[01:49:11] Hey guys. How do I see the total number of pages on a wiki? [01:49:20] @Assistant Stewards [01:49:55] This will be your one and only warning: do not ping random roles without good reason. [01:50:03] sorry [01:50:04] Special:Statistics [01:50:34] I've read this but how do I get there? I tried adding it to the url but didnt work [01:50:48] search bar on your wiki oughta take you there [01:50:55] the URL format would be wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics [01:51:47] thank youu [01:57:34] [1/3] hello, question here [01:57:34] [2/3] I just noticed that when i open my wiki in my phone it kind switches to a mobile skin, effectively losing all the css i have in anisa.css [01:57:35] [3/3] does anyone have a tip on what to do in this situations? [01:59:50] either have the mobile view use the same skin (should be a MobileFrontend setting) or, and this will very likely not work, load your CSS in common.css isntead [02:07:56] -# just asking out of pure curiosity, whats the link for your wiki? remember to #verify to do so [02:18:51] unless you really know what you're doing with css i dont recommend using anisa on mobile [02:19:34] should i create toggle the mobile.css specific to handle this? [02:23:32] if you're attempting to use anisa on mobile then yeah either mobile.css or screen width media rules just in anisa.css (ex. `@media (max-width: 640px) {`) to target mobile devices [02:40:55] hello hello [02:42:15] the wiki i'm bureaucrat for was suspended and it says i should have recieved an email that i never got [02:42:50] does anyone know what this email is supposed to say? [02:47:42] There was no manual email sent for that closure, notice was delivered via your User Talk page (to all bureaucrats on that wiki) [02:49:30] You should have gotten an email of the message on wiki though [02:49:40] + on wiki notification [02:50:01] well we've got a webhook in our server and thats how we figured out [02:50:14] does "we wish you well in finding a new home" mean this cannot be appealed at all [02:51:56] Not inherently. If you would like, you may send an appeal to the core Steward team through their email list. [02:53:17] I added that as a formality/politeness, not as absolute finality [02:53:55] okay, thank you [02:54:01] Course [02:54:12] i saw the report said something about how our wiki was anarchy, is it because we have no like [02:54:14] official rules page? [02:56:25] anyone can make pages for anything, theres no guidelines for that [02:57:30] An official rule page isn't a requirement, but a bare minimum standard for content, and maintaining for lack of a better word, 'decorum', more so. [02:57:32] and you do have to follow the rules in our own discord server on the wiki, its not like you can just say whatever you want [02:59:04] and there was a ticket before about our wiki for enabling iframes and i assume it was fine then [02:59:17] I'd suggesting collecting and sending an appeal via the email I linked, I'd rather not get too deep into discussing the specific case here, and will be heading off soon regardless. [02:59:27] makes sense [02:59:38] thank you [03:00:07] I will say though that the wiki's main page is probably the best example of the issues that led us to closure. [03:02:36] Cheers. [03:05:22] is it allowed to only have specific people be the editors of a wiki instead of being able to be edited by anyone? i'm sorry i'm very new to all of this [03:05:38] That's fine [03:05:46] thank you :-) [03:06:01] You can do so by removing the edit right from `*` and `user`, and granting to sysop and confirmed [03:06:13] Then using Special:UserRights to grant confirmed [03:06:15] where can I find this email list? [03:06:47] stewards@miraheze.org [03:07:11] Linked(well the address is there not a link) at the end of my notice [03:07:30] That sends to all current [[Stewards]] [03:07:31]

