I'm looking for?
[12:56:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362773766563692728/ScreenRecording_02-18-2025_14-21-49_1.mov?ex=68039d79&is=68024bf9&hm=18278d069062214403090daa92d28dce068e17c5adcb68815c7c28589299bd52&
[12:57:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to nandertga> An admin protected the page so that specific user groups cannot edit it I believe
[12:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> The vandalism thing is merely the reason they entered
[12:58:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to caeluswaelus> miraheze offers more feature via admin settings and installed extensions (which means you can just turn them on/off, skip installation instructions in mediawiki.org documentations)
[12:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nandertga> yeah, sounds like single page protection
[12:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> That's so cool! When I tried closing discussions on Fandom I got questioned by support lmao
[13:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] wdym questioned lol
[13:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] you strated fork discussion?
[13:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] the user said they couldn't edit anything, not even user pages. Looking into the protection settings of the page shown in the video it doesn't seem like it's protected unless I'm looking over something
[13:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362775120896065796/image.png?ex=68039ebb&is=68024d3b&hm=888e36fd946fe3a4fb70eef02104a40bbc3104d9daa551c01152bdc78da7507b&
[13:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus> XD no
[13:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I asked to turn off discussions, and they said they wouldn't unless I had a valid reason. so I had to explain why I wanted it off. Bit of an exaggeration on my part lol
[13:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nandertga> is it a subpage or is transluceded on some other page? could be cascase protection
[13:03:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to caeluswaelus> ah i see
[13:03:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> fandom discussions are dumpster fire
[13:05:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> just a normal page. This cascade protection sounds interesting though, I'll google that
[13:05:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <caeluswaelus, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Alot of the users dont understand that the main focus of a wiki isn't the discussions
[13:06:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nandertga> it mean that when you protect one page that protection will be applied to related to it pages, like templates used
[13:08:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> iirc the user couldn't edit their own user page, could this be some permission issue?
[13:08:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hm
[13:08:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> wait a minute, the main page links to most if not all pages on the wiki
[13:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> no wait
[13:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> nvm the main page doesn't seem protected either
[13:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it would be easier to link problem page here, bit I'm on mobile rn
[13:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> someone else might check
[13:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> to send links you need to #verify
[13:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> I'm a moderator on said wiki and mods can edit just fine, so I don't have any experience with the issue myself but iirc non-mods couldn't edit anything
[13:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> oh I'll verify then
[13:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> that explains why I couldn't post links earlier
[13:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] if you modified n
[13:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] User group permission might be something in there
[13:12:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> the page shown in the video is https://wiki.s0urce.io/wiki/Items
[13:13:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> users, (everyone) have the edit permission
[13:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> [1/2] and the person who recorded that video has the confirmed user group
[13:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362778494995534126/image.png?ex=6803a1e0&is=68025060&hm=547e6d9b20473c8baea1c467b8531ad24acebbe79acfec80aba7eafa5ac49a65&
[13:20:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to nandertga> It appears you are requiring users to have a confirmed email address to edit
[13:25:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> so that could be it?
[13:25:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> okay let me find someone to test this rq
[13:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> thanks a lot
[13:27:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> okay someone confirmed they can edit after they verified their email
[13:31:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> okay so is there a way to show a sitewide message to people who do not have a verified email?
[13:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> To them specifically, not really
[13:34:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> The issue is on desktop when you go to try to edit the page it will tell you you need to confirm your email, for some reason on Mobile it just defaults to saying vandalism
[13:42:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> well on desktop people just don't see an edit button
[13:42:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> You could probably just do something on your main page, just a small message stating users who wish to contribute need to verify their email
[13:43:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to nandertga> Click view source, thats how i figured it out (when I viewed the page while not logged into my account)
[13:44:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Alternatively, if you really do not want to require users to verify their email you can disable that, I tried to figure out what is causing that, but I can’t recall where that is set
[13:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> I found the option yeah but not sure if we should turn that off. Was thinking of some sitewide js which chatgpt claims is possible
[13:46:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> huh?
