[00:52:25] Yes. [01:24:38] i wonder if we could include a parser that converts a url or fqdn to the database name if possible [01:41:17] Already possible using a combination of other ones. [01:41:29] oh? [01:51:33] [1/4] Using ParserFunctions with string functions enabled I spinned something up real quick: [01:51:33] [2/4] ``` [01:51:34] [3/4] {{#explode:{{#replace: https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/Page | https:// | }} | . | 0}}wiki [01:51:34] [4/4] ``` [01:51:58] oh right, i forgor about explode [01:52:01] ngl i was thinking of lua [01:53:34] [1/16] (function signatures might be different, i haven't checked docs) [01:53:34] [2/16] ```lua [01:53:34] [3/16] local p = {} [01:53:34] [4/16] function p._main(text) [01:53:35] [5/16] if string.match("^https?://", text) then [01:53:35] [6/16] text = mw.uri.new(text).host [01:53:35] [7/16] end [01:53:36] [8/16] text = string.sub("%.miraheze%.org$", "", text) [01:53:36] [9/16] text = string.sub("%.wikitide%.org$", "", text) [01:53:36] [10/16] return text [01:53:36] [11/16] end [01:53:37] [12/16] function p.main(frame) [01:53:37] [13/16] return p._main(frame.args[1]) [01:53:38] [14/16] end [01:53:38] [15/16] return p [01:53:39] [16/16] ``` [01:53:45] [1/5] I first created a much more complicated version then realized I could do that. If you want to see my original horrible one using Variables +ParserFunctions lol: [01:53:45] [2/5] ||`{{#vardefine:url|https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/Page}} [01:53:46] [3/5] {{#vardefine:trimmed|{{#replace:{{#var:url}}|https://|}}}} [01:53:46] [4/5] {{#vardefine:subdomain|{{#explode:{{#var:trimmed}}|.|0}}}} [01:53:46] [5/5] {{#var:subdomain}}wiki`|| [01:54:55] I was just wondering what I was doing. I tend to very much overcomplicate when doing parsers lol... [01:55:02] oh dear :p [02:08:09] Expensiiiiive [02:08:25] (jokes) [02:17:41] You don't 'own' a wiki. You may request and be a crat on multiple wikis, if we see you're capable of properly maintaining them all [02:40:48] WikiTide Limited owns all the wikis technically. [02:41:19] You just manage the wiki, and that can be changed at any time for any reason really, but it usually only happens under extreme circumstances. [02:47:06] WikiTide Limited? who dat [02:48:27] MiraTide LLC [02:50:22] Heh. WikiTide Foundation (technically still WikiTide Inc to the tax man) is the legal entity. And no, we don't claim ownership of the wiki's contents, precisely. [02:51:18] But we do reserve a pretty thorough right of hosting refusal when it's needed. [03:17:51] RollTide LLC [03:40:58] we technically reserve the right to display your content [03:41:16] which makes sense--what's the point of giving us content if you don't want us to display it [03:42:34] I reserve the right to eat your content if i forget to eat lunch [03:46:07] i reserve the right to rewrite your templates in lua if i deem them too messy [03:48:16] Are there any guides/tutorials/resources I can look at for miraheze? Whenever I look stuff up on google I get mostly unhelpful 100 view videos. And the official miraheze docs are admittedly confusing at times [03:51:40] having any videos is news to me ngl [03:52:24] not miraheze-specific, but i feel that [[mwHelp:Templates]] is loadbearing documentation [03:52:25] [03:52:35] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [03:52:36] [03:53:19] the current global notice takes too much space on mobile [03:53:41] along with [[mw:Help:Formatting]] if you need a cursory reference for wikitext [03:53:42] [04:01:25] ok ty [04:24:55] [1/2] Mediawiki's generic help contents are also a great starting place: [04:24:55] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents [04:25:10] Many (but not all of the articles) apply here too [06:44:09] [1/2] having this issue as well today >A< [06:44:09] [2/2] had both editor checked on personal setting but somehow visual editing option doesn't show up [06:45:50] disable/enable