[01:18:37] if I delete a file on my wiki, does it start using a file from a different repository the wiki has with the same name if it exists? [01:19:24] wikimedia commons probably [01:22:45] we also have a shared repository with another miraheze wiki which is the one I'm more curious about [01:22:53] I assume it works, I mostly just wanted to double check [01:27:56] oh huh. not sure about something like that [01:28:54] ok yeah it worked [01:29:32] wikimedia commons would have worked the same way though, it's just another shared repository [10:08:01] [1/2] The poet's magical story miraheze wiki is here. Please click it be carefully. [10:08:01] [2/2] https://poetsmagicalstory.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [12:51:15] How to have a good mobile UI? [12:55:15] use Fandom [12:55:18] https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842 [13:12:55] [1/2] Huh [13:12:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430906839343697990/image0.jpg?ex=68fb7b57&is=68fa29d7&hm=bd3727857478cdbd7986fb96325c1fb69977e71db192a74161ba8d3632884c26& [13:13:22] [1/2] HUH [13:13:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430906950756864102/image0.jpg?ex=68fb7b72&is=68fa29f2&hm=7e7379b8c9171b76e8723df8357846716d8be9009b701626bc5b23ed26775c66& [13:33:57] wot [13:39:01] citizen's good [13:39:17] or minerva [13:40:00] The closed wiki page apparently is being transcluded onto SR RfRW [13:40:02] Twice [13:42:23] needs a bit of digging then [13:44:37] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Requests_for_reopening_wikis?diff=497246&oldid=497242 [13:44:37] Probably not too much [13:45:27] If someone wants to clean that up and leave a note for the user I’ll give a sticker, else I can look later [13:55:47] [1/2] hit by devastating news, but admin duties are still there [13:55:48] [2/2] strangely enough, miraheze now opened for me w/o any problems or additional means, just for documenting it [14:38:47] <90gq29> yo how does [LinkSuggest](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LinkSuggest) work? i saw a wiki using it but didnt notice anything different when trying to link stuff in the source editor, and VE already has a suggestion thing built in afaik [14:43:37] u do [[blablabla and there will be an autocomplete thing [14:43:43] CodeMirror supports autocompletion for links when wgCodeMirrorV6 is enabled (which is experimental and breaks some other stuff) [14:43:51] Not sure about LinkSuggest [14:44:07] [1/2] (example) [14:44:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430929790361145475/image.png?ex=68fb90b7&is=68fa3f37&hm=9ba6807ca810551002e14fdacd5a1dbdc82a6ef755c4cf3552f389b1e2f977bc& [14:44:24] I'd expect LinkSuggest to work similarly [14:44:40] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> oh nice [14:44:45] <90gq29> will just stick to this then [14:48:38] LinkSuggest conflicts with syntax highlighting, so you'd need to turn it off first. [14:49:41] how 2 have a horrible mobile experience [15:25:07] Who is that wiki name? [15:27:52] That's the meta wiki [15:28:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze [15:28:40] When Poet's Magical Story miraheze wiki is here [15:29:18] You can add it yourself IIRC [15:33:27] How do I use a font that is not available on Google Fonts? [15:34:04] upload font file (should not be pirated), set it in Common.css [15:34:43] i suggest uploading to somewhere else [15:35:15] especially when it's split into multiple files and may change frequently [15:36:30] i believe nobody would like to maintain such changes within mediawiki's file upload system: https://github.com/PGW-MH/font-host/commit/2c845a0c0b13069a0681e3151db9887c3ce6b3d3 [15:36:43] ??? [15:38:47] [1/2] easier to maintain this way [15:38:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430943544599908363/image.png?ex=68fb9d86&is=68fa4c06&hm=0ea105fc68d5bde1f15517b22a5cba4de14474e2b68b0ff4381b74ef1d319e48& [15:43:42] I think I can maintain a single file without github just fine 🥲 [15:43:54] a single file is good [16:02:09] everyone were uploading