[00:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> In the VisualEditor, yeah.
[01:00:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dan_.kogh> yo, how can i delete my wiki
[01:02:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [1/2] hey yall, anyone know why these <math> bits are doing full paragraph breaks?
[01:02:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406080627597639701/image.png?ex=68a12a21&is=689fd8a1&hm=83a645df9ab2d84c598d87ddaa4946008b0270385ec9fcfeb5a5b5f208d58b18&
[01:03:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [1/2] `to the order of &nbsp;<math>T^{16}/math&nbsp; as compared to &nbsp;<math display="inline">T^{4}/math&nbsp; `
[01:03:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [2/2] In defiance of non-breaking space markers?
[01:11:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to jormungandrrrr> It was reported in https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13887 and never resolved, unfortunately.
[01:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406083187657932850/any-chance-of-getting-shocked-sonic-restored-v0-uty53irlqs4a1.webp?ex=68a12c83&is=689fdb03&hm=30b33a3a03089277ffc828b0a59c76aa2230dfbd07ecd02164106299ee9d33fa&
[01:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr, replying to posix_memalign> Is there a workaround?
[01:13:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to dan_.kogh> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/(Un)deletions
[01:13:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to jormungandrrrr> Not that I know of.
[01:14:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> It says something about blockquotes, although I'm not sure I even have those on this page
[01:14:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [1/3] Elsewhere I have the phrase:
[01:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [2/3] `<math>R_\textrm{eq}/math, and at its pole, <math>R_\textrm{pol}/math, called the [[oblateness]],`
[01:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [3/3] which is working correctly
[01:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr, replying to posix_memalign> Oh, they're not in blockquotes if that changes anything
[01:19:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I'm not sure. I would care about this issue a lot more if it affects a wiki I'm on, but unforutnately that is not the case.
[01:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> It renders properly in visual editor but not after saving, don't quite get it
[01:21:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] It's working fine in my sandbox
[01:21:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406085442784198739/image.png?ex=68a12e9d&is=689fdd1d&hm=3c8b7d08062b3fb70e855d80db3f72edf64966ddecc12b34376b18ad37be9078&
[01:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> The blockquote issue is reproducible on other wikis, though
[01:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [1/2] It's working elsewhere in the wiki, I have no idea what's going on with these specific bits
[01:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406086618149818368/image.png?ex=68a12fb5&is=689fde35&hm=836294d4c1080712bf108ceb0b47fb446fade597a4cef2017af2ea38f628cf59&
[01:26:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406086663460884661/image.png?ex=68a12fc0&is=689fde40&hm=92152f912a5328df36b5a2ecdccce8141ec472f6887034e5b7d81853006fee33&
[01:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [1/2] copy pasting from that other part into this paragraph caused the same issue, is it a paragraph setting?
[01:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406087119507558531/image.png?ex=68a1302d&is=689fdead&hm=e7ee3aba746ec646fceca9831393ea53b9f41291b331fb45f1c79529e2f3a845&
[01:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> Yep, it appears to have been an extra image stuck to the end of the paragraph
[01:31:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jormungandrrrr> It would seem that if you move an image in visual editor it attaches itself to the end of the paragraph preceding it
[01:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> [1/2] I have this thing https://evolutionism.miraheze.org/wiki/Item:Q85820 and the property https://evolutionism.miraheze.org/wiki/Property:P43 and it has no link but wikidata runs its thing like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9682 with the property https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2600 and the value 6000000003075071669
[01:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> [2/2]  and it is clickable as https://www.geni.com/profile/index/6000000003075071669 so how would I do something like this on my wikibase?
[01:44:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/3] Tried to fix this issue on steward requests but I somehow created some extra spaces...
[01:44:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406091297168822302/image.png?ex=68a13411&is=689fe291&hm=588d12e60743be5dbc982e97a49632becfae28264ca0e98ffe1819b584474955&
[01:44:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406091297843974275/image.png?ex=68a13411&is=689fe291&hm=14414b8d04fd9df47da6026293eb7955125a1dff67c85f85d44d51fcb6a45f51&
[01:49:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Can't even reproduce this on a sandbox. Very weird.
[01:56:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] Two pages with identical source code, but there's an extra paragraph in the one of the left. Might be a namespace-specific parser problem?
[01:56:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406094148028862484/image.png?ex=68a136b8&is=689fe538&hm=5fbe8d4d3865ed6edda0f5a7c3d284c736b82cb0c6369ba3fb6bd5bdfe32fc47&
[02:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] Apparently this only happens with selflinks in a table. Somehow I've been running into lots of MediaWiki quirks recently.