again the extension [06:46:16] but any experienced admin will advice to ditch VE and stick w/ wiki text lol [06:47:03] <2fa_auth, replying to mooncloud> frfr [06:47:21] <2fa_auth> I love democracy 😎 🔥 [06:47:29] <2fa_auth> i voted [07:05:56] ive had it like this for months [07:30:40] [1/2] yeah it's for my team members which mostly never have any experience in wiki editing. [07:30:40] [2/2] will try to re-enable the extension. thanks! [07:44:18] [1/2] does anyone know how i can make this own box on my wiki [07:44:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363782385443012719/voe3cml.png?ex=680748d2&is=6805f752&hm=92db7a332559ab3238b6a99d89025abce95246ec18899738f3276cec24406b2e& [07:46:09] you can import but importing from Wikipedia is not advised [07:46:16] yeah i wouldnt do that [07:46:19] i had too much chaos last time [07:46:41] it doesn't look too complicated tho, mostly borderless table [07:46:50] depends on how complex are parameters ofc [07:47:00] could you help make a basic one for me? [07:47:02] never used such infoboxes so can't tell [08:04:12] [1/2] does anyone know what ive done [08:04:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363787390761828513/3ogvoeM.png?ex=68074d7b&is=6805fbfb&hm=910f4388e0a4715fafb56f080942750a92d95e9f079a9504d9b5bfdd54768d85& [08:09:34] [1/2] this is now the error [08:09:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363788742434885753/gwzwNPq.png?ex=68074ebe&is=6805fd3e&hm=4ce7e92d326dac10b4b048820ae8922be46c1ab1d4456f8133be1a81d465888b& [08:18:29] well, says exactly that [08:18:36] you don't have Module:Arguments [08:18:42] you'll have to import it [08:22:47] but i do [08:22:58] it gaveme that error after i added that [08:23:09] https://kernowwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Arguments [08:24:53] idk, I personally avoid Lua as much as I can [08:25:02] i have never heard of lua [08:25:17] i just copied and pasted from someone elses wiki [08:25:27] major breaking news on #offtopic. [08:27:59] it's not Miraheze related tho, man ... [08:28:04] offtopic is offtopic [08:28:21] and besides, not a lot of people are catholic [08:28:23] But that's why I mentioned #offtopic because its on there, not on here. [08:29:23] my point is, you didn't have to bring this up in general Miraheze channel breaking ongoing convo [08:30:03] Okay. Fine. [08:32:38] Lua is a programming language which can be used on wiki templates for more versatility/complexity, and thus is mainly used by Wikipedia [08:32:48] Module: pages contain Lua code [08:33:22] but trying to import such templates often result in these dependency errors, hence why we advice simpler methods and templates [08:34:35] I'm not able to conjure an table analogue of that infobox now, since I'm on mobile [08:34:52] and in general, still on personal wiki hiatus [08:35:10] maybe someone else will [09:47:53] [1/2] i tried using the infoboxbuilder but [09:47:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363813484256563311/5rWDW0A.png?ex=680765c9&is=68061449&hm=32692891199e37dc74f8c650551750d887a3359c3c670c7dd6f5ee4bae978bbf& [09:56:16] Didn't see you add infobox anywhere [09:57:21] i used the builder so it should of added [09:58:40] [1/2] It's not, you just create a template. [09:58:40] [2/2] And you need to add the template to your page [09:59:04] i did [09:59:06] infobox builder -> infobox template -> add the template to a page [09:59:10] i did that [09:59:14] its in the screenshot [09:59:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363816394738765854/w1AfLuM.png?ex=6807687e&is=680616fe&hm=0353ee44203776ab5e7c6c97f4d0cace8fcaf203d65cfa1b34372fb0d8f7a555& [10:00:02] That doesn't look like it was build from infobox builder👀 [10:00:32] it is [10:00:41] :ThinkerMH: [10:01:15] Can you show a bit of code from that template? [10:02:33] [1/2] If it was really infobox, the template should display like this from the Visual Editor perspective [10:02:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363817176384929854/ERRcaVx.png?ex=68076939&is=680617b9&hm=11b0a74da9f23afb87e7768286ec1e40ef4e346935d726f061ee8364f23659df& [10:37:53] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363826065960865852/kWaGIkO.png?ex=68077180&is=68062000&hm=f67986eb04f354726402e89ec3f7cfb557d25b13ce9823ef33b610c1d9b7a1e3& [10:37:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363826066283561012/WNFZz9v.png?ex=68077180&is=68062000&hm=6bc91bfa01b47c542e5574664ec4197e77646d47bd652d8a95d33afa7802d670& [10:38:12] wait wrong one [10:38:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363826217077444821/UUDcSi0.png?ex=680771a4&is=68062024&hm=b6c4b0c17c9166fd69ac7251d7e445eff9624edb4be93c6d26faabe8dae14d2f& [10:47:44] You aren't using portable infobox I see [10:48:03] yes i am??/ [10:48:09] i used the builder [10:48:30] I guess that's how it look like while in Visual Editor, did you try to save the page to see what happen? [10:48:39] [1/2] this is what i used [10:48:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363828777431335014/qtaAxLr.png?ex=68077407&is=68062287&hm=5f587acf92deae7ce027ac636fa32d336a32761341303cbdb2dc0a49697c87a0& [10:48:40] and yes [10:49:54] This code isn't created from portable infobox builder [10:50:08] that was a wrong screenshot [10:50:10] like i said [10:50:17] the infobox im on abotu was in the other screenshot [10:51:28] Can I see the page you are editing? It's better if I can directly see myself [10:51:49] I mean the direct url of the page [10:56:25] Oh I figure now [10:56:38] You are using the incorrect template [10:57:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363830926169083935/XJ5yNRj.png?ex=68077607&is=68062487&hm=4d70d63ff82d4b2e8f304d2e245042728211719c2a38ece79336c180b6dfc457& [10:57:19] ^That's how I fixed [10:59:45] oh i see [10:59:46] thank you [11:06:25] portable infobox won't suffice for that election infobox still [11:07:24] [1/2] PI is fixed standard 1-2 columns table [11:07:24] [2/2] giving it different appearance requires more coding, or perhaps just making plain classic infobox [12:06:53] im not smart [12:07:01] i cant be bothered to try do all that [13:31:28] [1/3] Is there a page that explains the "edit recovery feature"? [13:31:28] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363869749297025234/Screenshot_20250421-0930272.png?ex=68079a2f&is=680648af&hm=0c8051b1c0200995aa7584f0d8c4f2e2b402e3b2b5518bfe9ed781566c3ff82f& [13:31:28] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363869749888684122/Screenshot_20250421-0930582.png?ex=68079a2f&is=680648af&hm=ce553f917b195a568649daa9f4cc13a30b3f85674a70ecf2b436ea82c2a44c43& [13:33:42] [1/3] - you enable the feature [13:33:42] [2/3] - you edit a page [13:33:43] [3/3] - you refresh [13:35:28] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/Edit-recovery_feature [13:35:52] Oh, cool, it stores what's in the text field if you leave the edit page without publishing the edits, thank you [13:35:59] is [13:36:01] is that second image [13:36:08] really what the Edit Recovery link [13:36:10] links to [13:36:17] [[Special:Preferences]] [13:36:17] Yes [13:36:18] [13:36:51] ... [13:36:54] thats [13:37:00] [[Special:EditRecovery]] [13:37:01] [13:37:10] not very intuitive [13:37:18] im not sure how I only realize this now [13:37:20] That's why I asked lol [13:37:29] since I was the one who added Edit Recovery to miraheze [13:37:52] Happy to bring this to your attention lol 🫶 [13:38:01] It happens [13:38:25] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5630 not as along ago as i thought lol [13:38:37] Yeah, I'm thinking how it can be fixed [13:38:44] Maybe make a help page on Meta [13:38:50] or if WMF has one [13:39:07] :3 [13:39:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Edit_Recovery [13:39:29] oh [13:39:56] [1/2] have I got this