[00:00:55] [1/2] Info on specifically impacted extensions/features is here: [00:00:55] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1399059949262340207 [00:00:55] yeah. for example, Discord. as opposed to an asynchronous communication method like email or tickets where real-time responses aren't expected by the parties involved [00:01:28] oh so a weird way to say you wanted to ask us lol [00:01:29] Oh, I mean, yes, we do offer some support via #general and #support , though complicated tech stuff still requires tickets [00:02:18] er, [[phorge]] [00:02:18]

[00:02:32] note, categories on [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile]] need to be updated [00:02:32]

[00:03:06] we do still offer socialprofile, it's just missing that feature [00:03:19] oh derp [00:03:54] yeah vs. asking in a ticket later after i had done more prep work [00:04:25] completely fair [00:10:06] Unfortunately [00:29:54] this typo is funny to me [00:30:39] i mean [00:30:41] true [00:31:20] we love our transcosmics [00:46:30] [1/3] Hi there. [00:46:30] [2/3] Um. Is there a problem displaying Wikimedia images on Miraheze, because I'm checking my articles only to find out that they have these displays telling me that it doesn't exist on my wiki. [00:46:31] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1469856885258715229/image.png?ex=69892e66&is=6987dce6&hm=304dff4a9aa3b5de7d2cd5695bd5b6d057780d2d9b12be0717f5bf8021175680& [00:46:42] [1/2] or they're just not showing at all. [00:46:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1469856935099760680/image.png?ex=69892e71&is=6987dcf1&hm=ac3325c5086b0ea28ad2a8dd8187538038d893fca3c9f981b656ec832db2ef46& [00:47:02] Tech is aware of the problem 🙁 [00:47:37] so I don't have to do anything, right? [00:48:13] just wait for the problem to pass? [00:48:25] What even is that problem anyway @ucronista_ [00:56:31] I think they mentioned it, but I can't find the comment. This task is related to the problem. There is a connection failure between Miraheze and Wikimedia. From what I understand, it seems to be on their end. https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T14793 [00:57:30] And it seems that they are conducting tests because I saw that they removed something related to QuickInstantCommons. [00:58:14] Yep. I'll leave it to tech to go into details, but it's suspected there's some fault in QuickInstantCommons that's been behind the redlinked images [00:58:35] CA's been working behind the scenes to try to remove that dependency, but yeah, things are very redlinky right now [00:59:01] Yeah I apologize for that. We are still looking into this. [02:04:51] I see. [02:12:50] Speaking of which, would an announcement about this be a good idea? [02:14:07] [1/6] 🌱 Hey everyone, just wanted to share some cool stuff I’ve been using! [02:14:07] [2/6] 🍃 I’ve installed Ecosia—it’s a search engine like Google, but every search helps plant trees around the world. Even small searches add up to real impact (works on mobile or PC) [02:14:08] [3/6] 🌊 I’m also using OceanHero, another search engine that turns your searches into ocean cleanup efforts, collecting plastic from oceans while you browse (mobile or PC) [02:14:08] [4/6] 💻 On my PC, I’ve got Charity Engine running—it’s software that uses your computer’s idle power to support charities and scientific research. Basically, your PC helps good causes even when you’re not using it [02:14:08] [5/6] 🧬 And Folding@Home lets my PC donate processing power to study diseases like cancer, Alzheimer’s, and viruses, helping researchers make real progress [02:14:09] [6/6] It’s kind of amazing how small actions like searches or letting your computer run in the background can actually make a difference 🌿 Thought I’d share in case anyone wants to try it too! [02:14:09] @lurch0348 Too many emojis. [02:14:16] and yes this ai message [02:14:23] too lazy to type [02:14:37] this is not the place for that [02:49:07] A new RfC is open for votes [04:26:55] [1/2] how do the foundation have taxes when it's a non profit? [04:26:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1469912349333917799/B195C553-C8B2-4570-901C-A3B4BB8CD0A6.png?ex=6989620d&is=6988108d&hm=60108a86f144a92e4f1a28b74afd8397441ae5236b8dd5fbf2a4e900151bb170& [04:26:57] it makes no sense [04:29:58] @notaracham can correct me, but tax exemption would only apply to sales tax, and not all services also accept tax exemptions or have some lengthy process you have