[03:07:41] right [03:07:43] (excluding me, Assistant Stewards are not on that email) [03:07:44] thank you again [03:07:58] Have y'all ever get the feeling of forgetting what to write mid-sentence? [03:07:59] Sure thing [03:08:57] Ah well, I'll probably remember it later, or forget about it entirely... [03:09:09] mood [03:10:48] Whats the difference between loading a css and js file from mw namespace in lets say common.css [03:10:54] [1/2] Oh right! [03:10:55] [2/2] Yeah I also keep my wiki locked for just me and my other bureaucrat to edit on it. [05:15:35] [1/3] Hi, this is my first time using miraheze/mediawiki and I was wondering how I reach this page for my wiki? I tried adding it to the url but I could not work out how. [05:15:35] [2/3] Thanks in advance [05:15:35] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481158625333481512/image.png?ex=69b24bf6&is=69b0fa76&hm=2ff9df5114d3c694a29218696b18d96fa302f269921310d19d9bb347864404de& [05:20:26] [1/2] so i don't have edit perms for this (or the talk page), but i noticed that on login wiki at least, the category description for [User zh-Hant-TW]() is wrong. It should be "Taiwan" instead of "Hong Kong", as evident by the "TW". Hong Kong has its own category under "HK". wasn't sure where to ask about this, so i'm just droppin [05:20:26] [2/2] g it here. [05:21:05] same for all the subcategory descriptions [05:48:25] not surprised given the editor [05:49:56] all fixed c: [06:03:35] thank you! [06:06:56] [1/2] is anyone experienced with maps . because i cannot fix this 😭 [06:06:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481171549485793373/image.png?ex=69b25800&is=69b10680&hm=e6352b63f599e9e26490a4fc1eb2a7265d1ef3726b65226997754252f160bc28& [06:10:06] WAIT I THINK I GOT IT [06:10:12] [1/2] > [06:10:12] [2/2] Oof. 😭 [06:10:19] ITS OK I FIXED IT [06:15:05] 👍🏻 [09:51:01] [1/2] the hell [09:51:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481227940799713290/image.png?ex=69b28c84&is=69b13b04&hm=980440b03e254f49d515053e661735b8da057868c2ff11ca3ffedef4d6e28d6a& [09:51:06] im having the same issue as well [09:51:40] [1/2] what the fart [09:51:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481228105010909295/image.png?ex=69b28cac&is=69b13b2c&hm=6cb1bd596a4b6938ba5d0e0af7299bd606b577ee2eaecfad9d5c0b306f421322& [10:18:36] the fart [12:40:16] would you say the same thing about the timeless skin? i can switch to it if it works better both desktop/mobile [12:54:45] timeless mobile does not work [12:57:13] how come? [13:07:26] no support for it [13:07:41] youll need good knowledge in css to make it functional [13:08:30] Ive got a wiki using timeless, i set the mobile skin to citizen [13:08:54] didnt know that was possible, so is citizen appropriate enough for mobile then? [13:15:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481279325117349918/IMG_2231.png?ex=69b2bc5f&is=69b16adf&hm=d91c097b3257e8ff31c818417365865ef6bd909c4022b6a57ca4660080af055a& [13:16:08] @Discord Moderators [13:16:28] kaboom [13:23:31] citizen works well on mobile [15:17:24] You tell us :thumbs: [15:18:22] Citizen is by far the most modern skin imo, makes it feel less like the traditional wiki [15:26:15] [1/3] Hi everyone, [15:26:15] [2/3] I'm working on a small business idea and looking to connect with one solid person who's about building long term. Not hype, not selling, not asking for money just conversation first to see if we align. [15:26:16] [3/3] If we are on the same timing, we can talk............ [15:49:04] it looks modernslop [15:49:21] like every modern website design ever [15:58:27] Yeah, and the average user loves it :) [16:00:45] so good if you love eating XSS for breakfast! [16:18:01] I can't clear the cookie banner on Citizen mobile 😩 raauuurjrhfhth css [16:21:45] by user do you mean reader [16:22:23] cause man i sure love seeing my computer load wikis at a very slow pace [16:43:56] The average _user_ doesn't care about sub-sec loading either :thumbs: [16:48:23] nah, if you've ever seen a weird gloop wiki it's like magic [16:49:17] Matter of fact, I have! It's the perks of funding + low amount of wikis to maintain! [16:49:26] Also, immense skill in the team [16:49:43] but that's a combination of many things, not just the skin [16:50:07] in fact I'm not even sure if the skin plays much of a part [16:50:34] [1/3] It definitely looks like a lot at first glance! MediaWiki UI handles so much raw user input that escaping bugs are pretty common. [16:50:35] [2/3] As Citizen has grown, we've been lucky to get help from security researchers affiliated with Miraheze (<3 to @blankeclair and @abaddriverlol). They've vastly improved our security practices, we're way more careful about XSS in interface messages now (I didn't even know about uselang=x-xss before!). [16:50:35] [3/3] Our policy is simply to fix vulnerabilities within a couple of days and disclose them transparently. [16:50:43] In the end, the point stands, average users don't really care about load times or if it looks like "slop", they look at it and think "this looks professional" [16:53:45] [1/2] Skins do play some part in the loading speed since it is responsible for the final output. [16:53:45] [2/2] However, WG has a lot of optimization in place in many layers to get the site load as fast as possible. The biggest difference is that most of their pages are cached in Cloudflare, and they are almost always in cache because of the popularity of the page (cache doesn't go stale), and how they invalidate cache (reduce cache miss). [16:55:11] -# `uselang=x-xss` is a thing? woah, pretty cool information [16:55:16] idk if I'm too far into the wiki editing rabbit hole but like come on https://balatrowiki.org/ is incredible, you press a link and the content's just there, not that Miraheze Citizen performance is bad but there's not even time to blink on WG [16:55:53] Yeah I think it was @blankeclair that hammered that into my brain 😂 [16:57:14] honestly you should make the performance settings a feature that can be enabled globally via preferences, my horrible PC can't handle all that animation that is rendering lol [16:57:25] the pay cloudflare workers to win strat [16:57:29] It is enabled by default on loading [16:57:57] is it [16:58:30] oh, don't you know the strat? https://developers.cloudflare.com/changelog/post/2026-03-10-br-crawl-endpoint/ [16:58:49] Yes. We also have a GPU check for the performance option as well. If there are no discrete GPU, performance mode is default on [16:59:23] nah I already promised WMF security I would drop them a nice 300m requests for security testing 😊 /j [16:59:47] Cloudflare _will_ block your scrapers, but theirs... [17:00:30] ||I'm joking btw, it self-identifies as a bot|| [17:00:33] I think it might be the local styles that don't respect the performance mode and animation-ready tags [17:04:14] If you enable any preference once, it should persist on the same wiki. We did not use the user preferences in MediaWiki because that does not work on anon. [17:07:35] It is. We have to make Citizen as unopinated as possible to make it easier to customize for wiki admins, since that's what wikis are all about. [17:10:41] Opinions are fine, as long it can be attributed and sourced properly. [17:15:05] If I remember it correctly, they get Cloudflare Workers to hit their page regularly so that real anon users always get the whole page served directly from Cloudflare [17:15:56] sounds expensive and I don't think our non-profit gives us that much free stuff unfortunately [17:16:04] it is super impressively fast though [17:16:18] setting a reminder to yoink cook's wallet if I ever see him [17:16:51] You can probably achieve something similar enough with proper cache setup on both Cloudflare and MW [17:18:20] caching probably could use a ton of tuning yeah, unfortunately I only have my own tiny little head [17:18:27] AFAIK Miraheze does not have HTML edge cache running [17:18:35] That makes the biggest difference [17:23:10] For example, on the WeirdGloop wikis, you can see that the HTML is cached in Cloudflare and served from there if you are anon. We do that in Star Citizen Wiki too so pages that are cached loads much quicker. [17:29:18] skye when are you going to do cloudflare forced labour [17:29:38] you need to import and kill some wikis first [17:29:45] you will be the singular cloudflare worker [17:29:57] I've got some procrastination to get done first, which I'll do later [17:30:10] no hurry :3 [17:41:49] [1/2] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/21/ [17:41:49] [2/2] do i need to create an account here to ask for the "cargo" extension in my wiki? i tried logging with my miraheze account but it says account doesnt exist [17:43:04] you can request cargo at [[SR/RC]] [17:43:05]

[18:25:46] [1/2] Is there an extension that makes images viewed like this but then for the Vector 2010 skin? MultimediaViewer doesn’t seem to work for this skin [18:25:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1481357480507474071/IMG_3898.png?ex=69b30529&is=69b1b3a9&hm=f425cf8b19d16fdd6f44947055b07c7571f45bebb7f17c1c2a18a0ac068b93cd& [18:26:48] on apple silicon does it count the iGPU as discrete because most of the time it's pretty capable [18:27:55] We do a [WebGL check](https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/blob/main/resources/skins.citizen.scripts/performance.js) on the first time you load the site ever. I think Apple Silcon are counted [18:28:11] I see [18:28:12] I am a very heavy citizen user lol [18:28:16] to the point that I made it the default for WO lol [18:29:31] The performance mode was implemented so that wikis can selectively disable heavy styles to help with the performance [18:41:22] We can probably cache `action=raw&ctype=text/javascript` requests on Cloudflare as a start since wikis love using them for loading JavaScript and they always hit origin with 304 Not Modified. [18:42:23] im subjecting fischwiki to untold horrors of bashing my head into it until it caches (without compromising user data) [18:42:43] that's a very good point though [18:43:53] If they use gadgets to load js it would be cached better, but gadgets are slightly more troublesome to use. [18:49:09] i might've beat my head so hard cloudflare decided to die on me [18:52:41] haha sharp spike in downdetector as well what joy [18:53:07] sowwy everyone [18:58:10] Added the doc to make it more clear: https://starcitizentools.github.io/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/customization/performance-mode [19:06:39] haha what did u do [19:07:02] make fisch main page load twice as fast as meta [19:07:11] hi alistair is it possible to use citizens variables to make it greyscale, i couldn't figure it out [19:07:46] you are about 2 weeks away from becoming CEO of miraheze [19:07:53] if that's the one that started using claude then I'm curious to what extent claude is being used [19:07:58] if that's already answered I missed it [19:08:28] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1006789349498699827/1481017187840819415 [19:08:38] jane miraheze [19:09:11] What do you mean? [19:09:31] dont tell anyone that i only meant the html itself [19:09:49] images are still nasty [19:09:53] always will be [19:12:19] HEY GUYS!!! ... [19:13:08] [1/2] It is, I switch almost all of the development work to Claude to align with work mainly. [19:13:09] [2/2] At the moment, it is being used as an assistant to supplement development. The process is started manually, and every step requires manual input and review [19:13:53] That's also why the CI and tests are being upgraded to catch regressions. [19:17:10] the initial impression and appearance was essentially citizen being vibe coded now so that is a useful explainer to have [19:20:27] Yeah it does look that way with Claude as co-author in the commit. I know some devs hide that specifically but I think transparency is important [19:27:12] I can't in good conscience continue using or supporting anyone to use the modern versions of Citizen then, any use of LLMs in this way is unethical, it contributes even more to the wasting of vital resources, and contributes even more to the rising cost of technology and parts required for anything from consumers and small businesses, to even larger businesses. [19:34:56] I'm really sorry to see you go but I totally respect your decision. Thank you for your previous contributions to Citizen! [19:42:50] I'm fine with using AI to code, just don't vibe coding aka not reviewing [19:42:59] happy to be back to wiki editing! hooray :3 just got my new wiki approved now to remember how to add templates 😭 [19:50:05] Claude can be only used for small coding, not fully vibe coding a proper project like Google Antigravity [20:01:20] 😬 [20:03:23] idk if this is something that goes in support but ive been trying to google and havent found anything so if anyone can remind me pls lmk ❤️ [20:04:19] You can add templates by creating a page in the Template namespace, such as `mywiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Test` [20:04:37] Would create a template named "Test" [20:08:14] Can also check out [20:09:06] And MH Dev Wiki has templates which are available for import as well: [20:09:48]