[13:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Unless you anticipate your community having troublesome users in a unmanageable quantity, its likely not we have global protections in place to prevent a majority of bot spam
[13:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> You can also use page protection on major pages as well
[13:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to zppix> that's in special:managewiki/settings
[13:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to blankeclair> Thats literally the only managewiki page I didnt check lol
[13:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> Email Confirm To Edit ($wgEmailConfirmToEdit)
[13:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> well another admin turned the option on a while ago when some random troll vandalised the main page
[13:49:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to nandertga> Yeah MediaWiki is too niche, for ChatGGPT and the like to know it well enough
[13:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> but he also enabled the moderation extension so guess it wouldn't hurt to turn off
[13:49:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to nandertga> Yeah for the main page I recommend setting page protection to administrators
[13:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to gummiel> More so ChatGPT is assuming base MediaWiki installation and not a complex installation like Miraheze
[13:54:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga, replying to zppix> edits have to be approved anyway so I think it wouldn't hurt to not protect the page since there's a link of pages on the wiki at the bottom
[13:55:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nandertga> thanks a lot for all the help and advice!
[13:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rosenbriar> hiya, how do i see a list of all pages in a wiki?
[13:56:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> Special:AllPages
[13:56:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rosenbriar> ty
[14:07:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justarandomamerican> @notaracham You are technically the local bureaucrat for google.miraheze.org, so I'd figure I'd ask you directly (after posting on SR/P), mind if I have admin and crat?
[14:18:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie> How do i limit editing to confirmed users only
[14:18:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie> Or at least non -bots
[14:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> remove the `edit` right from the * and user groups
[14:23:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> for confirmed is enough to add verified email?
[15:23:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> how can i request to rename my wiki
[15:26:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> hey has anyone experienced a small uptick in spam bots lately?
[15:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to kuurubizu81> [1/2] visible title of the wiki can be done in core admin settings
[15:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to kuurubizu81> [2/2] if you want to change url (w/o scope change) then via [[phorge]]
[15:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[15:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to ruby.raven> yeaaah, they just create accounts and do nothing
[15:37:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> mmm
[15:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> well some of mine are making phishing links on their userpages lol
[15:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to ruby.raven> #cvt
[15:39:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Is Dark Mode/Light Mode baked into Miraheze? I tried disabling the extension but it's still effecting us.
[15:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to amelialoveheart> cache, wait or force purge it
[15:40:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> It's been a few days though which is why I'm confused.
[15:57:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to amelialoveheart> which skin are you using?
[15:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> iirc vector 2022 and citizen have native dark mode
[15:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although idk how they work
[16:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> is there a max length for infoboxes?
[16:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to _zombi_> no
[16:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> but a very long infobox will be annoying for readers
[16:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> but there's no technical limitation, no.
[16:39:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> ok thanks
[16:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> How do we know if our wiki is "hosted by a WikiTide Foundation project", I'm trying to figure out if I can vote
[16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Is that just "approved on Miraheze" or is it more specific?
[16:50:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> If its a Miraheze wiki yes
[16:51:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> The WikiTide Foundation is the legal operator of the Miraheze project
[16:51:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Awesome, I was hoping that's what it meant
[16:52:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> That’s some garbage resolution
[16:52:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Yay I can vote
[16:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> GOD BLESS DEMOCRACY
[16:53:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I should cast my own ballot actually
[16:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You’d think I have an easy choice considering I was the second or the nominator for both candidates
[16:54:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> "now that I've nominated you, should I vote for you" lol
[16:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> "in a multi-pick voting system"
[16:55:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Pft
[16:55:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Don’t read too much into that, I know what my vote is
[16:55:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If I didn’t think a candidate was worth considering, I’d let the nomination die :p
[16:55:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> I'm not, I'm joking, I hope the joke isn't mean
[16:56:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Certainly not take my time during my vacation to write something
[16:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> Yeah no worries haha
[16:56:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I also just don’t want to be misunderstood
[16:57:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> I've had that problem for real though. I nominated a bunch of people I thought were capable of replacing me (former worker-co-op pres) and then let the community vote, but it was ranked choice and I had a whole "now what order do I put these in oh no" when voting lolol
[16:58:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Voting systems are fun
[16:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> As someone who knows Agent and raidarr rather well comparatively afyer working with them near daily for months, I think both would be great voices of input
[16:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I haven’t voted yet lol
[16:59:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> speak of the penguin
[16:59:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wait
[16:59:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> neither the nominator nor the nominees have voted
[16:59:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> no your kirby
[16:59:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> not penguin anymore
[16:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Kirby is my main
[16:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You’ll always be club penguin in ny heary 💔
[16:59:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (Agent’s pfp this time last year was club penguin)
[17:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Excellent
[17:00:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> Sad I didn’t get to grill agent more on questions lmao
[17:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I mean i still cooooooould
[17:01:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But these have been my last days of vacation abroad so
[17:01:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @agentisai sorry I didn’t get to expose your evil past /joking
[17:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> with almost a decade on Miraheze, I’m bound to have some skeletons
[17:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> actually, exposing my Orain past would be much more embarrassing
[17:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I overthrew the administration of ircwiki and almost won Global Sysop before being humiliated
[17:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Truthfully I really did want to use the questions to explain what happened in April to the community I just really wasn’t able to given time :/ I do honestly believe we’ve done a poor job since a lot of the post event clarification and communication happened mainly in closed channels to people in roles, and I kinda wanted to have it more explained to the general community
[17:04:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> what the fuck is ircwiki
[17:04:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> The April incident I would not expound further on for respect of certain people as there are deeper problems that mainly led to those incidents other than the rebrand
[17:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> That is valid
[17:07:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Voting is still broken lmao.
[17:13:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aeywoo> que
[17:16:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> [1/2] I came back to say I respect the accountability, and would really want to know about April- but only to understand the community I'm entering. I believe in restorative justice, and whatever happened before. I'll believe you if you say those problems are in the past, unless I see evidence otherwise. Clearly at least some people here who thought it was problematic still trust 
[17:16:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> [2/2] you enough to want your voice in leadership. And I respect that.
[17:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> It's okay to screw up, and own it, and truly do better. It has to be, we're messy humans.
[17:19:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to pixldev> Some people (like me) are getting a database error when trying to vote
[17:19:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1006789349498699827/1362601708651544847
[17:20:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> Thanks, I appreciate it
[17:23:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> I can provide my accounts of events [with respect to some things and people], since Agent was largely on the “opposite side of the table” back then he can also provide a tl;dr if he wants?
[17:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Yeah, if/when people are comfortable talking about it, it doesn't have to be right now. But transparency is healthy, and I would like to hear as many perspectives as there are
[17:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> Again no pressure though, that's not a demand
[17:25:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I only became a wiki creator(my first elected role, and first role I got that really needs access to the private comm channels for discussion) like, a year and two days ago
[17:26:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm just here to try and fix stuff with Miraheze and solve Phorge tickets.
[17:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> And to accidentally break prod.
[17:27:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aeywoo> Thank you Aeywoo :heart_bee:
[17:27:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aeywoo> YAHOO
[17:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to pixldev> Now give me global staff and we'll be good.
[17:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Nuh uh
[17:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Otherwise I will shoot you outta Cannon.
[17:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you either go the DEMOCRACTIC route, or you suck up to Cosmic
[17:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> @cosmicalpha I'm just asking before I go to bed, but what else do I need to do to make my case for further access more compelling?
[17:29:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Bleh, who wants to fix the chart labels on [[Miraheze history#Timelines of key position volunteers]]
[17:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_history#Timelines_of_key_position_volunteers>
[17:29:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to pixldev> You.
[17:29:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Goodnight!
[17:29:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> lemme get the history page description and adapt it
[17:29:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aeywoo> logged out
[17:29:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yubikey is on the other side of the room
[17:30:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to pixldev> Stinky pressure wiki man.
[17:31:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Excuse me, I got involved with Roblox Wikis because of PHIGHTING!
[17:31:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Lame, L.
[17:32:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma> [1/2] Does anyone know how i can fix this issue with infoboxes on mobile view
[17:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362843221834862964/IMG_2577.png?ex=6803de28&is=68028ca8&hm=265f4790247f629ad6db926c71b5d951a0a2efd0df24fca8f1f7b0fae3da200c&
[17:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aeywoo> Don’t let Wiki Warden hear you
[17:33:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> alright, this may take a bit to type out
[17:33:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> the voting doesnt appear to be fixed
[17:33:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> cos i cant vote still
[17:33:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Anyways goodnight, DOORS rules, Pressure Drools.
[17:33:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to dgox2> Yeah, they're aware.
