[00:03:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] The entire farm is down?
[00:03:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416574976731123792/image.png?ex=68c757c1&is=68c60641&hm=8d0bfe6b4f41dd55d3ee366a7c2273d910b93fd90c2c37154eab92b8d5c748d7&
[00:04:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <patred> Wtf happened
[00:04:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I think I beat Icinga to sending this https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/808001911868489748/1416575031332573277
[00:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qingloong19> [1/2] What happened? I was saving my edits, but it turned into this, and I can’t open my homepage either.
[00:05:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qingloong19> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416575497478995988/2025-09-13_5.04.24.png?ex=68c7583d&is=68c606bd&hm=3804e789709d1d5d16f709642c1f016b49e4a835b3b18d7931a4a99c210d5459&
[00:05:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to patred> Someone will try to resolve it soon.
[00:05:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <battadia, replying to qingloong19> Wiki exploded
[00:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qingloong19, replying to battadia> ohh okay
[00:05:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to qingloong19> Just keep the browser tab open. Once Miraheze is up, refresh the page.
[00:06:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <battadia, replying to posix_memalign> Where can we see this? Or is that not for public view
[00:06:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I'll raise the flag to tech in just a couple minutes if things don't start coming back up automatically.
[00:06:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qingloong19, replying to posix_memalign> Alright 🫡
[00:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xnduiwsimonphung> I was in the middle of a routine editing session when it happened.
[00:07:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to battadia> https://grafana.wikitide.net/d/GtxbP1Xnk/mediawiki
[00:07:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jakeukalane> "Something went wrong"
[00:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <battadia> Neat, thanks!
[00:07:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rakkeyal, replying to battadia> haha hello
[00:08:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <battadia> Fancy seeing you here
[00:09:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <patred> [1/2] oh it's getting better
[00:09:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <patred> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416576478329442334/image.png?ex=68c75927&is=68c607a7&hm=6a6df750ecd6f79b0ec6b45c30fe472d0d0dde4a8cc0f306542a0b86ac1220f2&
[00:09:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Yep, servers are coming back to life.
[00:09:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, unnerving it happened, but god do I love our more resilient self-recovery compared to the old stack
[00:11:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> iNext Wiki is down
[00:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> https://inextandkaylaandrachelverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[00:11:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <miwaco> give it a few minutes
[00:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416577602222690354/IMG_4260.png?ex=68c75a33&is=68c608b3&hm=add81a783be49b16d36c12119b291d5799f5e261427bf40f47be31dbca5dcf48&
[00:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> It shows this on the Wiki
[00:15:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xnduiwsimonphung> I'm also experiencing the same problem.
[00:15:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xnduiwsimonphung> It appears fixed for me.
[00:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> It’s the canonical Wiki not the Fanon Wiki
[00:18:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Looks like a few wikis are still down.
[00:18:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> [1/2] https://inextandkaylaandrachelverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[00:18:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> [2/2] The Canon Wiki with accurate information is done
[00:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Same with https://bluearchive.wiki. They're probably on the same server/database.
[00:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Ummm... Guys?
[00:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Oh
[00:20:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c3trules10, replying to soul_fabric> thats happening to me too
[00:20:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Sigh
[00:21:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tennisplayer4157, replying to posix_memalign> this loads for me
[00:21:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c3trules10> [1/2] this is what battle cats looks like for me
[00:21:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c3trules10> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416579623742996590/image.png?ex=68c75c15&is=68c60a95&hm=b20da3a462ffa44bcb4171372b395a072c1877ca204559a377b99fff092ace09&
[00:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to tennisplayer4157> That is very strange. It worked after I switched to a different browser.
[00:22:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Please look into this.
[00:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tennisplayer4157, replying to c3trules10> it should return to normal in a bit
[00:22:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tennisplayer4157> on my end it still shows the temporarily unavailable screen though
[00:23:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c3trules10, replying to posix_memalign> i tried switch to google it didnt change anything
[00:23:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c3trules10> pretty weird
[00:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qingloong19, replying to qingloong19> Great, mine is back to normal now.
[00:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sefurekt, replying to soul_fabric> the same is happening for me
[00:28:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> I think it has to do with caching. The main page is cached and can be visited, but most pages are not and result in errors.
[00:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [1/2] thats nice
[00:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416585725557735476/image.png?ex=68c761c3&is=68c61043&hm=1e836b7c06fc05f684b0b8ce97abe61cc7ada975fe815b655f967cef199a94ae&
[00:46:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Dgox
[00:46:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> or any user
[00:46:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dgox2> oh
[02:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> iNext and Kayla & Rachel Wiki is back up
[04:42:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mickey96> Question: Are users notified when their edits are moderated.