fonts on wiki just fine [16:02:16] don't confuse people [16:03:38] Switch topic to shitting on Fandom [16:23:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430954728883224698/image.png?ex=68fba7f1&is=68fa5671&hm=633a87e90b6d60635e150f6df4005882e8ee328feb89016730e4d0638b4b2665& [16:23:53] [1/4] Does anyone know how to change tab stylization? [16:23:53] [2/4] I'm using the above extension for tabs and I can't find documentation on changing background or text color. [16:23:54] [3/4] If it's not possible, would swapping to tabberneue allow stylization? [16:23:54] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430954897242853516/image.png?ex=68fba819&is=68fa5699&hm=7a8ef8c7ea56acb5b310d93ad5f4703df16a05e93cf21126c10a30dd1ff8056c& [16:24:04] <90gq29, replying to playgaming> css [16:24:41] <90gq29> you can stylize both that and tabberneue [16:24:57] What kind of css commands would I use for it? I can't seem to find much. [16:25:44] <90gq29> if you just want to have contrast between the button and text, just change background-color to black or smth [16:25:56] i'd use tabberneue anyway, as it is actually maintained [16:27:32] Would that apply changes to the hover and selected colors? [16:29:10] <90gq29, replying to playgaming> havent used the tabs extension but i assume theyre two different things you need to change [16:29:51] <90gq29> you can try changing it and see if thats the case, or use inspect element and check [16:30:07] cjk fonts are usually several megabytes [16:30:30] including all glyphs in a font makes the wiki lag [16:30:47] i think latin fonts are alright [16:31:33] I saw somewhere that wikis with nsfw content could take longer than 1-3 days to be approved, is this true? my wiki is coming up on 3 days of waiting at the moment, and it would be useful to know if its nature could effect the rough estimate of how long it will take [16:32:01] [1/3] 🐸 [16:32:01] [2/3] I'm upset I didn't think of that earlier [16:32:01] [3/3] I'll try inspect and see what I can change, thanks you two for the help [16:32:19] [1/2] Example CSS: https://stellasora.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tabber.css [16:32:20] [2/2] Example page: https://stellasora.miraheze.org/wiki/Amber [16:33:21] I would not write CSS like that btw. CSS nesting is fairly new and not supported on browsers more than 2 years old. [16:34:04] never heard of that but if ai can't review right away request is handed to human reviewers, and that usually might take days due to volunteer nature of Miaheze [16:34:46] okay [16:35:22] excuse my anxiety, I know these things take time [16:36:40] Using would also work for stylization? [16:37:27] Those are different. You'd need to figure out the HTML tags/classes used by the extension [17:22:37] what do i need to do make visual editor work on my wiki? i've turned on the extension and the pages show both "edit" and "edit source", but when i click on "edit" it just adds ``?veaction=edit`` to the link but nothing happens, it's just the page itself [17:25:03] [1/3] anything i need to enable in here to make it work or sth? [17:25:03] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430970287721025546/OnPaste.20251023-192413.png?ex=68fbb66e&is=68fa64ee&hm=5e5e3682bd0ef4a1a5722ccc409d4d598d7cb402dd091901fc6eeeaf1cd6e8e9& [17:25:03] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430970288228667596/OnPaste.20251023-192438.png?ex=68fbb66e&is=68fa64ee&hm=12e539d73bc5c43775e2e8adb417c97a91f50d8763954edc9fba2729ba5f1555& [17:31:31] Can somone please clarify if WikiForge still offers paid wikis? I'm pouring through the MH history page, and I can't see this question answered. [17:31:54] On visiting the WikiForge site, most of the links are non-working, which suggests to me it is no longer running? Or is it? [17:33:56] hey plum! [17:34:25] last time i heard wikiforge has zero ties w/ anyone associated w/ wikitide or miraheze [17:34:38] Hiya Legroom! 