[00:00:54] [1/2] You can take a look for yourself. If it's been filed, it's probably on the second page: [00:00:54] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [00:01:01] We've currently got a queue of 56 requests [00:03:23] Well I looked there I didn't see it, is it different for private wikis by any chance? [00:05:56] What's your username on the wiki? [00:06:55] If it got declined (which may be why it's not showing up on the queue) you should have also received an email noting why [00:11:32] Terminator Fan1984, I haven't gotten an email if it had been declined [00:28:06] The searching for articles thing is not working right. [00:52:30] Confirmed, I do not see any request being filed. [00:52:39] So you'll need to submit a new request [00:53:46] That is odd, I swear I thought I submitted a request earlier [00:59:07] A few gotchas: Request description must have at least 250 characters, and your account needs an attached email [01:05:39] I see, but I thought I put in a request earlier, maybe I forgot about something [01:19:45] My account should have my gmail attached to it though, unless I am also missing something there [01:33:56] Should I make another request just incase? [01:50:49] Is this still happening? [01:53:19] [1/2] As already stated you have no requests pending, did you ensure to follow the instructions to confirm your email, are you ensuring you are meeting the 250 character limit in the request reason by ensuring your reason for request is properly detailed and not using filler text. Did you ensure that fields in the request page are filled out properly in the cor [01:53:19] [2/2] rect manner? [02:24:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1398853595964903586/IMG_1486.png?ex=6886df6e&is=68858dee&hm=079c1b5d45bd903c888f27a71f76a3413e187a274fb58b80771fc5234adf3149& [02:24:47] Searching pages is still not working right [02:24:58] Can someone fix it [02:30:33] open a [[phorge]] task [02:30:34] [02:35:00] cirrussearch is globally borked, oops [02:35:48] [1/20] ``` [02:35:49] [2/20]  Trying 10.0.16.141:443...  Connected to opensearch-mw.wikitide.net (10.0.16.141) port 443 (#0) [02:35:49] [3/20] * ALPN: offers h2,http/1.1 [02:35:49] [4/20] * TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1): [02:35:50] [5/20] * TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2): [02:35:50] [6/20] * TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Encrypted Extensions (8): [02:35:50] [7/20] * TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11): [02:35:51] [8/20] * TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, CERT verify (15): [02:35:51] [9/20] * TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Finished (20): [02:35:51] [10/20] * TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS change cipher, Change cipher spec (1): [02:35:52] [11/20] * TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Finished (20): [02:35:52] [12/20] * SSL connection using TLSv1.3 / TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 [02:35:52] [13/20] * ALPN: server accepted h2 [02:35:53] [14/20] * Server certificate: [02:35:53] [15/20] * subject: CN=wikitide.net [02:35:54] [16/20] * start date: Apr 27 16:24:15 2025 GMT [02:35:54] [17/20] * expire date: Jul 26 16:24:14 2025 GMT [02:35:55] [18/20] * issuer: C=US; O=Let's Encrypt; CN=E5 [02:35:55] [19/20] * SSL certificate verify result: unable to get local issuer certificate (20), continuing anyway. [02:35:56] [20/20] ``` [02:36:51] @paladox ^ [02:40:59] Yes, I made sure to follow the instructions to have my email confirmed, though I may have gone over 250, I made sure that the fields are filled properly too, along with that of a link of where the said wiki I am requesting is moving or forking from [02:42:27] I’m mobile [02:42:44] ouch [02:43:23] @cosmicalpha ^? [02:44:03] it says the issue right in the message shown above [02:44:44] needs a cert refresh [02:44:53] it is using the old one [02:45:16] "expire date: Jul 26" [02:48:09] I will deal with it in a sec [02:48:22] just needs nginx restart [02:50:36] -# faster than manjaro [02:50:40] Shouldnt puppet be detecting the new cert and restarting that service? [02:50:55] Or is it not stored locally [02:56:25] I have no idea, I can’t see what you are doing, all I know is no requests associated with your account. [03:03:01] How long does the review process usually take? [03:19:05] fixed [03:33:40] how can I access the skins directory on a server? [03:36:52] Pardon? [03:37:09] [1/4] you don't do things w/ server on miraheze [03:37:09] [2/4] look for Administration sidebar, it's the settings and stuff you are able to change for you wiki [03:37:09] [3/4] available skins are in Extensions link, skins tab [03:37:10] [4/4] + there are couple of "hard coded" MediaWiki skins in Additional settings link, Styling tab [03:37:36] well I installed a new skin but I don't know how to implement it [03:37:51] that's pretty much the issue I'm facing [03:38:00] are you on Miraheze wiki? [03:38:03] ye [03:38:16] was like [03:38:21] very very new to this [03:38:25] you enabled a skin in Extensions page? [03:39:07] whats the link to that? [03:39:42] Manage this wiki's extensions, like i said in my first message [03:39:47] oh [03:40:26] which skin you want to set? [03:40:28] yeah I see now [03:40:51] I swear back then there's only like 8 or less options now everything seems to be on there [03:41:39] well, refreshed seems to be the most clean out of other options I've previewed [03:42:18] [1/3] after you enabled skin extension, you must go to [03:42:19] [2/3] Manage this wiki's additional settings -> Styling tab [03:42:19] [3/3] and pick default skin from drop-down [03:42:30] ty bro πŸ‘ [03:47:05] Omg I just realized why It didn't show up [03:47:21] I forgot to hit the submit button the first time [04:13:46] Ooof, that'd do it [04:14:12] Looks like it's already been approved, congrats [04:56:26] likely maximum 7 days [04:56:42] (everyone are volunteers) [04:58:48] Make sure you check the "Request comments" and follow instructions [05:25:43] Thanks [05:41:16] It really varies depending on volunteer availability, sometimes it can (rarely) get above 7 days, but it bounces between 2-3 days and longer. [06:11:10] not sure why but whenever I choose the default skin to refreshed and press save it just tells me that "The value you specified is not a valid option." and then refreshed is gone from the drop down list [06:12:42] Can you go to Special:Version and check if your wiki is v1.43 or v1.44? This is prolly a tech issue [06:13:19] Mediawiki version? [06:13:25] 1.43.1 [06:14:35] checked several times in extensions that the skin is enabled [06:14:57] works on Meta Wiki [06:15:00] hmm [06:15:21] If no tech member replies in some time you should repost your question on #support cause this seemed scuffed [06:15:21] even checked and it say miraheze supports that skin [06:15:32] actually wait, check your user preferences -> appearance [06:15:44] which skin is set for you personally [06:15:58] I need to have that set to refreshed as well? [06:16:28] it should be whatever is set by default, unless you changed something beforehand [06:16:43] also have you entered something in changes text field before saving? [06:16:59] that's a must so yes [06:17:09] it give me that message after I press save [06:17:23] can you link your wiki? [06:17:27] ill try again now that I set user preferences to that [06:18:06] just show what's on your preference [06:18:12] options [06:18:16] available [06:19:12] [1/2] just changed it [06:19:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1398912588510662667/2025-07-27_4.png?ex=6887165f&is=6885c4df&hm=b143a0da313347f5cca4c30ec828da31de840d9443af36f331bca1e1fa873e7c& [06:19:14] now it's working [06:19:23] idk what it shows on other people's view however [06:19:26] no that's not it man [06:19:30] e [06:19:35] i just asked you to show, not doing anything [06:19:48] the one in additional setting also automatically changed to refreshed [06:20:18] so, vector 2022 is default, what everyone will see on opening your wiki [06:20:29] you just set refresh onky for yourself now manually [06:20:38] ? [06:20:50] that's why it's user preferences ... [06:21:25] but in the additional settings the default skin is also set to refreshed [06:21:35] link your wiki, please [06:21:45] can't make guesses anymore [06:21:47] dms or here [06:21:54] no dms [06:22:07] so just pop it here? [06:22:09] if it's 18+ put a warning/spoiler/<> [06:22:18] nope it's no where near that [06:22:23] https://michaelszombies.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [06:22:41] heavily underwork since it's just me now the rest of the people went MIA [06:22:47] it's Refreshed [06:22:54] i guess it works [06:22:57] still weird [06:22:59] alright [06:23:33] well I seen you can customize this skin with the customization extension so ill experiment with that for a it [06:23:45] lol your wiki is privte, so i can't see settings [06:23:48] It's Vector 2022 on a logged out acciunt [06:23:57] oh [06:24:22] hm yeah [06:24:47] that could be cache tho [06:25:10] like, a jetlag between logged in and out [06:25:29] eh [06:25:33] anyways thanks for the help again [06:26:34] Just opened it on an incognito tab and you're somehow right?even though that's not how cache is supposed to work [06:26:42] that's a very unusual skin, i haven't seen it in a wild really, so weird behaviour is to be expected [06:27:50] it's a known thing here, it not always might occure but