[04:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <grunt_gaming07> Hallouu
[05:18:48] <BlankEclair>	 mickey96: as in the moderation extension? i think so, but it requires js
[05:19:04] <BlankEclair>	 so i personally have actually never seen it ^^;
[05:21:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to mickey96> no, but they do still get Nth edit notifications so they might get notified if it's their first edit
[05:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> so yeah you'll likely have to do some js shenanigans
[05:25:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> unless you're feeling particularly brave and want to do hooks
[07:00:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked> when do we get ChartsExtension on miraheze :cuteslasher:
[07:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to doggowhoasked> Soon
[07:21:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked, replying to rhinosf1> deltarune soon or silksong soon
[07:29:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to doggowhoasked> how do we tell you this...
[07:33:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Likely next week. Unless someone else does it sooner I have a lot planned for me to get to next week and that is one thing.
[07:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> so grow a garden soon
[08:17:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> huh?
[08:38:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Just curious here, but is it possible to create a page that redirects you when visited directly?
[08:38:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Because imgur has been doing that with linking images directly
[08:46:37] <BlankEclair>	 soul_fabric: wdym?
[08:48:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> If you click on a link to the page, it will redirect you
[08:49:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> But if you visit it from the wiki domain, it won't
[08:49:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> In essence: redirect if the last page the user visited wasn't on the wiki
[08:51:52] <BlankEclair>	 ?
[08:51:54] <BlankEclair>	 redirect to?
[08:52:01] <BlankEclair>	 and redirect from?
[08:54:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> I want to make pages on my wiki that must be manually confirmed to view
[08:54:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Like spoilers, etc
[08:55:53] <BlankEclair>	 on an archivability standpoint, that sounds like hell lol
[08:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> That's fair, admittedly
[08:56:19] <BlankEclair>	 our wiki uses https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Template:Inline_spoiler for brief text, but that obv doesn't scale with whole articles
[08:57:36] <BlankEclair>	 i can't really think of an elegant solution here...
[08:57:49] <BlankEclair>	 reminds me much of the ideas of a full-screen 18+ warning though
[08:58:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> My idea was as follows: (Title page) → redirect → (main wiki page) ← X ← (off-site page)
[08:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> In any case, I'll keep thinking about it
[08:59:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> A page template could do the job in theory
[09:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soul_fabric> Without the need for a redirect
[09:16:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> Oh well Kevin already did what was needed
[09:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> In Kevin we trust
[09:58:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [1/2] anyone know why my election infoboxes have suddenly been moved to the side on mobile? they were fine literally yesterday 😭
[09:58:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416724663601463436/IMG_0073.png?ex=68c7e329&is=68c691a9&hm=17feca53d0130db5527d14fc823d83fabc4a24f93fdd86852a92c131356dfd37&
[09:58:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [1/2] here’s the link if needed 
[09:58:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [2/2] https://concordiancommonwealth.miraheze.org/wiki/1999_So_Peppian_legislative_election#
[10:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [1/2] it’s even worse on this one lol
[10:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_zombi_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416725753055154269/IMG_0074.png?ex=68c7e42d&is=68c692ad&hm=edfb7c8abbb197c6474379a626555acc74234b40a5d5eacea8b2197b953ea8f5&
[11:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whatijstudios> Greetings, I done some research and checked guides and I dont understand how to make a template for a infobox. I barely understand the basics of templates aswell. I want to make a template for infobox (basicly the typical info sidebar) in which info on nations would be placed such as flag, capital, population etc.
[11:16:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> if you use PortableInfobox, there's a tool to make building it easier at Special:InfoboxBuilder
[11:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [[Infoboxes]] describes basics and how to make basic infobox w/ what arawynn mentioned
[11:45:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[13:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> new user page on meta going "please don't ban me" in caps :squint:
[13:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma> [1/3] is there any way to fix the weird space here? the only way i can find is by changing the order but i don't really wanna do that (its this order in every other page)
[13:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416782276171268156/image.png?ex=68c818d1&is=68c6c751&hm=c7d059a869a708f7a2006536895f45eada40fcb003abf5154a6bee573c34ed7a&
[13:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416782276594761748/image.png?ex=68c818d1&is=68c6c751&hm=3fee530b29e8ab84330fe9cb76dce71209d02962f5bceb6fc23211c8884a2b4a&
[13:49:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29, replying to thatonemagma> the separator before ryan?
[13:51:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> should be able to fix the margins or padding using css
[13:57:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> [1/2] the "Driller Council" you mean?
