[00:00:49] Anyways, how long ago did you message them? [00:01:08] I find that messaging people from Fandom can sometimes take a week or more to see a response [00:01:35] I'd take it that the admin approval would be having the backing of the wiki - is that not how it's viewed? [00:01:39] Especially if you messaged them on Fandom, since sometimes Fandom is crap with notifying the persin. [00:02:06] Odd, I'll try clearing my cache and reoping the browser [00:02:39] Literally just a few days ago with the people I could actually find - I'm trying very hard to not message people directly on their wall unless I have no other options, since I hear Fandom can suppress wikis thinking about moving away [00:02:59] Never mention forking directly on Fandom [00:03:18] but you can go to their walls saying "I have something urgent I'd like to PM you about" etc [00:03:29] My messages have just been "is there somewhere I can PM you" and that's it :P [00:03:45] Does the wiki have a discord? [00:04:02] I typically reach out to Fandom mods through Discord if I can [00:04:34] The topic of the wiki has an official Discord and I believe there are some other fan Discords but none wiki-specific I think. I did find one ex-staff through the Discord and one community member but everyone else has been tough luck [00:04:42] There's circumstances where they allow forks pretty sure. It's just generally something they like to avoid. [00:04:54] (unbacked forks*) [00:05:39] Yeah, that's tough luck, sounds like the only thing left is to wait and hope you get a response :/ [00:06:06] I mean, if the only way to contact the wiki admids is through Fandom and you've already done that, not much better one can do [00:06:22] how big is the wiki? [00:07:41] Total users that have edited according to Fandom (so probably including some of their bots) is 59; 2 active users; like 13 or 14 iirc in the last 90 days; and then 148 articles and 4,282 edits [00:08:49] Seemingly big enough that people edit frequently but not enough that there's a community around editing [00:10:37] small wikis are far easier to move and stuff, 148 articles is very few so migrating wouldn't be intensive [00:11:12] the biggest issue is always notifying people that their is a move going on when you can't just spam it across the fandom wiki [00:11:51] though with a wiki so small, idk if that'd even do anything (I'm not familiar with how Fandom handles that stuff, whether it's automated or not) [00:12:43] on big wikis Fandom places a specific number of paid "loyalists" into the administration, and they serve as monitors for if the wiki is violating any fandom stuff [00:12:54] the cash cow wikis [00:13:21] Wookiepedia, Nukapedia, Minecraft and Terraria (didn't stop them lmao), etc [00:14:15] on a small wiki maybe they wouldn't even care or notice [00:14:27] source for this claim? [00:15:25] Doesn’t Fandom just spend a lot of money for their wiki’s to be on the first search result [00:15:33] Don't forget the Undertale, Stardew Valley, and Deltarune wikis, since they also moved. [00:15:36] I talked frequently with the Nukapedia staff for a while (great goobers btw), and there was a few admins who were paid by Fandom to be there and monitor, they were open about it too. I could get some names I suppose. [00:16:00] I think if you go on Nukapedia to the staff page they're listed [00:16:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404981878447935558/image.png?ex=689d2ad7&is=689bd957&hm=0e196883e188a451a015ba57ccb351b0b2440e775a9db46e35150d9170132907& [00:16:45] It's an interesting dynamic [00:16:56] because they are genuinely invested in the wiki [00:17:00] they just server as the uh [00:17:04] middle man [00:17:10] between Fandom and the rest of the wiki [00:18:11] I don't think a rep has to be a Fandom bureaucrat, especially on smaller wikis [00:18:21] but a fair few are [00:20:17] [1/2] Ok yeah I just did some searching to see if I was crazy and it does seem like I'm right [00:20:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404982860842139779/image.png?ex=689d2bc1&is=689bda41&hm=25c72b58830c4053d104899f97eb008fa65601e2e35ffa43981d35e3ab7456fa& [00:20:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404982952512852089/image.png?ex=689d2bd7&is=689bda57&hm=ccf70c469a79dbd9627a8d4bfd21dd8d029a82c2ed0b2b315bfbbf2213a915b5& [00:21:29] but since they're paid by Fandom, they're much more loyal to the platform ofc than anyone else is going to be [00:22:49] though since Fandom does keep wikis around (even if they're in a complete state of collapse and disrepair like Minecraft) and since some reps cover multiple wikis, I suppose a move wouldn't mean they'd "lose their work" [00:33:38] (this has been a thing for several years, ever since the GP/Fandom merger) [00:34:18] [1/3] Does anyone know why it isn’t turning into a slideshow but just turns into a normal gallery? [00:34:18] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404986383273033839/IMG_3045.png?ex=689d2f09&is=689bdd89&hm=7645f4fcd8853c5d1b8639e9b7de8c85eccebf6b412b1cd6c141a1bb0e50ddd5& [00:34:18] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404986383751450656/IMG_3047.png?ex=689d2f09&is=689bdd89&hm=a826f9bacd393158adc39241f5f058a4e64fe8ff0772115b3ef0d3a194c09876& [00:34:28] Tagaziel was admin of Fallout Wiki since 2008 [00:34:46] Yeah reps are picked out from active editors and stuff iirc [00:35:04] It is pretty disingenous to say that she was "placed" into that position by Fandom Staff [00:35:17] She was placed into the Fandom Rep role by Fandom [00:35:47] Slideshow need to be in surrounded by `" "` [00:35:51] Yes, but your claim is "on big wikis Fandom places a specific number of paid "loyalists" into the administration [...]" [00:35:58] Which is untrue [00:36:04] check the browser console for errors - presumably the Slideshow uses some JS to do that so it may be not working [00:36:08] They did not place her into the administration [00:37:17] That unfortunately doesn’t fix it either, and I’m able to use gallery modes without these surrounded [00:37:23] What I said stands. Fandom places a certain number of paid administrators into the administration. Even though they almost always begin as ordinary moderators, that is still Fandom placing a certain amount of paid admins into a wiki. [00:37:46] I don't think that's what the word "place" means [00:38:02] [1/2] It gives this, but it gives zero info too [00:38:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404987326853025924/IMG_3050.png?ex=689d2fea&is=689bde6a&hm=f9e3c780305177704d71116f2718c870434d3558f5ec6714011b5f56815f6f17& [00:38:14] link? [00:38:15] Maybe I should go to support [00:38:24] https://blockstarplanet.miraheze.org/wiki/Prefabs [00:38:50] [1/2] maybe clear your cache it works for me [00:38:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404987525373755503/Screenshot_2025-08-13_at_01.38.37.png?ex=689d3019&is=689bde99&hm=c8850bc281ab020a9b22a035fd933f49ea539820173706df800ed32490881639& [00:38:54] They're not placing admins into a wiki, they're ensuring a certain amount are contracted. Part of their obligation is to enforce Fandom policy and rollouts, etc, etc. Many of them are fine and Tag is a nice person. But I have met many who are very loyal to Fandom, either do to be contracted or hacing been on Fandom for many, many years. [00:38:58] hm, okay [00:39:01] weird [00:59:15] the namespaces just turn into "Badtitle" [00:59:23] https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:CambiosRecientes?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hideWikibase=1&limit=1000&days=360&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 [00:59:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404992766160670852/image.png?ex=689d34fa&is=689be37a&hm=32c923428e98756bb780580474bf59c6252ec9c183249efab807e5a19e2e92d0& [01:01:30] i assume that the namespaces were just deleted? [01:01:42] oh fuck [01:01:48] cosmicalpha: all custom namespaces gon [01:02:20] ... looking [01:02:25] I probably broke something [01:02:33] Why does this never happen when testing [01:02:33] potentially [01:02:36] lmeow [01:02:44] it's called testing in production~ [01:02:47] lmao real as fuck [01:03:14] everything works until you want it to™ [01:03:27] Indeed lol [01:06:34] It's all fun and games until you accidentally break something, similar to deleting ``coconut.png``, and if you delete that one file, things will break. [01:07:11] not the coconut /o\ [01:07:27] [1/2] ok so, a page of mine just offed itself for some reason [01:07:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404994728763592784/image.png?ex=689d36ce&is=689be54e&hm=2c34cc912c7f646eee6975fd05ca6c3a3b05c82a38b2cb5b759b2f2d7e43c0ba& [01:07:31] that's TF2, right? [01:07:47] ongoing convo, namespaces are globally fucked atm 🙏 [01:08:03] 💀 [01:09:11] rip [01:09:17] Yup. I also did a [DuckDuckGo](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coconut.png+Team+Fortress+2&ia=web) search on it, and I went into a rabbit hole. [01:09:33] well I hope this means the pages are lost lol [01:09:34] Dang it! [01:10:56] > [13/08/2025 11:09] well I hope this means the pages are lost lol [01:10:57] good luck & best wishes @ whoever's going to have to fix that [01:10:58] > are [01:11:02] (nah, they probably aren't) [01:11:09] CA most likely [01:11:13] well I broke a lot [01:11:30] can imagine that [01:11:33] And im very annoyed that everything worked (or seemed to) in testing [01:11:55] Nothing is lost once cache figures things out it'll come back just so everyone knows. [01:12:29] is there a list? (assuming you're saying that things besides namespaces are also broken) [01:12:35] Yes. [01:13:02] I broke the ability to disable extensions as well so extensions that were disabled because they caused errors now cause errors again. [01:13:56] and more out of caution, the page here one link sent me to a deleted version from last year and I undeleted it to see if it would do anything [01:14:17] would that necessarily override the version and got deleted from the namespace bug or? [01:16:14] I can an edition in a normal page? [01:16:32] [1/3] ah, came to report an issue already being reported oddly enough. here's my experience w/ it [01:16:32] [2/3] various folk on the pizza tower wiki, including me, for whatever reason cannot see this page logged in. but logged out (or at least, in incognito mode), it displays normally... [01:16:32] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1404997014835564687/image.png?ex=689d38ef&is=689be76f&hm=57c351c5eb784aa08a7b71e516415ad22f242ab0b84a94252de704b1d7177e66& [01:16:38] Did someone just remove my entire wikibase from the wiki or something? Because it seems to have just disappeared [01:17:16] different pages but happens on both [01:17:19] i should clarify [01:17:32] ...this is all probably worth something in #announcements [01:17:32] Nothing is lost it's just things dont understand namespaces exist right now. [01:17:59] I seem to have accidentally removed the whole logic that sets namespaces in config. [01:21:05] dont know, I undeleted a deleted version from last year to see if it’d fix anything, it just brought that version back so I deleted it again [01:22:33] One issue is fixed (namespaces) [01:23:34] https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?awawa [01:25:56] I probably need to reset ManageWiki cache on all wikis [01:36:57] Alright second issue with disabled extensions is fixed also. [01:42:32] Are the fixes just taking a long time to propagate fully? I still have the pages on my custom namespace showing as non-existent pages [01:44:07] Yes there are so many wikis that trying to reset cache on all wikis at once is becoming a problem. [01:44:48] Fair enough, just making sure, I'll just be patient then [01:46:38] Maybe we could implement something like $wgMajorSiteNoticeID and have a config variable that invalidates all caches when changed [01:47:03] Not a bad idea at all. [01:52:28] Would hurt a bit to reheat the entire cache at once [01:52:44] a little taste of grafana screams past? [02:04:33] I tried to do it by deleting the cache files on all servers using salt and killed puppet. A variable to do it would probably be good. [02:05:25] I am in the process of fixing all wikis for those who want/need me to fix their wiki early (it will take hours to finish running reset completely) please let me know and I'll do it. [02:07:38] please ping me if so. [02:08:45] @cosmicalpha https://indianajones.