[02:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406097126177374258/image.png?ex=68a1397e&is=689fe7fe&hm=810bd7a7d724ba79c8bfd2d008459273473423eb8a3fcaa598995102b823a888&
[02:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> [1/5] I don't think there are many wikibase experts around here. Compare these two
[02:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> [2/5] https://evolutionism.miraheze.org/wiki/Property:P43
[02:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> [3/5] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2600
[02:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> [4/5] In particular, this property
[02:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406097834045997146/image.png?ex=68a13a27&is=689fe8a7&hm=7a491ecfdfc8aac65ab9f6a6a8b5c5d9c1983d38e6ec03fa64fb9d400c946de7&
[02:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to posix_memalign> So formatter url is the thing. The url match pattern I think is something I do not need to do. But the formatter url property is not built into wikibase right?
[02:24:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> So, continuing that conversation from earlier about some guy trying to import all Wikipedias, if a Miraheze wiki is constantly copying content (with or without attribution) from an independent wiki and making pretty much no content of their own, is that grounds for closure
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I know it's not specified in the policies, I'm just wondering what was historically done with these wikis
[02:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kamidere> I'm not sure. I've never used wikibase before (besides editing wikidata a few times).
[02:37:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to kockaadmiralac> Are you talking about Librepedia?
[02:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I'm not talking about any wiki in particular, I'm talking about Miraheze's policies
[02:40:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> The Content Policy does not forbid wikis that are just acting as mirrors for other wikis, as far as I can see
[02:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> With no attribution and when that violates the source license that is absolutely grounds for closure. With attribution/following source license it becomes trickier and may not be grounds for closure.
[02:41:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Even with attribution though it can also depend.
[02:41:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Mm I see
[02:43:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Well I do have a particular wiki in mind and the attribution is lacking in several places (not completely lacking) but I guess I'll send an email to T&S to resolve that
[02:45:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> T&S is the appropriate place in that case yes. We will look into that. If they continually copy and paste new changes on the wiki while failing to add any attribution at all that shows an issue and a pattern as well.
[05:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Do you need to request for TLS 1.2 connections to be enabled again if you change a wiki's domain?
[05:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Because I'm encountering that issue on AWB again
[06:17:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bitbyte10> probably
[07:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572> wait is Miraheze shutting down? Or did I just fall for false information
[07:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> ??? false info
[07:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> or old news
[07:11:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to shoumsoun572> ?? it does not
[07:11:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to shoumsoun572> what did you write in google to get that?
[07:11:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> extremely old news, from 2023, miraheze is alive and kicking like never before
[07:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572, replying to bluemoon0332> I was trying to look for an old wiki that I created that was owned by the account that I accidentally got locked out of
[07:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hm
[07:12:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572> Also I should have looked closer i saw the date
[07:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572> 💀
[07:12:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> was it private or public?
[07:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> your wiki
[07:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I sent it to private because I was gonna abandoned it, but then I somehow lost the account after I was cleaning up some e-mail accounts that I wasn't using
[07:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572> So I don't have the e-mail address to the account
[07:13:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> chances are very slim then
[07:14:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yeah I'm just gonna create a new one
[07:14:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> searching miraheze on google for me returns one of those AI-generated questions that say "Why is Miraheze shutting down", with a link from darkwitchwiki back from 2023 😳
[07:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572> And actually think about how they do stuff like templates
[07:15:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bluemoon0332> fuck google lmao
[07:16:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> talk about bad seo lmao
[07:16:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shoumsoun572, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> More like fuck google ai responses
[07:17:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406174897763516568/20250816_09h12m36s_grim.png?ex=68a181ed&is=68a0306d&hm=c342e080ceec04dd44711a1e70edb42788120ce0b52b9877f97578942c7e10f1&
[07:17:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> google search itself became trash
[07:17:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> getting your site to show up in google is 9 circles of hell
[07:21:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> image reverse search is in shambles
[07:24:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to bluemoon0332> (yes, I'm still in the process of configuring sway for capturing snippets)
[07:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to shoumsoun572> ain't that the truth
[07:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> it's pretty bad that people might be getting that ai response just for searching Miraheze on google
[07:26:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> I wonder if there's something that can be done or if we're just powerless against our new AI overlords
[07:29:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> people googled a lot about shutdown
[07:29:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> so it became top question?
[07:30:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> probably
[07:30:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> but like, it's not true anymore
[07:30:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> and if you don't read the small text indicating that that's from 2023 you might believe it is shutting down August of this year
[07:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah exactly
[07:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> this is unfair/dumb
[07:32:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's no way to get their ass for misinformation and tarnished reputation isn't it
[07:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> best they can do is allowing you to fill out a feedback form on their AI answers and leaving you with the false hope it will influence the AI in some way
[08:07:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I've asked the local crat to delete or add NOINDEX to the page to hopefully get this misinformation off Google
[08:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> But indeed anything produced by Google FAQ shouldn't really be trusted
[08:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to kockaadmiralac> [1/3] `The Content Policy does not forbid wikis that are just acting as mirrors for other wikis, as far as I can see`
[08:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to kockaadmiralac> [2/3] Is is not true. It's not called mirroring, but forking.
[08:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to kockaadmiralac> [3/3] See: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy#Forks
[08:26:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> `Wikis with the same or a substantially similar topic to another existing Miraheze wiki are not allowed.`
[08:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> `Forks of Wikimedia Foundation-hosted projects are not allowed.`
[08:28:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] It is therefore clearly defined in the Content Policy, that you cannot mirror wikis from the Wikimedia Foundation (Such as Wikipedia)
[08:28:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] And you can not fork/split wikis from Miraheze, without explicit permission from the original community on that wiki.
[08:31:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> well it doesn't have to be explicit permission from the community, it can also be from Stewards in case of differences between the two communities that can't be resolved
[08:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to reception123> I stand corrected.
[08:32:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> since it says "If you have a legitimate reason to create a wiki on a similar or identical topic, please reach out to Stewards who will assess your case and may grant an exemption if deemed necessary."
[08:35:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to rodejong> I'm not talking about forking
[08:36:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> The wiki in question forked a long time ago but then continued to import pages from the source wiki
[08:37:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> That is still forking (Though I am not a native English speaker)
[08:37:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Forking is not a one time action at the start. It's ongoing
[08:37:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> @reception123 ?
[08:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Yeah, forking isn't necessarily a single one time action
[08:39:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> But I'm not talking just about forking, I'm talking about the fact they are still adding no content of their own
[08:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> but a wiki sharing content with another isn't necessarily forking either, it depends on how much, etc.
[08:40:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Wikiwand.org is such a Mirror Wiki. It copies everything from Wikipedia
[08:40:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Thats what we do not allow.
[08:41:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> We view that as forking
[08:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> wikiwand.org redirects me to malware I don't think that's what you meant
[08:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> erm... let me check
[08:42:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://www.wikiwand.com/
[08:43:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> wikiwand.com isn't a wiki, and the revision history still links out to Wikipedia
[08:43:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It used to be.
[08:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I do remember wikiwand being a different-looking wikipedia. Just reskinned content without all the AI.
[08:45:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://web.archive.org/web/20140822053126/http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Nasa
[08:45:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to posix_memalign> Exactly
[08:45:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It was the content, but used different css/js etc
[08:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://en.wikisage.org/ is such a wiki though
[08:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> They copy articles from Wikipedia, and enhance it in their view
[08:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] But back to the core: 
[08:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] Forking creates problems for original wikis. It confuses users (which is original) and the origional authors might feel hard done by.
[08:51:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to rodejong> Yeah that's more of what I meant, except that Wikisage apparently still links out to Wikipedia when a page is mostly from Wikipedia
[08:51:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i used to get wikiwand results in google a lot
[08:52:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to kockaadmiralac> True. Often they are also articles, not deemed worthy /notable enough to keep on Wikipedia, and likely get deleted.
[08:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> They put a lot of work in ther SEO indeed
[08:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Funnily enough Fandom used to host one of the 'marked for deletion on Wikipedia' wikis
[08:53:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to kockaadmiralac> They are all rejected Wikipedians, or Wikipedians with bad standing.
[08:53:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I forgot what it was called
[11:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Speedy Deletion wiki I think?
[11:54:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Yeah that one
[12:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to kockaadmiralac> Fwiw I agree that this is no longer forking, and we shouldn’t be encouraging it — if they are not adding  any content if their own and just copying the original wiki then something should be done and it should be closed.