[13:57:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> [2/2] if you made it as `* Driller Council` it's bullet list and p formatting, try manually added dot? it's in special symbols
[13:58:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> @justleafy2003 since you proposed https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Closed_wikis#New_criteria_for_wiki_closure a while back I wanted to let you know that I created https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Changes_to_the_Dormancy_Policy_(5) so feel free to add any proposals you'd like to that
[13:59:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> • is it this one
[14:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to reception123> sounds good, will take a look at it, thank you!
[14:01:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to justleafy2003> Thanks! I'll keep it in draft mode for a while longer then
[14:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I'm suggesting this because I helped with a handful of wiki.gg wikis that are now inactive and have like at least 30-40 pages
[14:02:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> yeah
[14:02:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but are still nonetheless cool to have floating around on the internet forever
[14:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/3] it still doesn't work
[14:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416786886344704110/image.png?ex=68c81d1c&is=68c6cb9c&hm=546ee4f4622c77f33d3989218040d64506db18036e5177efececdcca5235593a&
[14:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonemagma, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1416786886927716403/image.png?ex=68c81d1c&is=68c6cb9c&hm=e1089ad1ed26de13f5416e1299d4175474f02674f17245d60cc54886504793ab&
[14:05:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @reception123 would it be appropriate to leave support/comments on your draft right now?
[14:06:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to justleafy2003> Not votes, those are only for the next phase
[14:06:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> But suggestions for how to improve or make changes sure
[14:06:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I see
[14:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> [1/3] nowiki isn't needed
[14:16:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> [2/3] try to remove line breaks, so it's like in one line
[14:16:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thatonemagma> [3/3] `... Association]]<br>• [[Driller Council]]<br>[[Driller ...`
[18:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> Are there any current known issues with new versions of files not updating on the pages they're used on? I've tried purching the cache on both the file page and the "used on" page, using `?debug=2`, and hard-refreshing. Nothing so far 🤔
[18:33:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> File appears fine on its page, it just doesn't seem to be propagating
[18:34:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to janebuzjane> Might be a delay with thumbnailing or the cache
[18:35:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> thumbnails are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow to update
[18:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> How long since you uploaded the new version?
[18:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> Okay! I'll continue to wait it out 😤 Nothing world-ending if the thumbnail is old. It's been 30 mins and I've never experienced the issue before (it's usually instant), so I thought I'd check just in case.
[18:37:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> But if it's expected that it's sometimes just slow (due to external factors or w/e), that's cool! I know the 1.44 update just happened so I'm always suspicious of software updates when things appear to break 😂
[18:38:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> Thanks!
[18:38:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Being suspicious of software updates is good
[18:39:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You should be suspicious of software in general
[18:40:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> always 😤  I can count on one hand the amount of times a software update has happened and I've been happy about it
[18:43:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> Hi, there are plans to re-enable commentStreams in Miraheze wikis?
[19:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/2] It is already re-enabled, from last CA said:
[19:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1416237076764037130
[19:14:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I know some folks were having issues that were sometimes resolved by a purge, if you're still having issues then a [[phorge]] ticket is probably next step
[19:14:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[19:26:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to janebuzjane> It's apple update day if you're an apple user tomorrow
[20:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to rhinosf1> Thankfully not meeeeee!! I do have an old iPhone somewhere for testing purposes... still languishing on ios 14, I think, the last supported version 😂
[22:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> hi everyone
[22:30:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to salkonic> hiya
[22:34:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> hru
[22:34:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to salkonic> Decent, but tired a bit
[22:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> fair lol
[22:35:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Overwhelmed could be throw in there these days
[22:35:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Walking to avoid things I gotta do
[22:36:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> oh damn
[22:36:38] <BlankEclair>	 relatable
[22:36:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Nice day out
[22:37:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hey Elaina
[22:37:11] <BlankEclair>	 hello :3
[22:37:21] <BlankEclair>	 i should've worn less lol, it's gonna get bloody warm today
[22:37:41] <BlankEclair>	 of course, tomorrow it's gonna rain and be cold again
[22:37:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Thanks Australia
[22:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> 😭
[22:38:43] <BlankEclair>	 i'm trying to decide where to buy cotton pads...
[22:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> just curious, what are the best tips for
[22:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> writing pages
[22:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to salkonic> Depends on
[22:48:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> A lot
[22:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What is the issue you’re having specifically
[22:49:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> formatting and keeping my texts
[22:49:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> neutral
[22:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to salkonic> You mean the stuff you write?
[22:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <salkonic> yeah
[23:00:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to salkonic> For formatting, there’s plenty of resources on mediawiki.org depending on what you need
[23:00:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> For keeping a neutral point of view, things like [[WP:NPOV]] may be a useful reference
[23:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV>