[00:38:53] [1/2] Besides that I've found that ThemeToggle loads it's stylesheet independently off ResourceLoader, sometimes loading those stylesheets slower. If you have a gadget with dark mode CSS in addition to ThemeToggle CSS, the site might render wonkily when the ThemeToggle CSS fails to load (which sometimes happens). I'm planning to move the DarkMode CSS on VLW to a [00:38:53] [2/2] gadget because of this reason. [00:46:47] I've been thinking of making an extension that loads global CSS/JS independently of ResourceLoader so that they will appear in the initial payload and be render-blocking. Since OA is taking care of the commenting extension I might revive this idea at some point. [01:01:01] Thinking about it, this prolly wouldn't be a problem if ThemeToggle had made it so the `body.theme-dark` is only toggled after the Theme:Dark CSS has finished loading. [01:04:04] Loading the theme CSS lazily works for wikis with multiple themes with heavy CSS, but is overkill for wikis with only Light/Dark theme. And I'd wager most people prefer DarkMode, so no reason it shouldn't be loaded on page load. [01:08:21] This definitely sounds like a good alternative to counter the issue of the Light Mode flashbang that gadgets suffer. [01:38:53] Fwiw this is how Fandom deals with FandomDesktop [01:39:35] They send a request to the API on page load from the which seems to eliminate all their issues with different styles etc [02:10:30] i just found out Special:UncategorizedFiles exists [04:42:11] You might want to make a #support thread and possibly link your wiki [06:25:16] quick question, are infobox panels supported on miraheze? Like multiple tabs I can click through on one header bar, similar to the gallery tabs? [06:32:20] [1/2] They are supported (most things you can think of can be supported through javascript), but you will likely need to figure out how to do it. Here's an example: [06:32:21] [2/2] https://communities.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/sandbox?oldid=17118 [06:32:53] [1/3] Probably an overkill for your use case, though. [06:32:53] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435517208020123669/image.png?ex=690c4115&is=690aef95&hm=7ad585b47e11855024c73607ff260ec30736720887d438be4d35ee77e3e38ed6& [06:32:54] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435517208464982078/image.png?ex=690c4115&is=690aef95&hm=bc88c86f4a603ee39b817d49af0e32d99456af375f87f85960c401797dc54dd1& [06:34:43] Portable infobox also supports tabbed informational panes. [06:35:59] [1/2] An example from a wiki I maintain: [06:35:59] [2/2] https://farthestfrontier.wiki/wiki/Template:Infobox_Building2_Portable [06:36:47] It can get pretty out there and support a LOT of tabs, but I suspect most use cases won't go that far [06:36:48] sweet, that's a relief thank you!! I must have been mistyping something on my last attempt lol [06:37:13] I only need two but this looks very versatile yessss [09:50:09] @Stewards please lock https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Noeruchan_vs_Tenshi_Hinanawi [09:53:05] (sorry, this should be in #cvt instead) [11:06:37] Already requested that in cvt 😉 [11:26:35] [1/2] I believe I enabled VisualEditor on my wiki but it does not seem to work [11:26:35] [2/2] https://striseofthealliance.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [11:42:14] ve does take a while to work [12:56:31] edit buttons showing up are cached for some reason so take your normal measures [12:56:53] shoutout to `?debug=2`, has to be one of my favourite genders [15:20:19] Could you move the button icons out of the mediawiki folder? Each MW update I have to change my css files because the icons increment with the mw version number [15:22:15] what icons [15:22:32] maybe replace them w/ your own files? [16:06:16] We can't move them, but is there no other way to achieve that? This feels like something that should have a parser function tbh [16:28:03] I don't like bloating the file list but that's probably the only option [16:31:08] [1/10] So, i don't understand dpl but I made this and it works: [16:31:08] [2/10] ```{{#dpl: [16:31:08] [3/10] |category = {{{1}}} [16:31:08] [4/10] |category = {{{2}}} [16:31:09] [5/10] |include = {Thumb}:image [16:31:09] [6/10] |ordermethod = title [16:31:09] [7/10] |format = ,«div style="margin: 0.2em; margin-left: 0; padding: 4px; width: 20em; max-width: 165px;"»[[Image:,|150px|link=%PAGE%]][[%PAGE%|%PAGE%]]«/div» [16:31:10] [8/10] }} [16:31:10] [9/10] ``` [16:31:10] [10/10] How do I include another parameter fromt {Thumb} and put it into format [16:33:18] it's an image gallery and I want it to have [[%PAGE%|]] [16:34:02] And no, I have no idea why whatever I've made works [17:00:59] what are the icons? [17:04:10] I remember there being some caching issues during the MW upgrade where some pages are still referencing