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:09:25] Done should come back in a few seconds. [02:09:46] thanks [02:10:22] no problem [02:16:02] Um, I tried changing the favicon of my wiki like two days ago, but it still hasn't changed. [02:16:12] @cosmicalpha @pixldev are either of you able to help [02:16:23] Hello Mirahezeans [02:16:31] Hello [02:18:04] Yo! [02:18:30] I'm getting an internal server error for https://criticalrole.miraheze.org/ and a blank white page for any specific pages [02:22:19] @cosmicalpha related to your work atm? [02:22:28] pix can i have help [02:23:00] [1/2] if it's not too much trouble [02:23:01] [2/2] https://levelsharesquare.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:23:12] yes [02:23:57] idk man [02:24:21] pls [02:25:05] [1/2] i dont know why my favicon is not working [02:25:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405014265412452362/image.png?ex=689d4900&is=689bf780&hm=e3bbda53121ff1417dc1ee3d4640b58328d40f35a82edca953a5a3df013464ad& [02:25:08] done but now we seem to have 503s globally. [02:25:10] i put the same file link in all of the fields [02:25:12] hi friends [02:25:24] $wgAppleTouchIcon, $wgFavicon, $wgIcon, and $wgLogo [02:25:27] oop that's bad [02:25:27] i see you guys already know LOL do you need the error message? [02:25:39] please [02:25:47] [1/2] > Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp37 at Wed, 13 Aug 2025 02:24:50 GMT [02:25:47] [2/2] > Varnish XID 77857147, serving [] [02:25:54] neither do i [02:25:57] if you need my IP let me know [02:26:03] Ah that just fixed it. [02:26:11] oh awesome [02:26:31] [1/2] @cosmicalpha if you don't mind [02:26:32] [2/2] https://www.avid.wiki/Main_Page [02:26:41] guys [02:26:46] how do we make navboxes visible on mobile [02:26:51] Done [02:27:05] Give it 30 seconds to take affect if hasn't already [02:27:20] Thanks 👍 [02:27:26] No problem [02:28:32] can you helps me pls [02:28:37] will fix this one soon. It needs something else to fix. [02:29:28] I need to delete the cache manually for it since when it errors it also won't auto regenerate cache when its expired so thats the issue. The underlying error is already fixed. [02:31:56] Fixed [02:47:53] navboxes are disabled by [[mw:Extension:MobileFrontend]], either rename the css class .navbox to something else or disable mobilefrontend [02:47:59]

[02:51:49] Did anyone else have any of their namespaces wiped? I just found out all of my policy pages and data namespace pages are completely gone [02:53:42] Is there also anyone I can contact to see if a backup exists of these articles? [02:55:14] they're there [02:55:28] namespaces are just being a bit fucky while cache is regenerated [02:55:30] no data is lost [02:56:00] When will they be back? [03:00:38] [1/2] I can't find them on allPages and the RC is displaying them like this [03:00:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405023211996844092/image.png?ex=689d5155&is=689bffd5&hm=45d030521b12ea9d7da0220295ee76f907f43ffd861cd07240746d3fdc8c8bc4& [03:02:48] If you give me your wiki I can fix now [03:03:12] https://ftlmultiverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [03:03:50] done. Should be back in a few seconds. [03:03:56] Thank you [03:04:26] It works now [03:04:31] Scared me though [03:16:44] Did something happen recently? All the Boilerplate pages disappeared and I got something similar with Special:Badtitle [03:17:08] i wonder, when will the photo displaying issue be resolved? [03:17:15] yes im in the process of fixing it for all wikis. [03:17:31] I found a faster way to do it so should be done within the hour now. [03:17:52] [1/3] Hello, is it possible to get these infobox panel buttons to scroll with an arrow instead of a scrollbar? [03:17:52] [2/3] (I know how to hide the scrollbar already) [03:17:53] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405027550631297125/image.png?ex=689d5560&is=689c03e0&hm=03555d8bda4bfaa96e33e3fdda0ce52efa1ae25a7b859b3371a40c9c9c2083c2& [03:18:08] [1/2] By arrow I mean something like this: [03:18:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405027615919702076/image.png?ex=689d556f&is=689c03ef&hm=cb4a6e1f9614b1c5e27e743b826eceb95c5a754d0189e4490ae077de4dc61245& [03:32:45] It looks like two different tab extensions are being used [03:33:16]