[13:59:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/2] https://skibidi-toilet.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Pdtblue/Moving_Away_From_Fandom
[13:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/2] that's big
[13:59:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to kockaadmiralac> Yeah, I remember that too, the Articles 4 Deletion/A4D/AFD Wiki or something along with those lines
[14:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to posix_memalign> tbh, at one point, I had a phase where I used wikiwand cuz I liked the UI personally
[14:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <georgios12345> Hello, I am trying to revive an old deleted wiki I had and I can't. I also can't create it as a new wiki, the creation page does nothing when I press submit. Can someone please help me revive it? My username is MavropaliasG and the name of the wiki was Eurekia
[14:32:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <georgios12345> I don't care about the content, just the name and address
[14:32:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <georgios12345> eurekia.miraheze.org
[15:19:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to georgios12345> You need to [request a new wiki ](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWiki)
[16:55:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to justleafy2003> It's really just one wiki though
[16:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Unless I've missed something
[16:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> We did get into contact with INVIZ (the company that manages the Skibidi Toilet brand) and they've expressed their support for the fork and will consider the Miraheze Wiki as their default.
[16:57:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> So that's one good thing we've got going for us
[17:03:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> niceee
[17:10:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Congrats
[17:37:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in> Question, how would I go about showing external videos on my wiki? We have a video database that we want to have up on the wiki, but it’s a lot more difficult to update the wiki with constantly uploading videos whenever a new video game patch update occurs, so we want to use external video links stored on Github instead, but it seems that they’re blocked
[17:41:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to lynn.in> [1/2] GitHub (surprisingly) isn't on our CSP, so you'll have to make a task on [[Phorge]] for it to be reviewed.
[17:41:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to lynn.in> [2/2] Are the videos on gh or are you just querying the links for the videos from there?
[17:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[17:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in> the videos are stored in a github repo yes
[17:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wanted to suggest EmbedVideo extension but github :ThinkerMH:
[17:41:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in> the files themselves
[17:47:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> yeah then you'll have to make a task for it
[18:22:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Hi guys, I'm trying to help a recently forked wiki which moved to wiki.gg and I'm wondering if the Miraheze seo guide can be replicated on wiki.gg or if there's one specific to wiki.gg?
[18:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to bitbyte10> [1/2] It's a big and popular wiki though 
[18:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to bitbyte10> [2/2] Congratulations on forking! Maybe more wikis move out
[18:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] afaik wiki.gg does not use the WikiSEO extension, so our guide is largely inapplicable there
[18:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/SEO
[18:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> iirc wiki.gg will gove you access to google analytics but not to google search console
[18:39:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wiki.gg subdomain already well supported in google
[18:43:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Alright guys, thank you so much
[18:44:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Can confirm
[18:46:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> From my experience, fandom still overpowers wiki.gg, but it shouldn't be a concern for this particular wiki as they're planning for the devs to help take down the fandom wiki
[18:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to posix_memalign> Wait it is AI now? lol
[18:51:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Me watching my Miraheze Wiki not appear on the first page of search results:
[18:54:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bitbyte10> this is because your main page isn't titled Official Skibidi Toilet Wiki :3
[18:54:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> failing that, The Skibidi Toilet Wiki
[18:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Might slap on that Official tag after a bit more talking
[18:56:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i feel like at least main page needs to be different from fandom version
[18:57:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i think it helped pizza tower wiki at first (google fucked us later after custom domain change tho, but fuck google, once again)
[18:58:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> best time to get a custom domain will always be "a month ago"
[18:59:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> custom domains in general will have a harder time, miraheze.org domain still has some rep
[18:59:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> my other wiki got custom domain very early on
[18:59:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Hmm yeah, we will need to work on that
[18:59:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> If only my fellow admins helped me out more ( @pdtblue 👀 )
[19:00:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> This is targeted
[19:01:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> would you like to file a harassment complaint
[19:01:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [1/3] Also, I like ricing wikis - I am not great at desktop ricing but better at wiki ricing
[19:01:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406352190599204945/Screenshot_from_2025-08-16_19-59-55.png?ex=68a2270a&is=68a0d58a&hm=2b590f3e9bddd508ddfb5edb229fffdfa26624cba99d173901900daab3ae17ff&
[19:01:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406352191236734996/Screenshot_from_2025-08-16_19-59-02.png?ex=68a2270b&is=68a0d58b&hm=899cd3bcaae4181680ad93ea5e53512873d7145e638d04272dbf52c6a2fce10f&
[19:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> what's ricing?
[19:03:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to bitbyte10> Check out /r/unixporn
[19:04:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> for april fools i'm gonna disable CSS globally on miraheze
[19:04:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to eytirth> Ahh thx
[19:04:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Die Buddy Extension
[19:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to bitbyte10> Tbh ricing wikis is fun (and desktops as well_
[19:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to pskyechology> Also make Mask the default skin everyone has to use
[19:05:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to pskyechology> That would be a pain
[19:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to amelialoveheart> Ewww, mask
[19:05:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Also, jelous of Pizza Tower, Wiki.gg and Terriana wiki CSS
[19:06:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> the cool part is that you can 'steal" it :3
[19:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to pskyechology> What is your "WIki" tag?
[19:07:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Would slapping on "Official" really help out my wiki tho?
[19:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> wikipedia server
[19:07:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> And well, yes., I could but well, lisnaing issues
[19:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bitbyte10> apparently? wiki.gg seo guide seems to claim so
[19:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> interesting...
[19:07:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to pskyechology> I aways thought wikipedia was too burucatic
[19:08:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> There’s an entire section of Wikipedia too silly for general audiences.
[19:08:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> making wiki pages is not my kind of drift anyway
[19:08:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> im here for blowing stuff up
[19:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I mostly fix typos
[19:09:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I do basically everything.
[19:09:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> But most of all fix my own mistakes 😭
[19:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> tfw operation I thought was gonna take a day tops is taking a week.
[19:09:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [1/2] My Miraheze page is ranking below a PDF I'm killing myself
[19:09:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406354271536156743/image.png?ex=68a228fb&is=68a0d77b&hm=8142627aec32b95ca87997a200f4cef04410e892d9c49b276ea5fea485c3e68e&
[19:09:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I tend to stick with categories, links, and all minor fixes
[19:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> wait no
[19:10:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> That's not even my wiki
[19:10:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> 😭
[19:10:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> “Skibidi Saga”?
[19:10:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> That's like an older duplicate
[19:10:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to bitbyte10> My wiki ranks I think first on "Taerel" and 2nd or 3rd on "Taerel WIki"
[19:10:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to amelialoveheart> Fanmade AU
[19:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> uhh
[19:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> How long is it gonna take for the wiki's pages to index?
[19:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Took mine months
[19:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Because I straight up see a lot of them missing
[19:12:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Uhh I don’t check anymore but usually not that long afaik
[19:12:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue, replying to bitbyte10> Is he fool?
[19:12:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> And how long does it usually take for a wiki to get added to the Indie Wiki Buddy extension?
[19:13:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> I did send a request just now
[19:13:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bitbyte10> this will take time ...
[19:13:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bitbyte10> whenever the guy maintaining can
[19:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> dude's doing god's work
[19:14:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bitbyte10> can you make a github issue so i can speed up the process
[19:15:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> Oh yeah sure
[19:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> In SuperHamster we trust
[19:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> love the guy hes epic
[19:16:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> https://github.com/KevinPayravi/indie-wiki-buddy/issues/1248
[19:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> he's sponsoring miraheze ❤️
[19:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> cheers
[19:16:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pskyechology> a:hearts:
[19:16:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i love u kevin
[19:18:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> fr? wow
[19:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406356626478465054/image.png?ex=68a22b2c&is=68a0d9ac&hm=e7d5d9df028ac8b5a445900fc53494367fec6d2ac272ccd5fa153fc124ce6a44&
[19:19:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i meant sponsorship
[19:19:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah
[19:19:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> awesome sauce
[19:19:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i jate github
[19:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Wiki
[19:21:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wiki
[19:21:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> wiki
[19:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> https://tenor.com/view/trg-reactor-roblox-subspace-state2-gif-17358718033272378938
[19:26:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> ^ he has a case of minor skibidi syndrome
[19:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue, replying to bitbyte10> No
[19:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> @bitbyte10 can you pass me a uhhhhh 16x16 png of the image/favicon you want indiewikibuddy to use
[19:32:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> @pdtblue Diddy ahh blud send him the favicon
[19:32:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> her*
[19:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> My bad
[19:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> sentencing you to 700 hours of youtube kids
[19:33:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> nooooo curse you gendered pronouns!!!!
[19:34:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> this is why everyone will be forced to learn finnish
[19:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bitbyte10> Portuguese and Spanish hiiiiii
[19:34:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue, replying to bitbyte10> One sec
[19:35:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to pixldev> tell me the gender of the word "pixel"
[19:35:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> I'm a Bangladeshi and Bangla also lacks gendered pronouns.