🙂 Nice to "see" you again! [17:34:56] Gotcha... so, is there a paid service anymore? [17:35:08] Associated with MH in any way, shape, or form? [17:35:22] Or are we back to MH-only, and donations? [17:35:34] It's quite hard to tell from the history page, lol. [17:35:44] miraheze = wikitide, and yeah just donations [17:35:53] Gotcha. Thanks! [17:36:03] as whether wikiforge is still a functional thing idk [17:36:13] And how is MH performance and uptime these days? [17:36:17] maybe someone of lead bunch knows [17:36:27] oh muuuuuuch better [17:36:33] in the org there's an active repo for WikiGrid now which I assume is a different project [17:36:52] could someone help before this completely disappears off recent messages [17:36:53] Well that's a positive. [17:37:07] could you share a link to your wiki? [17:37:11] I just let my monthly donations run and hoped everything ironed itself out, lol. [17:37:30] I was about to ask the same thing. [17:37:32] it's a private one but yeah https://escsimulations.miraheze.org [17:38:20] [1/2] hm, it happens for me too and I get this error [17:38:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430973631223038042/image.png?ex=68fbb98b&is=68fa680b&hm=68b7e10e217a7b0c70084827d9693bad177819cf3d6123b64acfb7a306232d6a& [17:38:41] hmm i mean it's not crucial but it could make some stuff easier if it works [17:38:43] try appending `&debug=2` after `?veaction=edit` [17:38:48] this fixes it for me [17:38:57] looks like a caching issue if you enabled it recently [17:39:12] ohh that does work [17:39:15] (`&debug=2` bypasses the cache for JS) [17:39:23] yeah i just did like 20 mins ago or so [17:39:40] I was gonna say, can't tell because the permissions won't allow me to test edit even logged in, lol. [17:40:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430974194123935975/Screenshot_2025-10-23_at_10.40.15_AM.png?ex=68fbba12&is=68fa6892&hm=09b2e984db593046b6c900acb907d111a02c7f2901ebde8492d61603e84d70fe& [17:40:40] Me thinks the permissions are a little funky [17:40:50] alright the debug thing works for now haha thanks [17:40:52] Or perhaps private community still. [17:41:37] it's just a private wiki for myself and i mainly use source editing but yeah was just gonna check if visual editing makes some specific stuff in tables easier [17:41:50] but i think source editing is better all in all [17:41:53] I've purged the Cloudflare cache for your wiki so it should probably work without debug=2 now [17:42:03] oh thanks! [17:42:12] Source is better for getting to know wikitext intimately, though if you're gonna need complex tables, VE is also nice for that at times. [17:42:21] it's working now indeed [17:42:56] [1/2] This is also a nice sometimes compromise: [17:42:56] [2/2] https://www.tablesgenerator.com/mediawiki_tables [17:43:04] But you always need to strip the formtting it adds. [17:43:28] [1/2] yeah i was thinking of using it for one like this haha [17:43:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1430974924100599808/OnPaste.20251023-194305.png?ex=68fbbac0&is=68fa6940&hm=307b4cf29be621f0fc007018bffcce667a562f1ce23022b8cd78bb69c4f99ea5& [17:43:39] We got a lot from formatted json, excel, etc, to mw table, and VE and that editor both allow direct copy/paste from spreadsheet format. [17:43:44] could be easier to fill in with the numbers than in coe [17:44:35] Yeah, can copy/paste data from excel or google sheets into VE or the table generator. [17:44:41] Not so much for wikitext [17:44:57] So, just depends on your use and what you need. [17:45:04] oh this might be useful in the future! will bookmark it [17:45:32] I just keep a test page bookmarked to edit in VE, and when I need to copy/paste from a spreadsheet, I can use VE. [17:45:55] Then switch to source, and go grab my source, integrate it into the larger page. [17:46:17] (We've got some large and ugly/complex tables) [17:47:15] oh yep that might be a good practice, i haven't really started filling those big tables yet haha, just created an empty template for now and thinking of what's gonna be the most convenient for filling in later [17:47:47] you can't color cells (like the grayed out ones in the screenshot above) in visual editor though