[00:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <serverlessharej> Thread for Miraheze Communities, a new Wikibase on Miraheze to document public Miraheze wikis. https://communities.miraheze.org
[00:19:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> @originalauthority I found the path that VisualEditor takes when stripping unnecessary section tags from Parsoid output <https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/1556475aeec3142f8f7da6c14bf83905dadcd0d6/includes/Rest/Handler/Helper/HtmlOutputRendererHelper.php#L949>
[00:19:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> why sometimes there are wrong items in broken redirects (it says it redirects to redlink but obviously the target page exists)
[00:19:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Perhaps the cache didn't refresh yet?
[00:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> no it's been for months
[00:20:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to kockaadmiralac> ugh thats a bit messed up its calling legacy Parser classes
[00:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> before 1.44 upgrade they show resolved (strike out), even after cache refreshes, but now they just say it's red, not resolved
[00:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> but clicking on the red targets brings you to existing pages
[00:21:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] Maybe I could implement something like this, though:
[00:21:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/1556475aeec3142f8f7da6c14bf83905dadcd0d6/includes/Rest/Handler/Helper/HtmlOutputRendererHelper.php#L803
[00:21:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects (#5 - #8)
[00:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to originalauthority> Homer Simpson meme with Parsoid in the front and legacy parser in the back
[00:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> But yeah that method was mostly what I was thinking of
[00:23:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] but again I don't know if that would work, becasuse when I was stepping through it, the content is actually correct here when we pass it back to Parsoid to display to the user: https://github.com/Universal-Omega/PortableInfobox/blob/e108e0be23a11291c2c4284374d5ae02480a0c1a/includes/Parsoid/PortableInfoboxDOMProcessor.php#L61
[00:23:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] something is happening once the wtPostProcess function is finished that adds those section tags and I'm not sure if we have any control over that
[00:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Hmm
[00:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] it loosk like this function here is responsible https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-services-parsoid/blob/d560d47916a863d39fb22d4a39541d5bde4cfc36/src/Wt2Html/DOM/Processors/RunExtensionProcessors.php#L109
[00:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] but I can't see where the code goes after that lol
[00:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I think it might be passed back to something in core
[00:28:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> maybe here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/services/parsoid/+/d560d47916a863d39fb22d4a39541d5bde4cfc36/src/Wt2Html/DOMProcessorPipeline.php#131
[00:38:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> <https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-services-parsoid/blob/d560d47916a863d39fb22d4a39541d5bde4cfc36/src/Wt2Html/ParserPipelineFactory.php#L217> This seems relevant
[00:39:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> If sections is run after extpp
[00:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Maybe our best bet is checking what WrapSectionsState does and seeing if it avoids processing any particular elements
[01:01:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> <https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-services-parsoid/blob/master/src/Wt2Html/DOM/Processors/WrapSectionsState.php#L304> This part here looks promising but I'd have to test what happens there in a dev environment
[01:02:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Ideally we want all those $node = $node->nextSibling to skip over the entire infobox
[01:20:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> But another side effect of using Parsoid for reads is that all extension tags are gone from the infobox
[01:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> [1/3] And that's kind of a deal breaker for us
[01:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1417319300498325574/Screenshot_20250916_031951_Brave.png?ex=68ca0cf5&is=68c8bb75&hm=ee9d7d9d0fcfb4ba58ed6cab9ed1e9e89357cf447ebe4a7f00b9ebc0826fcb05&
[01:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1417319300967956652/Screenshot_20250916_032045_Brave.png?ex=68ca0cf5&is=68c8bb75&hm=ff4687acfa15b5c51428d7ddb23c89eae8939452f39b1dd8c7d8214c3554025f&
[01:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to kockaadmiralac> ypu mean footnotes/cites?
[01:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Those are extension tags yes
[01:44:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> hi guys
[01:45:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to sguysmw> hi
[01:51:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thorniny, replying to kockaadmiralac> think you might need a bit more citations
[01:51:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thorniny> dont think it's verifiable yet
[02:06:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> My friend showed me one wiki where they had an entire sub page dedicated to citing a characters pronouns
[02:32:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> any idea on this? i really dk
[02:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to kockaadmiralac> they/them
[02:33:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> people were really misgendering kris to that point huh
[02:58:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> hey uh how can i veto my request?
[03:25:33] <BlankEclair>	 sguysmw: wiki request? comment that you don't want it anymore ^^;
[03:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw, replying to BlankEclair> just scrap it for now, and if i find issues with the other site i will let you know and see if you can restore it
[03:45:37] <BlankEclair>	 okay then ^^;
[03:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> thanks
[03:56:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw, replying to BlankEclair> hey again, so uh i found an issue
[03:57:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> i need somewhere to test if the issue is a css thing or if it's just something with the other site
[04:16:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to honoka55> the cache is updated rather infrequently, it tells you when it last was at the top of the page
[04:41:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i know it updates every three days
[04:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> @pskyechology
[04:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> but it's been for about a month
[04:42:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> and the behavior differs after mw 1.44 upgrade
[04:44:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> that is weird
[04:55:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> check this page 10 hours later (the cache will refresh by then) and i'm sure they will remain there
[05:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> renaming the page Cursed Redirects and calling it a day
[07:23:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to kockaadmiralac> Hmm, this doesn't happen for me, references show fine for me in infoboxes on Parsoid
[07:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Well I only tried 1. Maybe there's an issue if there's more than one
[07:28:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to honoka55> Which wiki?