to go through [04:30:44] For some reason, when I open up an InPrivate tab (I use Firefox) to access my wiki, it shows the Vector 2022 theme instead of Vector 2010 like I set it to default to. [04:31:07] Do I just need to wait for the wiki to correct this? [04:31:09] purging oughta fix it [04:31:27] but yes, it is due to caching and waiting will resolve it [04:31:31] shouldn't take more than a day [04:31:55] Instructions unclear, I accidentally purged my computer's hard drive. [04:32:17] But in all seriousness, I assumed I just had to wait since the CSS customization takes a few minutes to update. [04:32:37] supported it, hopefully it'll get posted in #minor-announcements [04:38:31] @Discord Administrators . Could you make an announcment ping? [04:40:33] We are exempt from most forms of federal taxes on revenue generated from fundraising. Sales tax exemptions for nonprofits vary by state and locality, and are (in most cases) something one needs to apply for. [04:42:21] [1/2] I see, I was confused because I thought the foundation was "fully exempt" from all taxes [04:42:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1469916239320187013/371A987C-D244-4082-B607-A6F2B65FF575.png?ex=698965ad&is=6988142d&hm=86759794e4b4d7cf9edca71487c8c52b0c6051d0ff28ab0f5f84d208cf276380& [04:42:30] Not how it works in the US, sadly. [04:42:36] State and federal governments are seperate so it's not the case. [04:43:06] In our state of registration, Idaho, we're not eligible for sales tax exemption because we're not one of the 50 organizations the state legislature has permitted to be exempt. [04:43:22] ouch [04:43:46] Yeah sadly it doesnt work quite the way you may expect. [04:44:17] There's some categories of revenue that would be taxed, too. Interest income generally isn't taxable, but depending on how merch sales got classified we might need to pay taxes on it. [04:44:28] rip 885 bucks for taxes then [04:47:25] It doesnt need one right now. We may be able to consider it eventually here but for the moment it really doesn't meet criteria where an announcement would be all that beneficial for it. [04:48:34] I'm a bit confused by the language. The title suggests it would be a prohibition of fair use on all MH wikis, but the text suggests that it's scoped to exclusively commons. [04:49:36] If it's intended as the former (all official projects), I would be obligated to vote against it. [04:52:55] [1/3] Yep, good rule to know: [04:52:56] [2/3] Changes in personal preferences/personal custom css >> near instant [04:52:56] [3/3] Changes to local wiki CSS/defaults >> give it a few minutes to filter down [04:56:12] [1/2] It's a valid RfC. How does it not meet the criteria? [04:56:12] [2/2] I ask for community input. [04:57:46] Not every single RfC needs an announcement when input can be given from seeing on-wiki among other places. [05:01:15] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1260019919643344897/1372577020617298051 [05:01:39] That was just as valid as this one [05:02:06] Or are you biased against it? [05:02:20] ping [05:02:22] anyone here? [05:02:58] Maybe [05:03:09] hey pix [05:03:14] man I'm bored [05:04:00] any idea of what to do? [05:04:07] Also, how do I change the color of external links through CSS? [05:04:18] oh an answer I can actually give! [05:04:20] ok gimme a hot sec [05:04:32] [1/2] Not going to take a side on the RfC yet but I will note thag the current text in the announcement guidelines states `Impactful open RfCs [05:04:32] [2/2] `. Could be argued that impactful means globally [05:04:54] so external links like outside websites? [05:04:59] not in your wiki [05:05:28] Presumably the ones with the little outbox icoj [05:05:31] Yes. [05:05:51] No, if you feel my decision against it is bias I will leave the decision to another administrator. My personal decision is that this does not need an announcement, as of yet at least. [05:05:55] I believe I've got the links to inside the wiki sorted out, but for some reason external links use different colors. [05:06:08] yeah that's tricky [05:06:17] also what's cosmic talking about? [05:06:19] And this is why I shouldn’t answer questions when I’ve been awake since 5AM the previous day [05:07:01] https://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/browser/index.php?display=%23miraheze [05:07:09] What in your opinion would make the RfC meet the criteria? [05:07:24] When it has a larger scope. [05:07:31] External links are given a