[19:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> I'm way ahead of the game
[19:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> superb
[19:35:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pskyechology> Um
[19:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I need to see what the word is first LOL
[19:35:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I would guess masc
[19:35:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406360846346747944/image0.jpg?ex=68a22f1a&is=68a0dd9a&hm=95ff0f5c172ee74684f96a65709bef24dac667bbb749f48da9e497f7db9ba1c4&
[19:35:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to pixldev> correct
[19:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Shit why isnt it 16x16
[19:35:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> One second
[19:35:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Let me resize
[19:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406361237691957399/faviconbetter.png?ex=68a22f77&is=68a0ddf7&hm=8c2d9d6f386ff43f87850db6bc35683e8ecae7c796224aaccbfd3e6f972e275b&
[19:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> tiny
[19:41:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mister__pepper, replying to pixldev> -# 0/10 siri uses chatgpt now 🥀
[19:43:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mister__pepper> -# also JPG by default 🥀
[19:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> It looks like after around 6 hours I will have finally actually completed the mass operations with my wikibase. This was way way more painful than I anticipated but it seems to be finally properly working.
[19:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> I ran into so many problems and had to do so much data correction, but I am finally finished that I think.
[19:47:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> What are you doing with it?
[19:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> It is a mythical genealogy. Converting from a gedcom file. My main issue is that I had an extremely large amount of errors in the conversion, and needed to run a large amount of correction scripts. And some of the correction scripts did not work on some individuals due to other errors I was not aware of.
[19:51:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pdtblue> @pskyechology I assume you're doing one of those "pull requests" or whatever?
[19:51:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bitbyte10> yes https://github.com/KevinPayravi/indie-wiki-buddy/pull/1249
[19:51:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i love free green squares
[19:51:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> is your wiki big?
[19:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> Yeah.
[19:52:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> How many pages?
[19:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> oh boy i should do more iwb prs, ts is easy
[19:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> brb causing CoI issues by only doing them for miraheze wikis
[19:56:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> How long will the code approximately take to be in effect?
[19:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Man I should really start trying to understand GitHub
[19:56:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bitbyte10> whenever the beloved hamster merges it
[19:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> pull requests are just that, requests, to merge your code in
[19:57:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> [1/2] I am not sure how many pages, because wikibase does not properly display the amount of pages. I think I have about 1,000 actual pages, but wikibase goes up to Q153717. However there are massive gaps in the QIDs. 
[19:57:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> [2/2] There are 30,000 QIDs that were created from glitches which I am in the process of merging.
[19:57:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> Blessed be the hamster
[19:58:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> What kind of word count?
[19:58:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> How do I do it?
[19:59:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> I export the pages and run a some code
[19:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I do not need acess to your wiki as I can do it with a dump, that I can make myself
[19:59:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> Okay. https://evolutionism.miraheze.org
[20:00:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> What is this?
[20:00:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> The wiki
[20:00:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Sorry, I just never heard of the wiki's topic
[20:01:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> Understandable
[20:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> What is the mythical geneology?
[20:03:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> From the first Eukaryote to the British and Japanese royal families (and a ton of other people who are related to them, but I am limiting my scope to just the main lines since I do not want to include 10 million people.
[20:03:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [1/2] Peak citation
[20:03:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406367812384981133/image.png?ex=68a23597&is=68a0e417&hm=4f476a7ea0765ed021704aee87fa359a24f9b7b9cbe83f1de9400f17ae1267a0&
[20:03:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> LMFAO
[20:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> 1,99,805 words
[20:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> @kamidere https://www.transfernow.net/dl/plaintext the plaintext of your wiki, I can give you an XML if you want as well
[20:29:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to eytirth> I think I’m good. Isn’t it just xml export of full current revision of mainspace minus xml stuff?
[20:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to kamidere> XML of the current revs, I DMed you the plaintext and wordcount
[20:59:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> oh my god, this is deep :o
[21:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to ahappyoreo> wiki
[21:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> it is certainly one of the wikis ever made 👀
[21:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad> If an osc wiki migrates to miraheze (mainly about the bfdi and ii wikis for example) would it be allowed?
[21:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to 3arthad> Hmm. Didn't you ask this question 2 weeks ago and got a response?
[22:02:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> bfdi has a very hard hill to climb and I realistically wouldn't recommend
[22:29:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad, replying to posix_memalign> Yes i did, but it said "in general".
[22:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad> I believe it means most of the time.
[22:29:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad> and i asked about a particular wiki
[22:31:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> A wiki migrating in can be assessed on a case-by-case basis, but as Raidarr said, it's a pretty high bar to cross here given the track record of previous wikis on the topic.
[22:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad, replying to notaracham> [1/2] I mean yeah
[22:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <3arthad, replying to notaracham> [2/2] but the wiki has good moderation though