inexistent 1.43 icons. I ignored it back then. Should've reported it. Maybe in the next upgrade. [17:05:10] [1/2] background-image: url(/1.44/skins/Timeless/resources/images/pencil-source-grey.svg?f5d23 [17:05:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435676328102858864/icons.png?ex=690cd546&is=690b83c6&hm=16343ff2cf1e86ff43a8b5fd911b3282dda3a5e239f6088d1c6547f7f104eaf9& [17:05:29] Hmmm. It seems that vector icons are loaded through `load.php`, which bypasses this issue. [17:05:53] [1/2] Something like https://strinova.org/w/load.php?modules=skins.vector.icons&image=unStar&format=original&lang=en&skin=vector-2022&version=4jini [17:05:54] [2/2] Not sure if it works for Timeless though [17:08:55] you can use magic word `{{STYLEPATH}}` to generate (currently) `/1.44/skins` [17:09:16] and it'd update itself when mw is upgraded [17:33:40] oh wait css [17:36:29] [1/2] unluckily magic words don't work directly on pages with css content model [17:36:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435684208088715356/image.png?ex=690cdc9c&is=690b8b1c&hm=dad8a7244932bb15163a656eb347ee6abf1c80883e65c188150b7edc6c1952a5& [18:36:06] @posix_memalign would it be ok if i made a category for IRWA wikis on communitieswiki [18:40:18] i don't see a reason to make that [18:40:48] the irwa site already shows the wikis that succesfully joined it [18:41:17] Is people being globally banned on fandom a good reason to ban them from your wiki? [18:41:23] I think it's valid [18:41:29] Also are users allowed alts? [18:41:42] it depends on what they were banned for [18:42:01] I think it was vandalism but not 100% sure, it’s the Ethan David Miller guy [18:42:09] He put his full name as his user [18:42:14] I need to specify [18:42:14] Alts are allowed as long as they're not being used for vandalism, block evasion, or other bad things [18:42:21] No [18:42:48] As long as it's not been used to mislead people [18:43:44] Twice [18:48:25] [[UAP]] [18:48:26]

[18:49:04] Thank you [19:34:34] Seems fine. I don't have any reasons to support or oppose, but if you think it'll be useful then feel free to add it. [19:44:09] just found out monaco has an paypal thing [19:50:31] What [19:51:33] https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Monaco [19:53:21] wonder if miraheze can automatically make it redirect to their paypal [20:21:08] i was once recommended to keep all icons on single file, in css you'd use positioning to target icons for each case [21:25:57] ok 👍🏻 [21:30:48] [1/2] does linux change fonts in browser's too? [21:30:48] [2/2] cus im looking at my wiki and something is off [22:04:32] [1/3] Is there anything known to prevent suggestions from popping up when typing out a template or file/link name? [22:04:32] [2/3] I don't seem to get suggestions anymore when I type `{{-insert template name here-` or `[[-insert File: or link name here-` [22:04:33] [3/3] Is it caused by an extension I may have accidentally turned off or what? I swear I got auto-fill suggestions before for these. [22:08:39] this is a function in CodeMirror v6 [22:09:01] you should be able to toggle it with the gear icon in the top right of the source editor [22:11:49] [1/2] This menu here? [22:11:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435753495528603840/image.png?ex=690d1d24&is=690bcba4&hm=580df8d53b133bb41d8ea028ed8a64a66d1dbed94624b78cbe0fce3a22a23898& [22:12:13] yeah, try disabling enable autocompletion [22:13:49] Doesn't seem to make any difference from what I can tell. [22:14:53] hmm I'm on mobile so I can't check things [22:15:01] did you reload the editor after [22:16:54] Just did, made no difference [22:17:01] I think it depends on the browser [22:21:06] Could it be a conflict with the extension "CodeEditor"? [22:21:49] CodeEditor shouldn't affect regular wikitext pages [22:22:10] if it doesn't work you might have to wait for someone else to give you an answer [22:23:32] yeah well that was my thought too ... except it's vanilla firefox, both on win10 and kubuntu [22:24:01] There could be a difference in how Linux and Windows render things for your display [22:24:17] Although I'm not too sure [22:24:40] Mine looks fine on W11 and Linux Lite OS [22:24:53] [1/2] id like a confirmation really [22:24:53] [2/2] meta wiki appears to be normal tho [22:32:39] LinkSuggset doesn't work with syntax highlighting, if that's what you are using. [22:34:23] [1/2] Shot? Really? [22:34:24] [2/2] What a weird limitation [22:34:30] It'll depend on what fonts are available locally on your computer. If your `font-family` specifies something not available on the OS, it'll use a fallback font which may look weird. [22:34:47] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T300618 [22:35:48] Just use CodeMirror 6's autocompletion. In MW 1.45 you don't even have to press `Shift + Enter` to get autocompletion. [22:36:18] See https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki/1.44#Code_mirror [22:37:54] How do I contact the person running https://hereus.