specific class Crystalite13 [05:07:54] currently the language of the RfC can't even decide if it's for all official projects or commons specifically [05:07:59] @rgamesofficial open up dev tools and inspect one of the external links [05:08:19] Look for something looking like class=“externallinks” [05:08:21] They're of the class "extiw". [05:08:25] This is impacting all Miraheze wikis, and you think that it isn't global? [05:08:58] How so? Then the RfC is totally confusing. It reads as if it only applies to commons. [05:09:23] That is made clear in the first part of the RfC [05:09:33] This is not made clear at all. [05:09:49] I also take issue with the fact administration of the other official projects were not consulted at all [05:10:35] i would move for the RfC to be sent back to drafting for more polishing [05:10:40] ^ [05:11:35] [1/2] ```This RfC (first published on Miraheze Commons) is made to formalise the exclusion of copyrighted images, video's and other media on Miraheze Commons and/or other (future) oficial Miraheze wikis that provide images for upload, to be used on other wikis [05:11:35] [2/2] ``` [05:12:28] [1/8] and the actual proposal is [05:12:28] [2/8] ``` [05:12:29] [3/8] Miraheze Commons only accepts files available for unrestricted reuse [05:12:29] [4/8] This Request for Comments seeks to formalise the following: [05:12:29] [5/8] # Miraheze Commons only hosts media either in the public domain or licensed under a Creative Commons licence permitting reuse. [05:12:30] [6/8] # Miraheze Commons does not host Non-free copyrighted material, including anything claimed as fair use. [05:12:30] [7/8] # The only exception are copyrighted files specifically made for Miraheze, that are not meant to be used outside official Miraheze wikis. [05:12:30] [8/8] ``` [05:12:39] Yes that makes it very clear it is not globally applicable, it directly contradicts itself whether its only Miraheze Commons or all (only future, not current?) official wikis, and is worded in a confusing way. [05:13:12] In this RfC I limit my usage to Miraheze Commons, as it is our current file repository, but that might change in the future, so in the case another wiki takes over the function from Miraheze Commons, that wiki will be meant as well. [05:13:17] I agree with this [05:13:48] Reading seems to be a problem for you [05:14:06] Excuse me? [05:14:08] Your behavior needs to stop. [05:14:28] don't blame someone if misunderstandings happen [05:14:36] this isn't appropriate, imo [05:15:28] Sorry. But I am pissed. But indeed, that was not in line [05:16:18] I clearly state that Commons has the function now, but any future changes would be meant included [05:17:13] you seem to imply that there would be a successor to commons? why would this RfC also not target other official projects such as dev and ptw [05:17:44] i am [05:17:46] so confused [05:17:48] Because I do not know what Wiki would take over the function for centralised uploads [05:18:04] don't we have commons [05:18:32] Thatts why I write: `on Miraheze Commons and/or other (future) oficial Miraheze wikis` [05:18:35] personal opinion but i think you should detailed say what part of his behavior should be stopped, "Your behavior needs to stop." may be too vague and won't help them fully realize the problem [05:18:36] [1/2] Different people approach reading things differently. Even if makes sense for you, it’s hard to come to a consensus on a decision when most people who may involve themselves in the discussion aren’t on the same page on what the discussion actually is. I think the idea of sending back into a draft state so everyone can iron out the wording to something that’s clear to everyone would [05:18:36] [2/2] be ideal. [05:18:39] its my own wiki and im ont aware of any extensions that would cause it [05:18:40] They want to close that [05:18:50] close what exactly? [05:18:56] its when the page loads in, it flashes white [05:19:02] Fair enough I suppose. [05:19:16] Ro was replying to your message of don’t we have commons [05:19:28] oh [05:19:32] wait why [05:20:06] I think that instead of targeting Commons and any possible successors, you should target all official projects. Which would require being sent back to drafting. [05:20:30] just giving some feedback on what you can improve, been mod in others servers before so [05:20:35] I'm gonna read the RFC [05:20:37] I personally think it’d make most sense to just [05:20:43] have multiple proposals [05:20:50] on