[17:34:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> rigged
[17:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Side note, I think [[Miraheze history]] could be written a bit more NPOV
[17:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_history>
[17:34:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> /j
[17:34:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to dgox2> SecurePoll just sucks ass man
[17:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> does polling really have to be done on-wiki
[17:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> i think too many services and things are done with mediawiki than there should be
[17:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fightthedystopia> I have to run for a bit, so if I don't respond right away, that's why- it's not related to the "this will take a while to type" content
[17:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> We fixed a subset of the voting issues but some newer users are still temporarily barred
[18:02:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [1/12] So, back in June 2023, shit happened that led to a lot of the community leaving Miraheze and going off to form the WikiTide project. (If you want info on this, I can give.) They formed the WikiTide Foundation, and eventually, as Miraheze was trudging along with not enough money and decaying hardware thing were getting really bad by around the turn of 23/
[18:02:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [2/12] 24. Since current courses was unsustainable, there was an RFC. Continue as is, move to the US based Miraheze Foundation(at this point and for all mh history prior we were run by the UK based Miraheze Limited), or gracefully shutdown with backups given. A fourth option was added, literally because Labster made a joke on the WikiTide discord and Agent took
[18:02:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [3/12]  it literally, to remerge with WikiTide. The community overwhelmingly voted for that one, so the WikiTide project wikis and community was folded back into the Miraheze brand, and all resources and operations were moved to the WikiTide Foundation in Idaho. As a bonus, WTF had the ability to be a lot more liberal in shopping for data centers, so they got a
[18:02:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [4/12]  good deal. Great considering the UK energy crisis and our hardware literally failing during the migration, fucking our plans of a no downtime merge. https://blog.miraheze.org has info on that. So anyways part of the RFC was keeping the Miraheze brand, which we did('asked on the reorganization Request for Comments and was answered with "a rebrand is not 
[18:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [5/12] planned for the foreseeable future" but it was not ruled out. Notwithstanding this, the rebrand was rejected by the majority of the Miraheze Community'). Then some time passes, and I notice on the new board minutes the approval of a rebrand. This raises discussion and concerns and whatnot. There was a Request for Feedback, made it pretty clear people did
[18:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [6/12] n’t want change but it was never intended to be binding for the Board. I think Labster even said he partly did it to see if anyone would bring up some of the main reasons against rebranding he was thinking of besides it being different. and a few days later at the MediaWiki Users and Developers conference, Labster, chairman of the Board of Directors, ann
[18:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [7/12] ounced it was rebranding to WikiTide. There was no community consensus in favor. So everyone is pissed as hell, fire stars, things get heated, Agent in particular as President and voice of this got a lot of flame. There was an RFC from the community to make its voice heard, also not binding. So eventually the Board lays off indefinitely, and by the end, 
[18:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [8/12] Agent has resigned from Steward, Board, Deputy Director of Tech + Infrastructure Team, and everything else and GDPR vanished his account and deleted his Discord. He would be more equipped to explain his side of this. This admittedly did cause quite a headache for us since he was DDTech, and we didn’t have great protocols for key holding. We got the keys 
[18:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [9/12] and access back but it was a rough week. This was exaclty during last Community Directors election too, so he was removed from that. 
[18:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [10/12] The WikiTide Board did have good intentions, they desired to get away from Miraheze's old image of being an unstable passion project, since admittedly our name really had a lot of baggage and not great rep, especially around Wikimedia. This has gotten better though! At the end, everyone is hurt and annoyed, Agent is gone, Reception and NA win the two two
[18:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [11/12]  year terms on the Board(they were already on it, this was putting some of  the existing directors into the CD system by bylaws). Agent would come back later, rebuild trust with the community, become Wiki Creator again, rejoin the Tech Team as infrastructure, then Request for Stewardship. Soooooooo yeah thats last April, I guess. More context: https://me
[18:02:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fightthedystopia> [12/12] ta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze%27s_name_and_branding, https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal/Archive_43#Request_for_Feedback_-_Rename_Miraheze_to_WikiTide
[18:03:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Wooooooooo bou
[18:03:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> @agentisai did i get it bout right you say?
[18:04:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> "WTF" hehe
[18:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> that’s just about what is public, yes
[18:06:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> though as a note, very few credentials had to be recovered, among them FS access
[18:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> and that was only done because the gun was jumped prematurely
[18:07:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> This is why we ask for second opinions!
[18:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to agentisai> okay time for the fun stuff, the WIKITIDE LEAKS!!!!
