[00:13:22] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_support_multiple_languages_on_my_wiki [00:13:22] [2/3] New multi-language guide. [00:13:23] [3/3] If I answered the same question 3 times, I should probably write a guide for it, so here it is. [03:08:07] How do you use identifiers? [03:08:33] hm? [03:08:48] With wikibase. External identifier Properties [03:09:15] Are they just formatted as urls? [03:47:28] [1/3] An editor for a wiki I'm administrating was using BatchUpload ([[mw:Extension:BatchUpload]]) and was suddenly restricted from uploading files, seemingly temporarily. "You are restricted from accessing Miraheze. This may be for a variety of reasons including abuse or automated triggers." For context, this user is using a VPN and anti-DPI tools, and pretty much requires both to access [03:47:29] [2/3] anything on the Internet. [03:47:29] [3/3] Some questions about this: Is the restriction due to the use of VPNs? Will the user be unable to (conveniently) use BatchUpload or other mass-action tools while using VPNs as a result? [03:47:29]

[03:48:48] did they get logged out or smt? [03:48:57] range blocks shouldn't apply logged in [03:49:03] def not to just one type of action [03:49:24] One moment, I'll check logs [03:50:25] No, the user was logged in while using BatchUpload [03:52:16] Might be rate-limited if the user is not an admin/sysop? [03:53:34] I haven't heard of this problem from any other user using BatchUpload; another user very regularly uses BatchUpload and has not reported this issue [03:53:58] though I might ask them if they're also using VPNs or anti-DPI [03:59:19] *any other non-admin/sysop [04:49:24] Hi [04:49:30] May I ask if it is possible now to create independent wikis in various languages like Wikipedia, covering about 350 languages? [04:52:21] independent wikis in different languages [04:52:26] Thanks [04:54:45] you again [04:55:09] what again?? [04:55:46] asking about making 350 wikks [04:56:06] well, can you support 350 self hosted mw instances? [04:56:47] Me?? [04:57:36] Miraheze can support 350 languages mediawiki instances? [04:58:14] Sorry i can little English [04:58:31] you've been told several times you will not be allowed to create 350 wikis on Miraheze cloning Wikipedia [04:58:54] Oh sorrty [04:59:00] Sorry [05:00:20] I'm sure anti-DPI tools aren't get flagged [05:01:20] [1/2] VPN maybe [05:01:20] [2/2] Non-special accounts uploading lots of file at the same time, maybe [05:03:55] About accounts, bot acounts have higher limit, admin and bureaucrat have no rate limit [05:04:54] I must say Tor usage is more restricted than VPN, there's a user permission for it, perhaps he uses it? [05:05:28] anti DPI def shouldn't be a problem [05:06:32] nope, there's only complete blocking when using Tor [05:07:02] The basic User have torunblocked permission [05:07:13] yeah that's what I'm talking about [05:08:18] most likely abuse filter acting up rather than the fact of VPN? [12:29:56] it's almost nostalgic seeing msn come in here with requests like that [12:30:08] which means I need to warn wikioasis because I'm sure that's next [12:30:54] why do they wanna copy wikipedia lol [12:31:37] send them to skywiki for all I care [12:31:40] they would love the attention [12:31:54] anyone who tried to clone wikipedia will go "it will be different/more free/more fair/etc" whatever [12:32:17] if skywiki accepts it then hey, whatever, bully for them [12:32:20] what they actually mean is more worse lol [12:32:32] pretty sure skywiki don't even have a request process [12:32:34] you can just make one [12:32:36] in msn's case it would just be a whole lot of dead wikis [12:32:39] spam basically [12:32:49] believe it or not he was once a wiki reviewer [12:33:06] needless to say this was in a more accepting time for our queue [12:33:15] welp [12:33:17] and yes, skywiki has blind approval, perhaps there is a filter but yeah [12:33:28] I think the filter is just more than 150 chars [12:33:53] I am pretty sure 350 wikis would be a nightmare to set up if it was done as a farm [12:34:08] At that point, they would be better off buying a VPS and self hosting [12:34:17] I mean [12:34:20] 350 dead wikis [12:34:24] hardly any traffic [12:34:26] just a shit ton of data [12:35:03] the weight of hosting all those instances on a vps would probably drive them out of business even if it was stale [12:35:17] I mean, enwiki is TBs with all revs [12:35:42] Even BuyVM charge a lot for that sort of data [12:35:44] less in data storage and more just mundane running, and rendering once the spam waves find it [12:36:03] now if it was open to edit without adequate spam protection, hooboi [12:36:22] I ended up locking down to allowed editors only due to spam [12:36:24] I mean wikioasis uses about 35gb including images [12:36:30] and we have just over 200 wikis [12:36:37] you have not yet experienced a major wiki [12:36:46] ik [12:36:52] the biggest we have is about 11gb of images [12:37:05] I think we still have a few that exceed 100gb littered here and there [12:37:11] although most of those have been or are on the way out [12:37:24] and even avid isn't one of them iirc [12:37:34] surprising [12:37:37] Hm, the Taerel wiki is what.. 14 MB for its database [12:37:39] avid seems quite big in my mind [12:37:51] oh it's nearing 100 for sure [12:38:05] and the media heavy traffic is painful [12:38:30] agent can attest to a project he ran earlier on having a handful of quiet wikis and then suddenly avid for which he had to provision heavyweight custom servers [12:38:50] mywikis could not handle the transition when it was attempted [12:41:28] man remember when mywikis person started advertising around here [12:41:29] So, for a 50 TB block storage slab (50 USD a month) + 7 Cores @ 3.50+ GHz 28 GB Memory 560 GB SSD Unlim. 1000 Mbps ($105.00 month) would be 155 USD a month for En Wikipedia (these are BuyVM, a cheap VM site's prices) [12:42:00] I don't think you'd need such over the top server specs [12:42:06] depends how much traffic you're seeing [12:42:18] Context: Someone wanted to host 350 lang wikis [12:42:22] no I know [12:42:22] but [12:42:33] if combined they only get 10k requests each a day [12:42:39] See this [12:42:40] you don't need such a bstrong cpu [12:42:50] yeah you'd have that [12:43:10] they got way way way more than 10k requests a day [12:43:14] Also, they would be paying a LOT for block storage slabs [12:43:21] oh I thought we were still on avid, nvm [12:43:25] the block storage is the expensive stuff [12:44:00] IDK about other Wikipedia sizes but that may triple or more the needs [12:44:04] netcup which I use for hosting do 8tb for about $100 [12:44:06] so like [12:44:15] wikipedia minus images is an infinitely more realistic if bland proposal than plus images, I would not even attempt plus images, but I have considered getting a personal full snapshot of wikipedia to host at home [12:44:39] BuyVM's prices are $50/5 TB. [12:45:04] can people even get buyvm very easily, every time I've looked they've been out of stock for budget options [12:45:07] so fairly similar price [12:45:07] the funniest thing about Wikipedia clones is that they'll never get even a small fraction of Wikipedia's traffic/attention/acknowledgement [12:45:14] Also, if I remembre right, CC-BY-SA auttubution would be a pain without the full revs [12:45:31] I kept trying. [12:45:55] This is very true. [12:47:22] Like, also, if they tried to rehost Wikipedia's and did not auttbrue propler as needed by CC-BY-SA they could have copyright problems [12:47:49] how do the wikipedia mirrors operate [12:47:54] do they run mediawiki or just cache wp [12:48:27] Also, how often does that guy bug Miraheze about his 350 wikis? [12:49:03] you guys use managewiki/createwiki too? [12:49:06] he's been on about it since before I joined in 2021 [12:49:16] wikioasis uses managewiki/createwiki ye [12:49:28] FACT: 99% of all edits are hoarded by 1% of editors. [12:49:39] true [12:49:45] I'm sure a few more percentages can go to spam and vandalism and all that [12:49:54] harej's edit count on wikidata terrifies me [12:50:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405534100273758289/image.png?ex=689f2d23&is=689ddba3&hm=ed7280a212c574fb2541c953e4be43871707ea3c708576e5a7a3ff4e259a180a& [12:50:44] I never understand wikidata ngl [12:50:52] "just a few" [12:51:03] like some of the data is useful but I've never had a use case for it [12:51:15] hoooo boy homestuck wiki on telepedia [12:51:21] Ive used it for research a few times. [12:51:46] I’ve found information on Japanese folklorists I couldn’t find anywhere else lol [12:58:58] watching grafana gives me a headache because I then worry the metrics are not close enough to what I should expect [13:10:16] I've actually been rethinking that one [13:10:56] i tried to read it in 2011 and fell asleep [13:11:21] very early on [13:11:31] i need to do a deeper dive into what it actually is I only had a quick look [13:11:32] never touched otherwise or looked into fandom [13:50:46] How many "Wikipedia clone" requests do you get? [16:31:22] So, so many [16:33:13] The overwhelming majority are declined. [16:34:13] are we still hosting indonesian wp tho? [16:35:24] that's the only exception i can remember, legit part of wp just not self-hosted? [16:38:40] I don't recall, I