Miraheze Commons and/or other (future) oficial Miraheze wikis [05:21:50] Different people would support different parts, I would be amenable to a discussion on removing from Commons but can’t see myself supporting on Dev for example [05:22:21] Would make most sense to roll that into one RfC, so we can figure out what to do on all projects with one discussion call [05:22:26] add context, please. removing what? [05:22:37] <18.748.837.46> Is the staff aware of the issue with images from Wikimedia Commons? [05:22:40] Apologies [05:22:44] yes [05:22:49] <18.748.837.46, replying to pskyechology> alright [05:22:54] Hello... sorry. But I am not talking about CLOSURE of the wiki, but Copyright and Fair Use! [05:23:07] *volunteers, there isn't technically any staff/paid staff here lol [05:23:08] let pix specify, please [05:23:18] <18.748.837.46, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> yall know what I mean lol [05:23:24] ye ik lol [05:23:25] volunteers, staff, all the same [05:23:48] I had meant removal of the use of fair use. My wording was poor, I am not speaking on the topic of closing Commons [05:24:19] [1/2] +1 on a narrowly scoped, commons-focused RfC regarding fair use licensing without trying to peg categorization of any future-state official project. [05:24:19] [2/2] I think that's what Ro was originally going for, but the ambiguity on potentially applying to existing projects or new, non-commons type projects is the sticking point [05:25:05] Message updated [05:28:29] [1/4] Point is. If I limit my RfC to Commons alone, the RfC would not stick, because everyone is going for closure of Commons. So it would be useless. [05:28:30] [2/4] What I am going for is that no Miraheze Wiki should host copyrighted images (Not even for Fair Use) if they can be transcluded on other non-official wikis. [05:28:30] [3/4] That's what I though was made perfectly clear, by mentioning: [05:28:30] [4/4] on Miraheze Commons and oficial Miraheze wikis including possible future ones. [05:29:41] If Commons were actually closed it is very unlikely another official wiki is later launched to do the exact same thing in current form. [05:30:11] Meta or dev could take over in limited form [05:30:23] so yes, that could very well be [05:31:23] [1/2] `no Miraheze Wiki should host copyrighted images (Not even for Fair Use) if they can be transcluded on other non-official wikis.` [05:31:23] [2/2] ^ This I would not support in any form and would fight tooth and nail. There are too many edge cases that are not worth chasing, and from a technical perspective ANY wiki can attempt to transclude files from any other public wiki. [05:32:27] Than you do not understand what I am stating [05:32:51] That is the exact reason, why I state that we should not host copyrighted material [05:33:05] If that can be transcluded onto other wikis [05:33:40] But you do not make this clear whatsoever in the RfC. [05:34:00] The problem, specifically, is the clarity of language and potential for misuse if approved as-is [05:35:26] If 8 people in this chat are all coming to different interpretations, there is a problem. [05:35:39] As such, files hosted on Miraheze Commons must be either in the public domain or licensed under a Creative Commons licence permitting reuse. Claims of fair use do not apply to files hosted on Miraheze Commons, and copyrighted material relying on fair-use justification must be excluded. [05:36:23] This conversation is not really getting anywhere, and we are kinda going around in circles. I think everyone involved should take a step back and stop. Put the RfC back into draft and continue working on it there. [05:37:30] [1/2] This is a community right? [05:37:30] [2/2] In stead of shooting everything down, give suggestions how to word it better. [05:37:50] Thats what drafting stage is for. [05:37:59] Please do not continue this conversation right now. [05:38:03] It was in draft. No one responds [05:38:27] But Rather we open a RfC to close Commons all together. [05:38:31] Great community [05:38:44] its not open. [05:39:10] Correct, I rephrase [05:42:26] Now I need to update the links that are a part of the class "external text"... [06:20:12] hi guys [06:20:19] its crystalite13 discord edition [06:20:22] the bird guy [06:20:54] Hello [07:11:14] hi guyssss [07:22:59] 237 messages... [08:05:39] expect having unread messages for large community servers [08:05:45] there is almost no point in reading all of them [08:05:53]