[18:16:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> oh yea, lead to a lot of discord elections, including mine
[18:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1232699919081406584
[18:30:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to pixldev> Leaks you say
[19:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to dgox2> It was decided on in RFC, but securepoll is pain so may look into other options at some point ngl
[19:31:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> just found out the acronym for WikiTide Foundation is WTF... dont know if I will recover from this
[19:31:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> :steamhappy:
[19:31:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer.> Thank you Miraheze community. You’ve gotten me through my beginning of wikis, and I couldn’t be more grateful. I’m now a Wikipedia editor working on my first page.
[19:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> reminds me of the first email I got from my former boss who'd sign with WTh...
[19:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> the important thing is SecurePoll is designed for seperation of concerns, so the key to decode the results never gets near the votes until its over
[19:32:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .spacedancer.> Ha, a fellow Mirahezian turned Wikimedian?
[19:33:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer.> Yup
[19:33:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer.> Well I’m kinda a lot of -edians
[19:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hell yeah 🤝
[19:33:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .spacedancer.> Relatable haha
[19:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer.> I have wikis on Miraheze and Fandom and I edit others’ Miraheze wikis and Wikipedia
[19:34:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I came from FANDOM to Miraheze to Wikimedia on a few ships, and am still in all
[19:34:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Functionary on Miraheze, content mod on my first [fandom and all] wiki, member of Wikimedia New York City
[19:35:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hell, I’m wearing my https://wikinyc.org hat right now
[19:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .spacedancer.> But awesome mate, I still never got around to making an article haha, I’m not super active in editing on en honestly. I do wanna work on revamping a certain article or two, but DYK noms are fun. May branch into other areas goo who knoooows
[19:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer.> I’m surprised there’s no page on Wikipedia about Owala water bottles
[19:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Yay I'm lucky, I'm in the very few people that can't vote
[19:40:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Wait no
[19:40:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> That's supposed to be bad
[19:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Unlucky*
[19:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/2] not much to vote for anyway
[19:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/2] ^said every non-voter ever but this time there actually isn't
[19:45:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> I very much dislike not voting when I can
[19:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> absolutely, just bringing up how both candidates are gonna get elected
[20:09:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pixldev> ahh too many words my adhd can't take it
[20:12:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> (i read everything)
[20:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to awing_ding> [1/2] Thanks for bearing with us, Tech team has been putting out several overnight fires and is working to close the gap on that last set of folks that can't vote.  
[20:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to awing_ding> [2/2] Even if there's only two candidates, we appreciate folks' eagerness to participate in our unique model of governance!
[20:19:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to .spacedancer.> Glad that we could provide the start of a (hopefully) fun and winding journey, and glad you're still around to say Hi.
[20:23:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.spacedancer., replying to notaracham> I’ll be around for a while, don’t worry.
[20:31:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bartomelow> i have adhd lol
[20:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pixldev> for some reason whenever there's long texts i have to be interested to even read it all
[20:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Needed more paragraph breaks, but quite the summary. 😄
[21:03:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2fa_auth, replying to dgox2> DO I HEAR AUTHORITARIANISM? 🧐
[21:37:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to 2fa_auth> Holy cannoli it’s 2fa
[21:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> I have you on all of my accounts
[21:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [1/2] would anyone be able to tell me what  《》is?
[21:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [2/2] https://concordiancommonwealth.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Venarya?redirect=no
[21:42:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> and preferably also how to remove it 😭
[21:49:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to _zombi_> [1/2] edit the template and remove it from the template code
[21:49:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to _zombi_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1362907880541389001/image.png?ex=68041a60&is=6802c8e0&hm=b51e0c115a6c426da8dbf1f0ff33a661a8a96cc71c0c347e04da717d43fbd1d7&
[21:49:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> looks like it's just two unicode characters
[21:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] was added in this edit: https://concordiancommonwealth.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Venarya?diff=prev&oldid=416
[21:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] maybe on accident?
[21:50:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> well that was simple. tysm
[21:50:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_, replying to abaddriverlol> most likely
[21:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to _zombi_> np
[23:47:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eyetorus> [1/2] question: 
[23:47:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eyetorus> [2/2] so there's [another wiki](https://ng5m.dev/vlwiki) (not on mirahizee) that basically defines some terms that are relevant for my wiki. If I mention a term in my wiki, am I allowed to hyperlink to the other wiki's term definiton? Or should I instead create a new page and define that term myself. I ask this because I am unclear as to what constitues as "forking"