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:HyliaBot i just want to ask them about the software they are using [22:40:45] i guess their user talk page on meta wiki is the way [22:40:56] if you can't edit on that wiki [22:41:21] [1/3] Oh! [22:41:21] [2/3] I didn't know about the `Shift + Enter` thing! [22:41:21] [3/3] So disable LinkSuggest and keep CodeMirror on? [22:41:27] Can't be sure who the operator is, but presumably go with the user who granted the bot rights to the account, [[User:Beeie]] (https://hereus.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?logid=5048) [22:41:27]

[22:44:00] im blind [22:44:40] [1/2] Hm. I seem to have only noticed that the transition to MW 1.44 a few months ago made our wiki's MobileFrontend extension stop using Mobile.css, breaking the CSS on mobile view as our Common.css was not designed with mobile in mind. Anyone know what might cause that/how to fix it? [22:44:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435761765785800866/image.png?ex=690d24d8&is=690bd358&hm=9bb7a8394b6b4c9d2086a669dd2536aced6e59bf6b71888efcdc3ba6cb3c43a0& [22:46:19] No need to disable LinkSuggest. I'll just stay disabled if you have syntax highlighting on. [22:46:32] @beeie meow! What software are you using for the bot? [22:46:35] i struggle to remember what is default font of timeless, is there an easy way to check? not trusting element inspector here [22:46:59] oh God [22:47:21] I recall asking a while ago if I was allowed to do this – is it still allowed? I can stop if needed [22:47:30] Oh. Did I do something wrong? [22:47:50] No i think it’s good. I want to run something like that for my conlang. [22:47:56] ɔ [22:48:15] I'm using a combination of a bunch of templates on the wiki + a Python script to conjugate the verbs / decline adjectives [22:48:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435762774931407000/image.png?ex=690d25c8&is=690bd448&hm=e7ac34bff3773936d0591bb6da3136de3c184958db2eff343352775206da44b4& [22:48:54] each page creation has a 2 second delay as to not abuse connections [22:49:16] [1/3] I do have Syntax Highlighting on as I'm Dyslexic and the colours make everything much, much easier to read. [22:49:17] [2/3] Hitting `Shift + Enter` with `Enable autocompletion` on works, it's just not automatic like I would want it to be. [22:49:17] [3/3] Is there a way to make it automatic? [22:51:17] [1/2] I assume you can dig through the source code, but an easier way is just inspect oddly-formatted characters and see which fonts the browser is using (bottom right of image) [22:51:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435763430136086792/image.png?ex=690d2664&is=690bd4e4&hm=2341abf0adb7c18569b5594d03fdd9b8e038b7086fb97f0c2834c28658267831& [22:52:47] For reference, on the machine I'm currently using zh-Hans is rendered with PingFang SC while Japanese is rendered with Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProN. The one with unspecified language is Hiragino Sans. English text is Helvetica. [22:53:35] Eh, seems fine from a policy standpoint to me, assuming the wiki has actual information and writing in it besides the mass of bot created pages [22:54:00] Declaring the bot operator on it's [global] userpage is always good practice though [22:54:18] yeah it has information on a bunch of different languages and there's some worldbuilding articles on there as well so it's not 100% bot made [22:54:23] o? [22:54:27] Either wait for MediaWiki 1.45 to arrive at Miraheze or write some javascript yourself to do it. I think someone else has written a script but I forgot who. [22:54:36] how do I do that? [22:54:45] declaring bot operator I mean [22:55:08] If you find the JS let me know, I have 0 experience with Java Script ;-; [22:56:07] Could just write a little notice on the userpage (https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagnaBot), or could go dead simple and use the template (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Notadev) [22:56:28] Global userpages are created on login.miraheze.org and are used anywhere a local userpage does not exist [22:57:18] Literally putting `{{Bot|Beeie}}` on the login page should be fine [22:57:41] (Though I do think the login template should be changed a bit, but that doesnt change this) [23:22:30] Use Minerva.css instead, assuming your mobile skin is Minerva Neue [23:33:56] okee I'll do that [23:33:57] ty [23:36:27] [1/2] seems like the site doesn't want me to [23:36:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1435774796008001686/image.png?ex=690d30fa&is=690bdf7a&hm=1e15d0adb5548a8c23980670b100006a190d6d663cf10175bb2f8cc4e4b42cb0& [23:36:45] wait I could just log in to the account manualy [23:38:27] done