[07:29:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I suggest opening a support thread and pinging @blankeclair
[07:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to originalauthority> Hmm maybe it's a difference between {{#tag:infobox}} and <infobox>
[07:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I'll check
[07:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to rhinosf1> coincidence that i just got out of the shower
[07:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to blankeclair> Evening
[07:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> evenyan ^_^
[08:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> can we have the miraheze communities wiki blue
[08:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to snowfleaf> Do you have a logo in mind on https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Miraheze_Logos ?
[08:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> was kinda thinking like this https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Miraheze_interwiki_administrator.svg
[08:37:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> and then the square brackets could mean interwiki linking :sunglas:
[08:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to snowfleaf> [1/2] I picked the exact same logo when creating [a YouTube channel for Miraheze Guides](https://www.youtube.com/@MirahezeGuide) lol.
[08:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to snowfleaf> [2/2] I recorded about half of the first video a few days ago. Need to overcome my ADHD and finish it.
[08:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> ooo can't wait
[09:12:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <consend> [1/2] Anyone know how to get a file preview like the one Fandom has, or perhaps something similiar?
[09:12:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <consend> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1417437866975428680/image.png?ex=68ca7b62&is=68c929e2&hm=ae74bda6cbaa8b8879e5f44b5bec57195862232a3d0157e19d6f44994d426c57&
[09:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <consend> I tried looking through the extensions page but couldn't seem to find anything.
[09:13:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to consend> MultimediaViewer. It's the same one as Wikipedia.
[09:13:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> multimediaviewer
[09:13:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <consend> Thanks folks.
[13:05:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xiphos0078_28865> Hey guys, is it allowed to show ads on my wiki? Maybe only as a picture integrated somewhere
[13:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <voidinstructions> does anyone know how exactly mobile frontend rearranges the lead section to put leading images and infoboxes below the first paragraph?
[13:22:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to xiphos0078_28865> What type of ad?
[13:22:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Like commercial ads where the site owner earns money or advertisements advertising your own service or game or the wiki’s affiliated theme?
[13:26:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xiphos0078_28865, replying to agentisai> Like commercial ads
[13:27:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xiphos0078_28865> But financing the project, the wiki is about
[13:28:40] <ajhalili2006>	 might be pinged by BlankEclair months ago chilling too long at wikicreators channel (from my bouner's log archives), but I might forgot to leave for far too long
[13:28:50] <ajhalili2006>	 context: <BlankEclair> ajhalili2006: been chilling here for who knows how long now T_T
[13:33:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to xiphos0078_28865> Commercial ads from services like AdSense and such are prohibited due to their privacy invasive nature.
[13:34:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> No commercial advertisements where you earn money are allowed on Miraheze as the service provides you with free service to begin with
[13:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xiphos0078_28865> Okay, I understand. Thanks a lot
[13:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <enews, replying to xiphos0078_28865> You are allowed to solicit donations for expenses last i remember
[13:43:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xiphos0078_28865, replying to enews> I also thought this. Maybe it’s a option
[15:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Yes, donations are allowed but it should be made clear that the donations aren't being made _to Miraheze_ and what their purpose is
[15:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Wikis aren't allowed to be for a commercial purpose
[15:14:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Advertising to finance the wider project via the displaying of ads is considered a commercial activity by us
[15:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Yeah, not the wider purpose, only donations for the actual wiki like for example if you have a custom domain
[15:17:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Public TestWiki allowed donations for that though I don't think anyone did ever donate
[15:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to reception123> I think I did
[15:58:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Did NDK ever acknowledge it?
[15:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I know for the first few years I paid half for the domain
[16:26:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie> How would one go about integrating a conlang script into a wiki?
[16:49:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <magcargoo> [1/2] Hello! I created a wiki a bit ago and was wondering if there was any way to assign someone the groups on the left
[16:49:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <magcargoo> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1417553058463748228/IMG_2497.png?ex=68cae6aa&is=68c9952a&hm=977c5820e0b168db443fa2c956c45177f81438ea2d25da498cc4c7fef07c7746&
[18:21:56] <Guest64>	 =D
[18:23:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> would be interesting
[18:24:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> were you thinking sitelen pona by any chance?
[18:26:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can upload custom font but don't expect full lang support like w/ others
[18:44:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> it has to be freely licensed though
[20:00:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie, replying to sguysmw> nah a custom one
[20:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sguysmw> oh
[21:55:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realadelie> how do i make my wordmark logo right next to my icon? and at the same height?
[22:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> what does it look like now?