backwards? [13:39:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363871881974907072/image.png?ex=68079c2c&is=68064aac&hm=23dcc6d528de39d132d663ff2f3c78b8faa7f5391f915f1e79cdad58dbd8db3f& [13:41:26] [1/3] i parse it as: [13:41:26] [2/3] * true: this is beta (= available only to those who enable the beta feature) [13:41:27] [3/3] * false: this is not beta (= enabled by default) [13:41:31] wanna update https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tog-editrecovery in Mirahezemagic? [13:41:48] just trying to enable them at all [13:42:03] i wonder if it should be in its description [13:42:12] Possibly [13:42:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tog-editrecovery-help [13:42:33] should we bug OA for what he thinkjs [13:42:41] "More information about the edit recovery feature can be found on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit recovery|MediaWiki.org]]" [13:42:52] @Wiki-Bot fucked off ig [13:43:12] [[w:amongus]] [13:43:13] [13:43:25] you spelt it wrong [13:43:29] [[w:amogus]] [13:43:30] [13:43:36] it redirected [13:44:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_Us#Chicken_nugget_auction [13:44:49] :salute: [13:46:26] wtf 😩 [13:47:00] you should be good [13:48:07] [1/3] this one settings is new, however :ThinkerMH: [13:48:07] [2/3] can't check if popups work on my wiki rn [13:48:07] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363873940300370141/IMG_20250421_164732.jpg?ex=68079e16&is=68064c96&hm=902012bae395051db8f50eab875ce2b32a59b28017f7e3dbd27776413083fb10& [13:52:30] [1/2] getting closer [13:52:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363875045855854693/image.png?ex=68079f1e&is=68064d9e&hm=efebce4f2e5843cb629b1260092e648d4068d454d946f08f28b42b7ef0f515ba& [13:54:00] how recently you've enabled textextract and/or pageimages? [13:54:20] probably 20 mins [13:54:22] gotta consider portable infoboxes and the heading setting as well... [13:54:30] ohh [13:54:42] pi issue is still not fixed? [13:55:50] gotta flip the header setting to false [13:56:15] becuase textextracts (and description2!) would trim the text to prior the first heading, so you get nothing [13:56:32] that option is documented to cause problems with other extensions, but is true by default for some reason [13:57:01] it's in mamagewiki? [14:00:35] which page is that? [14:00:49] Special:ManageWiki/settings [14:00:53] PortableInfoboxUseHeadings iirc [14:00:56] or search for "use headings" [15:08:31] [1/2] If I fork the Timeless skin and make some changes—like using dark colors by default and rearranging some elements—how likely is it that it would be approved for use on my wiki? [15:08:31] [2/2] I don't like relying on heavy edits in Common.css to change the colors, because they don't always load properly on slow or unstable connections. The DarkMode extension also isn't quite what I'm looking for and has some major disadvantages. [15:09:39] <_arawynn> which skin and what colours you use doesn't need approval [15:29:45] they're asking whether they can fork the skin and use it on their wiki [15:34:35] <_arawynn> oh, I overlooked that [15:45:45] timeless is part of vanilla mediawiki, isn't? [15:46:20] also your wiki is self hosted, not on Miraheze? [15:48:03] and DarkMode is not very good indeed, I suggest ThemeToggle where "themes", including light and dark, are made manually [15:48:39] on Miraheze pizzatower.wiki uses it [16:57:38] it is a separate skin, but it's bundled in the mediawiki tarball [16:57:53] probably not, otherwise they wouldn't have to ask whether someone would approve it [16:59:48] I don't understand forking deal then [17:01:01] they want to fork the skin, add dark mode to it and then get it added to ManageWiki and therefore their wiki [17:04:12] has anyone even done that [17:20:36] [1/3] Exactly that. I want my wiki to have a dark theme as default and not offer a light skin at all. The problem with just using css to change the colors are the flash of white light on loading and with slow or unstable