right? [17:48:04] Not without a template. [17:48:13] (We create templates for stuffs like that) [17:48:26] Most of our tables now are auto-generated (Cargo) but for those oddballs that need manual editing... [17:48:28] oh would that be complicated? [17:49:21] jeez that's a lot of cells. you could also just use JSON directly and parse it with Lua [17:50:20] haha yeah it's for a detailed country-by-country points breakdown [17:50:22] https://tenor.com/view/cell-perfect-cell-hello-greeting-caption-gif-4904407315920936322 [17:50:23] It all depends on your template experience and stuff. [17:51:02] i'm kinda learning how to use miraheze, only got this wiki a month ago and have been building it since so yeah [17:51:04] There's so many ways to skin the same ah, cat, so to speak (no cats harmed in the making of this comment, lol) [17:51:59] i'll think about it but i think the mediawiki table generator you've linked might help for future reference! [17:52:25] Just keep in mind it adds extra, unwanted formatting... so there's that. Always gotta select and clean the formatting. [17:52:36] (From the menu) [17:53:09] VE is cleaner imo [17:54:02] hmm actually yeah ve might work well too indeed, i'll see how it goes in practice [17:56:57] I think you'd need to provide an example and help on how they might do this, as they've indicated they're new to MW. [17:59:13] Only bc Lua is a bit mysterious 🪄 to folks that don't know LUA (or MW intimately enough to know how to put that into practice). [17:59:34] Or even if there's a simple example somewhere, that could help too. [18:04:36] to be honest i don't know what neither json nor lua are, haha [18:04:59] That's okay, we all begin in the same place. 🙂 [18:05:20] i have only been using excel for spreadsheets, although the data for these ones i don't have anywhere i can copy it from [18:09:29] [1/29] Lua could be used a couple of ways; I'm not sure exactly how they get the information they need. You could have JSON like ```json [18:09:29] [2/29] { [18:09:29] [3/29] "song": "Cupid's Girl", [18:09:30] [4/29] "country": "gb", [18:09:30] [5/29] "voted-by": [ [18:09:30] [6/29] "us", [18:09:31] [7/29] "it", [18:09:31] [8/29] "de" [18:09:31] [9/29] ] [18:09:32] [10/29] } [18:09:32] [11/29] ``` [18:09:32] [12/29] each row could have something like this, then you'd use Lua to load that JSON page and turn it into a table. You could also use CSV format if that's easier [18:09:32] [13/29] Another possible way of doing it is to instead use templates, for example``` [18:09:33] [14/29] {| [18:09:33] [15/29] {{#invoke:JuryVote|header}} [18:09:34] [16/29] ... [18:09:34] [17/29] {{#invoke:JuryVote|line|country=gb|song=Cupid's Girl|voted-by=us,it,de}} [18:09:35] [18/29] |} [18:09:35] [19/29] ``` [18:09:36] [20/29] Another way is to export an Excel spreadsheet into CSV format, so then you could have something like ``` [18:09:36] [21/29] Song,Jury,dk,lt,... [18:09:37] [22/29] ... [18:09:37] [23/29] gb:Cupid's Girl,... [18:09:38] [24/29] ``` [18:09:38] [25/29] And either use that as a data page, or you could even put the csv data on the page directly like ``` [18:09:39] [26/29] {{#invoke:JuryVote|list| [18:09:39] [27/29] Song,Jury,... [18:09:40] [28/29] }}``` [18:09:40] [29/29] I can't really give a proper example because Lua is so incredibly versatile and gives you a lot of options [18:12:06] oh wow okay thanks a lot! i'll save that for when i'll get to working on filling the tables and get back here if i'll need help 🙏 [18:13:27] when it comes to Lua the harder part is deciding how you want to represent your data; actually coding the module is usually a lot easier [18:34:22] Is there a way to globally activate Advanced Settings in mobile? [18:35:52] yeah, I find there's a general lack of simple, example-driven, noob-friendly and mw-specific lua stuff. [18:36:53] The lua tuts are for standalone lua, the MW lua references sort of assume a programming-level of familiarity with MW functions. [18:37:35] Most of them are almost largely theoretical, little in the way of practical, hands-on stuffs. [18:38:19]