yeah, cache was often to be blamed for various mishaps [06:28:29] Love how that's a thing even though I'm supposed to not be able to cache anything on account of not having visited the page yet [06:28:35] [1/2] hm, this happens when I open extensions [06:28:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1398914951581798480/2025-07-27_6.png?ex=68871893&is=6885c713&hm=c3d544226800950ff52c4f99e1295a08ba7f0fa57650ee8fbf5053d192cfeafa& [06:28:52] nvm [06:28:56] got back to normal just now [06:29:15] that's not normal look either [06:29:22] sight [06:30:27] if things keep getting weird i guess you better make [[phorge]] bug task w/ all details, that error, steps taken [06:30:28] [06:30:44] k ty [06:30:45] again, rarely used skin [06:31:10] so not a lot of knowledge/experience of it [06:51:27] roblox wiki?? [06:51:30] that's cool [06:58:53] All Roblox wiki shall move to miraheze [07:12:11] im curious, does the dormancy policy also apply to wikis that were private from the start? because i heard a comment online say otherwise, and i want to verify that [07:16:36] it applies to all wikis [07:18:00] i see, thank you :)) [07:21:13] [1/2] What’s wrong with this? [07:21:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1398928198523424841/2025-07-27_15-17-50.mov?ex=688724e9&is=6885d369&hm=cdb56b5bb832c8c62d7c10485b36653de784ab2a515d5c95ca9bd10a644da4e2& [07:28:26] That's a Microsoft Edge feature, not a Miraheze feature. In fact, if you try to fill your password using another browser you won't see the password reveal icon at all [07:28:33] Ref: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/web-platform/password-reveal [09:55:18] This happens sometimes to me [11:36:32] css became a zombie [12:55:36] Microsoft edge for a start πŸ™ˆ [12:56:33] windows [13:08:47] I have a fun game for myself now: Lay on my bed, look at my computer screen and try guess the skin and even the wiki via what I can see from my bed [13:10:53] i much prefer the game of "wtf am I looking at" with any mediawiki code [13:12:30] "Look at the MediaWiki php files and try guess what they do" sounds an intersing game [13:12:53] "this one mediawikis,,,,,,, probably...?" [13:22:54] No maybe Wordpress [13:23:16] oh no [14:36:57] cant I grant another admin for b-crat in 1 day? I don't know how to improve SEO further more(I have set the SEO option) [14:39:52] Yes [14:39:58] Change the expiration [16:05:22] bloody laws [16:06:13] ah I love my government and the UK government, only doing great things! (fucking not) [16:06:21] From the UK, will my wiki be deleted? [16:06:32] No wikis will be deleted. [16:06:50] Not thrilled that we had to take this step, but far better than the alternatives of compelling/constraining speech, forcing age verification, or geofencing off chunks of the world from our service. [16:07:17] Yup… [16:07:42] I love censorship guys, does anyone else love it!!! [16:07:46] Will the FBI swat raid my house because I'm underaged by a few months πŸ˜› [16:08:13] Keep it on the DL, bud. 🀣 [16:08:19] Wait, does this mean there's no contact page ability at all now? I loved that feature... [16:08:32] sighs fuck our government. [16:09:09] uk? [16:09:14] Does it mean Australia as well? Didn't know they all had a similar act [16:09:15] Yup. [16:09:23] I just use Discord [16:09:26] UK support group πŸ”₯ [16:09:37] If they bin AO3, I'll riot [16:09:46] I also have a lot of writer emails and Discord names to hand [16:09:48] Yeah... at least for the moment that still qualifies as user-to-user messaging enabled by the platform. Still looking for counter-examples that could make that permissible as I'm with you on that. [16:09:55] yeah im au (so basically our gov trying to be just as bad as ur government is for internet privacy) 😭😭😭 [16:10:03] While we didn't use it on my wiki, the Contactpage does seem by far the most usefull of those things removed [16:10:33] I just stuck my gmail on my profile [16:10:54] Mhmm. The moment I find an appropriate example in case law we can stand on, it's getting restored. [16:10:57] I am very in the google ecosystem [16:11:07] yeah imma js add an alias thru my `franklin.gay` domain on my profile for contacting me now ig [16:11:24] I tried my best to escape it [16:11:26] glory to proton [16:11:55] That's unfortunately the workaround for now - add a 'contact page' on the wiki with your preferred method of outreach or use an alternate platform. It's dumb, but that's the difference. [16:12:04] Can I just make a page with the email I made to be the wiki email and say 'email me here'? [16:12:10] I have a protonmail, I had a tutanote, I have gmail... [16:12:13] Ah nvm, you got there first! [16:12:18] pretty much [16:12:23] That's permissible, as that's shifted to another platform for compliance [16:12:23] [1/2] Apparently they're trying to bin wikipedia as well in the UK [16:12:23] [2/2] And that is my entire bloody life 😭 [16:12:37] Darknet. [16:12:39] WMF is fighting it in court, and I very much hope they win. [16:12:50] Glory to the Foundatipn [16:12:58] couldnt it be argued EmailUser would be permissible then? or does that still count since on site is used to send the email [16:13:03] yea [16:13:06] Secure, Contain, Protect [16:13:23] Contain the wiki nerds [16:13:35] Never [16:13:39] Contain @pskyechology in a glass box and make sure they never escape [16:13:56] Maybe Wikipeida needs to have a SCP wiki paghe [16:14:09] And yes, if all esle fails, they could try TOR [16:14:11] wtf what did I do [16:14:16] im containing your wiki [16:14:24] im js a hater yk [16:14:28] VPN business is gonna explode in the UK 😭 [16:14:35] The big qualifier we're aiming to avoid is the platform directly facilitating user-to-user private communications [16:14:47] ah yeah true [16:14:48] I already have a bunch of old VPN accounts. Lost the passwords. [16:15:00] SO, how come gmail is not rescitted? [16:15:04] proton had a ~1000% increase in vpn usage after it came into effect [16:15:22] Gmail isn't a social media platform [16:15:25] It's, yano, email [16:15:27] If we do that as a service, we're under much tighter compliance requirements across the patchwork of UK, AUS and US state laws [16:15:39] also, VPNs remind me of my "bypass the school filters to play games" days [16:15:49] [[w:SCP Foundation]] [16:15:49] [16:16:08] psiphon my love (or running a vpn server on my raspi my love when I decided to get nerdier) [16:16:08] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1399059949262340207 what happened to make miraheze do this [16:16:13] laws [16:16:46] Wdym? [16:16:49] living in the dark I see, UK passed massive new laws that fuck sites over if they dont make ppl verify they over 18 with like an id or some bullshit like that [16:17:00] Will my wii be affected? [16:17:11] if the facilitate user -> user communication [16:17:27] Not exactly living in the dark, I just don't check up news [16:17:32] Ye, p much [16:17:54] Every wiki is affected in that no wiki can now have contact pages, and some other stuff [16:18:14] well the inbuilt ones, you can still make your own page called contact [16:18:19] and put an email there or dc or wtv [16:18:26] I mean, uh, I do not expect the public talk pages to be used on the workshop wiki and there is no PM system to my knowage idk if emailuser is enabled) [16:18:43] Also how does SocialProfile look now? [16:19:05] this isnt something you as a user / wiki editor have to worry about as far as I am aware, it is something Miraheze will have to put restrictions in place for [16:19:25] All built in PM systems had to be removed. Including emailuser. You can still use actual plaintext email since that doesnt go through our systems. [16:19:58] no different since user boards weren't enabled by default we just removed the ability to enable them and disabled on all wikis that had them enabled. [16:20:04] Yes, I plan to just use email/Discord DMs [16:20:07] how will this affect the 0 users who have ever emailed me [16:20:33] it will affect me greatly cuz I cant annoy buildaroo by randomly using emailuser (I did it once) [16:20:41] emails you [16:20:47] cant anymore skye@miraheze.org [16:21:10] oh yeah I keep forgetting this stinker is tech team so they have the miraheze email [16:21:59] check email [16:22:52] did you really just send me a death threat to my official volunteer email [16:23:01] what!! no!!! [16:23:01] smh im forwarding this straight to ts [16:23:05] NO!!! [16:23:11] 😨 [16:23:18] please spare my soul [16:23:24] average barto [16:23:36] bawk [16:23:44] also imagine using an email with your full name on it [16:23:55] LOL [16:23:56] be QUIET [16:24:00] my BROTHER made it [16:24:04] Emails by professionals, for professionals [16:24:15] Very corporate, very demure [16:24:20] average discord user when it comes to OpSec btw [16:24:20] (and i have been using it since forver) [16:24:41] No worries, It's a good thing to have. [16:24:57] my favourite legally existing person Not Aracham 😍 [16:25:22] and honestly what would someone even do with my full name [16:25:37] depends on how unique it is [16:25:49] and the info available based on it [16:25:58] google your full name and see what fun things you find [16:26:01] either way its not something you should give up freely online since it can certainly be used to narrow down who you are [16:27:23] Not unique [16:27:35] smh how dare my mother make my name not unique while hers is [16:30:41] hmmmmmmmm [16:31:02] what should i do w/ my wiki's email now tho ... [16:31:11] Eat it [16:41:59] tbf, my