know they used to straight-up pay for a server but I think that's over. [17:07:24] Forking with extra steps? [17:08:37] E.g. "I want to rewrite wikipedia articles but with through the viewpoint of a farmer in the midwest" "I want a wikipedia but if it was written by dogs" [17:09:11] Materially same content but with a twist. [17:09:27] It's... unfortunately common [17:09:34] What if we made wikipdia, but every artcle included Ben Affleck [17:09:42] Yeah I saw a guy suggesting that here just a few weeks ago [17:09:53] Wikipedia but it’s written from the perspective of a 15 year old [17:09:56] Unfortunately not too dissimilar from some of the real one's we've gotten [17:10:07] wikipedia but it's written on miraheze [17:10:32] wikipedia but for all the things they won't let on wikipedia, like the sandwich I made last week. [17:10:38] Wikipedia but it's copied onto an A4 sheet of paper dipped in water and then translated back online [17:11:00] wikipedia but I put it through google translate 72 times would be fire actually [17:11:09] Wikipedia but all the letters are backwards [17:11:10] we should make an exception for that one [17:11:31] pediawiki,, the wiki about... feet? [17:11:40] No. Banned. [17:11:43] Wikipedia, in Na'vi or in Ayledoom or in Qunya [17:11:52] now that's just discrimination [17:12:02] Uh, why would there be a feet wiki? [17:12:10] We get quite a few requests for "I want to rewrite wikipedia but in my conlang", which is a whole thing. [17:12:13] i can't believe i have to fight for principles whilst making myself look like a footlover [17:12:39] Tbh a conlang worldbuilding wiki would be cool [17:12:41] We've actually had to boot a few for various reasons, mostly being a filedump for fetish images. [17:13:05] That part, yes. Just rewriting wikipedia in a language nobody else can read, less so. [17:13:06] booting them is good for the feet wiki. [17:13:39] Supised no wikis in BSL or Makaton yet [17:18:39] A wiki in Makaton would be posable I think besides the whole copyright issue around the signs/sybols and the fact it would probly7 be a pain as you would probly have to upload each sybol and use images [17:19:23] You could use a custom font if they can easily map into UTF-8 characters [17:20:07] Tbh I kinda see a wiki like that as useful for Special Needs Ed (to help teach useful skills) [17:21:38] (sadly, never got taught to change a bed though in my school. Manaar) [17:45:13] hi! a user on my wiki is requesting that i restrict access to special:listusers to those that have an account. i'm still thinking about whether or not to do it, but i'm looking into how and i can't really find anything. how do i do this? it won't give me the option to protect the page [17:46:14] mediawiki isn't built with that kind of access control in mind, so the answer is that you don't [17:46:29] The answer is no you don't [17:46:43] gotcha, thanks [17:46:45] even if you did, due to the global nature of Miraheze accounts, it would be rather moot anyway [17:55:59] another question, for adding an icon, i see File:Icon.png is a global file when viewed on my wiki. if i upload my own Icon.png will that cause issues? i assume not but i'm a little paranoid haha [17:56:41] No issues [17:56:48] awesome [17:56:48] It will override and use the local one [17:58:45] I'm having a problem where certain CSS variables are simply not getting declared (according to Inspect) despite me declaring them in Common.css [17:59:36] `!important` not used? [17:59:37] have you done the cache cleansing rituals [18:00:25] I didn't use that [18:00:32] Oh I've done them several times [18:01:28] Oh [18:01:29] Oh nvm [18:01:36] But I have some other issues along with it [18:01:41] Hold on [18:03:01] (my dumbahh forgot I was using Auto and hadn't declared the variables using the media queries) [18:08:34] Funny how I coincidentally figured out the solution to most of my problems right after asking for help [18:08:37] Thanks anyway [18:10:16] you're welcome [18:10:23] skye magic strikes again [18:10:53] (sorry, but I'm claiming all credit for the phenomenon where people figure out the answer right after asking) [18:12:34] Yeah I gotta attribute it to you, I've been trying to figure this shit out for hours. [18:31:01] ^q^ [18:42:31] [1/3] Why can I not view things in slideshow? And no, it’s not a caching problem, because even on incognito mode on chrome it doesn’t show up as slideshow. https://blockstarplanet.miraheze.org/wiki/Worlds [18:42:31] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1405622632103018526/IMG_3176.png?ex=689f7f96&is=689e2e16&hm=293d1de9cb111607ace795367852bf875a04076173e13b4fcc024de5a62f19fb& [18:42:31]