connections it sometimes does not load at all (I had that situation when I was on the train). That's why I was thinking about making a fork to m [17:20:37] [2/3] ake everything dark as Default - like DarkTimeless does but the problems with that stay the same. [17:20:37] [3/3] But I'm not sure if it would be approved that's why I asked. [17:27:06] if you get noticeable flash from css alone something doesn't align [17:27:29] it can happen w/ js, it will happen w/ MobileFrontend [17:44:53] [1/2] It is not that noticable but you see it for a very brief moment. It is a common occurrence with slow connections, like I have on the bus right now - it also happens on the pizza tower wiki right now, btw, but that is due to my connection ^^ [17:44:53] [2/2] But that was not my point anyway, I know how to handle css well, I was just wondering about the probability of the changed skin to be approved - it's also not only about the colors but some other small things like rearranging stuff which is better with a new skin rather than using js and, more importantly, having a dark preferences page ^^ [17:51:09] [1/2] I am not a volunteer, so I could be wrong, but it would at the very least, if at all being considered take a considerable amount of time to get any new skin approved, as it would have to be checked for security issues, userflow etc (all the reasons that the custom css does not apply to preferences, and login pages and maybe a few others basically), and probably would also be low prio [17:51:09] [2/2] rity to do as well I would geuss [17:56:42] What do you mean user flow [17:58:51] well, basically what I been told mainly, when I seen answers to why css don't apply to preferences and login, but I would assume things like buttons and stuff, doing what they claim to do and such [18:03:23] What's the actual question? [18:03:28] I feel a rabbit hole [18:04:09] This is the original qeustion: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1363894173249437786 [18:08:18] Probably not [18:08:38] I'd question why it couldn't be upstreamed with a config flag [18:08:54] @vanyar1 [18:47:06] <_zombi_> [1/2] is there a way to move the "expand" below the "national union" [18:47:07] <_zombi_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363949184709038240/image.png?ex=6807e42a&is=680692aa&hm=660d9618f7d5940bc03ab0e86c30105cb41146f9684c8b292ccee4ecfdc6994b& [18:51:42] That's definitely an option, but I’m not sure how to contribute to the Timeless skin – or whether the maintainers would even be interested in a dark version. Looks like I’d need a developer account, so I’ll check that out sometime in the next few days. [18:52:15] Ask! [18:52:29] They hopefully will be nice [18:52:32] im pretty sure a dark mode timeless exists but it's unstable [18:52:44] But a no upstream will show why it's needed [18:54:30] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless/DarkCSS sorry it actually is unmaintained [18:56:02] > This is an unmaintained and has many outstanding issues, and it is unclear if it works on newer MW versions. An alternative is Extension:DarkMode, which is more reliable and maintained. [18:56:11] Since when was DarkMode either of them things [18:56:23] i guess it used to be??? [18:56:53] unless whoever added that purposefully added misinformation and should be executed [18:57:50] It was a comm tech project [18:57:56] But never properly adopted [18:57:58] oh [18:58:01] And now mostly dumped [18:58:14] And forgotten about [18:58:30] one day this might become maintanened again [18:58:56] probably not [18:59:14] Does timeless itself even have a proper sponsor and maintainer [18:59:58] some user name isarra maintainds it i think [19:02:07] I mean something can be more reliable, without being straight up reliable, as long as the thing it is compared to is even more unreliable 😉 [19:04:33] Ye thought so [19:08:49] <1skt5> hi! amm hello [19:09:22] <1skt5> please help me, i dont undertand [19:09:40] <1skt5> how change the logo of my wiki [19:09:54] <1skt5> sorry for the bad english [19:10:52] how can i add extension:cargo to my wiki? do i need a steward to enable it for me? [19:11:29] yes, it's a very heavy load kind of extension [19:11:41] [[SR/RC]] [19:11:41] go to your wiki's additional settings > styling > look for icons and favicon [19:11:42] [19:11:50] oh i see, thank you :ponsuke: [19:12:11] first you should upload images for logo and favicon to the wiki [19:12:30] oh yeah, that too my bad [19:15:20] <1skt5, replying to koskirm> That I do know., but i dont understand [19:15:22] <1skt5> What link should I put? [19:15:37] <1skt5> I don't quite understand the instructions it says [19:18:06] file url, open the original file and take the url of it [19:18:43] [1/4] 1. upload images on wiki [19:18:43] [2/4] 2. after upload image will have its own page, it starts w/ `File:` [19:18:44] [3/4] 3. under image there will be open in original size link or something like that, click on it [19:18:44] [4/4] 4. new tab w/ raw image file will open, you need to copy that URL [19:19:36] <1skt5, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> thank u! [19:21:44] It would appear [19:22:01] I have made a steward request for crat perms without realizing by making the wiki I already have them. [19:22:15] I do not know how to cancel this as it was made using the tool. [19:25:07] [[SR/P]] [19:25:08] [19:26:05] Where do I remove it I mean [19:26:20] @noobmannoobfish when did you request it? What is your username? [19:26:27] Just now [19:26:30] my username is the same [19:27:54] Unless they did it I think crat perms are default upon creating the wiki [19:29:41] I don't see any edits by you [19:29:47] So you can't have saved the request [19:29:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/NoobManNoobFish [19:29:57] I figured I used the tool [19:30:00] intesting [19:30:02] well alrighty then [19:30:06] thanks for checkin [19:43:11] I have seen a couple people recently-ish having issues with the SR tool tbf, so might for once maybe have worked in our favour xD [19:43:27] is it possible to input a gallery in a table? [19:45:01] Yeah [20:58:20] yes, CSS [20:59:12] it should be, yeah [21:44:55] my templatestyles aren't templatestyling [21:45:08] this isn't on miraheze but uhh [21:45:48] i have a context link template that runs via this global module [21:46:52] and i have a template style thing on top of it in the template script [21:47:04] [1/2] the code ```{{#invoke:Hatnote|hatnote}}/includeonly{{Documentation}}/noinclude [21:47:04] [2/2] ``` [21:47:57] [1/13] here's the css [21:47:57] [2/13] ```css [21:47:57] [3/13] .hatnote { [21:47:58] [4/13] font-style: italic; [21:47:58] [5/13] } [21:47:58] [6/13] div.hatnote { [21:47:59] [7/13] padding-left: 1.6em; [21:47:59] [8/13] margin-bottom: 0.5em; [21:47:59] [9/13] } [21:47:59] [10/13] .hatnote i { [21:48:00] [11/13] font-style: normal; [21:48:00] [12/13] } [21:48:01] [13/13] ``` [21:48:25] i cleared my cache and purged [21:58:02] Do the channels look different [21:58:25] i think i may have accidentally dragged a Channel but not sure which one :-) [21:59:04] was #cvt always in support [22:03:12] i think so [22:03:24] hehe, the always nagging fear of having powers xD [22:05:13] Looks same to me [22:05:48] i didn't know wikimedia had a discord server [22:06:15] i added :breaker: as a test [22:06:34] never gotten ariund to del it [22:06:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1363999434488418416/breaker.jpg?ex=680812f7&is=6806c177&hm=66a50269e9f752288e99e25b609b564c7e5a442f996a0f2ab9a3d93ee12f69a3& [22:07:22] Yes [22:07:37] doesn't look like any channel moved [22:09:04] Huh [22:09:13] thanks folks [22:09:21] :WatchYoSelf: [23:42:51] Hey chat! [23:45:00] hallo [23:45:18] gasp I'm alive!!! [23:45:37] I was bored and look at #support channel [23:45:46] My brain almost exploded i was confused [23:51:27] Mediawiki doesnthat