only email also contains my full name, the only one I ever had. I really should change that... but it is a lot of effort to set up, and making sure the right people know of it, a new email xD [16:52:04] Do I need to disable talk pages to compy? [16:55:10] no [16:55:27] you'll notice the announcement explicitly tells you to use those instead [17:10:04] This is so confusing [17:10:21] Like, how could talk pages be allowed but not DMs [17:11:57] public talk space as opposed to direct user to user communication I assume [17:14:38] I actually asked about ContactPage when I first noticed some PRs removing options for emails [17:17:01] The initial suggestion I heard was to forcefully add a "BCC" to every email sent to an NDA-signed address [17:17:33] idk where you heard that because that's insane and doesn't solve the issue [17:17:57] thats... an idea alright 😭 [17:18:17] if we wanted to read your emails we would just ask NSA nicely /j [17:18:45] Yea, CA personally notifying me that and also the fact that CPage will also be removed [17:19:48] Hence I first noticed the removals through #tech-ops [17:19:53] BCC was discussed, but determined that it wasn't sufficient to meet spirit of the regulations [17:20:19] And also more intrusive/data collected than we really wanted to maintain [17:21:16] As Franklin pretty well summarized, it's explicitly about private user-to-user conversations facilitated directly by the platform [17:22:13] [1/2] talk to people bad [17:22:13] [2/2] talk to wiki ok [17:22:20] ignoring the /j and taking this as an official statement from a miraheze representative [17:23:07] i mean if we actually asked they'd say "" [17:27:09] my favourite part is that the miraheze noreply email is probably full of extension:moderation pending changes [18:17:56] [1/2] my wiki logo is tweaking [18:17:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1399093467602227242/image.png?ex=6887bed4&is=68866d54&hm=840cbaa6349baf914d5947c657d87038689e5025ce21f3900ae619c70809eba2& [18:57:40] for chrome people, is alt + shift + p also not working for anyone else because of the group shortcut thing? [20:16:52] So how are SocialProfile's boards different from talk pages to the regulations if they were also public [20:17:12] They support private messaging. [20:17:31] And there isnt any built in way in SP to disable just that part [20:17:38] I see [20:17:55] Sounds like a possible feature request [20:18:32] yeah I was looking into adding it to SP actually been then I started diving into SPs code which was created a decade ago and then was like maybe some other day lol [20:18:47] Lmao [21:01:09] very demure, very mindful [21:02:20] i'm considering to legally change my name to claire elaina [21:02:23] so y'know xD [21:02:38] gender euphoria is tough to deny [21:07:15] SP has that effect yea [21:14:20] wikiforum... [21:15:00] omg, imagine if someone did a dh exchange on wiki, and started communicating w/ encryption [21:48:09] for the individual named NotAracham: I see you [21:51:34] or better, made an extension to do this automatically [21:51:51] I'm half tempted to do it and request it on Phorge for the lulz [21:52:08] i cast infinite security review [21:53:30] probably lol [21:53:41] [1/2] what do i know though [21:53:41] [2/2] (<== statistically more likely to call security issues "working as intended" rather than "security issues") [21:53:59] (mandatory /j) [21:57:34] [1/4] hey! [21:57:35] [2/4] would it be possible to implement a drop down list (https://klaatu.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Drop_down_list/doc) on a wiki's sidebar? [21:57:35] [3/4] say i wanted a link titled "team 1" under a player cateogry. i would then want team 1 to have a drop down menu that i can click on and access the respective players on that team. [21:57:35] [4/4] i made a page for template:drop down list, but im having trouble figuring out how to format it/link it on the pages i wanted it to be included on. ^^ [22:03:19] hmm, I'm not sure templates are allowed on the sidebar? [22:03:55] completely fine if they're not! just wanted to know if i was doing something wrong or if its just not possible. [22:04:06] Are you okay with using other skins? Because Nimbus and Monaco support drop down menu sidebars by default and I know some people have pulled it off on monobook with js. [22:05:14] i'll mess around with those. tysm! [22:05:42] That's fire tho [22:05:55] Speaking of Nimbus, anyone know how to get rid of the shoutwiki logo it has by default [22:05:55] ice- [22:06:08] frozen water [22:15:45] Pretty much any layout change is possible with javascript, though the workload probably doesn't justify all the time spent unless you can find an existing solution for what you want to accomplish.